An Intelligent Discussion On Traffic Generation

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** DISCLAIMER ** The following is based on my own personal experience
from 6 years of marketing online. It is not intended as the gospel. As with
anything else, test and see what works best for you.

There have been quite a few heated debates about what works and what
doesn't work as far as getting traffic to your website. What's worth your
time and money and what's not.

What I have put together is a pros and cons of several of the more popular
forms of traffic generation today. I have tried to be as objective as possible
on each one. I think you will see that I have been fair, if not totally
accurate of my assessment of each.

I am leaving outsourcing out of the equation because outsourcing can be
used for any method. Therefore, the pluses and minuses related to
outsourcing will also apply to each method, thus equalizing the effect.

Article Marketing

Pros

No out of pocket expense.
Several avenues to deliver the content such as directories, blogs, etc.
Articles remain working over time, depending on niche.

Cons

Must be able to write well in order to be successful with it.
Does not bring traffic as quickly as other methods.
Articles can be less effective over time depending on SE changes.
Can have your articles removed by the directories if you violate their rules

Scale 1 - 10: 8

Pay Per Click

Pros

Quickest and most targeted form of promotion
Only pay for advertising if prospects click on your ad
In my opinion, better books on the subject than other advertising methods

Cons

Learning curve is steep if you're going to master this
Can eat up your funds quickly if you don't know what you're doing
Can have your campaign slapped if you violate their rules.

Payment for service usually has to be made before you get paid for sales
so cash flow is a problem

Scale 1 - 10: 8

Forum Marketing

Pros

No out of pocket expense
Builds relationships in addition to getting traffic
No real "skill" required. Just add value to the forum

Cons

Takes a long time to build a reputation
Can't blatantly promote your business unless there is a section for it
Can be banned from forum for violating rules

Scale 1 - 10: 8

Web Page SEO

Pros

Can be done with no out of pocket expense

Unlikely you'll have your site taken away from you unless your host shuts
you down for spamming

Have complete control of every part of the process

Cons

Can be very time consuming and take a long time to see significant results
Can have all your work undone by a change in SE algorithms.
Takes an enormous amount of knowledge.

Scale 1 - 10: 7

Joint Ventures

Pros

Can bring massive amounts of traffic quickly at no cost
Can literally launch your reputation

Cons

Extremely difficult to get one with a top name marketer
Risk of the JV going sour and not getting what you were promised
Not all JVs turn into gold mines.

Scale 1 - 10: 9

Social Bookmarking

Pros

No out of pocket expense
Can significantly increase backlinks to your site

Cons

Very time consuming
Some sites will ban you quickly
Not all traffic converts well

Scale 1 - 10: 6

(Kevin Riley suggested I add this to this OP)

Affiliates

Pros

No out of pocket expense
A few good affiliates can bring tons of traffic and sales
I had one that brought me 100 sales a month alone

Cons

Takes some actual promotion on your part to get them.
Not all affiliates will be money makers
Not all affiliate programs are easy to manage

Scale 1 - 10: 9

(Note)
Pound per pound, nothing beats this as an army
of affiliates can literally mean you can just sit back and
let them do all the work. But it's not an easy thing to get
going. There are so many factors that go into attracting
affiliates (such as showing good sales page conversion)
that I don't want to get into here. But if you can pull this
off, yes, having affiliates is the dream team of IM.
There you go. My personal evaluation of what are probably the 6 most
popular forms of traffic generation.

As you can see, I give nothing a 10 and I give nothing a 1. For that matter,
I give nothing a very low score. Each method can be effective if used
properly. Also, each method has its pitfalls.

You have to determine which ones the pros outweigh the cons and choose
what you want to concentrate on.

I do all of the above. Some of it, more than others. But I rule nothing
out until it proves to not be a productive use of my time.

I encourage others to add their own pros and cons and/or their own
methods of traffic generation. And of course, you can refute anything I've
said here. As I said, I tried to be as objective as I could and the above is
based on my 6 years of marketing experience.

Anyway, I hope this thread is of some use to somebody.
#discussion #generation #intelligent #traffic
  • Profile picture of the author DannyClare
    Nice post Steve!

    I believe my favourite two are article marketing and forum marketing, perhaps that is because I aint struck to many million dollar JVs just yet. Social bookmarking hasn't got me the same results as articles and forums have.

    Danny Clare
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  • Profile picture of the author Andy Fletcher
    I agree with everything you've said except that SEO is a lot of work and can be undone by SE updates.

    This is only true for blackhat and fad SEO techniques. The fundamentals of on page SEO and building solid backlinks won't go out of fashion for a long time.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Originally Posted by Andy Fletcher View Post

      I agree with everything you've said except that SEO is a lot of work and can be undone by SE updates.

      This is only true for blackhat and fad SEO techniques. The fundamentals of on page SEO and building solid backlinks won't go out of fashion for a long time.
      Yes, which is why I included "Takes an enormous amount of knowledge"
      and believe me, I am NO SEO expert by any stretch of the imagination.
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      • Profile picture of the author Andy Fletcher
        Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

        Yes, which is why I included "Takes an enormous amount of knowledge"
        and believe me, I am NO SEO expert by any stretch of the imagination.
        You're probably right. I guess its knowledge I take for granted.

        OK guys here's SEO 101, which will teach you more than 90% of people know about the topic -

        1. There are no definite answers unless you're Larry Page or Sergey Brin.
        2. Make your content original.
        3. Make sure you include the keywords you're trying to rank for a handful of times on the page and in different tags, h1, h2, p, a.
        4. Make sure there's plenty of other stuff on the page too.
        5. Make sure there's lots of other pages on your site.
        6. Make sure you've got a good linking structure (ie lots of pages all linking to each other on your site, this is what Wordpress does out of the box and why it does so well)
        7. Get backlinks to your main page (preferably linked with the keywords you're trying to rank for)
        8. Get backlinks to pages on your site that link directly to your main page
        9. Get backlinks to other pages that eventually link to your main page
        10. Get any other backlinks you can lay your hands on.
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  • Profile picture of the author Bev Clement
    PPC I started out using this method, and did something which I don't see talked about much.

    When I signed up for my hosting hidden in the small print was a $100 voucher for Google and a $50 voucher for Yahoo for PPC. Condition it has to be a brand new account with Google and Yahoo to use them, but as I was starting this wasn't a problem.

    My logic was this isn't my money, so I am not bothered if it works or not. I decided to use this money to test and try out PPC, I used it to discover what was the pitfalls and how best to create the ads.

    I learnt fairly quickly the best position on the page, and everything else I needed before I started to use my own money.

    Most of my traffic comes through the search engines, and takes very little work to do it. But, there again I don't go down the normal routes.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kevin Riley
    Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

    Joint Ventures
    No mention of affiliates? In the long run, customer/affiliates bring in more sales than any JV. They're also much easier to recruit.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Originally Posted by Kevin Riley View Post

      No mention of affiliates? In the long run, customer/affiliates bring in more sales than any JV. They're also much easier to recruit.
      Kevin, I left affiliates out because while they're easier to recruit than JVs,
      there is a fact about affiliates that makes a lot of what you get from them
      out of your control, no matter how many affiliate tools you give them.

      Know what it is?

      You can't force them to actually do anything. You pretty much have to hope
      that you get a few that will put in the work needed to make sales for you.

      But if you like, sure, I can add this to the OP.
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    agree with everything being said.

    Btw. PPC can be a B***H.....and i really, really mean it.
    Just recently Google slapped some of my domains again, so i had to move pages to new sites...and BINGO! i get nice QS again and low bids.

    Google really tries every "trick" to get their money's worth...and it takes a LOT of knowledge about PPC to stay ahead and not pay premium for some idiotic $20/pop sales / 100 clicks.

    I spent hours yesterday creating variations of keywords and creating campaigns, also seperated into match type. Even google adwords editor can only help "so much".

    Do me a favor and get keyword iterations for
    whatever long tail phrases, and then make an adgroup for each of those iterations, split groups....write ads...etc..etc...its a monstrous work, and this all to get better QS
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  • Profile picture of the author Ron Killian
    Steve, I am surprised you didn't mention Blogging, seems I read a post from you not long ago saying it was working for you?
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Originally Posted by Ron Killian View Post

      Steve, I am surprised you didn't mention Blogging, seems I read a post from you not long ago saying it was working for you?
      Blogging is not a traffic generation method per say.

      Think about it. You have to get traffic to your blog.

      Now, if you're talking about going to other people's blogs
      and posting comments, yes, that's another method.

      I could include it but honestly, it's not one of my personal
      favorites because many blogs are no follow or the comments
      have to be approved.

      Very time consuming too.
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  • Profile picture of the author KevinDasilva
    Hey Guys,

    I would also include...


    Content Sharing Sites
    1. Squidoo
    2. Hubpages
    3. The rest of em'

    Blogs
    1. Wordpress
    2. Blogger
    3. Typepad
    4. The rest of em'

    Blog Commenting
    Find the "Top Blogs" in your market and leave "VALUABLE COMMENTS" and as long as you don't spam you will get traffic, backlinks and become apart of the community.

    Communities/Forums
    I believe that using your "Real Name" as your User Id is much better in the long run, instead of using some "catchphrase" or something... Also use a "pic of You" instead of some avatar or cartoon.

    Hey do what you feel is right. But if you are trying to build your "personal brand"
    start by showing who your are...

    Video Sites
    1. YouTube
    2. Revver
    3. The rest of em'

    Social Profile Pages
    1. Twitter
    2. MySpace
    3. Facebook

    For the last 2 (MySpace & Facebook) find your communities/groups (or start your own).



    And for all of em' start giving away some great content for Free.

    I have been testing a lot of things lately and honestly, using these "Traffic Generations" (mentioned above) have taken care of the SEO for me without any additional work because they all rank high in Search Engine Results (Squidoo, Hubpages, YouTube, etc..)

    However, that in NO way means that SEO is no longer needed, but if your site is new and has little amount of "quality backlinks" then these "Web 2.0 Properties" (you can create for free) can all be linked back to your Money Site and because they are all "Authority Sites" it will start building those much needed backlinks....



    SEO

    I will add to some mentioned already...

    1. Anchor Text (like mentioned before), I would just add that you want to make your keyword the link AND DO THIS FOR EACH INDIVIDUAL PAGE ON YOUR SITE.

    Do NOT have all links pointing to your home page!

    2. Linking Structure, also mentioned above, just to go a little deeper I will give an example....

    Home Page links to "Apple Ipod" page which then links to "Apple Ipod Touch" which links to "Apple Ipod 8gb". Make each "tier" get a little more "long tail".

    3. Use "Related Terms" in your body. To do this you can get these "related terms" right from Google. Just do a a search for your "General Term" and then at the bottom of the Search Results page you will see "related searches".

    4. Keywords in Body- make sure you have them in your Title, Description, Head Tags (like mentioned already) and also put them in the First & Last paragraph...


    Some Tools and Resources that will save you a crazy amount of time...


    Social Bookmarking


    1. Onlywire.com which will save a "link" to 17 Social Bookmarking sites for you with 1 click.

    Video Submission

    1. TubeMogul.com works the same as Onlywire but for "submitting videos"
    2. Traffic Geyser.com which is a "Paid Service" but you can get a "Free Trial" (I am an affiliate if you need the link to the 30 day free trial) This is a great service... CHECK IT OUT!



    This is my .02 and hope it save you the long a** time to figure out for myself...


    Kevin D
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  • Profile picture of the author tommygadget
    Yes, I was going to say that I can't believe that you did not mention video. You advocate it in your ebooks if I recall correctly. Done right, this can get tons of traffic. Now I need to get a fool hat for my bff site video

    TomG.
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    • Profile picture of the author Thecatman
      I'd put JV's up at 10 steve..

      There really is no better (and faster!)
      way build relationships and get cash.
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      • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
        Originally Posted by Thecatman View Post

        I'd put JV's up at 10 steve..

        There really is no better (and faster!)
        way build relationships and get cash.
        A 10 is perfect. How are they perfect with the
        cons that I have listed, unless you are saying
        that those cons don't exist.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Originally Posted by tommygadget View Post

      Yes, I was going to say that I can't believe that you did not mention video. You advocate it in your ebooks if I recall correctly. Done right, this can get tons of traffic. Now I need to get a fool hat for my bff site video

      TomG.
      You're right, I forget video marketing.
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      • Profile picture of the author Magic Johnson
        I give you props for this post.

        It's well thought out and structured.


        I would say that Jv & affiliates if one are having
        a product of high quality is easily the
        fastest cash cow.s
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        • Profile picture of the author Keegahn
          PPV: 7
          Contextual advertising via PPC: 7, 8 if the ad is an image.
          Buying banner ads: 8
          Buying ad space in newsletters: 8

          My opinion on some that haven't been mentioned.
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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Buckley
    My two cents rePC:

    There is no faster way to drive huge volumes of traffic to your website than PPC on the first tier of search engines (Google, Yahoo, MSN, Ask.com and About.com). That being said, it bears repeating that there is a steep and expensive learning curve involved and it's not a good route for the inexperienced, faint of heart or those with thin wallets.

    The 'Big 5' mentioned in parentheses above account for 90% to 95% of all search queries in any given month.

    Did you know:

    That there is a 'second tier' of search engines that capture the remaining 5% to 10% of queries?

    That 5% to 10% of an estimated 30 billion searches to month is still a huge volume of searches?

    That many of these 'second tier' SE's also offer PPC style advertising? For pennies on the dollar of what the 'Big 5' charge?

    While the volume of traffic you can get from these search engines is a fraction of what, say, Google can deliver; the quality of it is exactly the same.

    This alternative means of PPC might be a good option for honing your PPC skills without losing your shirt and getting good quality traffic to your site while you're at it.

    I am a contractor for one of these 'second tier' networks (don't ask me which, I'm not posting to tout my own program) and I know exactly how effective it can be.

    Pros:

    Very inexpensive

    You can target the MOST valuable keywords in your niche with minimal competition, not just the obscure long-tails.

    The exact same quality of keyword-targeted visitors.

    Cons:

    There are some useless programs offered.

    There are some outright scams offered.

    If your niche is IM newbies, stick with the 'Big 5'. You need the traffic volume. The same goes for CPA.

    The best programs are only going to deliver a stream of visitors rather than the flood the 'Big 5' will deliver.
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  • Profile picture of the author NVMarketing
    I invested in IBusinessPromote, and it was the very best investment with amazing tools and insight to everything about getting your site in Google's Top Ten
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  • Profile picture of the author OmarNegron
    Great post!

    Article marketing has to be one of my favorites. The trick is...you have to stay CONSISTENT. It is not get rich over night.

    Some people write 10 articles and wait for traffic. Nope, that's not going to work.

    Also, social networks bring me traffic. Just have to learn how to do it the right way.

    Take care

    Omar!
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    • Profile picture of the author tomfra
      Regarding the "alternative PPCs" just as Paul Buckley mentioned a few posts above:

      I don't know how the situation looks like today but a few years ago I was using some of those, and was getting good results. Remember the times when GoTo/Overture was the #1 PPC and Google AdWords did not even exist? I guess most people do not realize this but PPC is not Google's invention. But then the same could be said about search engines...

      Anyway, some of the, nowadays, smaller PPC search engines apparently still exist so they may be worth a try. From those I had some good success with, 2 exist still - in one form or another:

      7Search.com
      FindWhat.com (now Miva.com)

      Most of the others vanished. I don't know how well those 2 work today but they could still be worth a try. And they don't have the dreaded Quality Score.

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  • Profile picture of the author ecoverartist
    Love the list Steven! Very insightful and well thought out.

    I want to add something. Don't just do one or two of these things and sit back and wait for results. Keep the ball rolling and try something else. That way you'll always have a steady stream of traffic from different places, and you can test and see which method works best for you.
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  • Profile picture of the author Robert Puddy
    Ok dodgy post here with my sig file... but lets see if I can earn the right to have it there

    First off everyone has a preferred way to drive traffic, and you cant be good at all of them, So best advice is get really great at one method and then dabble with some of the others.

    Everything works if you know how to leverage it, the problem is every method has a learning curve to get the best bang for your buck. Which is why you see posts here saying this method doesnt work or that method sucks etc.

    Keep an open mind try each out until you find one you can master completely, when you find that make it your expertise, and only when you have it mastered do you start to play around with some of the others.

    Robert
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  • Profile picture of the author Traffic_Is_King
    Good post Steve. I haven't had much luck with social bookmarking but what I found is that it is more than just submitting your links to the service. You actually have to get in there and start creating relationships with the community just like in here. Then when you submit your links you have a community of friends to pass it along.

    I truly believe in JV's but for it to work you have to be almost dominate in your niche and have a good amount of social proof, otherwise you will not get the big marketers that can launch you into stardom.

    You left out Twitter marketing. Please don't forget Twitter. Initially i thought twitter was really stupid until I realized how a huge word of mouth platform it can be. I've been on Twitter for a bit and I'm starting to realize how powerful Twitter really is. Imagine thousands of loyal followers waiting to read what your up to next. Then sending them to a video, blog post, social bookmark, etc. It's amazing once you know how to harness it.

    Keep up the good work!
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  • Profile picture of the author Samuel Lee
    Great post! I would definitely agree with everything you've posted about apart from the fact that SEO is heaps of work and unfortunately can be undone by search engine updates, primarily Google. This would particulary apply for the blackhat SEO techniques. I don't think the basics of on page SEO and the process of building solid backlinks to your site won't be obsolete for a long time. Hope this helps!
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