Posting WSO's for non-registered members?

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Just a quick question about WSO's rules and the following section of the rules in particular...

All WSO's Must Be Something You Created. A Product Of Your Own. (A package of ebooks someone threw together is not considered a product and will be deleted) This is completely self explanatory and not up for debate. If you yourself did not create the product do not post it here.
But is there an exception to the rule?...

What I was wondering was, would it be possible to post a WSO on behalf of someone else - i.e. someone who has a product, but are not aware (or part of the warrior forum)

Example: Somebody has an offer that Warriors would appreciate, but that somebody was previously unaware of the warrior forum - would someone who is a member of the warrior forum be permitted to simply act as an in-betweener and put up a WSO offering that somebody's offer on behalf of them?

Anyone done this before? Could this be the exception to the rule?

Thanks in advance.
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  • Profile picture of the author LegitIncomes
    Why not just have that person register?
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  • Profile picture of the author xxdksxx
    I think the easy thing to do would be to have that person register and put the product up themselves. Other wise you wouldn't be able to answer questions that may be asked about the product as well as the creator.
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  • Profile picture of the author williamrs
    I don't think it's possible, as it's clearly stated, "If you yourself did not create the product do not post it here".

    However, you may want to contact a moderator to be 100% sure:

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  • Profile picture of the author kindsvater
    Why not have them join and post? Or become a joint owner for your own WSO?
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      This is completely self explanatory and not up for debate. If you yourself did not create the product do not post it here.
      How could that be any more clear than it is?

      I know some people partner up to create a product and run a WSO. But if you are forming a "JV" just so you can run a WSO for someone else - that would violate the rule as I understand it.

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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        It could be interpreted in a few ways
        Only if you are tryng to find a way around the rule.
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  • Profile picture of the author JackTheLad
    @williamrs - thanks.

    Yeah it seems to be fairly direct, but It could be interpreted in a few ways. I think it's mainly saying - don't get a bunch of plr articles, or resale rights stuff and try and sell it off as 'your own' new product. What I'm proposing would be quite different to that.
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  • Profile picture of the author JackTheLad
    Hey @kindsvater, I've never heard of a joint owner WSO - would you be able to explain?
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  • Profile picture of the author JackTheLad
    Thanks Kay, I agree that if you simply read those two lines without the (A package of ebooks someone threw together is not considered a product and will be deleted) part of the rule it seems fairly clear.

    I just thought I'd see, I like to keep everything above board!
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  • Profile picture of the author Wolfster
    I believe if you got together with someone who has an original product and contributed something significant to the product yourself, and then assuming you are both in agreement that you will then sell the end result as a WSO, you would be in compliance ... I think.

    Wouldn't hurt to check.

    However, if all you are doing is selling someone else's product, without having added anything significant to it yourself, even if you have that other creator's permission to do so, you would be in violation ... I think.

    Either way, you should probably check with the warriorforum powers that be ...
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  • Profile picture of the author Kecia
    It seems the best way to do it would be to inform the person about the Warrior Forum so they can sign up and become active here. Then they could launch a WSO if they wanted.
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    I don't think it's a good idea unless you are a contributor to the WSO - an equal partner. You might run that by the help desk before trying it.
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  • Profile picture of the author WillR
    The rule is fairly clear and I think it is also to stop people doing this type of thing as well. There is no problem partnering up with someone if you have both put an equal amount of work and/or resources into creating the product - several people do this.

    But if you simply plan on being the 'face' of the product then I think the rule you originally stated would apply. It is not your product so you should not be selling it. This can cause issues for buyers when they want support/refunds, etc and they have to go through a middle man (you) to get it.

    If this sort of thing was allowed then people would just start approaching product owners and setting up deals where they get a cut for each sale and then posting those products under their name on the Warrior Forum. No one wants this to happen.

    You are, in a very round about way, just acting as an affiliate for the product which is not allowed on the forum.
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  • Profile picture of the author mikemcmillan
    I've seen a number of people run WSOs for products they didn't contribute an iota to and have complained to Mods about it. There are rules for reasons but some people think they are above them. They aren't.

    When someone runs a WSO for someone else, they are, in essence acting as an affiliate for that person. If affiliate offers became the norm here (they are not allowed), the Forum would degenerate into nothing but ads for fluff and foam Clickbank offers overnight. I don't think anyone needs or wants that. --Mike
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  • Profile picture of the author MatthewNeer
    There's actually an ingenious way to do this...

    I first learned about this with Tim Atkinson in Commission Overload. What he did was take Daniel Tans SEO Pressor plugin and he built a brand new launch around it (SEO Mentor) and I believe he launched it as a WSO (not sure, so don't quote me on that one) and then he sent tons of traffic to it, with Daniel's permission of course.

    When it came time to launch toe product, Tim pitched it as SEO Prossor and just by passed the CB sales page and took it straight to the order form so it appeared as if it was his product to none the wiser.

    People really loved the course and Tim did a great job delivering the new content and coined it as a "JV Launch".

    I believe this can be done as a WSO and has been done before. But not 100% sure.

    Either way, this mos def has potential and can probably get approved as a WSO if you partner with that person none the less.

    Your thoughts?
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      To answer the original question: No. You can't. They should sign up and sell it on their own. That doesn't mwean you can't help them. Just don't sell it under your account here.

      The rest... Be very, very careful. We have closed more than a few WSOs where someone was selling a product that was mostly or wholly created by someone else. Including one recently in which the person whose account was used to post the WSO had contributed significant bonus material.

      We've had too many problems with these sorts of arrangements in the past, and they've been increasing as more people try them without asking. Or even reading the rules.

      That doesn't mean you can't partner with other members. We've had plenty of examples of that in which the seller was an equal partner in the creation of the product, and both parties promoted it. No problems there.

      Being creative is good. Confusing creativity with breaking the rules is not.


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  • Profile picture of the author JackTheLad
    Thanks Paul, and everyone else who's added to the discussion.
    So to make things clear, the answer is "No".

    Maybe this rule needs to be slightly modified to avoid confusion in the future?
    Something along the lines of...

    All WSO's Must Be Something You Created. A Product Of Your Own. (A package of ebooks someone threw together is not considered a product and will be deleted). You are neither permitted to post a WSO nor recommend a product on behalf of a non-registered user within the WSO section. This is completely self explanatory and not up for debate. If you yourself did not create the product do not post it here.

    It's by no means perfect, but maybe it could be updated?
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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
    Jack,

    What's unclear about "All WSO's Must Be Something You Created?"


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    • Profile picture of the author blackjack
      Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

      Jack,

      What's unclear about "All WSO's Must Be Something You Created?"


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      I'll throw in something. What does it really mean "Must be something you created" ???

      So I can go over to Fiverr and asked someone to write an ebook on SEO and then I offer this as WSO. Is that something I created ?

      I have seen people sell graphic stuff which he/she didn't create but got some designer to do. So where do you draw the line ?


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      • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
        Blackjack,

        Excellent question. Seriously. That's one place where the rules and policy aren't as clear as they might be.

        Thank you.

        If you designed the product and had it created to your specifications, that's the same as having built the thing yourself, for purposes of the WSO section. For that to apply, it must have been built specifically and exclusively for you.

        Not a rework of someone else's product. Not "I bought the exclusive rights after someone else had been selling it." Not "I have exclusive rights to sell it in the Warrior Forum."

        It has to have been built specifically and exclusively for you.

        Keep in mind that all of these decisions are based around the idea of what a WSO is supposed to be. It's about Warriors offering special deals to other members of the group. The practice of that has strayed somewhat from the original concept, but that's still the guiding principle.

        There will always be shadings that require judgment calls, but those are the rare minority of situations. Most of the time, it's pretty clear what fits and what doesn't, once the offer is looked at closely.


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  • Profile picture of the author JackTheLad
    It just seems to me that if you wanted to, you could claim that a WSO i.e. is simply the 'post' and that in fact anyone can create their own 'post' which simply recommends someone else's product?

    Ok, I think I'm reading into to this too much now
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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
    Jack,

    Yeah. I think you're well into word-chopping range now.

    The 'O' stands for offer. The product you're giving in exchange for whatever price you're asking.


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  • Profile picture of the author JackTheLad
    @Paul, completely agree! I think I need to get some sleep
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