Do You Really Know Who You are Doing Business With Here?

13 years ago

Martin,

Given the context, I can understand why someone
would want to hide their real identity.

However, you are right... it's very easy to set up an
"entity" here on the forum. It's virtually impossible to
be sure of anyone's real identity unless you've met
them in person offline.

For example I can confirm that Robert Puddy does
indeed have a face for radio. ;-)

John

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Robert Puddy 13 years ago

Originally Posted by John Taylor

Martin,

For example I can confirm that Robert Puddy does
indeed have a face for radio. ;-)

John

As apposed to a face for Tv like John...full of static lines and blurry features

When john was a baby he was so ugly he woke up to find a blind man reading his face
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Andyhenry

13 years ago

It's hard to know who someone is even when they're stood right in front of you - online you have no chance.

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blueorca17 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Andyhenry

It's hard to know who someone is even when they're stood right in front of you - online you have no chance.

Very powerful statement.
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Buildingfutures

13 years ago

I'm just a poor Nigerian boy, with a rich uncle who died and I need to get his millions out of the country so that my cousins who are evil warlords won't spend it all to acquire blood diamonds. I just need help, please.

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John Taylor

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Buildingfutures

I'm just a poor Nigerian boy, with a rich uncle who died and I need to get his millions out of the country so that my cousins who are evil warlords won't spend it all to acquire blood diamonds. I just need help, please.

Send $10k to my PayPal account and I'll help you. :p

John

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Richard Van

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Martin Luxton

A picture, a name and a sig file is all you need to become anybody you want to be on the Warrior Forum

...Says the man with no face, from the North Pole.

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Buildingfutures

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Richard Van

...Says the man with no face, from the North Pole.

Hey, just because he's Santa doesn't mean that he's fictional!!

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ExRat

13 years ago

Hi John,

For example I can confirm that Robert Puddy does
indeed have a face for radio. ;-)

I second that.

I even got turned down for radio because of my face. The sound engineers didn't want to have to look at it.

So I work alone, on the internet, with no mirrors. I once saw my own reflection in the monitor and had to take a few days off.

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Paul Myers

13 years ago

Funny you should mention this now.

I just had to explain to someone whose offer had been closed why it's suspicious when someone posts "Just ordered" and then follows up later with a killer testimonial when both posts are from the same IP as the seller.

In that case, both user accounts had avatars of buxom women with European features. The IP addresses were all from India.

Paul

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John Taylor 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Paul Myers

avatars of buxom women with European features.

Now, there's an idea for a WSO... "Avatars of buxom women" for
scammers. (Or other blokes) ;-)

John
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Andyhenry

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Paul Myers

Funny you should mention this now.

I just had to explain to someone whose offer had been closed why it's suspicious when someone posts "Just ordered" and then follows up later with a killer testimonial when both posts are from the same IP as the seller.

In that case, both user accounts had avatars of buxom women with European features. The IP addresses were all from India.

Paul

That's insane.

That's got to be illegal in some countries. Like the "I guarantee you will make $xxxx" I'm sure that IS.

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Paul Myers 13 years ago

Andy,

That's got to be illegal in some countries.

The avatar part isn't, although I'd wager those pics aren't being used with proper authorization. The deception in the postings is, but it'd be hard to conclusively prove they weren't different people using wifi somewhere.

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Fraggler

13 years ago

Be alert but not alarmed.

I think I'd rather get burnt a couple of times than never trust someone, even online. A bit of common sense can usually weed out the dodgy ones.

Maybe I'm just naive.

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Sandor Verebi

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Fraggler

Be alert but not alarmed.

I think I'd rather get burnt a couple of times than never trust someone, even online. A bit of common sense can usually weed out the dodgy ones.

Maybe I'm just naive.

Hi Troy,

No, you aren't naive, IMO. You are just representing a sensible behavior - which I also follow.

I remember only 2 - 3 occasion when I gained negative experience. You just need to be circumspect enough.

Anyway, if nobody would trust in others online, major industries have already been destroyed.

Best,

Sandor

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ExRat 13 years ago

Hi Martin,

every Christmas John Taylor and ExRat complained that I never brought the right presents.

I wrote you a ****** letter
And I come to see you twice
Ya worn out geriatric ****
You forgot me ****** bike!

Ref - youtube - 'Kevin Bloody Wilson Hey Santa Claus'

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  Originally Posted by ExRat
  
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Rod Cortez

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Fraggler

Be alert but not alarmed.

I think I'd rather get burnt a couple of times than never trust someone, even online. A bit of common sense can usually weed out the dodgy ones.

Maybe I'm just naive.

Not naive at all. That's just a nice dose of common sense. If I never trusted anyone online (or offline), I would never have outsourced 75% of my business, nor would I have struck the business relationships I have now. And I still feel that way even though I've been burned quite a bit, though less now since I'm a bit wiser in what to look for and spend more time doing my research (and I always get everything in writing).

Not trusting anyone 100% simply isn't smart business sense. It's fine to be cautious, but being overly cautious or paranoid will close a lot of doors.

Lastly, I'm not Rod at all, I'm really Charlie Sheen and I've only got one speed: GOOOOO!

RoD

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Richard Van

13 years ago

Originally Posted by budwalker

It's really hard to trust someone online .. real hard .. As of now, even you guys dont trust me

Well, you're from the Phillipines, you're called "Bud Walker" and you have a question mark for an avatar.

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Claire Sharp

13 years ago

One thing that everyone should always remember. Never trust people online! Don't be fooled by their identity.

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Fraggler 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Claire Sharp

Never trust people online!

Doesn't that get tiring though?

Don't trust strangers perhaps.
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Paul Myers 13 years ago

"Claire,"

One thing that everyone should always remember. Never trust people online! Don't be fooled by their identity.

You mean, like someone whose registration IP is in Texas, whose posting IP is in the Philippines, and whose sig file talks about SEO?

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- Richard Van 13 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Paul Myers
  
  "Claire,"You mean, like someone whose registration IP is in Texas, whose posting IP is in the Phillipines, and whose sig file talks about SEO?
  
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- Paul Myers 13 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by budwalker
  
  Awww.. why does it have to be Philippines?
  
  That's one of the places most of the "SEO" spammers work from.
  
  The Philippines, Pakistan, Malaysia and India are the worst. India is by far the most common home to the offenders in that industry. It's the only one of those where the company itself is commonly in the same country as the people making the posts.
  
  If it's any consolation, posters from the Philippines aren't as obvious, as their English-language skills are generally superior to the SEO spammers from other countries.
  
  This isn't meant as a shot against the majority of the people from those countries, who tend to be productive members of the group. It's just where the cost of labor is low enough that the price/benefit ratio can work for the people employing these sorts of services.
  
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sbucciarel Banned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Claire Sharp

One thing that everyone should always remember. Never trust people online! Don't be fooled by their identity.

I would never have been able to make my living online for the past 12 years if I didn't trust people online. I've been burned a few times, but that's not the majority of my experience in doing business with people that I don't know.

I've been burned just as badly by people that I've known personally, or thought I knew.

I'm not saying don't be careful and please ... due diligence is required for online transactions, especially when a lot of money is involved, but there are times when I'm considering doing business with someone as in hiring them or being hired by them, that I have to sometimes take a leap of faith. If you can't do that, it could seriously affect your ability to do business online.
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gosocialsa

13 years ago

Yes exactly, you need to be very careful when it comes to any online advertising as you never really know who you dealing with. Its best to ask questions and do a background check to verify the information supplied. Call them if you have to.

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sloanjim

13 years ago

spoken from someone claiming to be in the North Pole i find it a bit rich my friend..or should I say Santa?

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ExRat 13 years ago

Hi sloanjim,

spoken from someone claiming to be in the North Pole i find it a bit rich my friend..or should I say Santa?

It's not really that 'rich' when he's got no sig or recent WSOs - IE - he's not actually 'doing business' with anyone.

Hi Martin,

A cautionary tale that fooled the world's media

Or, as has been mentioned, are the world's media trying to fool us?
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Martin Luxton

13 years ago

Originally Posted by sloanjim

spoken from someone claiming to be in the North Pole i find it a bit rich my friend..or should I say Santa?

I did have my photo up there but some naive people confused me with the real thing - every Christmas John Taylor and ExRat complained that I never brought the right presents.

Martin

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Paul Myers

13 years ago

Martin,

every Christmas John Taylor and ExRat complained that I never brought the right presents.

What did you expect? You gave John the Babolat racket and sent Roger the genetically-modified sheep!

Dude, you need a better database tracking system...

Paul

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Martin Luxton

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Paul Myers

Martin,What did you expect? You gave John the Babolat racket and sent Roger the genetically-modified sheep!

Dude, you need a better database tracking system...

Paul

Paul,

I know I promised I would never rat on you, but you were worse than Taylor and ExRat.

Putting a booby trap at the bottom of your chimney the following Christmas was downright evil

Folks, if your kids didn't get their Christmas presents in 2009, now you know who's to blame.

Martin

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Richard Van

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Martin Luxton

I did have my photo up there but some naive people confused me with the real thing - every Christmas John Taylor and ExRat complained that I never brought the right presents.

Martin

The trouble is Martin, with a picture and a sig file you can be anyone.

I'm sorry, I don't believe you really are Father Christmas.

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Martin Luxton

13 years ago

Originally Posted by sloanjim

spoken from someone claiming to be in the North Pole i find it a bit rich my friend..or should I say Santa?

I did have my photo up there but some naive people confused me with the real thing - every Christmas John Taylor and ExRat complained that I never brought the right presents.

Martin

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Richard Van

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Martin Luxton

I did have my photo up there but some naive people confused me with the real thing - every Christmas John Taylor and ExRat complained that I never brought the right presents.

Martin

Is there a parrot in this thread or something?

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John Taylor

13 years ago

Martin's real name is Minx Rant Lout (according to
the anagram solver). ;-)

John

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Alexa Smith Banned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by John Taylor

Martin's real name is Minx Rant Lout (according to the anagram solver)

Now, you wouldn't necessarily expect someone whose own name is an anagram of A Horny Jolt to make an observation like that, would you? People who live in glass houses ... should draw the blinds very carefully before removing their pants, as the saying goes ... :p

(Lax Atheism and A Sixth Meal are the best you'll get out of mine, so don't even think about it ... otherwise that nice Male Syrup will probably have to moderate the thread).
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Kevin AKA Hubcap

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Martin Luxton

A picture, a name and a sig file is all you need to become anybody you want to be on the Warrior Forum (or many other places online).

A cautionary tale that fooled the world's media
Martin

Along the same vein.... here's a story of a seventeen year old kid who convinced various aviation executives and government officials that he was starting an airline.

Sunday Times--Teenager Fake Airline

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MatthewNeer

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Martin Luxton

A picture, a name and a sig file is all you need to become anybody you want to be on the Warrior Forum (or many other places online).

A cautionary tale that fooled the world's media

BBC News - Syrian mystery of Amina Arraf: 'A gay girl in Damascus'

Martin

I could be anybody... Muahahaha

Might even be chick?

Lol, but in all seriousness, that is a big concern. Just take precautions like you would with anything else. Don't give people your passwords, or other sensitive information unless you know you can really trust them. (i still wouldn't do that)

Sucks that people would be all shady like that, but what ya gonna do, ya know? Just gotta look out for Numero Uno sometimes...

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tyusunas

13 years ago

I have taken up services from a few Warriors and I will say I have been a little disappointed. Their customer support has been lacking and their delivery time way late. Slow to respond to emails and PM's. But with that said, there are a lot of "good" people out there who still believe in "over deliverying". You find out who the "good" guys are real fast if you spend some time in the forum

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AllanVans

13 years ago

People need to stop with these kind of things and just be humble and do business right if you are hiding who you are you should not be trying to do business with anyone they should just leave those who are real and have nothing to hid to keep doing and just stay away they are making it bad for people who are honest.

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