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13 years ago

Note To Newbies:

Learn from the Hype

BUT...

Rely on Common Sense!

AND...

No roads will be paved the same for all.

p.s. I'm not saying this as an elder because I'm not old.

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gananathan 13 years ago

My suggestion for newbies will be stop going after the shiny object and stick to something and work on it until you succeed.

The steps I would suggest for newbies:

1. Research various business model and select one you are comfortable with.
2. Research the steps needed to earn money in that model at a high level, not tactics.
3. Decide what you are going to spend - Time or Money or both. If you use both, you will achieve your goals faster. If you use one of them, you will need to use more of it.
4. Identify various steps you need to take (for eg, for affiliate marketing, you need to do market research, keyword research, putting up a website, writing content, either seo or ppc for traffic, conversions and cash checks )
5. Plan the different steps in detail with dates (eg, market research for 1 day, keyword research for 1 day and so on ) and assign dates to those tasks.

Take a week to do the above steps in detail.

6. Implement/Execute your plan.
7. Once you make something, anything, see what worked, what didn't and do more of things that work and less of those that didn't.

You need to get going, do not wait to be perfect. Having a crappy plan and executing it is better than working on a detailed plan for 3 months.

8. Once you get feedback on your sites, learn more and apply it.

9. Hire someone to work with you to document the process for the model.
10. Using money you make, outsource the tasks that you have documented.
11. Scale up using other workers/outsourcers.
12. Go to next model and start from step 2.

13. Get this developed as a process so that others can do the work for you.
14. Enjoy the business you have created and enjoy your freedom!
15. Give back. Help others in some way you can. Lead a fulfilling life!

The main ingredient of success in IM is to get going. Do not wait to learn everything before you begin, you will keep learning forever as things change dramatically everyday.

Get going and achieve success !
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Matt Bard

13 years ago

Here's everything you need to make money online:

1. A product or service. Can be yours or you can be an affiliate.
(If you are going to be an affiliate, find something you already own and believe in.)

2. Place to sell your product from. (website or blog)
Make it your own domain because you don't want a freebie service pulling your business out from under you.

3. A way to get paid. Sign up for any one of the PayPal type services.

4. Get traffic to your site. Use the search function here at the WF for "traffic". Start reading and learning all of the free ways to get it.

Don't mistake activity for accomplishment.

Once you have those elements above in place, everything you do should be improving: Getting traffic, conversions, adding more funnels (have a site making you $10 a day, then make another one and another...)

Utilize this forum. Search threads for the information that you need to make your improvements.

Find members here that have posts and threads that resonate with you and are using business models that are closer to how you want to operate your Internet business.

Subscribe to their lists and buy their products to see their business in action.
Once you feel confident that you can do what your forum mentors are doing, do it.

Do it.

If you need to start a list for your business model, then start your list. If you need a niche blog, then put it together.

Do it.

Are you going to have some failure? Probably. But that's a good thing. Each time you fail, you get closer to succeeding.

Keep it up long enough and you will have the business that you mentor has. You will have the business that you wanted. You will succeed more than you fail.

The secret that everyone has been looking for is to implement what you learn.

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Karen Connell 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Matt Maiden

...Don't mistake activity for accomplishment.

This is one of the best pieces of advice that I've seen on WF for a long time.

Hope to see more of your inspiring posts Matt.

Karen
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- Paul Barrs 13 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Michael Mayo
  
  If you have anything else you would like to share please feel free to add it too! !
  
  Hey Michael,
  
  I came across your post the other day but didn't have time to reply right then so had to bookmark it for a later time...
  
  I'm going to just free-write for a few minutes and see what comes out.
  
  I look at many newbies and there are two standout groups; those who crawl all over here and make lots of replies and get noticed... then there are those who come along, create products, sell them - and get noticed.
  
  The goal for any marketer would be the later!
  
  It doesn't matter how many posts you have or how many FB "friends" you have or how many people follow you on Twitter etc etc. Heck, it doesn't even matter how many "subscribers" you have - what matters is how many products you SELL.
  
  Now, true enough, some people will rant and rave and say "yes, but having these lists and having these things will help sell product..." Yes... BUT ask yourself this question -
  
  Do you want people to follow you because you're nice to follow and have lots of stuff to say, or do you want people to follow you because you create and sell great products?
  
  My call to newer members (and older ones who need the kick) is to BE UNIQUE.
  
  I look at people who make endless unproductive posts... complete waste of time.
  
  I look at people who run endless subscriber ad-swaps and offering nothing but "affiliate offers"... sure you build your list - BUT - complete waste of time. You're only marketing the same stuff to the same people that the same 20-odd other people who swapped those subscribers are also marketing. This is foolish cash-grab which is won by the person who gets the message out "first".
  
  Why not set yourself apart and actually BUY the product that you're promoting, create a quick report (video or PDF or audio) that you'll give away with it and be unique - you could even go out on a limb and give it away to EVERYONE even if they didn't buy the affiliate product from you (they have to be a subscriber to get it).... In time, people WILL come to you to get YOUR REPORTS first - and THEN they will buy from you.
  
  You could even create brandible reports that people can customize and put their affiliate links in them - where each report leads back to your subscriber list....
  
  The point being - YOU are being unique.
  
  of course you could always be 100% UNIQUE and start selling YOUR OWN PRODUCT!
  
  And I don't mean buy PLR that 100 other people have bought and now sell, I mean start from scratch and design a report, a video series, an eBook.
  
  Imagine what might happen if you applied the above affiliate marketing strategy to your own products.
  
  Wow, THAT would certainly be unique and set you apart with the big players.
  
  I guess what I'm trying to say is that there's more to a business that promote promote promote. The most successful businesses in the world design and deliver their own products. THEY are responsible for their own success, they are not dependent on others to determine their destiny.
  
  Anyway, that's my 15 minutes... time to go do some things that will actually make money.
  
  Paul Barrs
  
  PS. Remember at the top of this post I wrote "I came across your post the other day but didn't have time to reply right then so had to bookmark it for a later time..."? That's another key. You don't make money posting to this forum. You don't make money chatting on skype "networking groups". You make money by communicating with your customers and delivering offers that they are looking for.
  
  Some people wonder why after so many years as a member here my post count is still so low. I give myself about 15-20 minutes each few days to stop by and see what I can contribute. I don't spend hours trolling these pages looking for things to say so I can feel important - that's not my job - I don't get paid for that (and I'm not such a nice guy that I'd do it endlessly for free).
  
  I get paid because I communicate with my customers on a regular basis and design products and offers that they want. It's a simple as that. If you did the same thing, you would too.
  
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Michael Mayo

13 years ago

Hi Debra, Hi Matt, Thanks for taking the time to post! Much appreciated.

Hi gananathan,
I've seen Debra and Matt posting here in the past although I
can't recall ever seeing you post here before today.

Welcome Back and Thank you for your time!
Hope we see more posts from you in the future.

Have a Great Day!
Michael

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VegasGreg

13 years ago

Pick one model/system/plan and learn it inside and out and stick with that one plan until it is making you money.

Then, if needed, expand.

Stay away from the WSO section and do not buy every new thing that comes out. This will take you away from your gameplan and distract you and then you will keep trying new things every week and totally stop the original goal.

If you need a particular product/content/service to help with your initial business plan, then you go to the WSO section to find a great deal on it. (If you NEED it, it is probably there.)

Do NOT let the sales letter tell you that you need a product or service, that is what marketers do to you, convince you to buy stuff if you need it or not. If you set your plan up correctly, you will know what you need and what you don't.

You can "study" the sales letters though. so you can learn how to sell your own stuff.

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Mark Andrews

Banned 13 years ago

Pardon me for asking the obvious question but what does time spent on the forum have to do with anything when it comes to imparting advice to newbies?

My join date for getting into business 1981.

Been in business ever since.

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Michael Mayo

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Pete Walker

Pardon me for asking the obvious question but what does time spent on the forum have to do with anything when it comes to imparting advice to newbies?

My join date for getting into business 1981.

Been in business ever since.

Hi Pete,
It has nothing to do with someones time spent here on the forum other
than I was asking in hope that it might surface some of the older members
and get them participating/posting once again.

Nice to meet you and welcome to the Warrior Forum,
Have a Great Day!
Michael

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Gary_The_Ace

13 years ago

The join dates on this forum are irrelevant... this wasn't the first Warrior Forum domain, nor the first forum. It used to reside on a sub-directory of a forum hosting provider called Universal Solutions before it went to its own domain.

-Gary Ambrose

P.S. Yes, my join date here says 2002, but that's not even as far back as it goes... I believe it was 1998, or 1999 on the old forum if I'm not mistaken.

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Andy Money

13 years ago

Not 2005, but it feels like it

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Michael Mayo

13 years ago

Hi Gary,
Good to see you again!
You're right. If I remember correctly it was called Unisol.

We better end the history lessons because WF History threads tend to
vanish pretty quickly...lol

Thanks for chiming in.
Have a Great Day!
Michael

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SunilTanna

13 years ago

Well I'm one of the old boys on this forum, but then again don't believe everything you read... I'm a bit older than 26 chronologically.

Yea, I remember the old forum too!

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Jeff Walker

13 years ago

Gary... you must have been in grade school when you started hanging out here.

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myob 13 years ago

Being one of the old boys, I have enjoyed success early, so perhaps it may appear I have just been clowning around alot here. But in my most solemn tone here is my advice to all the newbies, (which comparatively speaking includes almost everyone) :

The Warrior Forum is packed with million-dollar ideas, especially in the War Room. Ultimately it comes down to the decision to choose not what or how, but which opportunity to pursue. Pay attention to the early posts by Allen in My Ideas, Strategies & Plans and the legacy of those who have been where you are now.

With the right mindset including goal-setting, planning, and motivation, nothing can stop you. Without those essential basics, however, nothing can help you. Success or failure begins in the mind.
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Gary_The_Ace 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Jeff Walker

Gary... you must have been in grade school when you started hanging out here.

I actually think I'd just dropped out of college around that point...

-Gary
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R Hagel

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Michael Mayo

Please tell us what you have had to do to stay ahead and what do you
recommend that newer warriors do that will help them to ?

Short answer...

Use your noggin.

Long answer...

So many people look for the push-button formula. They look for new opportunities. They look for new advertising venues. They look for things to be delivered on a silver platter so that they don't need to think (or even work).

But they never stop to ask questions. They never try to figure out why things work. They just don't think things through.

Case in point: a beginner focuses on getting traffic. They see someone offering a bazillion "hits." They buy their bazillion hits... and then are disappointed to find they didn't make a single sale or even get a single subscriber.

They wasted their money. They wasted time. And now they belive this whole IM thing doesn't work.

Think, man, think. In this example, hits mean nothing. It's like putting an offer for quilting patterns in front of a group of Hell's Angels. Not very likely to sell too many patterns, right? That's because it's an untargeted offer.

Before you roll out a product...

Before you develop a marketing strategy...

Before you even develop your overall business plan...

Stop and think. Ask WHY something works. Ask WHY something won't work. Understand the basics. Understand a bit about psychology and marketing. Think for yourself rather than just looking for a formula or following along like a lamb going to slaughter. Then you'll be better equipped to start making real money.

~Becky

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Kay King 13 years ago

I joined I 2001 or 2002 when I bought a product of Allen's and membership here was included. I had no idea what people here were talking about most of the time. Like many newbies, I got sidetracked doing other things and came back here in 2004.

The thing about being on the WF for years is you see the same problems, misconceptions and mistakes over and over. You also watch as other newbies become real marketers - and that's fun.

Look for people to learn from - not people to follow.

Treat IM like a business. Terms of service are "terms", not suggestions. Ignorance is not an excuse and second chances not guaranteed.

Think about and plan what you are doing - instead of trying to latch on to one online sensation or another to squeeze out a few bucks.

Don't read sales pages! It will cost you money and you won't utilize half of the stuff you buy. When you need something - look for it and then read the sales pages, including the fine print, before you buy.

Be as honest as you can be - even when it's not the popular thing to do or not the easy thing to do.

Don't try to know everything about every new product or service or tool introduced - you don't need them all and it's a time suck to follow all the fads. Find what suits YOU - and work on that every day.

...and always keep asking questions (after using "search" of course)

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Danny Turner

13 years ago

Well, for a realative newbie... get off the forum and go and do some work!

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Michele Miller 13 years ago

I remember that old forum too.

My advice to newbies is stay focused and follow through
with one thing first, instead of multiple projects. Also,
learn as much as you can about the fundamentals of this business.
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Elmer Hurlstone 13 years ago

Sorry Michael, I can't help on this one.

Being the late bloomer I am I arrived the following year.

I hereby defer to my elders.

Elmer
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- Michael Mayo 13 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Elmer Hurlstone
  
  Sorry Michael, I can't help on this one.
  
  Being the late bloomer I am I arrived the following year.
  
  I hereby defer to my elders.
  
  Elmer
  
  Elmer, Happy Birthday!
  
  I'm enjoying seeing the elders posting here. There's a lot nuggets in the posts above.
  
  Thanks everyone, I sure hope some of the other elders also post their wisdom/knowledge.
  
  Have a Great Day!
  Michael
  
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tpw

13 years ago

Join Date: 07-01-2004

But I had only 100 posts in my first six years.

My rules for online success are simple:

1. Learn as much as you can everyday.

2. Put what you have learned into practice as quickly and often as possible.

3. Set a goal, and work towards that goal.

4. Leave the forum once in a while, so you can actually do real work and make real money.

5. Build more buy buttons.

6. Build more links to your buy buttons.

7. Rinse and repeat.

p.s. Back to work... Catch you on my next work break...

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derekwong28

13 years ago

Be a newbie again and again.

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kindsvater

13 years ago

When I joined it was after a long courtship where I found forum information through the search engines, but since it was a closed / paid forum and the home page was nothing more than a graphic, I had to go find a product to buy that also gave me membership access.

Advice: do what I did and set aside a week to find and read every post by Allen, and anyone else whose opinion you trust.

Take notes.

Implement as appropriate.

You're in a business so treat this seriously. It can be difficult knowing exactly who is behind a username, so trust and verify.

New technologies come and go, but many effective strategies will remain the same.

I think you're better off reading one of Allen's books from a years ago, even if websites referenced in it are long gone, than reading a WSO from new member pegg5498 who primary purpose is to make quick money instead of imparting useful knowledge.

Finally, the Internet is much more competitive today. Huge corporations have gone under by not being able to adapt.

I remember when AOL first opened access to the Internet in 1994. There were actually announcement lists for each new website.

Can you imagine that today?

That means you need to work hard at providing excellence in whatever it is you do.

Good thread Michael. I too had been noticing more posts by "elders" - and this is good. When I see someone posting with an older date by their name I do tend to pay more attention to what the say.

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Rus Sells

13 years ago

Hey does lurking count?

I lurked and then created an account back then but damned if I forgot all my log in details! That was back when I was a newbie and didn't keep track of the account details. Now I'm motivated to see if my original account still exists!

PS: I found my old profile thanks to Mr. Mayo peaking my interest! I don't qualify by two months! I'll quietly go sit in the corner now.

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LMC

13 years ago

Well, don't have the joined date in the sidebar, but I was a frequent lurker of the forum some time back when it was on a Snitz platform and the domain was /forum...

I think that was WF circa 05/06

Back when there was no 3rd page bumping in the WSO section and if someone replied to a WSO it went to the top of the page... good old days

Was brought here through some product but I don't believe it was an Allen Says product. That was right at the moment when I started to make some good money online, back then you used to have the conversations of Mike Filsaime and Rich Schefren, sometimes Michael Fortin, etc, etc

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Tsnyder

13 years ago

Newbies... pay attention... this is the "secret"

The #1 reason people fail at anything is lack of skills... PERIOD.

Here's the formula for GUARANTEED success:

1. Learn the skills required to become successful at whatever
it is you want to do.

2. Apply those skills on a consistent daily basis.

Anyone trying to sell you a "magic pill" that says it's
more complicated than that is just trying to take your
money. Put them on your do not fly list...

Tsnyder
Old Timer... lol

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Steve B 13 years ago

I can't help but think this old guy was a true Warrior:

"Beware of little expenses; a small leak will sink a great ship."

"In short, the way to wealth, if you desire it, is as plain as the way to market. It depends chiefly on two words, industry and frugality; that is, waste neither time nor money, but make the best use of both."

"The use of money is all the advantage there is in having money."

Ben Franklin
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Bigdadda

13 years ago

There is great advice here, some of the best I've seen.

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Suthan M 13 years ago

If you want to make money online, you should stop reading and go and do what brings in the dough. Simple as that. :p

And no, i am not an elder. I just got in early, thats all
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Ga RedNeck

13 years ago

Id say learn somthing that makes money dont stop halfway thru it,
Then times it by 10 and make more money.

Once thats happened then look for other methods and repeat

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skidog30

13 years ago

I wish everyone here nothing but success. I would say as someone else said:
Don't confuse motion with progress, and write out a business plan or at least a mindmap of what you are trying to do. So many just buy a push-button product to "fix" something, yet they don't even have an idea where they are headed.

Also take a look at the "older" folks info, all or nearly all are War Room members. Don't be afraid to invest in that, it will pay back many times over.

Best to all,
Chris

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Michael Oksa

13 years ago

I just wanted to say thanks to Michael Mayo for encouraging veterans of this forum to make a post or two.

This newbie, for one, enjoys hearing from them and it would be great to see continued input from all members.

However...I also noticed that a few people had to start jumping on the concept of the OP right away...and that alone can discourage people who simply don't have time for such nonsense.

See, I'm not as long standing of a member, but I empathize with the "bigger" names here. Sometimes, yes sometimes, they really are just trying to help by sharing some of their knowledge...then what happens?

Ulterior motives are called into question, accusations of "pre-selling" are made, and premises are debunked.

Now, don't get me wrong on those things. There certainly is a time and place for them, and it's okay to call people out. BUT...BUT...BUT...

Then don't trun around and complain that "none of the big dogs ever post here". You can't have it both ways.

Hmm...that was weird...I really started this as a quick note to thank Michael, and it turned into a mini-rant in support of my forum elders.

All the best,
Michael "Heart Firmly On Sleeve" Oksa

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Tim_Carter

13 years ago

I actually joined before there was even a forum. It was called "The Warrior Secret Site". Must have been in the early 90's.

Then got serious again and started full time (well income wise - not time wise) in 2005. Never looked back!

Makesmiles.

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