IS MLM Back In Style?

Blase · 12-31-2008, 12:19 PM

Hi,

Disclaimer: I am not a member I don’t know anything about their products
or services, this is just my opinion.

I am amazed at the number of emails I am getting about the latest
and greatest MLM, Web Prosperity.

It seems to me that not long ago everybody was putting MLM down, I guess its’
back in fashion.

I have been in MLM, I actually got my income up to around $4,000 per month.

Here is the part I didn’t think about before I worked my backside off.

If I put all of those hours in to the job I had at the time I would have made
more money. You have to recruit to make money and recruiting is selling and
99% of the population hate to sell and hate sales people.

The 80/20 rule applies. Look at any MLM, example...
1st level 100,000 members
2nd level 20,000 members
3rd level 4,000 members
4th level 800 members
5th level 160 members
6th level 32 members
7th level 6.5 members

If you look at any established MLM this is going to be very close.
How far up do you think you'll get? The odds work against you.

If you want to make money in MLM sell books, tapes, CDs’, DVDs’,
seminars, teleseminars, and so forth on how to make money in MLM.

Or start your own.

These are just my opinions based on my experience.

I would love to hear your thoughts.

David Frey · 12-31-2008, 09:53 PM

Blase,

This is David Frey. It's great to hear from you. You
and I go way back.

Not only am I proponent of MLM, I believe it's one of
the best and fastest ways available today to start a
legitimate home based business.

But you need to pick a solid company that has a product
that resonates with you, that you can fall in love
with. It's hard to successfully sell something that you
don't deeply believe in.

Here's why I believe in multi level marketing.

1. MLM is nothing more than affiliate marketing on
steroids. If you're an internet marketer, you have
probably done some form of affiliate marketing. Multi
level marketing simply has more than levels than a two-
tier affiliate program.

2. Multilevel marketing offers true leverage. You can
benefit from the sales and product usage of people many
levels below you with no effort on your part. You work
hard to create your first level (much like an IM
affiliate program) and then train them to duplicate
your success. With time, you'll be making money from
people that you've never met. That's leverage.

3. MLM companies usually provide very simple marketing
systems. You don't have to master web development,
hosting, domains, autoresponders, video editing,
copywriting etc. like you do in IM. You simply tell
people about your product and teach them to do the same
thing. Very simple.

4. Multilevel marketing is based off of good ole
referral marketing (sharing products and service
recommendations with your friends). Referral marketing
is the world's most effective marketing method. Period.
And that's all MLM really is.

5. A lot of MLM companies go under. This is true. But
I've seen just as many internet marketing products,
services, and companies go down as well. And I've seen
just as many scams in the internet marketing industry
as I have in the MLM industry. (In fact, a LOT more!)

6. And you say that the average person doesn't make
much money in MLM. Uhhh, the average person doesn't
make much money in internet marketing either. I believe
the percentage that make money (or don't make money)
in MLM versus internet marketing is about the same. And
it has nothing to do with it being a scam. It has everything
to do with people's work habits, commitment and drive
to succeed.

7. The only reason a person doesn't like MLM is because
(1) they haven't found a product that truly resonates
with them and (2) you haven't made a lot of money in
MLM. When those two things happen, you'll love it.

One of the businesses that I run is a distributorship
in an MLM company. I've done it for 3 years. My income
this month from that distributorship is about 4 times
what I used to make as a Senior Vice President in a
$500 Million dollar company. And it's PASSIVE
RESIDUAL!. I vacationed nearly this entire month with
my family.

The income from my MLM distributorship allowed me to
spend the entire summer in Costa Rica with my little
family (working only 2 hours a day).

Now you might say, "Yes, but you are a great marketer.
Most people can't duplicate your skills."

The # 1 guy in my MLM company doesn't know squat about
marketing. Nothing. But he is a great networker. That
guy made more last month than I made in an entire year
as a well paid executive in the corporate world (I'm
the # 2 earner in the company).

So, if you pick the right company that has a great
product (i.e. a product that could stand on it's own in
the marketplace WITHOUT the MLM marketing model
attached to it) and the right sponsor (someone who's
been there and done it) and you have the drive and
tenacity to be successful (like you have to have in any
venture that you start), then you can do extremely well
in MLM.

David Frey

Steven Wagenheim · 12-31-2008, 10:00 PM

David makes some very good points.

I am actually involved in several MLM companies but only because they
offer real products with real solutions to problems.

I will never join an MLM program that is nothing more than just get people
to sign up under you with no real product.

As with any other business, it involves 2 basic things.

1. Promotion
2. Building relationships.

You need to run a professional operation or you won't succeed.

Having said that, I'd rather create my own unique products and services
where I don't have to worry about 3000 other people promoting the same
MLM that I am. I'd prefer to have my own products and have other
affiliates promote them.

That's why MLM is not my main business model.

But if you find a good company with a good product that solves a real
problem, you can do fairly well.

That's my personal and experienced opinion on the matter.

Kevin Riley · 12-31-2008, 10:03 PM

Blase

I haven't been involved in any MLM since the early 90s. I got in on this one due to a friend's recommendation. He knows a lot about the people behind it.

I don't look at it as MLM or not. That's just a distribution method. What I liked here is the whole Internet system setup they have. Yes, I'll promote this to others -- because I'm going to use it myself (especially the meeting facility).

MLM has gotten a bad rep over the years, but by itself it is just another marketing channel -- just like Internet marketing. It's the companies that have used it improperly (playing just on the downline building aspect, not on delivering a real product) that have besmirched it. Since I see a good product here, I'm ready to get involved.

Tsnyder · 12-31-2008, 10:58 PM

Blase...

Count me as another proponent of MLM... I've been involved
since 1972 and have earned a very good living from residuals
developed many years ago.

I posted this in another thread... you may find it interesting.
It's a free report... no opt-in... no sales pitch... no back end...
no funnel... just a free report for download...

MLM Myths and Truths

Tsnyder

Blase · 01-01-2009, 06:29 AM

Hi David,

It has been a long time.

I saw that you had a nice long island
vacation. You were there with a few other
marketers weren't you?

I haven't forgotten what you are
doing with send out cards.

I see that you've been on the forum
since 2007, so you must be aware
of the offline marketing rush that is
going on.

SOC, is a perfect fit and would be
another great product for any
local marketer to have.

Are you at the same address and phone number?

Take care,
Blase

Blase · 01-01-2009, 06:37 AM

Kevin,

I had no idea you were in Web Prosperity.

I also had a disclaimer at the beginning of my post.

I was more interested in how things go in and out
of fashion.

MLM was really hot then you didn't hear about it
now I am starting to hear about a number of them
again.

Take care,
Blase

Blase · 01-01-2009, 06:48 AM

Steve,

I agree with everything you said.

There was one thing that David said that I don't
think is totally accurate.

"1. MLM is nothing more than affiliate marketing on
steroids. If you're an internet marketer, you have
probably done some form of affiliate marketing. Multi
level marketing simply has more than levels than a two-
tier affiliate program."

In most cases when you are an affiliate marketer you are focusing more
on selling a product than signing up more affiliates.

In most cases when you are an MLM marketer you are focusing more
on signing up people than selling a product.

Again, I am not saying that's what David does or Web Prosperity, I am saying in general
and based on the many many meetings I've been to the training is "sell the dream," use the product.

Steve, congratulations on a terrific December.

Blase

Blase · 01-01-2009, 07:05 AM

Tsnyder,

Obviously Pre-Paid Legal has done it right.

But, correct me if I am wrong didn't they
have a few major problems along the way?

How did that affect your income?

I think that one of the biggest dangers in
MLM is the model.

You are running your business, doing everything right,
making money, and growing your business.

Then some wing nut that's a distributor in the same MLM
your in does something very stupid or very illegal.

Next thing you know your company is in the news, in court,
and out of business. There goes all of your good honest hard
work.

Even Amway has been to court more than once.

You've made a life long commitment to what you are doing and
to you business. You and David are the kind of sponsors a person
should sign up under if the want to pursue a career in MLM.

Thanks for your post,
Blase

MaskedMarketer · 01-01-2009, 07:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blase

"1. MLM is nothing more than affiliate marketing on
steroids. If you're an internet marketer, you have
probably done some form of affiliate marketing. Multi
level marketing simply has more than levels than a two-
tier affiliate program."

In most cases when you are an affiliate marketer you are focusing more
on selling a product than signing up more affiliates.

In most cases when you are an MLM marketer you are focusing more
on signing up people than selling a product.

I think what you both say is accurate depending on your perspective.

I think the smarter affiliate/info marketers out there do network and recruit. That's what seminars and conferences are for. Some people say networking at the right seminar made all the difference in there business.

Whatever the case is, affiliate marketing, network marketing, MLM, all great things. Thank you internet

btw- is anyone familiar with the MLM program I see on TV infomercials selling Health, beauty products, and books (like "What The Credit Card Companies Don't Want You To Know?") They do infomercials and when people call the hotline it goes directly to a distributor of the company...

I forgot the name, but does anyone have any experience with what im talking about?

Blase · 01-01-2009, 07:18 AM

Masked Marketer,

I agree and I did say "in most cases".:-)

I have a DVR, so I don't watch commercials
sorry I can't help you with that one.

That is one scary mask by the way.

Take care,
Blase

MaskedMarketer · 01-01-2009, 07:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blase

Masked Marketer,

I have a DVR, so I don't watch commercials
sorry I can't help you with that one.

Looks like I need to catch up on technology !

And I did find the concept interesting.

When someone orders from an infomercial on TV, the order and payment goes to the MLM distributor. And they have infomercials to get you more distributors in your downline. Sure beats naming friends and family!

Blase · 01-01-2009, 07:38 AM

Masked Marketer,

As far as the DVR is concerned all I can say is
I wish these were around when I had young
children.

When they were young I'd be watching a show
and of course 5 minutes before it's over one
of them would come running in "dad" "dad",
so you miss the ending.

I know TV, for the most part, is a waste of time.
So a DVR makes 1 hour show 40 minutes and 1/2
hour show 17 to 20 minutes, I love it.

I have a very close friend that works in the MLM
industry. He is not in MLM he sells MLM company's
a complete custom designed turnkey recruiting
machine for their business.

They use every form of media available including TV
as a part of the machine. Then the distributor pays
a monthly fee to the MLM to use the so called machine.

The lead generation statistics are staggering!

You can buy leads of different types and qty's at different
price points.

We have lunch once a month and I have sworn to keep my
mouth shut, but I can tell you this guy has never
recruited a single person and makes a fortune from MLM.

Good luck,
Blase

bgmacaw · 01-01-2009, 07:59 AM

Let me inject a more negative view of MLM's. I've been involved with a few of them over the years, including some of the big names that begin with 'A', 'H', 'M' and 'P'. I've found them to be complete and total ripoffs that take advantage of well-meaning, business naive, financially desperate people.

They destroy relationships with friends and business/church/community associates.

They cause marital strife and conflict and even divorce.

They're more conducive to developing crushing debt and financial problems than providing an income, much less financial freedom level income.

They rarely sell worthwhile products and even when they're worthwhile they're dreadfully overpriced as compared to competing products.

They make unrealistic promises as to income and potential.

New recruits are typically encouraged to "fake it until the make it" to sell the opportunity.

The business model is centered around taking advantage of people, "churn and burn" recruits.

If anyone asks me if they should get involved in a MLM I paraphrase Marty the blackjack dealer from Vegas Vacation: "Here's an idea: Why don't you give me half the money your were gonna spend on joining a MLM, then we'll go out back, I'll kick you in the nuts, and we'll call it a day!"

Melody · 01-01-2009, 08:02 AM

MLM never went out of style - as mentioned previously it's just a distribution method - but it also taught me the best lesson I EVER learned in business: don't touch anything that doesn't give you RESIDUAL INCOME!!

I am also looking at WP right now - it's been on my 'check it out' list since before the holidays - interesting to see it pop up here.

MLM is just a business strategy and as such - there are companies that do it well - and there are companies that royally screw it up....kind of like affiliate marketing - but the profit potential with a well run and managed MLM are usually far greater than with the average affiliate program.

Melody

Melody · 01-01-2009, 08:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bgmacaw

Let me inject a more negative view of MLM's. I've been involved with a few of them over the years, including some of the big names that begin with 'A', 'H', 'M' and 'P'. I've found them to be complete and total ripoffs that take advantage of well-meaning, business naive, financially desperate people.

They destroy relationships with friends and business/church/community associates.

They cause marital strife and conflict and even divorce.

They're more conducive to developing crushing debt and financial problems than providing an income, much less financial freedom level income.

They rarely sell worthwhile products and even when they're worthwhile they're dreadfully overpriced as compared to competing products.

They make unrealistic promises as to income and potential.

New recruits are typically encouraged to "fake it until the make it" to sell the opportunity.

The business model is centered around taking advantage of people, "churn and burn" recruits.

If anyone asks me if they should get involved in a MLM I paraphrase Marty the blackjack dealer from Vegas Vacation: "Here's an idea: Why don't you give me half the money your were gonna spend on joining a MLM, then we'll go out back, I'll kick you in the nuts, and we'll call it a day!"

Wow - we have definitely had very, very different experiences in MLM!!

Seriously - any company that sells the opportunity over the product is just barely operating legally.

I have never been involved with a company unless I personally used and could endorse the products or services, and with the exception of one company - my overall experience has been very positive.

Again - MLM is just a way of doing business - you cannot paint the entire industry black based on a few companies any more than you can say all affiliate programs are bad because you spent money on PPC and didn't make any sales!

Melody

MaskedMarketer · 01-01-2009, 08:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blase

I have a very close friend that works in the MLM
industry. He is not in MLM he sells MLM company's
a complete custom designed turnkey recruiting
machine for their business.

Lead gen business will never go out of style!

Do you happen to know of any good MLM/network marketing companies you could recommend or point me in a good direction? Also, what about purchasing leads for MLM/ home business opps? You can pm if you wish,

Thanks Blase

[/quote]

Quote:

Originally Posted by bgmacaw

Let me inject a more negative view of MLM's.

They destroy relationships with friends and business/church/community associates.

They cause marital strife and conflict and even divorce.

They're more conducive to developing crushing debt and financial problems than providing an income, much less financial freedom level income.

They make unrealistic promises as to income and potential.

New recruits are typically encouraged to "fake it until the make it" to sell the opportunity.

The business model is centered around taking advantage of people, "churn and burn" recruits.

what you say above, is actually in a lot of "IM" and business in general. MLM isn't the only business model that destroys families, ect...

fred67 · 01-01-2009, 08:46 AM

MLM always thrives in times of recession. Late '80's saw a massive surge in really good MLM programmes. Had the technology we have today been around then we'd have seen a very different world. The sort of world that Richard Branson and Bill Gates are trying to build today.

To all of the MLM nay-sayers, take a look into your own business operations mirror. You'll find that one way or another you're using the MLM concept.

'JV'ers are particularly critical, but they, (above all others) use the MLM concept more than any other marketing stratedgy known to man. They just hate the thought that 'you' realise it, so they attack it whenever they can.

No. At present I'm not involved with any MLM programme, but maybe I should EH?

Pete.

fred67 · 01-01-2009, 08:56 AM

Does anyone know of any good fairly fresh MLM opportunities here in the UK??

Thanks in anticipation - Pete.

tranquility · 01-01-2009, 09:17 AM

I'm a distributor for a candle MLM business. I only do it part-time, but I really love it. The products are top-notch, fitting in nicely with today's "green" movement as they're 100% vegetable wax, and practically sell themselves - and believe me, I'm NO salesman!

The website in my sig is one I'm developing to promote that business, but I'm approaching it differently. I'm not building the site to specifically promote the MLM, but I'm building it to help anyone interested in a home candle business, whether they make their own candles or buy wholesale. That way I can monetize it in other ways as well, and my business isn't tied to that company should something happen to them (which I don't foresee, they're very strong and debt-free).

I'm not making a large income yet because I don't work it that way. But I enjoy it just the same and love the products.

I think if you truly enjoy and use the products (and there MUST be products or it's just a pyramid scheme) then MLM is a great way to build a business.

Just my .02.

Debbie

Mark Kaye · 01-01-2009, 10:26 AM

I think MLM is hands down the best way to market and promote a business.

If done properly you can earn a bundle. If you build and support a strong downline of individuals then you also have the ability to increase your income while decreasing your workload.

The problem most people run into is that they recruit customers for the product not the opportunity. If you recruit customers of the product then you will have a nice steady income, but it will not grow unless you continually grow your customer base.

If you can find and recruit customers for the opportunity your MLM provides then you will grow your income exponentially!

Easier said then done...I know.

bgmacaw · 01-01-2009, 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Kaye

The problem most people run into is that they recruit customers for the product not the opportunity.

I understand that there's this guy in New York that is really good at recruiting people for an opportunities like this and he's out of work right now. His name is Bernard Madoff. Maybe you should get him in your downline.

David Frey · 01-01-2009, 12:48 PM

Blase,

Here is one the things that I love most about network marketing.

If you don't help people to become successful, then you'll never
make a dime.

MLM is about helping others become successful, both financially
and as a person.

When you see all these big product launches in the IM industry
do you really think that these guys care about whether you're
successful using their product?

__________________________________________________ ______

Disclaimer: Most of these guys are my personal friends so I might
be stepping on my toes here.
__________________________________________________ _______

No. They care about how much money they made on the launch.

Their success is NOT tied to the success of their customers using
their product or service.

Now, I'm not saying that is wrong, but I AM SAYING THERE IS A
BETTER WAY.

The home based IM business model is exactly opposite of network marketing.

In Network Marketing, to make a lot of money, you HAVE to help
others become successful too. If you don't, you don't make money.

It's the fairest and most ethical form of profiteering there is.

And in another post in this thread, someone said that MLM is just
about "selling the dream."

My answer to that is...what business opportunity is not about selling
the dream?

IM is the biggest "seller of the dream" there is!!!!

In IM you'll see people making the biggest and most outlandish income
claims. (i.e. I make $100,000 a day and you can too.) And yes, the FTC
calls that an "implied" income claim.

Talk about "selling the dream." IM'ers take it to the extreme.

You won't see that in any legitimate MLM because the FTC forbids it.
(and I wish they would come down on the IM industry as well and
clean it up a bit.)

Hope this helps.

David Frey

valerieSONORA · 01-01-2009, 01:01 PM

I have heard of some MLM horror stories which make me stay far away. But to each his or her own.

But I know there are good opportunities out there. You just have to find the right ones for you and watch out for the shady ones. I guess some shady companies can cast a bad light on MLM in general.

Like the "opportunities" which have no real product or service but is just basically a pyramid where only the ones on top get rich at the expense of everyone at the bottom. I really don't know how they can even operate legally where you just sell nothing but the same "opportunity" you were sold.

But there are companies out there that do offer real products and real services that are nothing like the shady companies.

I guess just do your due diligence as always.

Tsnyder · 01-01-2009, 10:07 PM

Blase...

I'm not involved with Pre-Paid Legal. I cited them in the report as
an example of a company who's top earner joined when the company
was more than 20 years old... to debunk the myth that the only
people who make big money in MLM are those who join in the beginning.

Tsnyder

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blase

Tsnyder,

Obviously Pre-Paid Legal has done it right.

But, correct me if I am wrong didn't they
have a few major problems along the way?

How did that affect your income?

I think that one of the biggest dangers in
MLM is the model.

You are running your business, doing everything right,
making money, and growing your business.

Then some wing nut that's a distributor in the same MLM
your in does something very stupid or very illegal.

Next thing you know your company is in the news, in court,
and out of business. There goes all of your good honest hard
work.

Even Amway has been to court more than once.

You've made a life long commitment to what you are doing and
to you business. You and David are the kind of sponsors a person
should sign up under if the want to pursue a career in MLM.

Thanks for your post,
Blase

Tsnyder · 01-01-2009, 10:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bgmacaw

Let me inject a more negative view of MLM's. I've been involved with a few of them over the years, including some of the big names that begin with 'A', 'H', 'M' and 'P'. I've found them to be complete and total ripoffs that take advantage of well-meaning, business naive, financially desperate people.

They destroy relationships with friends and business/church/community associates.

They cause marital strife and conflict and even divorce.

They're more conducive to developing crushing debt and financial problems than providing an income, much less financial freedom level income.

They rarely sell worthwhile products and even when they're worthwhile they're dreadfully overpriced as compared to competing products.

They make unrealistic promises as to income and potential.

New recruits are typically encouraged to "fake it until the make it" to sell the opportunity.

The business model is centered around taking advantage of people, "churn and burn" recruits.

If anyone asks me if they should get involved in a MLM I paraphrase Marty the blackjack dealer from Vegas Vacation: "Here's an idea: Why don't you give me half the money your were gonna spend on joining a MLM, then we'll go out back, I'll kick you in the nuts, and we'll call it a day!"

I've never seen an MLM company do, or encourage, the things you posted.
I have seen plenty of people do them... sounds to me like you got involved
with the wrong people. You should have chosen more wisely.

Tsnyder

bgmacaw · 01-01-2009, 10:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tsnyder

I've never seen an MLM company do, or encourage, the things you posted.

You must not be looking very close.

MLM Survivor
Merchants of Deception

myob · 01-01-2009, 10:57 PM

Has MLM really ever gone out of "style"? The concept of MLM is a legitimate business marketing model and is in fact taught in most business colleges. I have been involved in a major nutritional and health MLM company for over 22 years. It has given me a lifestyle that would have been unattainable in any other business or profession. The residual income has allowed me to make investments, and even to start several successful online businesses that required many months of capital infusion to get off the ground. It seems that the MLM failures are making the most noise, while the rest of us are just quietly bringing in the six-figure monthly residual incomes.

cypherslock · 01-01-2009, 11:00 PM

MLM is no a bad system. IF one puts in the work and BELIEVES IN and USES the product. If you use the product and love it, you will be able to find others that do the same. It is from those that you can begin to build your network. Customers make the best sales people. And frankly anyone that buys the "instant wealth" promise that the more shady companies espouse DESERVES to have their ass handed to them.

Lance K · 01-01-2009, 11:09 PM

David, great to see you here!

For anyone who doesn't know David...GET ON HIS LIST. When you do, you'll hold anyone else whose list you're on to a higher standard.

Hope to see you around a little more often, David.

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Frey

This is David Frey.

Also, back on topic...I know which MLM David is talking about and it's a genius concept. It's very valuable to a lot of people. And the best target prospects are B2B people who understand the power and leverage of the offer.

bgmacaw · 01-01-2009, 11:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by myob

Has MLM really ever gone out of "style"? The concept of MLM is a legitimate business marketing model and is in fact taught in most business colleges. I have been involved in a major nutritional and health MLM company for over 22 years. It has given me a lifestyle that would have been unattainable in any other business or profession. The residual income has allowed me to make investments, and even to start several successful online businesses that required many months of capital infusion. It seems that the MLM failures are making the most noise, while the rest of us are just quietly bringing in the six-figure monthly residual incomes.

Same tired old BS I heard 30 years ago when somebody tried to get me in Amway. And again a few years later with Herbalife and Primerica. They all have this same spiel, "legitimate business model", "6 figure residual income", sell the lifestyle and, if a prospect is skeptical, they or the people who told them about the significant problems in the MLM business model are failures or losers.

myob · 01-01-2009, 11:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bgmacaw

Same tired old BS I heard 30 years ago when somebody tried to get me in Amway. And again a few years later with Herbalife and Primerica. They all have this same spiel, "legitimate business model", "6 figure residual income", sell the lifestyle and, if a prospect is skeptical, they or the people who told them about the significant problems in the MLM business model are failures or losers.

Yep, that's pretty much the same spiel I have been using for 22 years.
You lost 3 times - Amway, Herbalife, Primerica. Next ...

bgmacaw · 01-01-2009, 11:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by myob

Yep, that's pretty much the same spiel I have been using for 22 years.
You lost 3 times - Amway, Herbalife, Primerica. Next ...

Yes, I lost out on being ripped off by folks like you 3 times. I'm so sad I didn't fork over my hard earned money for membership kits, overpriced and inferior products that legitimate consumers would never buy and useless and very expensive business building tools and conferences so that someone like you could enjoy a "6 figure residual income" at my expense.

Maybe you're different but the people I've seen involved in MLM's, especially those at higher levels, are two-faced and greedy people who remind me of this

Henry Rollins song

.

fred67 · 01-02-2009, 03:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by myob

Has MLM really ever gone out of "style"? It seems that the MLM failures are making the most noise, while the rest of us are just quietly bringing in the six-figure monthly residual incomes.

That just about hits the nail on the head. Especially through this thread.

Well said. Long may you prosper :-)

Pete.

Bakai · 01-02-2009, 04:24 AM

I think MLM may be making a comeback, especially with those new amway commercials advising viewers to seek out an independent sales rep. Plus people are now more desparate than ever to make extra money.

MaskedMarketer · 01-02-2009, 07:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by myob

It seems that the MLM failures are making the most noise,

it always seems to be that way. I happen to know many successful people in Amway which have only been doing it for 5-10 years and have already replaced a high 6 figure income from there job...

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Originally Posted by bgmacaw

Same tired old BS I heard 30 years ago when somebody tried to get me in Amway. And again a few years later with Herbalife and Primerica.

Its not for everyone. You sound like a failure anyway

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Originally Posted by dennishardy

It all comes down to the products....quality products that people want and need.

I wouldn't consider being a part of an organization that stressed selling the business opportunity over the product.

Dennis

The system is just as important as the product. No system, no duplication, replication, ect...

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Originally Posted by valerieSONORA

I have heard of some MLM horror stories which make me stay far away. But to each his or her own.

There are plenty of horror stories in business and that includes "IM" too.

4morereferrals · 01-02-2009, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Lance K

David, great to see you here!

For anyone who doesn't know David...GET ON HIS LIST. When you do, you'll hold anyone else whose list you're on to a higher standard.

Hope to see you around a little more often, David.

Also, back on topic...I know which MLM David is talking about and it's a genius concept. It's very valuable to a lot of people. And the best target prospects are B2B people who understand the power and leverage of the offer.

David's the man ...

Glad I came across his site and saw the concept. I couldnt get my CC out fast enough. It was just what my OFFLINE biz needed, and still needs every day - that's what makes it such a brilliant tool/business/vehicle.

It'd sell and be used without the MLM component - In fact I used it in/for my business for quite a while before REALLY trying to affiliate market it.

The first ever B2B MLM that business owners need and want - AND - seem to be willing to BUY :-) Its NOT Ma & Pa in the garage with a shelf full of soap/hope or a miracle juice that cures everything from warts to pancreatic cancer!

Its Online, in demand, drop dead simple - and solves a significant business problem ... at a cost that is far lower than any other alternative. Oh yeah ... the business is < 6 yrs old - not even at momentum phase - but headed there.

Thanks David ...

All the best,

Steve

TLTheLiberator · 01-02-2009, 11:30 AM

No income model has broken more hearts than mlm and the recruiting people stuff.

FYI:

99% of people involved with mlm never make any money!

If there ever was a plan built to take advantage of lazyness and greed mlm is it.

Ps. The owners of the programs are laughing all the way to the bank.

Conclusion: If you want success - stay away from MLM.

TL

Ps. Please acknowledge you've been warned.

MaskedMarketer · 01-02-2009, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator

If there ever was a plan built to take advantage of lazyness and greed mlm is it.

Ps. The owners of the programs are laughing all the way to the bank.

Not too far off the "IM" crowd either...

myob · 01-02-2009, 12:16 PM

MLM, just as in any business, requires a particular mindset. Those who don't truly understand this mindset label it as for the "lazy" or "greedy". But those who are successful in any field whether in sales, MLM, IM, or other businesses achieved their level of success because they are ambitious, goal oriented, motivated, and driven. This all can be learned, and you must change or you will never achieve your full potential.

I surround myself with people who are much more successful than I am. It is really true if you set for yourself lofty dreams and goals, and surround yourself with people of similar aspirations, the opportunities will come to achieve those goals. For me, it came as MLM. You can never achieve success by listening to failures and losers. If you want to succeed, listen to the ones who have achieved the level of success you want.

The most successful people in MLM, or in any business, have very similar traits, mindsets, and habits. And you know what? They ALL have experienced failure and hardship - bar none. If you fail, get back up and try again; don't wallow in failure, jaded people and self-pity. There is great opportunity in MLM. Carpe diem. Sieze the day, and prepare for success. It works for me, and there are so many others who are looking for opportunity. There is only one answer to those who refuse my MLM offer ... You lose. Next?

4morereferrals · 01-02-2009, 12:36 PM

Hello Kettle ... Meet POT.

Care to post any stats on IM? There's more "little" scams happening in this forum daily than Ive seen in 24 yrs of B2B business.

as an example
"I sincerely want to GIVE you this information that will help you greatly in your IM business efforts" ... Yeah right - where's the disclaimer that the PDF is loaded with hundreds of your affiliate links to products and stuff that are PURE CRAP? Thanks for the HELP.
or ....

"I want to GIVE you my magazine on IM - first issue free along with this killer $1700 manuscript that rocked the IM world 2 yrs ago ... all you have to do is pay for shipping of $7.99 .... AND agree to let me hit your credit card - likely 4 or 5 times before you realize what Ive done, and have you fight with the CC or my processor for your 3 or 4 months of $39.95 I keep debiting- back if you want a refund. I'll ROB you of hrs of your valuable time trying to recoup the 4 hits I took on your card - and likely frustrate you to the point you just shine it and walk away cuz its no longer worth the hassle to try and get your money back!"

Yessssir - that's an ethical model ...

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Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator

No income model has broken more hearts than mlm and the recruiting people stuff.

FYI:

99% of people involved with mlm never make any money!

If there ever was a plan built to take advantage of lazyness and greed mlm is it.

Ps. The owners of the programs are laughing all the way to the bank.

Conclusion: If you want success - stay away from MLM.

TL

Ps. Please acknowledge you've been warned.

bio prez · 01-02-2009, 12:46 PM

mlm is only good if you get in the top 1% of affiliates and can grow an active downline very quickly....its not easy and that is why 99% of affilates in MLM's fail

MaskedMarketer · 01-02-2009, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by bio prez

mlm is only good if you get in the top 1% of affiliates and can grow an active downline very quickly....its not easy and that is why 99% of affilates in MLM's fail

a lot people fail because they want instant gratification

Katherine Wheel · 01-02-2009, 02:35 PM

A good MLM opp. has a good product YOU like, a decent renumeration package, and preferably, good training and support.

Here in UK, I think we do it differently than in US, and people don't spend fortunes on buying leads and other stuff. Which is why, perhaps, all the stuff I've read about finding new ways to recruit people is coming from the west side of the pond.

The thing I want from MLM (or network marketing) is a residual income. To get that, I need to bring people into the business. I DO NOT WANT to be pursuing my family and friends to persuade them in. Seems to me the smart people are using the internet to find and 'qualify' prospects.

In a good company, you only need a handful of good recruits to build a downline. After that, you carry on selling your products and devote yourself to supporting the good people in your downline. That way, you can be growing your business working with people you like, times to suit you, even when you may have gotten old and tired of sitting in front of the computer or otherwise seeking prospects.

Warren Buffet bought a well-known network marketing company last year. Why did he buy this at the start of a recession?

For the guy at the top, it is fabulous - other people do the leg-work, the marketing, selling etc. The higher people get in the company, the better it is. A good MLM company is debt-free for all these reasons.

bgmacaw · 01-02-2009, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by myob

MLM, just as in any business, requires a particular mindset.

Everybody has different experiences but my experiences with particular mindset of MLM people, especially some higher ups in Amway and Primerica, has been a lot like that Henry Rollins song I posted. Just Google on Henry Rollins Liar Lyrics if you can stand to listen to him (an acquired taste to be certain). My take is that the "MLM mindset" abuses personal relationships, which is also a problem I have with some IM styles as well. I don't believe that you have to abuse people, give them false hopes and lie to them to be successful.

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Originally Posted by myob

There is only one answer to those who refuse my MLM offer ... You lose. Next?

And we wonder why MLM's get the rep for being cultish.

cypherslock · 01-02-2009, 02:43 PM

That's pretty much my thoughts in a nutshell. It is not a SCAM. And certainly is not the fault of the company if you can't do it. Just like anything else it is not for everyone. And you are right, have a funded proposal that pays for your marketing, focus on the product FIRST, and after a while you will see that the people who bought and USE the product, will become an asset to your organization. You want to build a sales organization from customers.

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Originally Posted by Katherine Wheel

A good MLM opp. has a good product YOU like, a decent renumeration package, and preferably, good training and support.

Here in UK, I think we do it differently than in US, and people don't spend fortunes on buying leads and other stuff. Which is why, perhaps, all the stuff I've read about finding new ways to recruit people is coming from the west side of the pond.

The thing I want from MLM (or network marketing) is a residual income. To get that, I need to bring people into the business. I DO NOT WANT to be pursuing my family and friends to persuade them in. Seems to me the smart people are using the internet to find and 'qualify' prospects.

In a good company, you only need a handful of good recruits to build a downline. After that, you carry on selling your products and devote yourself to supporting the good people in your downline. That way, you can be growing your business working with people you like, times to suit you, even when you may have gotten old and tired of sitting in front of the computer or otherwise seeking prospects.

Warren Buffet bought a well-known network marketing company last year. Why did he buy this at the start of a recession?

For the guy at the top, it is fabulous - other people do the leg-work, the marketing, selling etc. The higher people get in the company, the better it is. A good MLM company is debt-free for all these reasons.

David Frey · 01-02-2009, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by bio prez

mlm is only good if you get in the top 1% of affiliates and can grow an active downline very quickly....its not easy and that is why 99% of affilates in MLM's fail

This is a ridiculous statement.

Over 6,000 people came into my company before me, yet I'm the # 2 money earner.

I'm one of the guys at the top that you're talking about.

I spend 50% of my days helping people become successful.

I DO NOT sell tools. I take phone calls from people and talk to them.

Ask how many of the top 10 IM gurus if they've spent half their day
on the phone helping the "little guys" who bought their product or
service.

In fact, I used to be one of them. 2 years ago, you couldn't touch
me. You would have to go through 2 assistants to get to me.

Today, every one of the people that I sponsor and many others who
are in my organization have my personal cell phone number and they
know they can call me any time for help.

Listen, the bottom line is, it doesn't matter what biz opp you get into,
infomercial, mlm, internet marketing, franchise etc. you have to work.

And most people aren't prepared to put in the work to become successful.

That's the bottom line.

Are some MLM's scams. Yes.
Are some franchises scams. Yes.
Are some IM opportunities scams. Yes
Are some infomercial opportunities scams. Yes.

But are there some valid, realistic, ethical and wonderful MLM's, franchises,
IM opportunities, and infomercial opportunities, Yes, Yes, Yes.

Again, if you're going to get into an MLM, find one with a product that can
stand on its own in the marketplace and it's a product that you're in love with.
Where there is a high demand for the product, where you can get legitimate
support, where the comp plan rewards long term workers, and a company that's
been in business for several years.

Then work your butt off like there's no tomorrow!

If you do, you too can live a prosperous lifestyle by doing what you want,
when you want, where you want, how you want and with whom you want.

And if you do not decide to do MLM, make sure you create or promote a
business that generates true "residual, passive income!"

That was a hard lesson for me to learn.

It was only when I began to funnel all my business transactions into a business
that created residual, passive income when I became financially free.

All the best.

David Frey

P.S. You can follow me on Twitter .com / David_Frey

TLTheLiberator · 01-02-2009, 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4morereferrals

Hello Kettle ... Meet POT.

Care to post any stats on IM? There's more "little" scams happening in this forum daily than Ive seen in 24 yrs of B2B business.

as an example
"I sincerely want to GIVE you this information that will help you greatly in your IM business efforts" ... Yeah right - where's the disclaimer that the PDF is loaded with hundreds of your affiliate links to products and stuff that are PURE CRAP? Thanks for the HELP.
or ....

"I want to GIVE you my magazine on IM - first issue free along with this killer $1700 manuscript that rocked the IM world 2 yrs ago ... all you have to do is pay for shipping of $7.99 .... AND agree to let me hit your credit card - likely 4 or 5 times before you realize what Ive done, and have you fight with the CC or my processor for your 3 or 4 months of $39.95 I keep debiting- back if you want a refund. I'll ROB you of hrs of your valuable time trying to recoup the 4 hits I took on your card - and likely frustrate you to the point you just shine it and walk away cuz its no longer worth the hassle to try and get your money back!"

Yessssir - that's an ethical model ...

Here's the one stat you and anyone else interested in mlm should be aware of...

- MLM can not be fixed.

- Only 1 per 1,000 people (if that) make any money with mlm and 90% of them are the owners of the program that set the scam in motion in the first place.

Meanwhile... ( making money with a real online business is a very simple )

If a person can...

- Find a decent selling product/service
- Get prospects to look at that offer
- Get enough prospects to spend money

It's a license to print money.

None of the above for a real online business is hard to do.

It just takes a bit of trial on error. ( very inexpensive also )

- And it helps if you operate outside the "how to make money" market.

Hope This Helps!!!

TL

cypherslock · 01-02-2009, 05:47 PM

Tony, what are you in (if anything)?

David Frey · 01-02-2009, 06:35 PM

Tony, you're absolutely right.

Everyone comes to their own opinions through
their own personal experiences or the (mis)information
from others.

David Frey

P.S. Before I experienced the residual income that MLM
generates, I wouldn't touch network marketing with a 10
foot pole. I was one of those MLM-ophobes. I just didn't
understand it.

In fact, this is true. I was generating $10K a month in a
network marketing company just promoting the product
(because I loved it and it worked so well for me),
before I ever decided to become a real network marketer
and create a business out of it.

12-31-2008, 12:19 PM	#1
Blase Advanced Warrior Join Date: May 2003 Location: Maple Grove, MN , USA. Posts: 742 Thanks: 30 Thanked 151 Times in 81 Posts	IS MLM Back In Style? Hi, Disclaimer: I am not a member I don’t know anything about their products or services, this is just my opinion. I am amazed at the number of emails I am getting about the latest and greatest MLM, Web Prosperity. It seems to me that not long ago everybody was putting MLM down, I guess its’ back in fashion. I have been in MLM, I actually got my income up to around $4,000 per month. Here is the part I didn’t think about before I worked my backside off. If I put all of those hours in to the job I had at the time I would have made more money. You have to recruit to make money and recruiting is selling and 99% of the population hate to sell and hate sales people. The 80/20 rule applies. Look at any MLM, example... 1st level 100,000 members 2nd level 20,000 members 3rd level 4,000 members 4th level 800 members 5th level 160 members 6th level 32 members 7th level 6.5 members If you look at any established MLM this is going to be very close. How far up do you think you'll get? The odds work against you. If you want to make money in MLM sell books, tapes, CDs’, DVDs’, seminars, teleseminars, and so forth on how to make money in MLM. Or start your own. These are just my opinions based on my experience. I would love to hear your thoughts.

12-31-2008, 09:53 PM	#2
David Frey Active Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Friendswood, TX (suburb of Houston) Posts: 33 Thanks: 2 Thanked 23 Times in 11 Posts Social Networking	Re: IS MLM Back In Style? Blase, This is David Frey. It's great to hear from you. You and I go way back. Not only am I proponent of MLM, I believe it's one of the best and fastest ways available today to start a legitimate home based business. But you need to pick a solid company that has a product that resonates with you, that you can fall in love with. It's hard to successfully sell something that you don't deeply believe in. Here's why I believe in multi level marketing. 1. MLM is nothing more than affiliate marketing on steroids. If you're an internet marketer, you have probably done some form of affiliate marketing. Multi level marketing simply has more than levels than a two- tier affiliate program. 2. Multilevel marketing offers true leverage. You can benefit from the sales and product usage of people many levels below you with no effort on your part. You work hard to create your first level (much like an IM affiliate program) and then train them to duplicate your success. With time, you'll be making money from people that you've never met. That's leverage. 3. MLM companies usually provide very simple marketing systems. You don't have to master web development, hosting, domains, autoresponders, video editing, copywriting etc. like you do in IM. You simply tell people about your product and teach them to do the same thing. Very simple. 4. Multilevel marketing is based off of good ole referral marketing (sharing products and service recommendations with your friends). Referral marketing is the world's most effective marketing method. Period. And that's all MLM really is. 5. A lot of MLM companies go under. This is true. But I've seen just as many internet marketing products, services, and companies go down as well. And I've seen just as many scams in the internet marketing industry as I have in the MLM industry. (In fact, a LOT more!) 6. And you say that the average person doesn't make much money in MLM. Uhhh, the average person doesn't make much money in internet marketing either. I believe the percentage that make money (or don't make money) in MLM versus internet marketing is about the same. And it has nothing to do with it being a scam. It has everything to do with people's work habits, commitment and drive to succeed. 7. The only reason a person doesn't like MLM is because (1) they haven't found a product that truly resonates with them and (2) you haven't made a lot of money in MLM. When those two things happen, you'll love it. One of the businesses that I run is a distributorship in an MLM company. I've done it for 3 years. My income this month from that distributorship is about 4 times what I used to make as a Senior Vice President in a $500 Million dollar company. And it's PASSIVE RESIDUAL!. I vacationed nearly this entire month with my family. The income from my MLM distributorship allowed me to spend the entire summer in Costa Rica with my little family (working only 2 hours a day). Now you might say, "Yes, but you are a great marketer. Most people can't duplicate your skills." The # 1 guy in my MLM company doesn't know squat about marketing. Nothing. But he is a great networker. That guy made more last month than I made in an entire year as a well paid executive in the corporate world (I'm the # 2 earner in the company). So, if you pick the right company that has a great product (i.e. a product that could stand on it's own in the marketplace WITHOUT the MLM marketing model attached to it) and the right sponsor (someone who's been there and done it) and you have the drive and tenacity to be successful (like you have to have in any venture that you start), then you can do extremely well in MLM. David Frey

12-31-2008, 10:00 PM	#3
Steven Wagenheim Content & Copywriting Wiz War Room Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Roselle, NJ, USA Posts: 16,394 Blog Entries: 11 Thanks: 1,531 Thanked 6,192 Times in 2,288 Posts Social Networking	Re: IS MLM Back In Style? David makes some very good points. I am actually involved in several MLM companies but only because they offer real products with real solutions to problems. I will never join an MLM program that is nothing more than just get people to sign up under you with no real product. As with any other business, it involves 2 basic things. 1. Promotion 2. Building relationships. You need to run a professional operation or you won't succeed. Having said that, I'd rather create my own unique products and services where I don't have to worry about 3000 other people promoting the same MLM that I am. I'd prefer to have my own products and have other affiliates promote them. That's why MLM is not my main business model. But if you find a good company with a good product that solves a real problem, you can do fairly well. That's my personal and experienced opinion on the matter.
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12-31-2008, 10:03 PM	#4
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01-01-2009, 06:29 AM	#6
Blase Advanced Warrior Join Date: May 2003 Location: Maple Grove, MN , USA. Posts: 742 Thanks: 30 Thanked 151 Times in 81 Posts	Re: IS MLM Back In Style? Hi David, It has been a long time. I saw that you had a nice long island vacation. You were there with a few other marketers weren't you? I haven't forgotten what you are doing with send out cards. I see that you've been on the forum since 2007, so you must be aware of the offline marketing rush that is going on. SOC, is a perfect fit and would be another great product for any local marketer to have. Are you at the same address and phone number? Take care, Blase

01-01-2009, 06:37 AM	#7
Blase Advanced Warrior Join Date: May 2003 Location: Maple Grove, MN , USA. Posts: 742 Thanks: 30 Thanked 151 Times in 81 Posts	Re: IS MLM Back In Style? Kevin, I had no idea you were in Web Prosperity. I also had a disclaimer at the beginning of my post. I was more interested in how things go in and out of fashion. MLM was really hot then you didn't hear about it now I am starting to hear about a number of them again. Take care, Blase

01-01-2009, 06:48 AM	#8
Blase Advanced Warrior Join Date: May 2003 Location: Maple Grove, MN , USA. Posts: 742 Thanks: 30 Thanked 151 Times in 81 Posts	Re: IS MLM Back In Style? Steve, I agree with everything you said. There was one thing that David said that I don't think is totally accurate. "1. MLM is nothing more than affiliate marketing on steroids. If you're an internet marketer, you have probably done some form of affiliate marketing. Multi level marketing simply has more than levels than a two- tier affiliate program." In most cases when you are an affiliate marketer you are focusing more on selling a product than signing up more affiliates. In most cases when you are an MLM marketer you are focusing more on signing up people than selling a product. Again, I am not saying that's what David does or Web Prosperity, I am saying in general and based on the many many meetings I've been to the training is "sell the dream," use the product. Steve, congratulations on a terrific December. Blase

01-01-2009, 07:05 AM	#9
Blase Advanced Warrior Join Date: May 2003 Location: Maple Grove, MN , USA. Posts: 742 Thanks: 30 Thanked 151 Times in 81 Posts	Re: IS MLM Back In Style? Tsnyder, Obviously Pre-Paid Legal has done it right. But, correct me if I am wrong didn't they have a few major problems along the way? How did that affect your income? I think that one of the biggest dangers in MLM is the model. You are running your business, doing everything right, making money, and growing your business. Then some wing nut that's a distributor in the same MLM your in does something very stupid or very illegal. Next thing you know your company is in the news, in court, and out of business. There goes all of your good honest hard work. Even Amway has been to court more than once. You've made a life long commitment to what you are doing and to you business. You and David are the kind of sponsors a person should sign up under if the want to pursue a career in MLM. Thanks for your post, Blase

01-01-2009, 07:18 AM	#11
Blase Advanced Warrior Join Date: May 2003 Location: Maple Grove, MN , USA. Posts: 742 Thanks: 30 Thanked 151 Times in 81 Posts	Re: IS MLM Back In Style? Masked Marketer, I agree and I did say "in most cases".:-) I have a DVR, so I don't watch commercials sorry I can't help you with that one. That is one scary mask by the way. Take care, Blase

01-01-2009, 07:38 AM	#13
Blase Advanced Warrior Join Date: May 2003 Location: Maple Grove, MN , USA. Posts: 742 Thanks: 30 Thanked 151 Times in 81 Posts	Re: IS MLM Back In Style? Masked Marketer, As far as the DVR is concerned all I can say is I wish these were around when I had young children. When they were young I'd be watching a show and of course 5 minutes before it's over one of them would come running in "dad" "dad", so you miss the ending. I know TV, for the most part, is a waste of time. So a DVR makes 1 hour show 40 minutes and 1/2 hour show 17 to 20 minutes, I love it. I have a very close friend that works in the MLM industry. He is not in MLM he sells MLM company's a complete custom designed turnkey recruiting machine for their business. They use every form of media available including TV as a part of the machine. Then the distributor pays a monthly fee to the MLM to use the so called machine. The lead generation statistics are staggering! You can buy leads of different types and qty's at different price points. We have lunch once a month and I have sworn to keep my mouth shut, but I can tell you this guy has never recruited a single person and makes a fortune from MLM. Good luck, Blase

01-01-2009, 07:59 AM	#14
bgmacaw Senior Warrior Member War Room Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Atlanta GA Metro Area, USA. Posts: 3,643 Blog Entries: 5 Thanks: 311 Thanked 925 Times in 644 Posts Social Networking	Re: IS MLM Back In Style? Let me inject a more negative view of MLM's. I've been involved with a few of them over the years, including some of the big names that begin with 'A', 'H', 'M' and 'P'. I've found them to be complete and total ripoffs that take advantage of well-meaning, business naive, financially desperate people. They destroy relationships with friends and business/church/community associates. They cause marital strife and conflict and even divorce. They're more conducive to developing crushing debt and financial problems than providing an income, much less financial freedom level income. They rarely sell worthwhile products and even when they're worthwhile they're dreadfully overpriced as compared to competing products. They make unrealistic promises as to income and potential. New recruits are typically encouraged to "fake it until the make it" to sell the opportunity. The business model is centered around taking advantage of people, "churn and burn" recruits. If anyone asks me if they should get involved in a MLM I paraphrase Marty the blackjack dealer from Vegas Vacation: "Here's an idea: Why don't you give me half the money your were gonna spend on joining a MLM, then we'll go out back, I'll kick you in the nuts, and we'll call it a day!"
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01-01-2009, 08:02 AM	#15
Melody Senior Warrior Member War Room Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Cincinnati, OH , USA. Posts: 3,406 Thanks: 275 Thanked 530 Times in 314 Posts	Re: IS MLM Back In Style? MLM never went out of style - as mentioned previously it's just a distribution method - but it also taught me the best lesson I EVER learned in business: don't touch anything that doesn't give you RESIDUAL INCOME!! I am also looking at WP right now - it's been on my 'check it out' list since before the holidays - interesting to see it pop up here. MLM is just a business strategy and as such - there are companies that do it well - and there are companies that royally screw it up....kind of like affiliate marketing - but the profit potential with a well run and managed MLM are usually far greater than with the average affiliate program. Melody
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01-01-2009, 08:46 AM	#18
fred67 HyperActive Warrior Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: , , United Kingdom. Posts: 243 Thanks: 16 Thanked 11 Times in 7 Posts Social Networking	Re: IS MLM Back In Style? MLM always thrives in times of recession. Late '80's saw a massive surge in really good MLM programmes. Had the technology we have today been around then we'd have seen a very different world. The sort of world that Richard Branson and Bill Gates are trying to build today. To all of the MLM nay-sayers, take a look into your own business operations mirror. You'll find that one way or another you're using the MLM concept. 'JV'ers are particularly critical, but they, (above all others) use the MLM concept more than any other marketing stratedgy known to man. They just hate the thought that 'you' realise it, so they attack it whenever they can. No. At present I'm not involved with any MLM programme, but maybe I should EH? Pete.
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01-01-2009, 08:56 AM	#19
fred67 HyperActive Warrior Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: , , United Kingdom. Posts: 243 Thanks: 16 Thanked 11 Times in 7 Posts Social Networking	Re: IS MLM Back In Style? Does anyone know of any good fairly fresh MLM opportunities here in the UK?? Thanks in anticipation - Pete.
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01-01-2009, 09:17 AM	#20
tranquility Active Warrior Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Northern New York Posts: 53 Thanks: 19 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts Social Networking	Re: IS MLM Back In Style? I'm a distributor for a candle MLM business. I only do it part-time, but I really love it. The products are top-notch, fitting in nicely with today's "green" movement as they're 100% vegetable wax, and practically sell themselves - and believe me, I'm NO salesman! The website in my sig is one I'm developing to promote that business, but I'm approaching it differently. I'm not building the site to specifically promote the MLM, but I'm building it to help anyone interested in a home candle business, whether they make their own candles or buy wholesale. That way I can monetize it in other ways as well, and my business isn't tied to that company should something happen to them (which I don't foresee, they're very strong and debt-free). I'm not making a large income yet because I don't work it that way. But I enjoy it just the same and love the products. I think if you truly enjoy and use the products (and there MUST be products or it's just a pyramid scheme) then MLM is a great way to build a business. Just my .02. Debbie
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01-01-2009, 10:26 AM	#21
Mark Kaye HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 291 Thanks: 52 Thanked 77 Times in 35 Posts Social Networking	Re: IS MLM Back In Style? I think MLM is hands down the best way to market and promote a business. If done properly you can earn a bundle. If you build and support a strong downline of individuals then you also have the ability to increase your income while decreasing your workload. The problem most people run into is that they recruit customers for the product not the opportunity. If you recruit customers of the product then you will have a nice steady income, but it will not grow unless you continually grow your customer base. If you can find and recruit customers for the opportunity your MLM provides then you will grow your income exponentially! Easier said then done...I know.
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01-01-2009, 12:48 PM	#23
David Frey Active Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Friendswood, TX (suburb of Houston) Posts: 33 Thanks: 2 Thanked 23 Times in 11 Posts Social Networking	Re: IS MLM Back In Style? Blase, Here is one the things that I love most about network marketing. If you don't help people to become successful, then you'll never make a dime. MLM is about helping others become successful, both financially and as a person. When you see all these big product launches in the IM industry do you really think that these guys care about whether you're successful using their product? __________________________________________________ ______ Disclaimer: Most of these guys are my personal friends so I might be stepping on my toes here. __________________________________________________ _______ No. They care about how much money they made on the launch. Their success is NOT tied to the success of their customers using their product or service. Now, I'm not saying that is wrong, but I AM SAYING THERE IS A BETTER WAY. The home based IM business model is exactly opposite of network marketing. In Network Marketing, to make a lot of money, you HAVE to help others become successful too. If you don't, you don't make money. It's the fairest and most ethical form of profiteering there is. And in another post in this thread, someone said that MLM is just about "selling the dream." My answer to that is...what business opportunity is not about selling the dream? IM is the biggest "seller of the dream" there is!!!! In IM you'll see people making the biggest and most outlandish income claims. (i.e. I make $100,000 a day and you can too.) And yes, the FTC calls that an "implied" income claim. Talk about "selling the dream." IM'ers take it to the extreme. You won't see that in any legitimate MLM because the FTC forbids it. (and I wish they would come down on the IM industry as well and clean it up a bit.) Hope this helps. David Frey

01-01-2009, 01:01 PM	#24
valerieSONORA formerly annoyedgirl War Room Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: USA. Posts: 1,337 Thanks: 161 Thanked 183 Times in 122 Posts Social Networking	Re: IS MLM Back In Style? I have heard of some MLM horror stories which make me stay far away. But to each his or her own. But I know there are good opportunities out there. You just have to find the right ones for you and watch out for the shady ones. I guess some shady companies can cast a bad light on MLM in general. Like the "opportunities" which have no real product or service but is just basically a pyramid where only the ones on top get rich at the expense of everyone at the bottom. I really don't know how they can even operate legally where you just sell nothing but the same "opportunity" you were sold. But there are companies out there that do offer real products and real services that are nothing like the shady companies. I guess just do your due diligence as always.
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01-01-2009, 10:57 PM	#28
myob Mind Your Own Business War Room Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 3,505 Thanks: 539 Thanked 2,121 Times in 1,305 Posts	Re: IS MLM Back In Style? Has MLM really ever gone out of "style"? The concept of MLM is a legitimate business marketing model and is in fact taught in most business colleges. I have been involved in a major nutritional and health MLM company for over 22 years. It has given me a lifestyle that would have been unattainable in any other business or profession. The residual income has allowed me to make investments, and even to start several successful online businesses that required many months of capital infusion to get off the ground. It seems that the MLM failures are making the most noise, while the rest of us are just quietly bringing in the six-figure monthly residual incomes.

01-01-2009, 11:00 PM	#29
cypherslock Always be learning War Room Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Kitchener, Ontario, Canada. Posts: 1,940 Blog Entries: 2 Thanks: 344 Thanked 397 Times in 295 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: IS MLM Back In Style? MLM is no a bad system. IF one puts in the work and BELIEVES IN and USES the product. If you use the product and love it, you will be able to find others that do the same. It is from those that you can begin to build your network. Customers make the best sales people. And frankly anyone that buys the "instant wealth" promise that the more shady companies espouse DESERVES to have their ass handed to them.
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01-02-2009, 04:24 AM	#35
Bakai Banned War Room Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 418 Thanks: 23 Thanked 30 Times in 30 Posts Social Networking	Re: IS MLM Back In Style? I think MLM may be making a comeback, especially with those new amway commercials advising viewers to seek out an independent sales rep. Plus people are now more desparate than ever to make extra money.

01-02-2009, 11:30 AM	#38
TLTheLiberator Please get a net biz plan War Room Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: , , USA. Posts: 1,428 Blog Entries: 3 Thanks: 1,108 Thanked 559 Times in 427 Posts	Re: IS MLM Back In Style? No income model has broken more hearts than mlm and the recruiting people stuff. FYI: 99% of people involved with mlm never make any money! If there ever was a plan built to take advantage of lazyness and greed mlm is it. Ps. The owners of the programs are laughing all the way to the bank. Conclusion: If you want success - stay away from MLM. TL Ps. Please acknowledge you've been warned.

01-02-2009, 12:16 PM	#40
myob Mind Your Own Business War Room Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 3,505 Thanks: 539 Thanked 2,121 Times in 1,305 Posts	Re: IS MLM Back In Style? MLM, just as in any business, requires a particular mindset. Those who don't truly understand this mindset label it as for the "lazy" or "greedy". But those who are successful in any field whether in sales, MLM, IM, or other businesses achieved their level of success because they are ambitious, goal oriented, motivated, and driven. This all can be learned, and you must change or you will never achieve your full potential. I surround myself with people who are much more successful than I am. It is really true if you set for yourself lofty dreams and goals, and surround yourself with people of similar aspirations, the opportunities will come to achieve those goals. For me, it came as MLM. You can never achieve success by listening to failures and losers. If you want to succeed, listen to the ones who have achieved the level of success you want. The most successful people in MLM, or in any business, have very similar traits, mindsets, and habits. And you know what? They ALL have experienced failure and hardship - bar none. If you fail, get back up and try again; don't wallow in failure, jaded people and self-pity. There is great opportunity in MLM. Carpe diem. Sieze the day, and prepare for success. It works for me, and there are so many others who are looking for opportunity. There is only one answer to those who refuse my MLM offer ... You lose. Next?

01-02-2009, 12:46 PM	#42
bio prez Warrior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 28 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: IS MLM Back In Style? mlm is only good if you get in the top 1% of affiliates and can grow an active downline very quickly....its not easy and that is why 99% of affilates in MLM's fail

01-02-2009, 02:35 PM	#44
Katherine Wheel Warrior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Warwickshire, UK Posts: 17 Thanks: 10 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: IS MLM Back In Style? A good MLM opp. has a good product YOU like, a decent renumeration package, and preferably, good training and support. Here in UK, I think we do it differently than in US, and people don't spend fortunes on buying leads and other stuff. Which is why, perhaps, all the stuff I've read about finding new ways to recruit people is coming from the west side of the pond. The thing I want from MLM (or network marketing) is a residual income. To get that, I need to bring people into the business. I DO NOT WANT to be pursuing my family and friends to persuade them in. Seems to me the smart people are using the internet to find and 'qualify' prospects. In a good company, you only need a handful of good recruits to build a downline. After that, you carry on selling your products and devote yourself to supporting the good people in your downline. That way, you can be growing your business working with people you like, times to suit you, even when you may have gotten old and tired of sitting in front of the computer or otherwise seeking prospects. Warren Buffet bought a well-known network marketing company last year. Why did he buy this at the start of a recession? For the guy at the top, it is fabulous - other people do the leg-work, the marketing, selling etc. The higher people get in the company, the better it is. A good MLM company is debt-free for all these reasons.

01-02-2009, 05:47 PM	#49
cypherslock Always be learning War Room Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Kitchener, Ontario, Canada. Posts: 1,940 Blog Entries: 2 Thanks: 344 Thanked 397 Times in 295 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: IS MLM Back In Style? Tony, what are you in (if anything)?
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01-02-2009, 06:35 PM	#50
David Frey Active Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Friendswood, TX (suburb of Houston) Posts: 33 Thanks: 2 Thanked 23 Times in 11 Posts Social Networking	Re: IS MLM Back In Style? Tony, you're absolutely right. Everyone comes to their own opinions through their own personal experiences or the (mis)information from others. David Frey P.S. Before I experienced the residual income that MLM generates, I wouldn't touch network marketing with a 10 foot pole. I was one of those MLM-ophobes. I just didn't understand it. In fact, this is true. I was generating $10K a month in a network marketing company just promoting the product (because I loved it and it worked so well for me), before I ever decided to become a real network marketer and create a business out of it.