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Old 12-29-2008, 03:54 AM   #1
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Default The Biggest Problems IM'ers Face...

While talking to a few people that are into the whole IM industry
I've notice a few things...

People just starting out has so much negative thrown against
them from family and friends and most of it is why they can't
make money this way...

Spouses that don't understand what it is you're do online and gives
you an ear full of hot air for spend sometimes a little bit much
on the pc...

To me the biggest problems most people starting out face is not
having a spouse/gf/bf that supports you and your dreams of being
your own boss...

What other related issues you guys have face, I'm mostly asking
for the social part of things not how to build a list, but support
of love ones and friends...

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Default Re: The Biggest Problems IM'ers Face...

I agree with you completely. My own mother said I would never make a penny on the internet a few years back. Then about 2 months later I got a check in the mail from doing web design for a lady for $200+.

So my advice is to not listen to what anyone says against you being able to make money online. There are so many different ways and it's possible for ANYONE as long as they willing to do the research and WORK.
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IM is full of lies .

It is impossible , whom to believe .

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Default Re: The Biggest Problems IM'ers Face...

Very true - I'm sure that's a huge problem for many people.

Another problem is that many parents have to work full time to support their kids, then come home and try to make time to spend with their children and partners. They also have to cook and clean.

There's a lot of pressure to get these things done, and if you don't people will start questioning your priorities.

Internet marketing gets pushed to the back because there are so many other important things to take care of and there are only so many hours in a day.

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Hi David,

i face the same issues, although my partner is great in every aspect, i do sometimes feel i dont get the support id like, although she does make sure my feet are kept on the ground as i can tend to run before i can walk!

But also my family dont really know that im trying to build a business online, as i have a full time job also so i think there ok with that. Hopefully ill be able to tell them soon that ive left my job as im making enough money to do so.......i think thats when they'll take an interest!

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Hi David,

Brilliant thread as always.

I saw this recent post by David Vallieres and thought you and those reading may appreciate it as it discusses

how to deal with opposition from family members and close friends

regarding beginning your new online business

Think and Succeed!

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Default Re: The Biggest Problems IM'ers Face...

WOW, guys loving the feedback, please share some
of your solutions with us...

How do you deal with it all?

Doug that's an interesting link thanks man...

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Default Re: The Biggest Problems IM'ers Face...

You got it David.

It was so on-topic talking about how to deal with adversity from people close to you as being one of the most common "big problems" im'ers face, that I thought it may be a good, quick read for someone looking for 'how to' advice from another imer who encountered it and overcame it.

Of course, I know you've been doing this forever, but thought it would be cool for newer imers to realize you aren't alone if you're feeling misunderstood or your ideas less than celebrated.

I can be really social sometimes and then at other times prefer to isolate myself and keep some things quiet until they're done.

Personally, if I was experiencing someone being consistently critical of a desire to succeed or of doing anything really that I already had decided to do, as long as that desire is in alignment with values, then I think the

happy medium that exists between that urge to get approval from people arround us for morale or moral support, positive reinforcement or just that nudge from somewhere outside yourself that what you're doing is a good idea and approved of by someone else and just keeping it to yourself...

can actually be to write it down.

There's something about seeing an objective or goal in black and white
on paper that makes it more real.

If goals are just dreams with deadlines,
then written, prioritized, daily task (to do) lists
are just goals with check boxes.

Dreams are kind of "out there somewhere in the future" but when you can
nail them down and put them on paper with specific dates for completion and then write down the smaller steps and tasks needed to complete them, then it can really bridge that gap and help with motivation...

all without necessarily having to share what your aspirations are with someone who may not particulary appreciate or even understand why you want that.

So, I'd have to say, one good way to accept responsibility and not leave your success up to anyone else but the man or woman in the mirror,
is to simply write down what you want to achieve in the order of importance with deadlines to frame your time for completing them
and then focus thoughts, energy and actions toward getting that first one done to build momentum.

Just having it on paper helps to get it outside of the internal and put it on the outside as something to get done rather than just a thought so it's a good way to "get it out" without having to open it up to scrutiny of naysayers or anyone less than supportive.

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I tell people I sell crack then they shut up LOL.

My friends in particular are always like "no job = no money".

Why don't you have a job???

And if I told them I "make money online" they always shout scam.

LOL
Reminds me of me.

When I first started out I had a friend, who is actually more like a sister, who would consistently get into an argument with me about how I should go back to school, get a diploma, find a good job, go for a steady life, that this stuff would never work, etc.

I never held it against her, because I know all this time what she was trying to say is really: I'm worried about you and I want you to be safe, because I care for you" even though the way she expressed it was way off.

Suddenly, when I had my first real breakthrough, everything shifted. She started wondering how come I always had a ****full of money, not having a job or a diploma. She still doesn't get it, none of my friends do, but she gets that I got more than enough to care for myself.

Now I'm traveling around the world, living the mobile lifestyle I always dreamt of, while they're all stuck in their dead-end jobs, telling me how "lucky" I am to be able to travel an live as I do ...

Go figure.

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There are some really inspirational examples. I'm like SO HYPED UP RIGHT NOW!!!

$1000!!! IS MINE

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Very interesting thread. I started online since last year, and there were tons of failures. My family and friends are skeptical to support me then. Maybe because none of us have solid background in business, especially online.

Even my boss don't believe that there is such a thing, and he just smiled when I mention about it. My college course and profession is very far from making money, that's why.

But when I started earning, they realized that it is really for real.

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When I first started out online, my friends and family were constantly on my back trying to get me to stop what i was doing online and telling me to get, what they consider a real job.

Back then they thought anything that had to do with the internet was a scam, spam or a virus. They seriously thought id get in trouble with the law. No matter how much I tried to explain to them what internet marketing really was, they never got it.

I never looked at this issue as a problem and I think its one of the main reasons why im still in IM today.

Their negativity towards IM was a massive inspiration for me. I hate to be proven wrong so there was no way I was going to let that happen. I wanted to show them that you could make a very comfortable living from home and could live the life you want. Thankfully I prove them wrong and jeez it felt good when i did.

I still remember who used to give me the most **** about what i was doing and now most of them want me to show them how to make money online.

Just for spite, I dont show them.

If you have a passion for IM, dont let their negativity get to you, let it inspire you.

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Reminds me of me.

When I first started out I had a friend, who is actually more like a sister, who would consistently get into an argument with me about how I should go back to school, get a diploma, find a good job, go for a steady life, that this stuff would never work, etc.

I never held it against her, because I know all this time what she was trying to say is really: I'm worried about you and I want you to be safe, because I care for you" even though the way she expressed it was way off.

Suddenly, when I had my first real breakthrough, everything shifted. She started wondering how come I always had a ****full of money, not having a job or a diploma. She still doesn't get it, none of my friends do, but she gets that I got more than enough to care for myself.

Now I'm traveling around the world, living the mobile lifestyle I always dreamt of, while they're all stuck in their dead-end jobs, telling me how "lucky" I am to be able to travel an live as I do ...

Go figure.
There are a lot of people who have this same mentality, which I call the "employee mindset." They look only to their employer for their sense of self worth, as well as for their financial security, never realizing that true financial independence will only be attained when you stop working for someone else! You can't really blame these people, since from early on they are conditioned to have this mindset. We are taught that to be successful, you have to have a good education so that you can get a job working for someone else. You are taught to be a good student (don't question the teacher), a good employee (don't question the boss if you want to get ahead), so it's no wonder that this thinking is so prevalent in society today. What many fail to realize is the people they work for once had a dream of starting their own business.

Where I'm extremely fortunate is in having a spouse that is as committed to this as I am, and who supports my efforts 100%. She's never questioned my desire to succeed in this, and has propped me up when I felt like bailing and going back to my "job".

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It is important that at least one other person knows about what you're doing to create an online business so that they can put subtle pressure on you to succeed.

For example:

Twice a month they can inquire about your progress.

But you really should keep your mouth shut to most people - even your friends.

But...

You could send out a trial balloon to discover who is more likely to be supportive of what you're doing by simply saying...

" I'm thinking about starting a online business business" and see how they respond.

If it's the spouse or mate simply explain the advantages of a online business that works and you'll keep expenses low and there are also tax advantages for running any business.

Ps. Also explain how to do not intend on getting involved in recruiting people schemes ( mlm etc. ) where 99% of the participants' fail.

This is where their concerns about scams lay.

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Default Re: The Biggest Problems IM'ers Face...

This is a problem faced by mavericks and entrepreneurs throughout history.

Understand that people in general who haven't experienced something or do not know someone who have experienced something, will not think that it is possible.

In other words if they haven't done it, it's not possible.

It is a lot more comfortable for them to bring you down to their level where "everybody else" is. Their comfort zone if you will.

People who are truly trailblazers will always have an uphill battle until they "make it." Once that happens all the nay sayers will look at the same person as a true visionary. This is where you earn everyone's respect.

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Definitely understand your feelings there. For me it's not the significant other, but rather other close people in my life who are negative about running an "Internet Business".

People fear the unknown, so in many cases it's better to let them down easy and tell them you're a bum.

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I don't get grief from my family and friends re IM, they're quite used to me going off and trying all kinds of different things. In my entire working life, I have never worked for anyone else and I am the only one amongst my family and friends to do that. Everyone of them, is an employed rat doing the 9-5!

So me sat home every day fiddling away on the laptop is not a great shock to them.

What they don't understand is exactly what I do and how I earn money. If I say IM they don't get it. If I say Article Marketing, same thing and it's understandable really, because until I started fumbling around online all those years ago with eBay and then wound up finding my way here a year ago, I knew nothing about IM, Niche marketing or AM.

But really I don't require them to understand what I'm doing more than I'm happy and I can pay my bills and build a future for me and my daughter. All I require from them is support and acceptance and so far, they do that very well.

We have a big family party at my place on Sat and one of my sisters has asked me today to show her what I do online, so we'll see...
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Very recently I read an excellent post by John Reese on using time, "How to get everything you want in 24 Hours" in his blog, Income.com Blog. Time is definitely one of the biggest problems IMers face. But from a personal standpoint, I have to admit "lack of focus" to be the biggest obstacle.

There was a time when I used to buy every IM product. I used to read, read and read and just not take any action. Till this date, I have 10 GB of data from IM products. Can you believe it? 10GB!

But over the past few months, I have stuck to the resolution that I will not buy anymore products. I have to tell you it is very difficult, but I am proud to say I have stuck to my resolution and it is working wonders.
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Damm I couldn't believe so many people are having
this same issue, I thought it was an isolated instance
with a very small group...

..But this isn't the case is it guys?

So what are the best ways to dealing with this issue?

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Thanks for this thread.

I'm truly grateful that my wife has been understanding and let me work nights and weekends with IM.

My friends all told me I'm crazy and it's a waste of time going for these "internet scams". It felt so good silencing them with my first clickbank cheque over $1.000.

I love working online, and can't resist the addiction of doing more sites and checking the stats.
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David I had the same issue with my wife and have it still with other friends and relative, because they don't understand what I am doing. This making money from internet is something new. Specially here in Sweden, and I think this is the case all over the world.

Here in Sweden most people don't have businesses, they are employes and that is the mentality they have. And sitting infront of the computer at home and making $10000/mo or something like that. They just can't seem to understand that.

Anyone who is making online right now is in the minority in the general population and we can see our selfs actually as a pioneer)

My wife have asked me all the time, what are you doing, sitting infront of the computer all day and bla bla bla. And last week we had the same talk again. So I took here to the computer and showed here exactly what I am doing, I showed my sites, clickbank, paypal and other accounts, products, explained what IM was and how one can make money with this and why I was doing it, my goals and dreams etc...

And she finally started to understand a little and she doesn't argue that much with me more and have started to support me now actually because she now knows what I am doing...

But still there is other that don't understand, and they will not understand until this has become like a normal business in their eyes...And some people will argue with you no mather what business you have. Those with the "employee is best mentality"..

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As I said this is a constant issue we all face when working
in this industry...

Memo, I hear you buddy it a problem that comes up all the time
and some times it doesn't really matter about money I think the
main problem people are just in employee phase and can't see anything
else as a means of making money...

I guess that why so many people have jobs...

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People just starting out has so much negative thrown against
them from family and friends and most of it is why they can't
make money this way...

To me the biggest problems most people starting out face is not
having a spouse/gf/bf that supports you and your dreams of being
your own boss
The problem may be you, and who you hang around.

You can change the people you hang around with, or you can stop letting the outside stimuli effect you, as much.

Stop looking for outside "approval". And develop the right mind set.

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The problem may be you, and who you hang around.

You can change the people you hang around with, or you can stop letting the outside stimuli effect you, as much.

Stop looking for outside "approval". And develop the right mind set.

Good Luck
This isn't about me but thanks for the comments
I've gone past that stage a long time ago...

I guess the way I wrote it it does sounds like it
me I'm talking about, maybe a couple years ago yes
but not now I do what is right for me and this is one
thing I would like to pass on to people that are having
this issue is do what makes you feel good a few others
might come around but not all...

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The support issue goes both ways...

Let's face it, a lot of people who get into IM don't make it. I know guys who have sat at their computer round the clock for a year without making a dime. After a couple months of that the spouse starts getting critical. It's understandable, especially if the person is not bringing in money in any other way. I've seen this result in divorce.

I've got nothing but admiration for the ones who stick with their dreams and make it in the end. But too many are just dreamers and you have to see things from the perspective of the ones who depend on them.
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This isn't about me but thanks for the comments
I've gone past that stage a long time ago...

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Hey David,

I probably didn't read the entire post ( i normally don't), but if anyone has those problems, it certainly can be fixed. Everyone is effected by outside stimuli, but if you notice it more, it can potentially be controlled more.


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Hey David,

I probably didn't read the entire post ( i normally don't), but if anyone has those problems, it certainly can be fixed. Everyone is effected by outside stimuli, but if you notice it more, it can potentially be controlled more.

I agree with you all the way it can be controlled and turned
into an advantage, I believe the only thing you have to prove
is to your-self not anyone else...

Not even your love ones but it is always good to have their
support otherwise the issue will always plague you, but people
outside of your family you don't have to give a damm...lol

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I know having no one around you who supports you, makes you so pessimistic and so low on spirits but I say that believe in yourself and your belief will make other people bend too. Initially you will have to fight your way but after some time people will understand your thoughts and your situation.

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