I Can't Sell a Clickbank or Amazon Product to Save My Life!

CDarklock

13 years ago

Originally Posted by dp40oz

...the ads shown weren't what my audience was looking for. I decided to do Clickbank and Amazon instead.

So... you thought you would know what products your customers wanted better than Google does.

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MaverickUK

13 years ago

CDarklock I don't understand your comment, at all. There are many reasons why his site could of been displaying 'none relevant' adverts to his visitors. Your comment is amazingly arrogant.

dp40oz, may I ask what sort of terms you're trying to target? You should be targeting buyer keywords. For example a keyword such as "latte maker" won't convert Anywhere near as well as "brandname model latte maker".

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dp40oz

13 years ago

Originally Posted by MaverickUK

CDarklock I don't understand your comment, at all. There are many reasons why his site could of been displaying 'none relevant' adverts to his visitors. Your comment is amazingly arrogant.

dp40oz, may I ask what sort of terms you're trying to target? You should be targeting buyer keywords. For example a keyword such as "latte maker" won't convert Anywhere near as well as "brandname model latte maker".

Well my niche is audio production (I don't care if you guys know its not a big money niche). I was a recording engineer for over 10 years and put a page together that is incredibly useful for people learning about recording. Google adsense only had ads for other recording studios, or recording schools which wasn't really what my audience was looking for. They wanted recording tips, they weren't looking for studios or looking to go to a 4 year college for it.

So I started targeting my posts with Clickbank products about audio production, producing ect... I also put amazon products on the page for hot selling home studio items. For the life of me I can't understand how nobody wants any of this. When I was learning I would end up buying like 5 things off websites a week. The audio world is known for its gear hungry crowd. Its just been an odd and frustrating process thats really soured me to trying to sell. Oh wait I did make .20 cents off amazon for a copy of "The Book of Mormon" a few days ago. I guess some audio geek had to have that after clicking through.

I'd just like to add that I make a decent living off of adsense so Im not an IM newb but this has been a real learning experience.

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MaverickUK

13 years ago

Originally Posted by dp40oz

Well my niche is audio production (I don't care if you guys know its not a big money niche). I was a recording engineer for over 10 years and put a page together that is incredibly useful for people learning about recording. Google adsense only had ads for other recording studios, or recording schools which wasn't really what my audience was looking for. They wanted recording tips, they weren't looking for studios or looking to go to a 4 year college for it.

So I started targeting my posts with Clickbank products about audio production, producing ect... I also put amazon products on the page for hot selling home studio items. For the life of me I can't understand how nobody wants any of this. When I was learning I would end up buying like 5 things off websites a week. The audio world is known for its gear hungry crowd. Its just been an odd and frustrating process thats really soured me to trying to sell. Oh wait I did make .20 cents off amazon for a copy of "The Book of Mormon" a few days ago. I guess some audio geek had to have that after clicking through.

I'd just like to add that I make a decent living off of adsense so Im not an IM newb but this has been a real learning experience.

From what you said about these people are looking for audio tips, this means they're information seekers. These type of people rarely convert in to sales. As an example I have a blog about the Nokia N8 which gets 60,000+ unique victors a month and after several affiliate posts recently, not ONE bought the product I was promoting.

Why? Because they came to my site via Google looking for Nokia N8 related news, games, apps etc. Information seekers suck for sales.

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CDarklock

13 years ago

Originally Posted by MaverickUK

CDarklock I don't understand your comment, at all.

He had a site that was making money, and turned it into a site that was not making money.

I suggest that this was rather a mistake.

Your comment is amazingly arrogant.

Why, thank you. Yours seems remarkably uninterested in the facts.

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dp40oz

13 years ago

Originally Posted by CDarklock

He had a site that was making money, and turned it into a site that was not making money.

I suggest that this was rather a mistake.

Why, thank you. Yours seems remarkably uninterested in the facts.

With all due respect my site was making about $50 a month with Adsense off of 500 page views a day. I have about 15 other adsense sites. All of which make $2-20 a day with less then 100 page views.

I decided to use this website as a Guinea Pig for future non-adsense endeavors. I don't want to be stuck relying solely on Adsense for income. I figure if I can't sell a product in a niche I know everything about then I shouldn't bother branching out. I could sit back and let that sweet $1.50 roll in everyday or try and capitalize on a decent amount of highly targeted traffic. If I sell 2 Clickbank products in the next month because of anyones advice on this thread, well then ive already beaten my adsense earnings.

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MaverickUK

13 years ago

Originally Posted by CDarklock

He had a site that was making money, and turned it into a site that was not making money.

I suggest that this was rather a mistake.

Why, thank you. Yours seems remarkably uninterested in the facts.

You didn't even know his reasoning behind the change. You should bottle your arrogance and sell it to people like Alan Sugar.

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tpw

13 years ago

Originally Posted by MaverickUK

You should bottle your arrogance and sell it to people like Alan Sugar.

Pot -> Kettle = Black

To the OP: Concerning your original question, may I suggest that maybe you are coming from this with the wrong mindset.

You seem to be suggesting that your goal is to "sell something".

When in fact, your goal should be to "help people make a good decision about products and services they want to buy."

If you take the latter approach, you will often find your success more frequent and reliable.

The next question for you returns to Caliban's original comment, for which it has been suggested that Caliban is being arrogant. :p

Originally Posted by CDarklock

So... you thought you would know what products your customers wanted better than Google does.

While Google may have not been posting ads that you felt relevant to your content, they might have some inside knowledge you don't have.

Or more likely, they were dropping generic ads on your page, because their Adsense algorithms were totally unsure as to what a good match would be for your content.

Long way around, I am also suggesting that you may not have been presenting the right offers to your readers either.

So you were on par with Google Adsense.

While on the surface, you might think you know what should be offered on your pages, your readers disagreed or else they would have bought what you were offering more frequently.

If you can get into the head of people visiting your website, then you will be able to put the kind of offers on your page that people want to see -- with laser-targeted precision.

Until you invest the effort to figure out what is going on inside people's heads, you are doing nothing more than Google Adsense would do, by putting ads that are not relevant to your reader's actual interests.

p.s. Don't make a decision tonight, but think a few days on what I have just told you.

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dp40oz

13 years ago

Originally Posted by tpw

While Google may have not been posting ads that you felt relevant to your content, they might have some inside knowledge you don't have.

Or more likely, they were dropping generic ads on your page, because their Adsense algorithms were totally unsure as to what a good match would be for your content.

Long way around, I am also suggesting that you may not have been presenting the right offers to your readers either.

So you were on par with Google Adsense.

While on the surface, you might think you know what should be offered on your pages, your readers disagreed or else they would have bought what you were offering more frequently.

If you can get into the head of people visiting your website, then you will be able to put the kind of offers on your page that people want to see -- with laser-targeted precision.

Until you invest the effort to figure out what is going on inside people's heads, you are doing nothing more than Google Adsense would do, by putting ads that are not relevant to your reader's actual interests.

p.s. Don't make a decision tonight, but think a few days on what I have just told you.

Great advice. Ive been racking my brain for months with this site. I really thought I had my pulse on my readers because I originally developed the website with the mindset of "When I was starting out in audio recording what would I have loved in a website?" I know I have accomplished just that from the string of emails I get from people thanking me for my help.

Many of the ads ive tried have been what I would have wanted when I was in the same situation as my readers. Im going to think about your advice and maybe I will see that my direction has been slightly off.

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tpw

13 years ago

Originally Posted by dp40oz

Great advice. Ive been racking my brain for months with this site. I really thought I had my pulse on my readers because I originally developed the website with the mindset of "When I was starting out in audio recording what would I have loved in a website?" I know I have accomplished just that from the string of emails I get from people thanking me for my help.

Many of the ads ive tried have been what I would have wanted when I was in the same situation as my readers. Im going to think about your advice and maybe I will see that my direction has been slightly off.

One of the things I have learned that may prove beneficial to you is this:

When I offer a specific service, I often present the precise instructions to people, enabling them to do exactly what I am willing to do for them.

I try to show people precisely what to do, how hard it is for "them" to do it, and how easy it is for "me" to do it...

My readers generally take four views on that kind of content:

1. They see me as an expert and they follow my advice to the letter;

2. They decide I am a quack, whom they don't want to listen to... Yes, it sometimes happens...

3. They decide they no longer want to do that thing they thought they wanted to do; or

4. They decide that I really know how to do that thing, and it may just make more sense for them to hire me to do it for them.

I win on the 1st and 4th, and I lose on the 2nd and 3rd.

Although the 1st one seems to go against me, because I did not get the sale this time, it still serves me well, by convincing the reader that my teaching is accurate and true, so they think about me the next time they need this thing done.

While you may not be selling the particular service, you can affiliate with those who do.

This is just one way to monetize your information, by pointing people to the service providers who would be willing to do that thing for them.

It is not by any means the only way to monetize, but for the Instructional-type content, it is one monetization method that works really well...

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dizen 13 years ago

Why not create an ebook on the subject you know most (audio recording) and sell them on your site and clickbank marketplace?
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- sscot 13 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by dizen
  
  Why not create an ebook on the subject you know most (audio recording) and sell them on your site and clickbank marketplace?
  
  dp40oz, this is definitely great idea for you.
  
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- MattStrange 13 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by dizen
  
  Why not create an ebook on the subject you know most (audio recording) and sell them on your site and clickbank marketplace?
  
  Yer, i'm surprised this hasn't been mentioned earlier, how about getting hold of your competitors and make a joint partnership?
  
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Kierkegaard

13 years ago

For adsense you need a lot of pageviews one site with 500 per day isn't very many. With Amazon, it makes a difference (a big one) if your visitors are on your site because they intend to buy something off Amazon (and they're reading a review, etc.) or if you are just showing related ads to whatever it is you're writing.

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sscot

13 years ago

Adsense problem: As I believe, you haven't placed Adsense ads on hot spots. position them on different places and test CTRs and fix them on the place what it's giving maximum CTR. (Yes, it takes little considerable time)

ClickBank and Amazon problem: You're doing thing in wrong way. It doesn't mean that you won't make any sale, but it's very rare.

Here's what do you want to do?

You're an expert in the subject. So, first step is easy........

1. Write informative, contents rich free report around the topic you speck, and design killer cover image too.
2. Join with Autoresponder service.
3. Find hot spot of your site, place an attractive advertisement about free report there while combining it with Autoresponder.
4. Build a targeted list.
5. Start promoting ClickBank, Amazon products into the list.

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dp40oz

13 years ago

Originally Posted by ncmedia

Interesting,

The product in my sig goes with audio production traffic like bread and butter. Sorry for the shameless promo, but it might suit your traffic really well..

The audio niche is pretty hit/miss, I have also been an engineer/producer for over a dozen years and tried all kinds of biz models in the niche so far - finally found a pocket that is easy to monetize and covers a big gap, been gravy since and have branched out naturally. There is money to be made in it, just have to match up the traffic even if it's a close but not perfect offer - or start shaping your content around an offer/sector that does prove profitable for you.

Best of luck,
NC.

Haha Dubturbo is the only Clickbank product ive ever sold. Ive actually sold 4 of them in the last 6 months. My page is basically based around it with a big hot chick banner on the top left. Dubturbo gets all my main page hot spots cause its the only thing ive ever actually sold from the page.

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Ben Armstrong

13 years ago

Best advice I can give is maybe add on a product review section to your site and target buying keywords so you get the best of both worlds.... adsense clicks from the information seekers... amazon commissions from the buyers.

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Elkinton

13 years ago

It’s certainly hard to say or perceive who your- Prospects, online lookers, visitors or buyers are/were. How did they arrive onto your site is key. Were they motivated to stop by because of referenced articles, YouTube flyer, or forum dialogue, etc.? Pre-product information/news to a website makes a difference, = driving to a destination with a purpose in mind. $$

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