Do You See Rules Being Broken? Report It!

[Allen Graves]

Warriors,

This message is directed at all of you on one level or the other. Either you break the rules, or you don't.

People who come to this forum and consistently break the rules by openly telling people to look at their WSO or to go to their website and sign up for their membership or services because they're SOOOOOO GOOD are starting to piss me off.

What makes it even more disturbing is that these people are passing themselves off as experts in their field when it is completely obvious that they are not...they just saw an opportunity to copy someone else's successful model and make some money off the other person's ideas. Nothing wrong with that...but doing it and then blatantly self-promoting it in posts really, REALLY pisses me off.

I am not going to be a nice guy about it any more.

When I see it, it's going straight to the help desk. If I am not allowed to do it, why should I sit back and let someone else STEAL all of the prospects by throwing their crap into their faces for free, while the rule-followers have to pay $20 to do it.

I have reported post after post and nothing has ever been done. The posts remain, the rule-breaking posters remain and here I am biting the hell out of my tongue.

No more.

If you want to buy something from someone who is blatantly breaking the rules, go right ahead. It's your dollar.

If you want to report it...I have your back 100% (for whatever that's worth).

All due respect,
Allen Graves

[Lance K]

I have no problem nuking rule breakers.

[jhongren]

Thanks Allen!

I can sense that you are protecting all the
Warriors here!

I think it takes a couple of clicks on the
"Report post" to make the post disappear...
not sure how many though...

John

[Allen Graves]

I've been doing it (reporting posts) for months. It either doesn't work, or not enough people are reporting.

And I'm not talking about little digs at other people or other petty stuff that goes on. I'm talking about cheating and cheaters. I'm calling them out now.

I've been concerned that I'd be seen as a bad guy...but at this point, it's a matter of business and a matter of getting rid of the law-breakers.

Allen Graves

[JayXtreme]

I must have the special touch Allen..

I just nuked it and it went bye, byes

He shouldn't be touting for traffic in the main forum, pay for a WSO or a classified if you wanna advertise...

Peace

Jay

[ptone]

I completely agree. I get frustrated when I see a post/thread that is in violation of the rules and there are several replies afterward. This means that the post is not being reported.

I've been doing it (reporting posts) for months. It either doesn't work, or not enough people are reporting.

It does work, but there is a formula...enough people reports and the post gets deleted (has to do with the reporters' post counts).

I would like to add that everyone also KNOWS what the forum rules are, they are posted as a sticky at the top of this forum. So, be careful with this:

People who come to this forum and consistently break the rules by openly telling people to look at their WSO...

This is actually OK (according to the rules) when done properly. Here is the quote from the rules:

Edit: We have no problem with someone pointing to their WSO within their sig.

[lgibbon]

Originally Posted by Allen Graves

Warriors,

This message is directed at all of you on one level or the other. Either you break the rules, or you don't.

People who come to this forum and consistently break the rules by openly telling people to look at their WSO or to go to their website and sign up for their membership or services because they're SOOOOOO GOOD are starting to piss me off.

What makes it even more disturbing is that these people are passing themselves off as experts in their field when it is completely obvious that they are not...they just saw an opportunity to copy someone else's successful model and make some money off the other person's ideas. Nothing wrong with that...but doing it and then blatantly self-promoting it in posts really, REALLY pisses me off.

I am not going to be a nice guy about it any more.

When I see it, it's going straight to the help desk. If I am not allowed to do it, why should I sit back and let someone else STEAL all of the prospects by throwing their crap into their faces for free, while the rule-followers have to pay $20 to do it.

I have reported post after post and nothing has ever been done. The posts remain, the rule-breaking posters remain and here I am biting the hell out of my tongue.

No more.

If you want to buy something from someone who is blatantly breaking the rules, go right ahead. It's your dollar.

If you want to report it...I have your back 100% (for whatever that's worth).

All due respect,
Allen Graves

Yep agreed.
The trouble is there are a lot of examples people are trying to copy.
There are numerous threads that start of as useful information that
suddenly turn into WSO ads.

[lgibbon]

Originally Posted by ptone

This is actually OK (according to the rules) when done properly. Here is the quote from the rules:
Quote:
Edit: We have no problem with someone pointing to their WSO within their sig.

I think the word "pointing" is being taken in the wrong context here.

It means there is no problem having a link to your wso in your sig file.

It doesn't mean trolling posts that relate to the subject of your
wso and pointing out your sig file as the answer to their prayers.

[Canada]

I've been reporting posts left and right--felt like the hallway monitor from high school Glad to hear I'm not the only one.

[R Hagel]

Originally Posted by Allen Graves

I've been doing it (reporting posts) for months. It either doesn't work, or not enough people are reporting.

I've reported a few of those rule-breakers too, and the post didn't disappear. I think it's because, as you suggested, not enough people are reporting.

I think a good solution, especially since you're getting over feeling like the bad guy , is to first reply to the thread about what rule is being broken, and then report it. For example,

"This post belongs in the WSO forum, not here."

That may help nudge others into reporting it.

Of course better yet would be to create a call to action (though here's where your "bad guy" feeling might come in ). For example:

"This posts belongs in the WSO forum... so everyone who reads this thread should click the little triangle and report it now so that the OP can move it to the WSO forum."

Or something like that.

Cheers,
Becky

[Allen Graves]

Originally Posted by lgibbon

I think the word "pointing" is being taken in the wrong context here.

It means there is no problem having a link to your wso in your sig file.

It doesn't mean trolling posts that relate to the subject of your
wso and pointing out your sig file as the answer to their prayers.

That is exactly what I was referring to.

AL

[Allen Graves]

Originally Posted by R Hagel

I've reported a few of those rule-breakers too, and the post didn't disappear. I think it's because, as you suggested, not enough people are reporting.

I think a good solution, especially since you're getting over feeling like the bad guy , is to first reply to the thread about what rule is being broken, and then report it. For example,

"This post belongs in the WSO forum, not here."

That may help nudge others into reporting it.

Of course better yet would be to create a call to action (though here's where your "bad guy" feeling might come in ). For example:

"This posts belongs in the WSO forum... so everyone who reads this thread should click the little triangle and report it now so that the OP can move it to the WSO forum."

Or something like that.

Cheers,
Becky

Thanks, Becky.

I think this might encroach on rule #1. But there are exception, I guess.

AL

[Lance K]

Frankly, I'm a little shocked that you needed to clarify that!

I thought it was pretty straight forward.

Originally Posted by lgibbon

I think the word "pointing" is being taken in the wrong context here.

It means there is no problem having a link to your wso in your sig file.

It doesn't mean trolling posts that relate to the subject of your
wso and pointing out your sig file as the answer to their prayers.

[Allen Graves]

Yea, and I don't think they're taking it out of context, I think they're purposely trying to jerk the system.

AL

[ptone]

Originally Posted by lgibbon

I think the word "pointing" is being taken in the wrong context here.

It means there is no problem having a link to your wso in your sig file.

It doesn't mean trolling posts that relate to the subject of your
wso and pointing out your sig file as the answer to their prayers.

You're absolutely right. The word "within" proves that.

Edit: We have no problem with someone pointing to their WSO within their sig.

I was trying to work on something else while replying to this thread and wasn't paying attention to what Allen said or what I was trying to say.

I am guilty of trying to do too many things at once (spanking self right now - ouch!)

[lgibbon]

Not trying to hijack the post,
but while we're on the subject of abuse that needs reporting,
anyone else notice the amount of junk posts by people
all with the same video in their sig file link?

[Asher]

Hi Allen,

Don't forget the blog section... that part is one of the
most rampant of such spam stuff. I usually report all
of them as well.

Don't want to have these darn spammers destroying
the nice PR that the Warrior Forum has!

Asher

[Pete Egeler]

Maybe next time you "get pissed" you ought to keep it to yourself, Allen.

I've noticed since your post that a couple of useful threads with several hundred views and a large number of positive replies have now vanished from the forum. And, they didn't even come close to what you're carping about.

There are too many people around here that don't check before they know what a real "hangin'" offense is. They just start clicking.

Pete

[Allen Graves]

Pete,

Don't get mad at me...get mad at the people who were using the thread to completely ignore the rules of this forum and blatantly advertise their businesses.

Keeping it to myself did me absolutely no good and is what I am not going to do any more.

The kid gloves are off and I am not going to apologize for something that was not caused by this thread, but was caused by a bunch of unethical cheaters.

AL

[PJ Morales]

There are too many people around here that don't check before they know what a real "hangin'" offense is. They just start clicking.

Actually, there are too many people who wouldn't recognize a "hangin" offense if it bit them on the butt, or just haven't read the rules, or just don't care, not to mention the ones who whine because an offending thread got deleted.

This place hasn't changed.

[Johnny Slater]

Allen is doing what he feels is the right thing. He is also doing exactly what I personally suggested to him.

It doesn't matter if you thought the thread should have stayed. All that matters is enough other people saw a problem with it and had the guts to report it.

If more people would report posts that clearly break the rules then the forum would regain some of the quality that has been lacking lately. Too many junk posts designed only for post count or link spam have been allowed to clog the forum because not enought people would step up and report it.

Originally Posted by Pete Egeler

Maybe next time you "get pissed" you ought to keep it to yourself, Allen.

I've noticed since your post that a couple of useful threads with several hundred views and a large number of positive replies have now vanished from the forum. And, they didn't even come close to what you're carping about.

There are too many people around here that don't check before they know what a real "hangin'" offense is. They just start clicking.

Pete

[Steven Wagenheim]

Allen, first of all, let me say I agree with you 100% that any thread or
post that is blatantly self promotional should be reported. Certainly any
"Check my sig" posts should be nuked right away.

Having said that, I don't read all the threads here. I can't possibly. There
are just too many. What ones I do read, if I see a violation, I report it. Most
times, not all, but most, the thread or post is eventually gone.

But there is just no way to catch them all.

As much as I felt the moderators were heavy handed at times, I really
feel that this forum needs them back. It's just too big a place for the
members to police. Plus, we're not trained to be moderators, at least not
all of us.

Do you think a brand new person who just about knows what SEO means
is going to be able to tell if a post is breaking the rules? And some of them
are so sneaky and clever that they're very well disguised.

I do what I can. I'm sure we all do. But it's a big job and we can't do it
alone.

At least that's my honest opinion on this issue.

[Pete Egeler]

There in lies the problem, Johnny.

It doesn't matter what I think, what you think, or what Allen Graves thinks, or anyone else for that matter. Just because you don't like someone, doesn't mean you should be reporting their posts. (I use the word "you" in a collective way.)

I know how to read. I've read the rules, and constantly check for updates, and have tried my level best to stay within them since I PAID to be a part of this forum many years ago.

The fact is, posts keep going bye-bye around here that HAVEN'T broken any rules, but just for the fact that ABC doesn't like XYZ.

If it were a case of rules, I'd have started reporting these mini-novels that are being posted around here a long time ago. There's a section called "Articles" that the bulk of them belong in, but no one says anything 'cause these are " respected " members of the forum.

Pete

[Steven Wagenheim]

Originally Posted by Pete Egeler

There in lies the problem, Johnny.

It doesn't matter what I think, what you think, or what Allen Graves thinks, or anyone else for that matter. Just because you don't like someone, doesn't mean you should be reporting their posts. (I use the word "you" in a collective way.)

I know how to read. I've read the rules, and constantly check for updates, and have tried my level best to stay within them since I PAID to be a part of this forum many years ago.

The fact is, posts keep going bye-bye around here that HAVEN'T broken any rules, but just for the fact that ABC doesn't like XYZ.

If it were a case of rules, I'd have started reporting these mini-novels that are being posted around here a long time ago. There's a section called "Articles" that the bulk of them belong in, but no one says anything 'cause these are " respected " members of the forum.

Pete

You know Pete, this is an interesting thread to say the least.

For starters, Allen Graves and Les Gibbon both thanked somebody for
the same post. I may have to take a snapshot of that because it may
never happen again.

As for the novels you're talking about, I'm probably the biggest "offender"
at this forum, if in fact long posts are offenses.

Pete, if you feel they're inappropriate, it doesn't matter who posts them.

Report the posts.

If everybody does this, they'll go into moderation and then Allen Says will
decide if the post stays or doesn't stay.

It's that simple.

We're the moderators, though I personally never asked for the job and
don't really want it, but that's the way it is. We're the moderators.

So if you see something you feel is inappropriate, report it.

Eventually, if all those "novels" end up getting deleted, one of two things
is going to happen.

1. The persons posting them will begin posting different kinds of posts.

2. The persons posting them will go somewhere else.

From those 2 actions, one or two things will then follow.

1. People who enjoyed reading those "novels" will stick around and read
what choices are left.

2. People who enjoyed reading those "novels" will leave and go elsewhere
because what's left doesn't interest them.

You see Pete, for every problem there is a very simple solution and a very
simple set of consequences that will follow as a result of that solution.

That's why I don't sweat this stuff. Ultimately, the members will decide
what belongs and what doesn't belong here.

And personally, if I wake up one day and find all my posts gone, then I'll
find something else to say.

Contrary to popular opinion, I can be brief when I want to be.

[Allen Graves]

Pete,

I'm not referring (in my OP) to who doesn't like who or whether or not a post gets too long or is in the wrong forum.

I am referring to those who break the rules mentioned in the OP.

If you wish to speak of those posts, then start your own thread instead of coming in here and telling me to keep my mouth shut or trying to assume you know what I am talking about. If you've been coming to this forum since it was a PAID forum, then you should know better.

Allen Graves

[Alan Petersen]

Originally Posted by lgibbon

I think the word "pointing" is being taken in the wrong context here.

It means there is no problem having a link to your wso in your sig file.

It doesn't mean trolling posts that relate to the subject of your
wso and pointing out your sig file as the answer to their prayers.

It's amazing that folks need further clarification on that!

People need to use common sense. This is a discussion forum. If someone has a question or a comment and the reply is check out my WSO sig for all your answers well that's not really discussion. I agree with Allen G. looks like most of these folks are trying to game the system and they know it's against the rules. I've also reported a few of those and they don't get zapped so I think that very few people are actually moderating. So just a reminder this is a memeber moderated forum so report those rule breakers.

[Kay King]

If you wish to speak of those posts, then start your own thread instead of coming in here and telling me to keep my mouth shut or trying to assume you know what I am talking about. If you've been coming to this forum since it was a PAID forum, then you should know better.

That comment is why it takes more than one person to get a post or thread deleted - some people get bent out of shape at any reply that isn't agreeing with them. Offering differing viewpoints is a function of a forum.

Blatant spammers usually are deleted quickly - that tells me members are moderating. I've seen some threads that ended up as WSO promotions that were removed and then reinstated by Admin - perhaps because the info was considered important enough that it should remain.

If a post is reported and not removed, it may mean others didn't see it as a problem or didn't read it at all. Many members report violations when they see them - but don't look for violations to report. Each person is able to report or not as they see fit - and if Admin doesn't think it's working, he will do something about it.

kay

[Allen Graves]

Hi Kay,

You mean my comment or his comment?

I didn't do anything wrong by starting this thread. In fact, I consulted several people before doing so.

If you mean me, I wasn't bent out of shape by his opinion, I was just bent out of shape because he said I should keep it to myself. That's not a viewpoint, it's a selfish comment that I felt needed to be responded to, that's all.

Why is he directing his anger toward me? I'm not the one who blatantly pointed to my sig, WSO or website in those other threads that got them deleted.

AL

[Kay King]

The "keep it to yourself" probably went too far - but he had a point in that some (especially perhaps very new members) are using the report button and infractions as a way to indicate disapproval of comments made even though those comments don't violate the rules.

Pete is right that some good threads have disappeared. Usually it's because of a couple members arguing in the thread and others feeling they must report anything they perceive as not "friendly".

I have no problem with your posting this and I do report violations. Many times I PM a new person instead to say "you might want to read the rules before posting again to avoid problems" - and they almost always thank me. They joined, were excited, and didn't read any rules at all.

Long time members know better than to promote their WSO - but some also know they can get by with it once in a while. I've sometimes mentioned a WSO in a thread (not my own WSOs) because it was the perfect answer to what the poster was requesting (and cheaper than other alternatives). Not sure that is acceptable - but seems to fall under "common sense" to me.

kay

[Allen Graves]

Originally Posted by Kay King

Many times I PM a new person instead to say "you might want to read the rules before posting again to avoid problems" - and they almost always thank me. They joined, were excited, and didn't read any rules at all.

Kay,

That's (quoted above) a very good idea.

I think what you said in your last paragraph is totally acceptable. I do that too. Nobody has ever said anything about it.

AL

[sylviad]

It makes sense that threads don't disappear as soon as you report them because not all reported threads are in violation. Admin has initiated safeguards to prevent threads from getting deleted just because one person was offended.

The problem arises when people don't really read the rules or comprehend how the report button is supposed to work. This can diminish the button's value. And as someone already pointed out, there are some people who just use it to retaliate.

Does admin not check all reports before deleting the threads? If so, I suppose the time between reports and action can vary. Of course, that doesn't explain why threads that are clearly in violation are allowed to continue.

Also, at what point does a thread get deleted? I remember when it was just the post within the thread that was deleted, especially in threads that have a lot of responses. Does Allen not do that anymore? I guess it's easier to just zap an entire thread if there are only a few replies and let the rest remain.

Sylvia

[Dixiebelle]

I agree with Kay. I have seen some violations and have Pmed the person and suggested that they check the rules because their post was in violation. I don't like "calling someone out" in an open forum. It's insulting and probably embarrassing to the poster.

Dixie

[AgileHosting]

Originally Posted by Pete Egeler

Maybe next time you "get pissed" you ought to keep it to yourself, Allen.

Yeah, to hell with the rules anyway! They don't help maintain order, or a sense of decorum, and above all they do not perpetuate value. The rules are worthless! Destructive, even!

Good Lord, what next. *snicker*

Bailey

[AgileHosting]

I must confess, personally I do not much understand the (convoluted) logic behind how reported posts are (apparently) reviewed and moderated here.

As in,

(1) you mean the reports don't automatically go to the helpdesk?! Why on earth not??

(2) The number of people reporting a post has nothing to do with whether a post has the necessary qualifications that it would rightfully be removed. And,

(3) I see a lot of griping about the basic "cost of doing business."

Please, allow me to explain.

I have spent many, many years on WebHostingTalk, have amassed posts in the tens of thousands, and have helped countless people there. I love the topic and I love how the board is by and large, moderated fairly. Is it perfect? Of course not -- no board run by imperfect humans ever will be but it is really, really well done.

All reported posts go to the helpdesk. That way there is no wondering if a report was ignored, not seen, conveniently lost, etc. There's also a track record of what the moderator's analysis was, and what action was taken, and by whom. In a word, the helpdesk = ACCOUNTABILITY.

The helpdesk also assures that reported posts, which by nature if they are reported, they need priority handling for one reason or another, actually gets the priority handling. It doesn't sit around waiting for an unspecified period of time. It gets handled by the next available mod.

Every single report has equal footing. It doesn't matter if a post has received one report or 20, and it doesn't matter if the report comes from a 2-post newbie or a 6,000-post oldie.The assumption is that every report is perfectly legitimate until it is shown not to be. Everybody gets equal treatment and every post is held against the same standards. If the post breaks the rules, it's whacked. Period. This isn't a popularity contest, folks; either a post breaks the rules or it doesn't. If it breaks the rules, there is no reason for it to stay live past 1 report. It's very cut & dry, black & white... not these shades of wondergray I see being painted here in this thread.

In the case of personality conflicts, the mods simply assess whether the post breaks the rules, and if it doesn't, they say so. There's no reason for a report by one person who doesn't like another, to cause the removal of a post/thread that doesn't break the rules. If the people involved in the personality conflict carry on their B.S. with further reports of posts that don't break the rules, they are told by the moderation team to (a) stop or (b) leave -- choice is theirs. And if they don't stop, they are banned. Simple as that.

vBulletin has an "ignore" feature, and if a person cannot keep their emotions in check with another user, and cannot keep from polluting a forum with repeated fight-picking, then they need to USE said ignore button. If they don't do so at WHT, they are removed from the board. Believe me, if a person wants to be on the board bad enough, they clean up their act quickly.

And, WHT has an extensive moderation team, as well as "community guides," all of whom are volunteer and take their responsibilities very seriously. They pop in and work on reports when they can, just like any volunteer-moderated board. And they do an excellent job. There isn't a one-person choke point that everything must go through. Nor does it require multiple reports to get somebody's attention to enforce the rules.

In my opinion, forum rules are straightforward, and they are also essential to running a healthy, quality forum. But if you don't enforce them swiftly and equally across all threads and all users, then you end up with people like Allen Graves and Pete Egeler who legitimately feel frustrated and wronged as they sit on opposite sides of the same coin! Swift and equal is the key to success.

Please, if I am misunderstanding things here, I would love to have it explained to me. It is likely there are nuances that I have missed, given that I hop between many boards in a day in the course of work. Furthermore I don't wish to sound ungrateful or mean-spirited, not at ALL. Like other warm-blooded humans, I feel frustrated by things I don't understand or that I feel could be done better. I've tried really hard to offer real-world constructive actions that WF could do to fix things, rather than just standing here shooting off with problems.


Bailey

[lgibbon]

Originally Posted by sylviad

Also, at what point does a thread get deleted? I remember when it was just the post within the thread that was deleted, especially in threads that have a lot of responses. Does Allen not do that anymore? I guess it's easier to just zap an entire thread if there are only a few replies and let the rest remain.

A post within a thread can still be deleted without the whole thread going.
There's a report button for each post within a thread.

If you feell the whole thread should go, you have to go back to the original post to report it.
That's probably why some of the long winded WSO ads have lasted so long.

[Chuck Evans]

Many times I PM a new person instead to say "you might want to read the rules before posting again to avoid problems"

I did that ONCE! At first the person PM'd back very kind and apologized and asked where the rules were for their particular post. I sent them the link and then asked what my status was here on the WF.

When I told them I was merely a member trying to help out on the forum I got the nastiest PM back telling me that since I had no status I should shove it up my &** and I was being reported for harassment!

Hummm...did it stop me from reporting? ***NO***!

If we ALL exercise a little judgment we can hopefully keep this forum cleaned up and enjoyable for all. If everyone is scared to report offenders then the inmates will soon run the asylum and our meeting place will quickly go the way of the dinosaur!

Thanks for the post Allen!

chuck

[Diana Lane]

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

Report the posts.

If everybody does this, they'll go into moderation and then Allen Says will
decide if the post stays or doesn't stay.

I imagine that there will come a tipping point where the poor guy doesn't consider the possibility that he's surely got something better to do with his days. I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't look at this place sometimes and wonder already. I'd hate to turn up one day and find that the it's disappeared because we've finally done his head in.

I don't know what the answer is though. Maybe it ought to be compulsory to post to the thread in question first, showing your reasons, before reporting it. At least that way the people who truly aren't aware of what few rules there are here will get an education in common sense before the post disappears, and those who are knowingly in violation of them will be shown a message loud and clear about what won't be tolerated here.

[Mark McWilliams]

Originally Posted by Chuck Evans

When I told them I was merely a member trying to help out on the forum I got the nastiest PM back telling me that since I had no status I should shove it up my &** and I was being reported for harassment!

A similar thing happened with me, but this time I had given the person an infraction for insulting another member of the forum. Now you know when you use this function, you can type a 'note' kind of thing, which gets send to the user.

Well this particular user didn't like the fact they received one, and so gave me one back! And it sadly still stays in my account today, for anyone to see!

But I've also had some people think that I happend to me an Admin, and when I told them I wasn't, they got a little upset! Like you though, if I see something, it doesn't stop me from reporting!

Thanks
Mark

[Allen Graves]

OK guys and gals, listen.

I am not going to out anyone in this thread, but I have to say this because the thread is beginning to go in the wrong direction related to its original intention.

The people I am referring to (there are three of them) all have over 1,000 posts to their name and have been here for several months, pimping their crap.

While I agree that a newbie may not be aware of the rules (when I first came here I didn't even SEE the rules section a the top before I made several posts), when the violations are being commited by members who obviously know the difference, I WILL call them out and I WILL report their posts/threads.

Read the OP again. I am only referring to self-promotion. The petty crap that goes on...I can live with that.

All due respect,
Allen GRaves

[Monetize]

I notice violations all the time but . . . .

We all are supposedly mods and when we report a violation nothing
is done (as far as I can tell), so what's the point of even bothering
about it?

[Kay King]

as far as I can tell

You aren't looking very far. Nothing happens instantly when you report spam or promoting - but when others also report it, something does happen.

As members, we've been asked to report "post fluffing" comments like "thank you" made over and over and spam and outright promotions. What happens after we make a quick-click report isn't something we have to worry about as we've done our part.

kay

[lgibbon]

Originally Posted by Allen Graves

The people I am referring to (there are three of them)

I think there are more than 3
And most have been bumped for months.
Surely there should be a seperate forum
for this never ending bull****.

[Johnny Slater]

No ONE report will do anything. Posts are not deleted with just one report on them. It takes several members to report any one post in order for it to be deleted. Just like voting, no one vote can win an election but when combined the majority vote can make a difference.

Honestly, I'm very shocked to see some old time members balking at the very thought of reporting a post. It just proves the point that no matter what you do you can't please everyone.

Ironic that at least one of the people who have a problem with reporting others is one of the same people who used to be very vocal about mods deleting their posts or abusing power.

This is quite simple guys.... Allen has said he really really doesn't want to put full time mods back in place and Lord knows if he does there will be a huge uproar of abuse complaints. If you don't want to have to deal with full time mods then just report a post if you think it doesn't belong.

Reporting a post is not going to bring you to anyone's attention and the poster will have no idea who reported it. You are not at risk of anything by reporting posts that clearly do not belong here. However, you are at risk of losing something very important if more people don't step up to the plate and assume some personal responsibility.

Allen feels we should all at least act a little grown up and assume responsibility for our community. As a member here you have a responsibility to help keep the place the way it is supposed to be.

Originally Posted by Monetize

I notice violations all the time but . . . .

We all are supposedly mods and when we report a violation nothing
is done (as far as I can tell), so what's the point of even bothering
about it?