I cant understand it..

13 years ago

The problem is that people look at internet marketing as a solution in a box to all of their problems. I mean, all you have to do is setup a website, drive traffic, and rake in the cash, right? Who couldn't do that?

But it's not like that at all. Even a simple mini site promoting one single product will not do very well if it looks like junk, has bad writing on it, and gets no traffic. To be truly successful, the webmaster would hire out someone to design a killer logo for the site, maybe invest in a premium wordpress theme, hire someone to do SEO for their site or advise them on a PPC campaign, and hire a writer to put some killer content.

But all of that takes work and an upfront investment. There are too many people who come into IM thinking that they can get rich (or almost rich) without doing any real work and without putting out any money upfront to build their sites. Hopefully you can avoid being one of these people. You either have to work or pay to have someone do the work for you, there is no way around it.

Just like the real world, in IM you can be one of two things, a Boss or a Worker. If you are a boss, you hand out jobs to other people and let them build your site/product/widget and promote it. Then you collect the profits and start planning the next site/product/widget. If you choose to go the worker route then you find an aspect of IM that you are good at like Web Design, Content Creation, or SEO and let the bosses give you money to do that work for them.

That's simplified of course, but mostly true. Like any other economy, someone new in IM should position themselves as a worker then build their way up to a boss. But that's not $10,000 PER MONTH ON AUTOPILOT so it doesn't happen that much.

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AlexisMoore 13 years ago

The thing about all of these eBooks and guides and what not is that no one is going to share their secret. Why would they? This is why every time you think you find something awesome, it's already outdated. When people truly find a good way to make decent money online, they will most likely keep the most important details to themselves. This is why instead of duplicating another person's success, it's just better to keep poking around until you have found a way of your own. And then you will just be another one of those people who holds on to the secrets to your success!
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idk007

13 years ago

Originally Posted by GameVoid

The problem is that people look at internet marketing as a solution in a box to all of their problems. I mean, all you have to do is setup a website, drive traffic, and rake in the cash, right? Who couldn't do that?

But it's not like that at all. Even a simple mini site promoting one single product will not do very well if it looks like junk, has bad writing on it, and gets no traffic. To be truly successful, the webmaster would hire out someone to design a killer logo for the site, maybe invest in a premium wordpress theme, hire someone to do SEO for their site or advise them on a PPC campaign, and hire a writer to put some killer content.

But all of that takes work and an upfront investment. There are too many people who come into IM thinking that they can get rich (or almost rich) without doing any real work and without putting out any money upfront to build their sites. Hopefully you can avoid being one of these people. You either have to work or pay to have someone do the work for you, there is no way around it.

Just like the real world, in IM you can be one of two things, a Boss or a Worker. If you are a boss, you hand out jobs to other people and let them build your site/product/widget and promote it. Then you collect the profits and start planning the next site/product/widget. If you choose to go the worker route then you find an aspect of IM that you are good at like Web Design, Content Creation, or SEO and let the bosses give you money to do that work for them.

That's simplified of course, but mostly true. Like any other economy, someone new in IM should position themselves as a worker then build their way up to a boss. But that's not $10,000 PER MONTH ON AUTOPILOT so it doesn't happen that much.

Well said good sir

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ProvenViral

13 years ago

The main problem is taking the action - making money online is very easy after you've done it for a while but it does take work and alot of work. The first step to making anything work is to try it, and to make your own twist on things. Don't follow every step on what others are doing, make your own path and you'll see success.

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semrawut

13 years ago

Originally Posted by ProvenViral

The main problem is taking the action - making money online is very easy after you've done it for a while but it does take work and alot of work. The first step to making anything work is to try it, and to make your own twist on things. Don't follow every step on what others are doing, make your own path and you'll see success.

im agree with ProvenViral.. taking the action, and always learn.... Learn and Learn, they are no a way to make Online money fast.... step by step, and keep believe ...

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Steven Miranda

13 years ago

The question is not if you can make money online. The real question is: Can YOU focus and create a business online offering value to buyers? Everyone would agree the internet has no shortage of money flying around. It is all about being in the right marketplace and exposure among trust..etc Once all these things line up it works almost like clockwork.

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metalice 13 years ago

I understand what all of you are saying.

but it really hard for someone like me to start and spent 3000$ for hiring people for building me everything, and even if I'll do it i doesn't promise me to make money online.

There is so many options..

Facebook?
Advertising?
SEO?

I really can't afford myself checking all of them and then deciding what the best is for me...

i don't know what really works.

I have one site that I hired someone to do SEO on it. But its 6 months and still I'm not in the top10.

Are there any good directions that I can start with? That I can learn my way from there? But if I wont succeed the "fall down" wont me so much painful ($$$)...
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Klemen Znidar

13 years ago

IM is not get rich quick scheme. You gotta treat is a business, because it is. Once you do the money will start rolling in.

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Frank Donovan 13 years ago

Hi Matan,

The internet is just a channel, like any other communication medium, but on a larger scale.

Don't get bogged down in thinking that you need a special system to succeed - you just need to offer something of value that enough people would be willing to pay for.

Look at it this way. If a TV network said you could have 30 minutes airtime every evening to do with as you please, could you come up with a way of making it pay?

If you think you could, then you can certainly make money online.

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DaveTaylor 13 years ago

Hi folks,

Just my 2cents.

I bought into 'The Dream' of online riches with not much effort.
The only reason I am still here is that I am incredibly stubborn and refused to give up.

I very quickly came to the realisation that I had to build a business, not a hobby. That requires record keeping, accounts, taxes and a whole load of things the Gurus on stage 'forgot' to mention.

I went back to basics, found an excellent mentor in John Thornhill and figured out how to build a business starting from the beginning. No fads or loopholes.

Any automation would have to be automating something I already knew how to do.

I am still, and always will be, learning but I know what I am aiming towards.
Provide service to customers to the best of my ability.

All the best,

David
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gforex 13 years ago

Originally Posted by morc3x

IM is not get rich quick scheme. You gotta treat is a business, because it is. Once you do the money will start rolling in.

You are going to understand it. Internet jobs are not as easy as people think or take it. There is a lot of work that one need to do if you will ever make it in the internet. I have been there for about 4months learning different ways to make money online but i have not made a dime. Only that i have acquired a lot of knowledge, i can set up my own website, i have learned how to write articles SEO and Themed once. I have also written articles to my website but i more than 30 of them to qualify in some places. What you need is patience. This way of internet you are not wrong but you will need experience. I have also learned how to put links, plug ins etc. As such, am waiting as i continue to build my link-wheel. Sorry but you are on the right track.

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Alexa Smith

Banned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by metalice

I'm asking about affiliate marketing & AdSense & Facebook & SEO?

It's a little bit confusing, because two of those four things are business models (though they're not mutually exclusive) and the other two are methods of attracting traffic and promoting a business.

I haven't heard of the "Facebook Wealth Formula", but for myself, I wouldn't be looking at anything with that title, because I think of Facebook as a social network, not a way to attract targeted traffic. (That's just my own perception: others may do very well with it).

And I don't like the AdSense business model for three main reasons:-

(i) It's pretty much Google-dependant, I think;

(ii) It seems to me to involve a huge amount of SEO, because you need a lot of sites to earn a living from it, and I suspect that to find the sites that can earn $5 per day or so, I'd have to build 10 - 20 sites, of which many would produce very little, so for me it would be very labour-intensive, too;

(iii) I have a residual distaste for earning pennies by giving people a way of leaving my sites rather than staying there.

But again, all of that is just me: others may do well with them (though being a skepchick I suspect many more do better by teaching others to do it than by doing it themselves).

Affiliate marketing, on the other hand, is a whole different ball-game and is how I make a very good living, so I know it's possible to do very well from that.

Originally Posted by metalice

I'm only a student

I was a student when I started, at the end of 2008.

It took me about 4 months to earn anything worth talking about, because when I started off, I had no idea what I was doing and was confused then about all the things I suspect you're confused about now.

Originally Posted by metalice

The online time that I made money was with clickbank and AdSense, well u can't call it "making money" because I sent on advertising to bring the customer more that I got back from my commission so again u are losing money.

ClickBank promotion has been very good to me. But I've never spent any money on it, apart from a very little bit on domains and hosting (and even that isn't essential as they're both available free, actually).

Originally Posted by metalice

But I need to know is there really a way to make money without selling eBooks of how to make money online?

Yes, there is.

"Make Money Online" is a dreadful niche for beginners. There ought to be a law that you can't touch "Make Money Online" or "IM Advice" until you have a least a couple of years' successful experience. Getting involved in those niches, in my opinion, is truly stacking the deck against yourself.

Why not find a different niche with a few decent-looking ClickBank products with good sales pages and make a small "niche site" for it, with high quality content, Matan?

But whatever you do, start off by concentrating on one thing and one thing only, and make sure you understand what it involves.

For ClickBank products, for example, it all boils down to three things:-

(i) You have to select products wisely (there are some suggested guidelines here): without getting this part right, it doesn't matter what else you do

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(ii) You have to pre-sell effectively to well-targeted traffic;

(iii) You have to build a list and form relationships with the people on it, so that they'll buy on the strength of your recommendation.

These things aren't optional: you really do need to do all three of them, otherwise you're probably chasing 10% of the possible money and ignoring the other 90%.

There's a huge turnover of ClickBank affiliate marketers trying other ways and mostly not being too successful, but I think the above is pretty typical of those who make steady money from it. Key concept: people generally buy ClickBank products because they trust someone's recommendation. They buy on the strength of your relationship with them, built through your website and your autoresponder emails to your list subscribers.

Maybe that one doesn't suit you? But whatever you decide does suit you, make sure you understand the essentials of it, and exclude everything else.

Just my perspective.

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melodyx

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

Why not find a different niche with a few decent-looking ClickBank products with good sales pages and make a small "niche site" for it, with high quality content, Matan?

I love that idea. I, like the OP, have been having problems with information overload. I think I might try that area out first to try and learn what I can. I'm lucky because I have unlimited free hosting so all I would have to do is buy a domain. What do you think about picking a few products and throwing up a site and maybe do some SEO and find someone to write some articals from fiverr? I think I would go in with the intention of not making any money the first time around and use it to see what I can learn from it.

Thanks again!

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metalice

13 years ago

Alexa ,

Thanks for your asnwers.

But as i see it all clickbank and affilate must be connected to SEO or Facebook or Adsense.

Otherwise, how do you attract people?

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Alexa Smith

Banned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by metalice

Alexa ,
Thanks for your asnwers.
But as i see it all clickbank and affilate must be connected to SEO or Facebook or Adsense.
Otherwise, how do you attract people?

I make a full-time living as a ClickBank affiliate ... without touching Facebook or AdSense.

I do some SEO for my sites, it's true; but most of it's done for me by the syndication (re-publishing) of my articles - I happen to be an article marketer, myself, but this doesn't affect anything I said in my post above, which applies equally to article-marketers and non-article-marketers.

Others may not agree, but I don't think Facebook is a really good way, for most people, to attract people for ClickBank sales. It isn't really targeted traffic, I suspect?

Yes - you do have to have a way of attracting targeted traffic. I do that with my articles. I see that "organic SEO traffic" is another way of doing that (and I get some of that, too).

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metalice

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

I make a full-time living as a ClickBank affiliate ... without touching Facebook or AdSense.

I do some SEO for my sites, it's true; but most of it's done for me by the syndication (re-publishing) of my articles - I happen to be an article marketer, myself, but this doesn't affect anything I said in my post above, which applies equally to article-marketers and non-article-marketers.

Others may not agree, but I don't think Facebook is a really good way, for most people, to attract people for ClickBank sales. It isn't really targeted traffic, I suspect?

Yes - you do have to have a way of attracting targeted traffic. I do that with my articles. I see that "organic SEO traffic" is another way of doing that (and I get some of that, too).

You are getting alot of traffic only from articles sites? Didnt know its possiable...

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Alexa Smith

Banned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by metalice

You are getting alot of traffic only from articles sites? Didnt know its possiable...

I don't think it is.

I'm not getting my traffic from article sites.

I'm getting it from the syndication of my articles from article sites to high-quality relevant sites in my niches, and through a network of people who want to syndicate my articles (many of whom I've originally found because/when they've taken and re-published my articles from directories), and I'm getting some targeted traffic from ezine publishers, too. (An "article directory" is a depository of online content freely available to webmasters and ezine/newsletter compilers to be syndicated. That's what article directories exist for. They were never intended to be primarily "places from which marketers can get traffic or backlinks" and that's a very poor use of them - and getting poorer all the time).

I'm an article marketer, not an article directory marketer (yes, I'm using an article directory too, but I'm not using it for its own traffic, and certainly not for its own backlinks, which aren't relevant ones to my niches).

I wasn't suggesting that article marketing is necessarily your way forward, though ... I was suggesting simply what I said in post #9 above: that I think you'd be well served by choosing one thing (possibly ClickBank? Not necessarily), learning its basics and concentrating on it to the exclusion of other things.

I don't mean it impolitely at all, but I felt from your original post that you may be suffering from information overload, confusion, and trying too many different parts of too many different business models. That was just my impression, and I apologise if it was an unwelcome one, but when you said "I'm asking about affiliate marketing & AdSense & Facebook & SEO", all in one sentence, like that, it sounded like some "clarity of approach" would be helpful to you. I can't believe that promoting ClickBank products to Facebook contacts is going to produce the breakthrough you seek, because that has nothing to do with the basics of promoting informational, digital products as an affiliate at all. The example I gave related to just one of the things you mentioned (ClickBank), and the "three fundamental things (listed above) that you have to do to earn real money from it" (because that's the one I happen to know most about) - simply as an example of "clarity of approach". There's no point in talking about Facebook, in a ClickBank-promotion context, without understanding those three basic things first.

I can't apologise enough if the end result of my post has been to confuse you further.

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metalice

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

but I felt from your original post that you may be suffering from information overload, confusion, and trying too many different parts of too many different business models.

U can't be more right!!!

But the problem is that I'm not sure to which direction should I go.
I don't know what I like best, to what ill connect more , in what I'll be the best that I can.

I don't know in what to choose.

I don't know if there is ways that are easier and faster from the other ways...

I don't know if there is ways that have more money than the other ways...

I have the theoretical info but I feel that I don't have the enough experience to choose my way

U didn't confuse. Only helping me. tnx

I need a mentor or something like u

The fact here that I'm getting a different concept here, focusing on one
thing and make it the best that you can.

The only problem is to choose a way when you don't really know how to
choose a way...

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StarkContrast 13 years ago

Pick a method and go for it. If it's easy for you to do, then chances are good it's easy for others to do and could become oversaturated. Pick something, master it (even if it's a tool like Scrapebox), make money from it, enjoy it, then learn something else.

The other way (the way I did it) was to learn a bit about a lot of things but not really master any. I don't recommend this way because I haven't banked much; I've learned a lot but not much to show for it. However, I am beginning to see fruit because i have a "big picture" view of the game.
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vok

13 years ago

Why would you ever think it's a myth? I don't understand that. I guess every business starts up with the "myth' money can be made. That both goes for offline and offline. But hey unless you try it you'll never personally verify it.

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metalice

13 years ago

All what you are saying here I'm sure it's true and its working for you, not for me.

Many of you wrote "it's a business" / but I don't really understand what its mean. i never had a business.

From where do I start?
Where can I find really helping guides?

That can show/teach/tell me about all the little things?

I know that someone that really making money won't tell me is secrets and the exact way.

But I need some information or ways that it's not only in general concept but going down to more details and systems or methods.

Is there any place or anyone that can really help you?

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GameVoid 13 years ago

Originally Posted by metalice

I know that someone that really making money won't tell me is secrets and the exact way.

That's your problem. THERE IS NO SECRET. All of that "secret" method is just marketing crap to sell eBooks and WSO's.

Everything you would ever need to know how to be successful in IM is here for free on the WF, but you have to read a lot, dig a lot, and then choose a specific part of IM and go for it.

For instance if you want to start an Amazon Associate site, then search/read all of the posts about Amazon Associates and how to set up wordpress blogs to use as associate sites. Then JUST DO THAT. Forget about all the other business models if IM and just focus on being the best Amazon Associate ever.

Need help with SEO on your web pages? There's a FREE subforum for that.

Need to know how to get paid every time someone signs up for a special offer (CPA) from your site. There's a FREE subforum for that.

Need help with a script on your website? There's a FREE subforum for that.

Now if you want to buy something to make all this a bit easier, then buy a subscription to the War Room. There you will find a ton of guides, walk throughs, and stuff that used to be WSO's that are now being given away for free.

The "secret" of IM is that there is no secret. But no one wants to believe that. The want to believe that the only reason that that the other people on here are actually making money is that they have some super secret they refuse to share with anyone who won't pay them. And guess what? THEY DON'T.
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Matt Barrington

13 years ago

I love that we always talk about IM as a business, because it is. More than that, though, it's a skill set. It takes time to hone your craft as much as anything else in the world. We deal in 1's and 0's the way a carpenter deals with wood and stain or an engineer deals with equations and designs.

Just treat it like a new skill to learn, and you'll be amazed at your results.

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metalice

13 years ago

If im thinking about Affiliate + SEO. Its alot of time until u see a result , alot of time to do a research and many more needed things.

And all the things i need and want to know about it can be found here? updated?

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paul_1

13 years ago

Metalice....

You really need to focus on building your list ;-) - there is that saying..... "YOUR MONEY IS IN YOUR LIST"

Build a relationship with them and then bank $$$$$ by sending them quality content.

Cheers.

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metalice

13 years ago

I will build one one when ill have traffic.. to somewhere..

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cooler1

13 years ago

It's a myth, you can't do it. (back to the day job).

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richgrad

13 years ago

You can... You just have to change your mindset.

You mentioned you brought in revenue from adsense and clickbank after you invested in advertising... Are you seeing the big picture here?

You brought in revenue! Which means you actually made money online... The only problem is you're spending more in advertising than you're getting back in commissions... That only means that you ought to tweak and test your campaigns to make them profitable!

If I were you, I will examine and test my ad copy, keywords, bidding price, landing page copy, call to action, autoresponder sequence etc.

Making profits online takes work! But if you stick with it, once you've optimized your campaigns, you can just sit back and relax and get a truely passive income (your ads and website and autoresponder are doing all the work for you)

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WebPen

13 years ago

You definitely don't have to just sell ebooks.

Flip domains and/or websites
Make an informative Adsense site
Sell Amazon products
Promote CPA offers (email/zip submits, dating offers, etc.)
Search engine optimization for local businesses
Generate leads for local businesses
Consulting
....there are just tons of ways!

CPA can actually be a great place to start. If you can get a few people to submit their email/zip every day, that's $5-$10 a day, then scale it up.

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Joseph Robinson

Banned 13 years ago

The problem you seem to be having is that you are expecting someone to hand the answers to you. There isn't an ebook, video course, or anything similar that will teach you all you need to know about making money. It's something you have to figure out by working through different methods and concepts and optimizing.

Nothing is given to you for free, but if you are willing to earn it IM can be very lucrative to you.

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crystalDMP

13 years ago

Well I'm sure there are a lot of people who're coaching ppl affiliate marketing out there aren't really successful affiliates themselves, however they make tons of money by selling "tips". I think the sensible thing to do is to read a book or two, get an idea what aff marketing is and what are the methods, then action! You need to invest money, time and energy. Otherwise, everyone would become a millionare through affiliate marekting now.

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Alexa Smith

Banned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by crystalDMP

Well I'm sure there are a lot of people who're coaching ppl affiliate marketing out there aren't really successful affiliates themselves, however they make tons of money by selling "tips".

You're right.

This is a specific problem of the "IM advice" and "Make Money Online" niches.

Barely a day goes by here without a new member asking for help when they're starting off in one of those markets with absolutely no experience at all. And then people wonder why there's so much misinformation around, when it comes to getting internet marketing advice, why so many people giving advice about "article marketing" don't know what an article directory is, and so on and so forth ...

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Eduard Stinga

13 years ago

Get a coach, someone who's already making $. Worked for me

But again, there's a *small* upfront investment required, but it pays in time (long-term).

Most importantly, it doesn't matter if you read all the books or not, you just need to take action on one of them, see what works. If it fails, go on, try something else, eventually, you will succeed!

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metalice 13 years ago

I'm not afraid to take action. I'm doing it for some time now but I don't see any progress. Or any positive progress.

I think I may need to change my niche of the product and choose another one with a better research this time. Or maybe change the whole way.

As for finding a coach I think I need to find one , someone with more experience than me and successful one for sure. But it's also hard to find someone that willing to help you.

I really think that in the process of seo and the right keywords u can get traffic and make money of that but it's so slow. Especially doing everything Manuel. and even if you are hiring someone it doesn't mean u will see result in the next 6 months.
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- vverrall 13 years ago
  
  YES YOU CAN! Yes you need a coach but like any business in life you have to start somewhere, before you spend money on coaches; get one of the most reputable warriors to follow their guidance and put your time and dedication in the project. I personally been following gurus for years with no results, now I have keep things very simple with mindset change and I see a trickle starting.
  
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  Marian 13 years ago
  
  One of the ways that has worked for me is blogging about what you're good at, something that you're interested in.. then add a bit of SEO and you will attract traffic. If you attract traffic you can earn money by adding Adsense and affiliate links.. Promote the blog and build backlinks... chances are you'll soon start to earn money. Of course, the niche or topic you use (and you know about) has to have an existing audience.
  
  There are tons of free stuff like reports, ebooks, etc.. also at this forum - you can use to educate yourself - basic stuff - isntalling blogs, choosing web host, domains, ftp, etc.
  
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Jayzee

13 years ago

You can do online surveys, transcription jobs, data researching, proofreading, resume writing, article writing, ..... there are so much!

Its not you should make money only by internet marketing. Its about picking a suitable online job and manage your time with it. Furthermore, if you've a car and you're living in uk, canada, australia or usa then u can earn simply by putting any company's sticker for companies promotion. You'll easily earn about $500 per month. Howzz that?!

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rts2271 13 years ago

My son is 15.

This April I bought him his own laptop. He's been doing a mix of things with it. He had been busting my rear about earning extra money so he can buy virtual items on a MMO game. I have said no consistently. At the beginning of May, without telling me he began his own quest into IM / Work from home by developing a list of survey sites that are not age restricted. July 1st he got his first check for 1647.93. This is a 15 year old with no IM experience other than what he's heard from dad or around the house from IM friends. He did this essentially in 2 months.

He is now mapping out the whole process, links and putting together his own ebook and survey course. All on his own.
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celente

13 years ago

You can make $100 dollars online a day. or you can make $1000000 dollars a day online.

it all comes down to your knowledge experience and plan.

The how much action you take.

if you can culminate all 3 of these things you are onto a sure thing.

But in saying all that, I know people that have created a 500k business in 6 months, and people who come in here all day for 4 years and still have not made 1 lousy dollar. So i guess you can be teh judge there!

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shireen

13 years ago

Hi:

Shireen here :-)

Provide a good solution to a SPECIFIC problem & you'll see some money rolling in.

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metalice 13 years ago

Ill just try harder.. its seems to me that if ill try harder it mught come. i hope it will come...

If someone of all the nice people that answer my post would like to help me in being mine mentor/guru/coach i will be very much happy
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