Should I use e-Junkie or Clickbank for my info products

13 years ago

Rob,

Clickbank does have a very large amount of affiliates that you can have seamless access to. With that, I admit, I've never actually used Clickbank to sell info products. I've always had a great experience integrating eJunkie with PayPal. Wish you the best,

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Alexa Smith

Banned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by RobCubbon

I'm wondering especially if you are more likely to get affiliate partners if you sell your product through Clickbank.

I'd say yes, if you're not a very well-known vendor with an existing list of affiliates to draw on.

Many serious affiliates tend to like the fact that at ClickBank, we're not dependent on the vendor for payment. That removes one of the added risks to us, and when we're applying our skills, energy, effort and time (and/or money) to promoting something, we like to have as few risks as possible.

I'd only promote an e-Junkie product from a vendor I know personally, or possibly someone who comes very highly recommended to me by people I trust and who clearly has a long and successful history of paying affiliates promptly and reliably.

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x3xsolxdierx3x 13 years ago

Rob,

eJunkie would also require you to keep tabs on your own affiliates, and pay them yourself after downloading your affiliate records. I believe that, in this respect, Clickbank actually pays your affiliates for you. Can anyone validate that?
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- Alexa Smith Banned 13 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by x3xsolxdierx3x
  
  Can anyone validate that?
  
  Yes indeed ... exactly so.
  
  ClickBank and DigiResults don't worry affiliates in this way, because our payments are automated and not dependent on the vendor.
  
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Valuable Solos

13 years ago

Yes, ClickBank is better if you want affiliates.

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rickdearr 13 years ago

Originally Posted by bluemanhand

Yes, ClickBank is better if you want affiliates.

ClickBank has allot of affiliates, but don't forget you should make great tools for them, outside of ClickBank to help them market your products. Banners, Swipe Emails...etc.

You will still want/need to recruit affiliates and JV's to help you grow bigger faster, and having your product on ClickBank will make it a no brainer for an Affiliate if they like your product, as stated by others, no worries on payments is a big plus. CB also handles refunds and protects you from "serial refunders", so you won't risk your paypal account that way either.

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GarrieWilson

13 years ago

Use both and others.

Personally, I just use clickank but if I wasn't lazy, I would setup sites for ClickBank, e-junkie, paydotcom, digi, etc.

I would only promote one in my affiliate center but use the others too.

As far as getting affiliiates with ClickBank, you won't get many without doing the work yourself. You will need it to climb in gravity.

Garrie

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Alexa Smith

Banned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by GarrieWilson

Use both

Please excuse a dissenting note, but I'd advise you strongly not to do that, because that - again - produces a "leak" which will immediately lose the interest of most of your serious potential affiliates.

The thing to bear in mind is that, typically, 10% of the affiliates tend to produce 90% of the affiliate-referred sales, and that while there can be "things a vendor can do that many affiliates don't even notice or care about or think through", the few vendors who do notice and do care about and do think through are all too often the ones who produce the bulk of the vendor's sales.

The reasons why this is such a bad idea are fully aired in this thread.

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GarrieWilson

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

Please excuse a dissenting note, but I'd advise you strongly not to do that, because that - again - produces a "leak" which will immediately lose the interest of most of your serious potential affiliates.

Umm. Wrong.

It does NOT cause a "leak" when done correctly.

Each program has it's own site. It's own domain. It's own order button.

product1.com goes on CB
product1.net on e-junkie
product-1.com on digi
etc.

There are no "leaks".

Garrie

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Alexa Smith

Banned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by GarrieWilson

Each program has it's own site. It's own domain. It's own order button.

product1.com goes on CB
product1.net on e-junkie
product-1.com on digi
etc.

Yes, I'm well aware of that, Garrie. It has nothing to do with the point being discussed here. The fact that each is a separate domain, separate site, separate sales page, separate order page and separate order button doesn't stop it from being a payment leak.

Originally Posted by GarrieWilson

There are no "leaks".

With respect, Garrie (and you know me well enough to know that I'm not saying that "just to be polite"), for once and very uncharacteristically, you've completely missed the point here. There's a potential payment leak. If you actually read the thread I've linked to, above, you'll see why immediately, as countless others have done every time it's been discussed here.

You may feel that it wouldn't stop you, as an affiliate, from promoting a product, of course. That is your right, clearly. But it remains simply factual that it does stop many serious affiliates. And there are many threads here in which many of them (us) explain why.

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GarrieWilson

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

Yes, I'm well aware of that, Garrie. It has nothing to do with the point being discussed here. The fact that each is a separate domain, separate site, separate sales page, separate order page and separate order button doesn't stop it from being a payment leak.

With respect, Garrie (and you know me well enough to know that I'm not saying that "just to be polite"), for once and very uncharacteristically, you've completely missed the point here. There's a potential payment leak. If you actually read the thread I've linked to, above, you'll see why immediately, as countless others have done every time it's been discussed here.

That thead you link to worries about something that doesn't matter in the grand scheme. It also seems to be based on opinion not fact.

If they search and find the sites? Umm Well, what if they search and find another person promoting it or offering a bonus. Oh no! A leak! :rolleyes:

What if it's a MRR product as many are on the networks? Again, a search will find another site.

These leaks you seem to be worried about are pointless and major vendors use multiple networks.

But if you are worried about them, a little PHP code and cookies can keep everything "sealed" and even put it all on the same domain.

Again, no leaks when done correctly.

-g

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Alexa Smith

Banned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by GarrieWilson

That thead you link to worries about something that doesn't matter in the grand scheme. It also seems to be based on opinion not fact.

It's a fact that this payment leak commonly prevents serious affiliates from promoting products, Garrie.

Of course it's opinion about "whether it matters".

The point I'm making is that losing 10% of the affiliates can also lose you 90% of the sales, because what matters to the vendor is the opinion of the minority of successful affiliates, not the others. I think this is pretty self-evidential and irrefutable, isn't it?

Originally Posted by GarrieWilson

Again, no leaks when done correctly.

On that point, we'll have to agree to differ, Garrie. But it doesn't matter what you and I think, in this thread ... it matters only what the serious affiliates who produce all the sales think, and whether they'll promote the product or not - which was why I thought it might be kind to mention to this potential vendor that he can lose a lot of business that way, exactly as so many have others have done until they've realised why and corrected it (as they've explained here). And have a good weekend.

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Matt Morgan 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

The point I'm making is that losing 10% of the affiliates can also lose you 90% of the sales

I am not on anyone’s side, and you are both right in your ways.

The thing is, with that 10% it would depend on each of the individual affiliates in that 10% of affiliates,
some of them would reject the promotion of that product as it would be on many other sites as 'leaks' but some of them might even consider to promote it as that product would fit their niche like a glove, (even if they new that the product was on other sites as leaks),

These who would choose to promote it might disregard that it is on other sites. Being on other sites won't make the quality more poor, but it might loose the affiliate, so it would work on the individual affiliate basis.

But you are both right in your ways
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GarrieWilson

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

On that point, we'll have to agree to differ, Garrie. But it doesn't matter what you and I think, in this thread ... it matters only what the serious affiliates who produce all the sales think, and whether they'll promote the product or not - which was why I thought it might be kind to mention to this potential vendor that he can lose a lot of business that way, exactly as so many have others have done until they've realised why and corrected it (as they've explained here). And have a good weekend.

It can be done w/ out the type of leaks you seem to worry about. Easily.

Look at HG. They have some HUGE affiliates and HG is in two networks. Do you think it's hurting them? Of course not. Of course they are

The affiliates your talking about are on this forum. Hardly a big enough pool.

My solution brings in the random affiliates from multiple network. Also, if an affiliate is doing their job, it's not a issue.

I'd worry more about people using their own CB ID than if someone might google, might find a different domain, might _____.

So if youre going to mention leaks, mention ones that matter. The CB leak. It's a bigger issue than the other.

-g

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CDarklock

13 years ago

Originally Posted by GarrieWilson

There are no "leaks".

The leak is called "search engines."

Whenever I go to a sales page that looks slick and well-designed and is selling an inexpensive product, the first thing I do is plug the product name into Bing. The next thing I do is plug the sales page headline into Bing. And the third thing I do is plug much of the first paragraph into Bing.

Because in my experience, many of these products are available for less elsewhere.

I have frequently gotten a promotion in my mailbox for a $67 product which the three searches above (and usually just the first one) turns up the same product with MRR on TradeBit.com for $1.50 - and when I buy and download that, I find that the sales page comes out of the archive with a $67 price tag.

Your potential superaffiliates don't just know this trick, they think everybody knows this trick. So it's part of their product selection process: can I find this product elsewhere, in an area where I would not get a commission? Because people are going to look.

Well, not really. Most people don't bother. But everyone thinks the rest of the world is a lot like them, even when they're not even remotely normal.

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GarrieWilson

13 years ago

Originally Posted by CDarklock

The leak is called "search engines."

Whenever I go to a sales page that looks slick and well-designed and is selling an inexpensive product, the first thing I do is plug the product name into Bing. The next thing I do is plug the sales page headline into Bing. And the third thing I do is plug much of the first paragraph into Bing.

Because in my experience, many of these products are available for less elsewhere.

I have frequently gotten a promotion in my mailbox for a $67 product which the three searches above (and usually just the first one) turns up the same product with MRR on TradeBit.com for $1.50 - and when I buy and download that, I find that the sales page comes out of the archive with a $67 price tag.

Your potential superaffiliates don't just know this trick, they think everybody knows this trick. So it's part of their product selection process: can I find this product elsewhere, in an area where I would not get a commission? Because people are going to look.

Well, not really. Most people don't bother. But everyone thinks the rest of the world is a lot like them, even when they're not even remotely normal.

That's for MRR products. That type of "leak" happens when a person is only using one payment method.

We was talking about selling a product WE create on multiple sites. Alexa was saying that super affiliates wouldnt promote because buyers would google it and find the other sites (owned by the seller) and purchase not giving them credit.

I said that doesnt matter in the larger scheme and can be solved, mostly, with PHP. That being in multiple networks is better, overall.

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CDarklock

13 years ago

Originally Posted by GarrieWilson

That's for MRR products. That type of "leak" happens when a person is only using one payment method.

No, that's for products which are on multiple sites. That type of "leak" happens when you have the same product available on more than one sales page. They LOOK for it because people selling MRR products have taught them to look for it, but it's being on multiple sites that causes the leak.

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GarrieWilson

13 years ago

Originally Posted by CDarklock

No, that's for products which are on multiple sites. That type of "leak" happens when you have the same product available on more than one sales page. They LOOK for it because people selling MRR products have taught them to look for it, but it's being on multiple sites that causes the leak.

If you read all of my posts, I said that issue could be solved with PHP and cookies. You could also put all the different order buttons on the same pagge and call the correct one as needed.

The type of "leak" you and Alexa are talking about can be easily dealt with.

Again, no leak if it's done correctly.

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CDarklock 13 years ago

Originally Posted by GarrieWilson

If you read all of my posts, I said that issue could be solved with PHP and cookies.

Well, no. No, it can't. Because let's look at your idea.

I would only promote one in my affiliate center but use the others too.

When Alexa pointed out that this has a leak, you responded:

Each program has it's own site. It's own domain. It's own order button.

product1.com goes on CB
product1.net on e-junkie
product-1.com on digi

When I pointed out that this still has a leak, you responded:

That's for MRR products.

And now, you're saying it can be resolved with PHP and cookies.

You do not understand the problem.

The problem is that this looks like you're trying to rip off your affiliates. All it takes is one CB affiliate to go to your site from a new computer and see a Digi or E-Junkie button, and that person is going to start asking questions.

Those questions are going to be hard for you to answer, because you don't understand the problem. So every time you try to reassure your affiliates, you're just going to make them more suspicious.

You can't create new trust with PHP and cookies.
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Paleochora

13 years ago

Going back to the OP...

Also check out Payspree. I have only had good experiences with it.

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CDarklock

13 years ago

Originally Posted by RobCubbon

I'm wondering especially if you are more likely to get affiliate partners if you sell your product through Clickbank.

Yes.

E-Junkie's affiliate system has a few problems, from the affiliate's perspective.

Foremost among these is that you don't get your commissions until they're paid out, which the vendor does manually.

Some vendors are not very punctual about this.

Furthermore, there just plain aren't a lot of good products to promote on E-Junkie, so a lot of people don't see the point in signing up.

As a vendor, I wouldn't recommend E-Junkie's affiliate program.

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tristatemedia

13 years ago

i use clickbank but with digiresults, you get paid right away as for clickbank you have to wait.
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Sandi Valentine

13 years ago

I'm with Caliban on the e-junkie affiliate experience. It's clunky and a general pain in the rear. I don't do much affiliate marketing any more, but when I did, I avoided programs done through their site like the plague. If you're planning on promoting with affiliates, I'd go with Clickbank. If you're running a WSO, Twitter promotions, sales from your own site, etc., e-junkie's really easy to integrate with PayPal and upload products to - especially if you're new to the process.

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JanesJJ

13 years ago

I use always Clickbank for my Info products.

I can get a lot of Affilaites just to be on Clickbank Marketplace.

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rahuljain198061

13 years ago

Alexa ,Do you sleep or not ?
Almost in every post,i find your long helpful article .How did you manage to write so much.
Do Not take it in negative way dear.
Second DO you know that you are at first place in google on typing alexa smith

Originally Posted by RobCubbon

I am about to sell my first eBook from my site and I want to know which is the best way to sell them.

Does anyone have an opinion on this?

At OP
i will suggest to sell your ebook on your website through CPA affliate.
This way your website will get traffic and this will auto improve your search engine rankings.Fix a commision something like 10% and list your website in CJ or maxbounty .
and then contact there support if you want any help.

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Mark Jordan

13 years ago

If you're looking for affiliates, I think Clickbank is better. But why limit it to clickbank? If you can, go try e-junkie and other sites as well.

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RobCubbon 13 years ago

Thank you for all your advice, guys.

Really great advice there.
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esk

13 years ago

I started out with paypal but I switched to clickbank. Your fees will be lower with paypal but I have to say Clickbank is worth it.

Just by having my product in the marketplace I got allot of affiliates.

I also recommend you to try to get affiliates by yourself.

But the sales from your affiliates with be much much much more then the fee differences.

So I suggest you to go with clickbank