What is Black Hat Blogging really mean?

Banned 13 years ago

Don't worry about anything that has to do with black hat. The term means using tactics that are immoral, spammy or illegal. It's not worth your time; but if you are twisted enough to think it is you are definitely on the wrong forum.

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charlso1

13 years ago

ok, but can i see example of the site. seeing is believing

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Kyle Stankiewicz 13 years ago

Black Hat stuff usually looks no different than a regular blog for the most part. The tactics behind them is where the Black Hat part lies. For example, the content you are reading on a Black Hat site may very well have been the result of Craigslist postings that read "Send in a sample 500 word article so we can see how good you are for future work". Of course, these blackhatters have no future work and are just farming writers for free content. This is one of the more amoral samples, but this is the kind of thing they do. They play dirty. (Can't really say anything different about here, except the dirty parts are more subtle and behind the scenes.)
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charlso1

13 years ago

Thanks kyle for the info. That is the kind of answer i needed

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jwmann2 13 years ago

Anything black hat is just considered a shortcut. Anything worthwhile takes time and tons of effort. Use proven SEO techniques and stick to your guns!
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rosetrees

13 years ago

Hey - what happened to blue fart?

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Kyle Stankiewicz 13 years ago

Originally Posted by rosetrees

Hey - what happened to blue fart?

Showing my "newby" side here, but what/who is blue fart and why was black*hatter replaced with bluefartter? Seems like it has a funny story associated with it.
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sbucciarel Banned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by rosetrees

Hey - what happened to blue fart?

It only works when you type blackhat without the space between black hat
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J Bold

13 years ago

Originally Posted by rosetrees

Hey - what happened to blue fart?

put the words "black" and "hat" together into a compound word and you get blackhat.

No, I meant "blackhat." Dang it, see?

Still works...

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rosetrees

13 years ago

Originally Posted by redicelander

No, I meant "BlueFart." Dang it, see?

Still works...

Lol

OP - if you go the black hat route you will spend your life wondering why:

* your websites keep being taken down by their hosts
* your accounts at paypal/adsense/clickbank/anywhere else keep getting suspended
* your reputation anywhere other than bh forums is, politely ****

On your own head be it, as they say!

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saxatwork

13 years ago

Originally Posted by rosetrees

Lol

OP - if you go the black hat route you will spend your life wondering why:

* your websites keep being taken down by their hosts
* your accounts at paypal/adsense/clickbank/anywhere else keep getting suspended
* your reputation anywhere other than bh forums is, politely ****

On your own head be it, as they say!

Rightly said... and especially adsense is well known to have waited until the last minute before they cancel your account (that is, if your payout is, say $100, they kill your account anywhere from $85 to $100).

On a different note, marketing has it's own ethics and ways to reach customers. Most common way is simply to find the needy and give them what they need. There are perhaps ways to speed up the process for making money, but some of them don't play by the rules, and are risky, which classifies them as BlueFart. And then there are people who do too much of speeding up that they bump on the speed breaker and break a couple of bones, sometimes the important ones. You get the picture

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P.S. I see what you mean by BlueFart... BlueFart... damn!

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StrongCode

13 years ago

I think it doesnt worth a try. You will waste your time, thats it.

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Fazal Mayar

13 years ago

maybe autoblogs?

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sbucciarel

Banned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by charlso1

If people use such technique, i think it worth trying.

Then go to google and type in black hat forum. That'll be your crowd.

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charlso1 13 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

Then go to google and type in black hat forum. That'll be your crowd.

okay, if that will help
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Targeted Traffic 13 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

Then go to google and type in black hat forum. That'll be your crowd.

haha...nice....
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christopher jon

13 years ago

blaqhat

that works too

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Kurt

13 years ago

Google feels anything that is against their rules is black-hat. Google doesn't play by my rules, so I don't feel any reponsibility to play by their's.

And to lump all black-hat tactics into a singe definition is inaccurate at best. IMO there's a big difference between stealing someone else's content and buyig a text link to get better ranking in Google.

Google sells text links, so why can't I buy and sell them? And why do I have to report this to Google? Do they report everything they do to me?

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TolyZ

13 years ago

All what black hat about is to see how much you can get away with before you get caught ...
I know people that made 1000s with Black hat methods in few weeks.
Just look at it that way ... you can make a 1000 now and get banned etc. where you'd have to find a new method or you can get a recurring income but it'll take you a while to get there.

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Michael Meaney

13 years ago

Many of the "white hat" techniques we use today will one day become "black hat" techniques, as soon as Google decides they don't like it.

Doorway pages used to be cool, cloaking, keyword stuffing.. now nobody would even think about doing that stuff, but once upon a time all that was at the core of the SEO industry.

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Kate_Kruz

13 years ago

I think black hat is what happens here on this forum sometimes through WSOs, a lot of the WSOs I have bought here on the warrior forum have not lived up to what the sales copy promises, I sometimes feel I have been ripped off, so if black hat is unethical than I feel I have been Black hatted right here on this forum by some of the rehashed WSOs that I have wasted money on while the product creator is laughing all the way to the bank.

I must admit though that the free shared information on this forum is great for marketers especially being a war room member, this investment has paid for itself many times over plus you can learn all you need to learn to become successful in marketing if you apply the methods and teachings from other warrior members who have contributed greatly to this forum for the benefit of all of us in online marketing

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IM Ash

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Kate_Kruz

I think black hat is what happens here on this forum sometimes through WSOs, a lot of the WSOs I have bought here on the warrior forum have not lived up to what the sales copy promises, I sometimes feel I have been ripped off, so if black hat is unethical than I feel I have been Black hatted right here on this forum by some of the rehashed WSOs that I have wasted money on while the product creator is laughing all the way to the bank.

I personally only purchase software and services from the forum. There are some really quality software products and SEO services on offer. But when it comes to courses, "secrets" and anything that directly targets the abundance desires that we all possess - I stay away!

Marketers will use various techniques to sell their products but we need to use our own marketing minds to make a distinction between what is unrealistic, what is hype, and what is complete BS. Being able to make that distinction comes with experience and the fact that you feel you have been deceived adds to your personal experience.

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Why9999

13 years ago

Originally Posted by charlso1

If people use such technique, i think it worth trying.

My definition of Black Hat = Big Waste of Time. Seriously, you only have so much time in life, so why would you waste the precious little time you have here on planet earth doing something completely useless?

Here's another way to think about it:

Everybody has a few talents: spend the time developing those talents. Those are what are going to make you the big bucks if you'll just be patient and not waste your time doing spammy, hacking crap.

If you're good at writing, write. If you're good at marketing, market. If you're good at graphic design, then design. But don't fart away your life doing smoke and mirror tricks...

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mattlaclear

13 years ago

Some here might be surprised to learn that all link campaigns are black hat. Whether it be article marketing, profile links, blog comments, social bookmarks or even owning a blog network.

The reason people posts links is to game the search engines into believing other site owners are linking to your site.

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fluffythewondercat

13 years ago

Some here might be surprised to learn that all link campaigns are black hat.

Yes, I would be very surprised to hear that...since it isn't true.

The reason people posts links is to game the search engines into believing other site owners are linking to your site.

Cynical much?

Some of us are actually operating true to the original intent of the Internet: exchanging information with peers for mutual benefit. Leaving relevant, thought-provoking blog comments is one way to do that.

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mattlaclear

13 years ago

Originally Posted by fluffythewondercat

Some here might be surprised to learn that all link campaigns are black hat.

Yes, I would be very surprised to hear that...since it isn't true.

The reason people posts links is to game the search engines into believing other site owners are linking to your site.

Cynical much?

Some of us are actually operating true to the original intent of the Internet: exchanging information with peers for mutual benefit. Leaving relevant, thought-provoking blog comments is one way to do that.

fLufF
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So in your mind the reason marketers submit backlinks is???

Edit: When you leave a thought provoking comment on someone's blog with a direct backlink to your site you fool the search engines into believing that the owner of that site is recommending your site. Which is why it generates link juice so effectively.

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IM Ash

13 years ago

Originally Posted by fluffythewondercat

Leaving relevant, thought-provoking blog comments is one way to do that.

Just a question: will you still leave that relevant, thought-provoking comment if there was no opportunity to link back to your site? And if your relevant, thought-provoking comment wasn't accepted by a blogger - will that stir up your emotions?

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saxatwork

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Eleva8

Just a question: will you still leave that relevant, thought-provoking comment if there was no opportunity to link back to your site? And if your relevant, thought-provoking comment wasn't accepted by a blogger - will that stir up your emotions?

well, there are some blog posts which still live up to a reply even though it doesn't allow a link back. I've seen some in my life which have made me look at the Donate button and think that I'll make a donation to this guy some day.

Yes, it does make me feel bad at times when it doesn't get listed there... but I've always made sure to leave a link back to my site which covers the emotions up

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fitz10

13 years ago

Originally Posted by fluffythewondercat

Some of us are actually operating true to the original intent of the Internet: exchanging information with peers for mutual benefit. Leaving relevant, thought-provoking blog comments is one way to do that.

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If that were true you would just post the comment and no link back to your site. I'm not saying your blog comments or articles or whatever else you post aren't helpful, I'm just saying the simple fact that you leave a link with them would be considered "black*hat" by Google since they only believe in "natural linking".

Now a lot of people here use their own definition of "black*hat" to include only those truly nefarious and potentially illegal tactics like sending out bulk emails collected from scraping, posting content which isn't yours to post, or hacking into sites to redirect them to your own, but as others have said, Google really does consider any link building campaign to be "black hat".

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fluffythewondercat

13 years ago

Originally Posted by fitz10

If that were true you would just post the comment and no link back to your site. I'm not saying your blog comments or articles or whatever else you post aren't helpful, I'm just saying the simple fact that you leave a link with them would be considered "black*hat" by Google since they only believe in "natural linking".

It *is* natural linking, put there for the purpose of allowing the blogger and/or her visitors to find out more about me. They can choose to pursue it or not; the blogger can retain the link or delete it. Her choice.

I get return visits from bloggers all the time. I've struck up relationships with some fascinating people that way.

Your premise is absurd. Many of you would be well-served to do a little fundamental research about what the Internet (and later, the Web) actually is and what it was meant to be. Some of us are old enough to have been there at the time and to have participated in discussions. It is certainly not about grabbing as much for yourself with both hands as you can, as so many people I will not dignify with the title of marketer seem to think.

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Kurt

13 years ago

Originally Posted by fluffythewondercat

It *is* natural linking, put there for the purpose of allowing the blogger and/or her visitors to find out more about me. They can choose to pursue it or not; the blogger can retain the link or delete it. Her choice.

I get return visits from bloggers all the time. I've struck up relationships with some fascinating people that way.

Your premise is absurd. Many of you would be well-served to do a little fundamental research about what the Internet (and later, the Web) actually is and what it was meant to be. Some of us are old enough to have been there at the time and to have participated in discussions. It is certainly not about grabbing as much for yourself with both hands as you can, as so many people I will not dignify with the title of marketer seem to think.

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Maybe you need to send a memo to Google. It seems they missed your message highlighted in red above.

And what's really absurd is your own blog comments with self-serving links back to your own site. It isn't your opinion that matters, it's what Google claims is black-hat (according to the context of Matt's posts), and according to Google, linking back to your own site IS BlueFart. Looks like you need to send another memo to Google.

And NO, linking to your own sites is NOT natural, according to those of us that are old enough to know what PageRank is all about. And that accordig to PR, a link is a "citation" from another site, owner not a link you put up yourself.

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mattlaclear

13 years ago

Originally Posted by fluffythewondercat

It *is* natural linking, put there for the purpose of allowing the blogger and/or her visitors to find out more about me. They can choose to pursue it or not; the blogger can retain the link or delete it. Her choice.

I get return visits from bloggers all the time. I've struck up relationships with some fascinating people that way.

Your premise is absurd. Many of you would be well-served to do a little fundamental research about what the Internet (and later, the Web) actually is and what it was meant to be. Some of us are old enough to have been there at the time and to have participated in discussions. It is certainly not about grabbing as much for yourself with both hands as you can, as so many people I will not dignify with the title of marketer seem to think.

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Do you use anchor text in your thought provoking blog comments?

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fitz10

13 years ago

Originally Posted by fluffythewondercat

It *is* natural linking, put there for the purpose of allowing the blogger and/or her visitors to find out more about me. They can choose to pursue it or not; the blogger can retain the link or delete it. Her choice.

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That may be, but in Google's eyes it is not natural since the person who is doing the linking is the creator of the content. The whole point of Google tracking backlinks is to decipher the authority of a site. Theoretically, if a whole bunch of people are linking to a site that means it holds a lot of authority. Any time you post your link somewhere it is gaining false authority. That's just the way it is with Google, you don't have to agree with it, you don't have to follow what they say, but it is what it is.

I agree with you that blog commenting has a non SEO purpose (I myself get quite a bit of non-search engine traffic with the same method) BUT that's not with this thread is about and that's not the point I was trying to make.

Further I find it kind of rude that you imply that I'm somehow I'm the one grabbing things for myself without giving. You have no clue who I am or what I do or how old I am for that matter.

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sbucciarel

Banned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by fluffythewondercat

[i]Cynical much?

Some of us are actually operating true to the original intent of the Internet: exchanging information with peers for mutual benefit. Leaving relevant, thought-provoking blog comments is one way to do that.

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So, are your thought provoking comments posted by Fluffy the Wondercat or are they posted by Best Colon Cleanse?

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halfbakedrew 13 years ago

Black Hat is not illegal. If you dont know what you are talking about then dont say anything... Spam a blog by using tools to post commits on 1000's of blogs. This is the most common way to "black hat" a blog. It is ok to do this just not 1000's at a time, But you have to ask your self this " If Google knows people are doing this will they slap you for doing it? " It is best to hand write your commits for each blog you post to rather then using a tool that could post to a pet blog rather then a car blog. See what I am saying?...
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pratap295

13 years ago

Black Hat Blogging is a techniques that are used to get higher search rankings in an unethical manner. These black hat SEO techniques usually include one or more of the following characteristics:

breaks search engine rules and regulations
creates a poor user experience directly because of the black hat SEO techniques utilized on the Web site
unethically presents content in a different visual or non-visual way to search engine spiders and search engine users.

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travlinguy

13 years ago

Black Hat refers to tactics you use on other people's Blogs but tactics you don't want other people to use on your Blogs.

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Jolia

13 years ago

Black hat blogging is about doing whatever you can to drive traffic and revenue. It's a kind of technique which compromise the validity of Search Engine Results. You have to remember that the goal search engines is to find relevant content for the searchers.

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nicholls

13 years ago

black hat blogging is a spammy technique using of these Google can penalize your website

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johnny_h

13 years ago

Google - Black Hat Forum - go ask over there.

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2011profit

13 years ago

black hat blogging is not really a good thing to do. These are the works of desperate individuals who wants get what they want which is ruining others business.

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chumpschimps

13 years ago

Some people believe that black hat is only the spammy stuff, like using software to post irreleveant comments on thousands of blogs.

Others believe that anything other than totally natural linking is black hat.

I'm in the second camp and believe that as soon as you start manipulating search engine results, it's black hat.

I think some of the big questions are:

Would you still spend so much time wrting blog comments if there was no SEO benefit?
Would you change your signature link on forums like this if there was no SEO benefit?
Would you search and post in forums if there was no SEO benefit?
Would you still...

If your answer to any of these questions is 'no', then you're manipulating search engine results and that's black hat.

Do people do it? Of course they do... It's about keeping up with your competitors.

SEO is about gaming the system. Some people choose to believe there are 'white hat' techniques (not spammy) and black hat techniques (anything goes!) but posting links to your own site probably isn't what Google had in mind when they set up the system.

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