Congruence + Consistency = Credibility

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I see all sorts of people making posts that say
one thing and then doing something that's
completely at variance with what they say. It's
like watching someone say "No" while they're
nodding their heads in agreement.

I see all sorts of people who recommend a
specific course of action one day and the very
next day their recommendation is that you do
the complete opposite. OK, I accept that things
change; and online things have a habit of changing
more quickly than anywhere else. However, I get
very suspicious about people's intentions when
their messages lack consistency.

When you lack congruence and consistency, you
lose credibility. When you lose credibility, you lose
the trust of your target audience.

Several people have lost my trust because of what
they did to their credibility of the past few days.

They'll never know about it, I simply decided that I
no longer wish to do business with them. I'm no
longer on their lists, I'm not following them on twitter,
I won't participate in any JV's with them.

Just remember.. people that frequent the same forums
will also connect on other sites such as Facebook,
Myspace, Twitter and a myriad of other places. Screw
up your credibility on just one site and you can virtually
guarantee that your screw up will spill over to other
sites too.

The real lesson is that it can work to your advantage too.

People who walk the talk, who are congruent and
consistent will build their credibility and online reputation.

Hint: Think globally, act locally.


John
#congruence #consistency #credibility
  • Profile picture of the author R Hagel
    John,

    So how come last week you posted a messages saying that we SHOULD be incongruent and inconsistent? Hmmm?

    j/k

    Totally agree with your post. Some people seem to think that every site they visit is a "bubble" or a vacuum. Like whatever they say or do in one place isn't going to spill over to another place.

    But you gotta wonder why someone is acting totally different on different sites. Like you, when I spot that, I cross them off my list of people to do business with.

    Cheers,
    Becky
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  • Profile picture of the author tomw
    I couldn't agree more. I also follow a few people around the various networks here and there out of genuine interest in what they are saying and selling. I am often very surprised at their pretty unbelievable incongruence and inconsistency of character, never mind their "advice!"

    Like you have experienced, there have been many folks that have ensured that I would never associate with them when I was following my own process of deciding whether or not to because I was indeed interested in doing so.

    It even happens right on this forum, daily!

    Thanks for a speaking up (again!).

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  • Profile picture of the author Derek_Franklin
    John,

    Your post got me to follow you on Twitter!

    Derek
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  • Profile picture of the author JayXtreme
    Awww... c'mon...

    What did I do now, dude??.... just because I said I wasn't going to drink, or did I say I was going to drink?... errr.... well whatever it was, I went and did the opposite anyways..



    Peace

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  • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
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    Good advice John. Integrity is important. And congruence and consistency definitely builds credibility. (That's really catchy I'm going to write that down.) To be honest I'm kind of tired of people calling other people out and saying they'll never do business with them. No one is perfect and we all make mistakes. Particularly when we're learning. Look at Frank Kern. He started out by getting in trouble with the Government. But I bet if he offered you a prosperous JV Partnership now you'd jump at the chance. Even so thank you for the great post John. When people apply your advice I think they'll be more successful.
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    • Profile picture of the author marcanthony
      Originally Posted by ZigZag View Post

      Good advice John. Integrity is important. And congruence and consistency definitely builds credibility. (That's really catchy I'm going to write that down.) To be honest I'm kind of tired of people calling other people out and saying they'll never do business with them. No one is perfect and we all make mistakes. Particularly when we're learning. Look at Frank Kern. He started out by getting in trouble with the Government. But I bet if he offered you a prosperous JV Partnership now you'd jump at the chance. Even so thank you for the great post John. When people apply your advice I think they'll be more successful.

      This is a rather confusing response...
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      • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
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        Originally Posted by marcanthony View Post

        This is a rather confusing response...
        Oh it's very simple. If a person makes some genuine mistakes (they're not being congruent or consistent) then don't worry about it. It's impossible to be congruent and consistent 100% of the time anyway. And making mistakes is all part of the learning process. Does that make more sense to you Marcanthony? I can't think of explaining at any simpler than that.
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        • Profile picture of the author Eric Lorence
          Basing a decision on a business relationship solely on any internet "persona", forum posts, blog posts, etc. would be ill advised in any circumstance.

          Thanks for wisdom John
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        • Profile picture of the author James Schramko
          Originally Posted by ZigZag View Post

          Oh it's very simple. If a person makes some genuine mistakes (they're not being congruent or consistent) then don't worry about it. It's impossible to be congruent and consistent 100% of the time anyway. And making mistakes is all part of the learning process. Does that make more sense to you Marcanthony? I can't think of explaining at any simpler than that.
          I get what you are saying. There are a lot of different moods, emotions, hormones in some cases, pressures and reasons why people would be inconsistent from time to time.

          It will come down to the tolerance factor.
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          • Profile picture of the author ExRat
            Hi,

            And congruence and consistency definitely builds credibility.
            Anyone see the incongruence with the above quote from someone who calls themselves 'zigzag'.
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            • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
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              Originally Posted by ExRat View Post

              Hi,



              Anyone see the incongruence with the above quote from someone who calls themselves 'zigzag'.
              Person who call himself Rat shouldn't interrupt person called ZigZag.
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              • Profile picture of the author Killer Joe
                Originally Posted by ZigZag View Post

                Person who call himself Rat shouldn't interrupt person called ZigZag.
                ZZ,

                He's an ExRat, so that doesn't apply any longer...

                KJ
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                • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
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                  Originally Posted by Killer Joe View Post

                  ZZ,

                  He's an ExRat, so that doesn't apply any longer...

                  KJ
                  Just a joke Killer Joe. You don't have to take everything seriously. By the way I'm the only person who thanked John out of you lot arguing with me and I did think that it was a valuable post. I've actually written down the thread title. And what you've mentioned Killer Joe is exactly the point that I made earlier. That being that it's OK to make some mistakes (even if they're still online like Frank Kern's start with Internet Marketing) and ultimately become a respectable business person.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Killer Joe
                    Originally Posted by ZigZag View Post

                    Just a joke Killer Joe. You don't have to take everything seriously.
                    ZZ,

                    If you think I take everything seriously you obviously haven't read my blog posts here...

                    And for the record, I probably should have used one of those smiley things after my last post for clarification

                    KJ
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                    • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
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                      Well let's try and keep the thread on topic KJ.
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                      • Profile picture of the author Killer Joe
                        Originally Posted by ZigZag View Post

                        Well let's try and keep the thread on topic KJ.
                        Agreed, my apologies...

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            • Profile picture of the author Richard Tunnah
              Originally Posted by ExRat View Post

              Hi,



              Anyone see the incongruence with the above quote from someone who calls themselves 'zigzag'.
              Can you speak in 'small words' Roger for us 'somewhat wordly challenged'??
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        • Profile picture of the author marcanthony
          Originally Posted by ZigZag View Post

          Oh it's very simple. If a person makes some genuine mistakes (they're not being congruent or consistent) then don't worry about it. It's impossible to be congruent and consistent 100% of the time anyway. And making mistakes is all part of the learning process. Does that make more sense to you Marcanthony? I can't think of explaining at any simpler than that.
          I see what you mean...
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          • Profile picture of the author Eric Lorence
            Originally Posted by ZigZag
            Oh it's very simple. If a person makes some genuine mistakes (they're not being congruent or consistent) then don't worry about it. It's impossible to be congruent and consistent 100% of the time anyway. And making mistakes is all part of the learning process. Does that make more sense to you Marcanthony? I can't think of explaining at any simpler than that.


            I think the OP was talking about more blatant examples then just a simple mistake.
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            • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
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              Originally Posted by Eric Lorence View Post

              I think the OP was talking about more blatant examples then just a simple mistake.
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              Then why's he bringing his personal problems to the forum and trying to scare people into being good business people? I would have preferred a more positive post. And I'm very incongruent. When my girlfriend asks me does her bum look big in her jeans I say "No." I've tried saying "To be honest it looks big in everything" as a joke but she didn't find it funny. *Grin*
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    • Profile picture of the author John Taylor
      Originally Posted by ZigZag View Post

      To be honest I'm kind of tired of people calling other people out and saying they'll never do business with them.
      Although I'm more than happy to question and
      challenge people when I see them making posts
      that are factually incorrect or misleading, you'll
      notice in my original post I said "They'll never
      know" - I just quietly disassociate myself from
      people when I lose trust in them.

      Two seperate and distinct issues.

      No one is perfect and we all make mistakes. Particularly when we're learning.
      I agree, I'm usually very tolerant and I'm not immune
      from making the occasional mistake myself.

      However, it's the patterns of incongruence and the
      inconsistent behaviour that raises the red flags for me
      and not the occasional mistake.

      John
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  • Profile picture of the author Dana_W
    Well, when you say something on the internet it lives FOREVER - so if you say one thing and promptly do something else, people do notice.

    Even deleted threads live forever - you can find them by searching for cached threads. I'm not saying I'm perfect (well, ok, I am, but why brag) - but everything that I type, I know it's as permanent as a tattoo on the internet's memory. My years as a newspaper reporter have taught me that whatever you say and do will be remembered and if you go back on it, like a politician flip-flopping and going back on all his campaign pledges, people WILL call you on it, or quietly stop following and listening to you.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
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      Originally Posted by Killer Joe View Post

      Agreed, my apologies...

      KJ
      No probs.

      Originally Posted by Dana_W View Post

      Well, when you say something on the internet it lives FOREVER - so if you say one thing and promptly do something else, people do notice.

      Even deleted threads live forever - you can find them by searching for cached threads. I'm not saying I'm perfect (well, ok, I am, but why brag) - but everything that I type, I know it's as permanent as a tattoo on the internet's memory. My years as a newspaper reporter have taught me that whatever you say and do will be remembered and if you go back on it, like a politician flip-flopping and going back on all his campaign pledges, people WILL call you on it, or quietly stop following and listening to you.

      Yeah I think you've made an execllent point there Dana_W. I know from experience that sometimes what you say on media which is permanent can come back to haunt you. And that happens to everyone to a certain extent. Even people like Eben Pegen have said stuff which he later regretted. So I definitely think it's important that people think before they write or say something. Personally I'm not too concerend about my reputation.

      Something I value is people who speak their mind and don't put a facade on for other people. I suppose a person can be 100% authentic, real, and sincere, or they can be partly "fake." Something which builds trust with me is people who admit that they're not perfect and have made mistakes in their lifetime. Because that applies to everyone. I suppose we could say that being somewhat incongruent can sometimes be a good thing.
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    • Profile picture of the author ExRat
      Hi zigzag,

      Person who call himself Rat shouldn't interrupt person called ZigZag
      Nice one. Except it's actually impossible to interrupt someone on a message board such as this.

      Then why's he bringing his personal problems to the forum and trying to scare people into being good business people?
      Ay? You make no sense here. John was simply offering some very good advice. I see no 'bringing of personal problems' at all. :confused:
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      • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
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        Originally Posted by ExRat View Post

        Hi zigzag,



        Nice one. Except it's actually impossible to interrupt someone on a message board such as this.



        Ay? You make no sense here. John was simply offering some very good advice. I see no 'bringing of personal problems' at all. :confused:
        Oh well. This is a discussion forum and if everyone agreed with everything it would be a boring place. I'm entitled to my opinion and to contribute a different perspective.
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  • Profile picture of the author Monetize
    Originally Posted by John Taylor View Post

    I see all sorts of people making posts that say
    one thing and then doing something that's
    completely at variance with what they say.
    I don't read everyone's posts or keep up with all the claims that
    are made here but I've noticed that some people's income claims
    seem preposterous and they are usually busted when somewhere
    down the road they divulge some personal lifestyle information
    which is inconsistent with their previous assertions. It's especially
    bothersome when warriors base their WSO sales pages (or their
    other sales materials) on these seemingly false revenue claims.
    Why state your revenues anyway? Who cares?

    Another thing that makes me wonder; if you (the person making
    the questionable income claims) are making so much money, then
    why can't you ever take a day (or a few days) off from posting
    to the forum?
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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Hancox
    Absolutely, John.

    Being congruent is #4 in my list of 7 "secrets" to being optimally persuasive.

    I think that partly explains why many parents quickly lose influence with their children as they become teenagers. They relied on "Do as I say, not as I do" a bit too often.

    I'd suggest that a big reason incongruous people lose influence is because, when we detect the incongruity, it allows our mind to doubt the message (and the messenger). We can no longer be certain about either.

    I'll admit, I don't always match up to my own standards.

    I'm trying, however. (And you can read that how you like )
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    • Profile picture of the author tomw
      Originally Posted by Paul Hancox View Post

      Being congruent is #4 in my list of 7 "secrets" to being optimally persuasive.

      I think that partly explains why many parents quickly lose influence with their children as they become teenagers. They relied on "Do as I say, not as I do" a bit too often.

      I'd suggest that a big reason incongruous people lose influence is because, when we detect the incongruity, it allows our mind to doubt the message (and the messenger). We can no longer be certain about either.

      I'll admit, I don't always match up to my own standards.

      I'm trying, however. (And you can read that how you like )
      Imagine the widespread inconguity felt when such a respected warrior posts a plug for their brand new front end funnel bait (admittedly a great report that everyone should read!) right here on such a thread...



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  • Profile picture of the author Dana_W
    Kevin Riley, you lost all credibility with me when your hamster proteges were linking to sites like "How I Earn A Million Pounds Of Hamster Kibble A Month" in their sig lines, and then coming on here with pathetic posts like, "Can anyone tell me how to earn just one cup of hamster kibble? Internet marketing is HARD!"
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  • Profile picture of the author derrickp
    John,

    Really great advice here. Consistency is really important you notice this in many non IM brands. People love they can go to this business or that business and expect a consistent product or service.

    Imagine if you went to a restaurant and ordered a hamburger once a month for a year and every month it tasted completely different. Some months good some months bad, doesn't spell well for repeat business over the long term.

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