When is a good time to invest on aweber or similar service? Advice needed.

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Hi again folks,

One of my older blogs (you can see the photography link below) has around 1200 subscribers or so according to Feedburner.

I'm not sure if I should invest on aweber or similar services since:

1) I don't have a product to sell
2) I don't promote any affiliate products yet other than in-post contextual amazon links in product review posts.
3) That site isn't making much from Adsense as it wasn't optimized for monetization from the start, we're talking about $40/mo range only.

Should I wait until I actually have a product to pitch (or a consistently updated newsletter) before investing in such a service?

I feel like I'm not taking advantage of having a loyal group of followers' email even if I have no intention to spam or sell them anything yet.

Should one subscribe to those services only when you've reached a certain amount of followers?

Also, can you guys help me understand why most blogs I see have email subscription via aweber AND have feedburner email rss update subscription as well? Isn't that counter-productive?

Thanks!
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  • Profile picture of the author Mcoroklo
    It depends your goals. I invested in Aweber from days one, and didn't make any profit from it the first 6 months. Afterwards it has turned into great profit. I would get Aweber/MailChimp as soon as possible, as it is a great product ..

    I would add it AS SOON AS POSSIBLE and start building a great list.

    Also, about monetizing:
    - Your own products is the best way. You know your niche, you should have an idea about what they want
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  • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
    Despite popular belief, you don't actually have to use that aweber mailing list to market directly to people (i.e. sending emails, with affiliate links, strait to their inbox). Instead, you can simply use it establish and maintain relationships by providing great, free, information....then directing them back to your blog, as a main hub, or individual posts.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jonny Mulroy
    Hey David,

    Having an autoresponder is an essential part of your online business.

    Even if you do not have any product to promote.

    What you can do is build trust and a relationship with your list by offering good free content and helpful tips and advice, then when it comes to you actually having some product to promote, your list will certainly jump on it.

    Hope this helps,
    Jonny
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    • Profile picture of the author Beverley Watts
      I think an autoresponder is absolutely essential if you are a serious online marketer. If you want to make sure that you keep track of your subscribers and give them best possible value - the relationship that you have with your list is the most valuable thing that you have
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  • Profile picture of the author Yogini
    Hi David,

    I agree with what others say that you can initially work on building a relationship with your readers through an email list. Also getresponse is a free option if you don't want to get aweber. Icontact, now also has a free version. You can speak about your interest in photography and background within the newsletter and then in time as you focus on products introduce those.

    I believe that the rss feed alerts people to a new post but it doesn't have the same function as an email newsletter itself.

    Debbie
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    • Profile picture of the author davidtong
      Thank you everyone, (i 'thanks' all of you as well equally hehe) for your response.

      May I know what you guys do with a newsletter that isn't available on the website? Like can I use an auto-responder (that's what it's officially called, am I correct) to create a series of free photography lesson and split them in bite-size pieces that wouldn't be available in my blog?

      If so, what if I decide to sign up now, will my "existing" subscribers be able to get on the same list and receive the 'free course via email' and not just new subscribers?

      My goals on that specific blog isn't to make money, it never was, but it'd be nice to make a couple of bucks while providing great content anyway.

      I'm actually trying to create a series of ebooks with a couple of respected individuals in my niche, but I wasn't sure if I should invest in an email-marketing system or not at this point since I haven't even started with that ebook project.

      Thanks for the leads, I didn't even know there are free or lower-cost providers out there...

      Please feel free to give me more tips on execution if you have the chance, I'd truly appreciate it. Thanks!
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      • Profile picture of the author Shaun OReilly
        I recommend that you use an autoresponder service from
        the get-go so that you can build your list and database
        the right way.

        As you've already stated that you're not interested in sending
        your subscribers affiliate links etc., then you may want to
        consider MailChimp - who do offer their autoresponder service
        to people like photographers:

        Webinar Recordings | MailChimp (no affil.)

        What's more, their service is entirely free for your first 2,000
        subscribers and they've got neat video tutorials and social
        media features:

        Email Marketing and Email List Manager | MailChimp (no affil.)

        Note that the Terms of Servie for MailChimp state that they
        don't allow affiliate links so you may want to consider AWeber
        if you think you'll be doing affiliate marketing in future.

        I hope this is useful for you.

        Dedicated to mutual success,

        Shaun
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      • Profile picture of the author RandySeet
        Originally Posted by davidtong View Post

        May I know what you guys do with a newsletter that isn't available on the website? Like can I use an auto-responder (that's what it's officially called, am I correct) to create a series of free photography lesson and split them in bite-size pieces that wouldn't be available in my blog?
        Of Course, you may want to create a series of short content on a specific issue (Eg: where are the best places to bring her during 1st date) in you niche (Pick up women) and then post one of the series on your blog and lead readers to your opt-in page at the end of the post. In this auto-responder list create a series of email about places for dating.

        Originally Posted by davidtong View Post

        If so, what if I decide to sign up now, will my "existing" subscribers be able to get on the same list and receive the 'free course via email' and not just new subscribers?
        Yes.

        Originally Posted by davidtong View Post

        I'm actually trying to create a series of ebooks with a couple of respected individuals in my niche, but I wasn't sure if I should invest in an email-marketing system or not at this point since I haven't even started with that ebook project.
        I believed you are able to come out with at least a few articles very easily as you have already been writing content on your blog. It is good to have a relationship with your subscribers soon.

        If you want to narrow down the interests on individual subscriber then create more blog posts on different problems (eg: what seduction signals should you look out for) and follow by a new opt-in email sequences in this specific issue mentioned on your blog post.


        Yours Sincerely
        Randy Seet
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  • Profile picture of the author davidtong
    Wow, thanks for that lead. When they say 'no affiliate links' do you think I can move to a service that allows affiliate links without losing my mailing list in the future?

    If I'm being honest to myself, I don't see my ebook being ready (optimistic) until December of this year, if my co-writers are cooperative hehe. Even then, I don't think I have the technical know-how to deliver this ebook 24/7 online without a service like ejunkie/clickbank.

    I guess it'll be great to sign up to the free service first (I have less than 2K subscribers right now anyway) then migrate to a paid service when the time comes.

    Oh, last (hopefully, don't quote me on this ) question... Can I manually transfer the collected email addresses on Feedburner to these mail responding services?

    Thanks so much.
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    • Profile picture of the author LilBlackDress
      Originally Posted by davidtong View Post

      Wow, thanks for that lead. When they say 'no affiliate links' do you think I can move to a service that allows affiliate links without losing my mailing list in the future?

      If I'm being honest to myself, I don't see my ebook being ready (optimistic) until December of this year, if my co-writers are cooperative hehe. Even then, I don't think I have the technical know-how to deliver this ebook 24/7 online without a service like ejunkie/clickbank.

      I guess it'll be great to sign up to the free service first (I have less than 2K subscribers right now anyway) then migrate to a paid service when the time comes.

      Oh, last (hopefully, don't quote me on this ) question... Can I manually transfer the collected email addresses on Feedburner to these mail responding services?

      Thanks so much.
      I moved lists from one auto responder to another and it is a pain. Most likely you will lose subscribers as many auto responders require they opt in again. It is just not worth it.

      Start with a quality, paid auto responder and you will save yourself a lot of time and stress down the road.
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  • Profile picture of the author xxxJamesxxx
    The sooner the better when it comes to building a list. This way when it comes to you building a product, you'll have a list of prospect to sell to straight away.

    Oh one more thing. Don't forget to build a relationship with them, this way your list will like you and trust you and as a result... Make more sales when it comes to launching your products

    Hope this helps

    James
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  • Profile picture of the author davidtong
    Noted James, already creating a list now... Thanks for the advice
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  • Profile picture of the author Jordan Stark
    Plain and simple, get a good autoresponder like Aweber from the start. You'll be glad that you did and it saves you time later on.
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  • Profile picture of the author davidtong
    Hi Randy, my current site - David's Simple Photography (no opt-in or anything, obviously, i'm still asking right now haha) and I have quite a bit of content there already, so I do have a pretty decent 'relationship' so to speak but my site is still hasn't reached that 'critical mass' level yet.

    As you can see, it's a free photography tips site. I'm planning to launch a series of ebooks for specific genres, targeting and featuring mainly Asian talents, but I'll also try to promote some quality affiliate products from time-to-time.

    Looks like it's either Mailchimp or Aweber for me right now, I'll research more on those two and see whether or not my site's current adsense income can support the monthly fees.

    Thanks again... I'd love to hear additional insights if you guys have any.
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  • Profile picture of the author rprieto60
    I constantly hear people drumming the old adage that "the money is in the list." IMHO, this is incorrect. The money is not in the list, it's in the RELATIONSHIP you have with those on your list.

    You do, however NEED to have a list if you plan on ever expending your business. If you have no plans on ever growing then you don't need an autoresponder. If you want to grow, then an autoresponder is a critical as a set of wrenches is to a mechanic. You can't do your job without proper tools.

    I also don't recommend trying to go on the cheap when it comes to your autoresponder. There are solutions cheaper than Aweber, but when it comes to delivering your messages and helping you out if there is ever a technical issue, you won't find a more dependable service. Trust me, I know first hand. I've tried out several autoresponder services and even had a script on my own server. For the money, Aweber can't be beat.
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  • Profile picture of the author bbbuffalo
    You might also want to look at MadMimi as an inexpensive alternative. But Aweber is much more powerful.
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    • Profile picture of the author gab314
      Check out other threads on this forum regarding Mail Chimp. I am not personally experienced with them but have heard they are very strict regarding affiliate links. Hopefully, someone with direct experience or more knowledge will comment on this.
      (edit: I see that was mentioned in earlier post)

      I've always loved TrafficWave. Easy to use, unlimited lists, less than $20 per month and they offer free 30 day trial (no cc req.) Brian Rooney is the owner and he's posted on this forum before (if you want to do a search.)

      I agree with the others. Get an autoresponder, get your people on it.
      I love the idea of a photography lessons via autoresponder.

      Good luck. : )
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      • Profile picture of the author davidtong
        Originally Posted by bbbuffalo View Post

        You might also want to look at MadMimi as an inexpensive alternative. But Aweber is much more powerful.
        Thanks a lot bbbuffalo

        Originally Posted by Andyhenry View Post

        Hey David,

        I'm going to go against the mould here and say.............

        Don't bother with an AR right now.

        It is NOT essential to your business.

        As someone already said - what IS important is your relationship with your people and right now you already have a way to deliver them the only thing you are planning to offer them.

        They chose that method and have subscribed so that they can see what you post.

        So - right now you're giving them exactly what they want and exactly what you have.

        You don't actually have a problem to fix and you're looking at it like because everyone else is telling you that you DO have a problem that you're determined to find it.

        For some people setting up an AR would be the right move, but since you're not planning on selling them anything and you can already get your content to them - You are not in need of an AR - unless you change your business model.

        There are many ways to communicate with people and you don't need an autoresponder to do it.

        Don't try to shoe-horn a solution onto a problem you don't have.

        Instead focus on areas where you do have clear actions that will move your business forward in the way you already want and do those.

        Andy
        I do agree that for my site's current state, it's not critical as I don't even have enough time to create a steady stream of articles for my blog right now.

        However, you are correct about the business model part. I am trying to move my site slowly to selling information products related to photography, mainly ebooks (both self-created and affiliate).

        Long-term, I'm also planning on creating a piggy-back site selling instruction manuals so I started thinking about AR mailing list creation, but I wasn't sure when to start creating a mailing list and start creating newsletter content as well.

        I do see your point and it made my sit down and ponder what my business plan is again for my blog at this point...

        Originally Posted by gab314 View Post

        Check out other threads on this forum regarding Mail Chimp. I am not personally experienced with them but have heard they are very strict regarding affiliate links. Hopefully, someone with direct experience or more knowledge will comment on this.
        (edit: I see that was mentioned in earlier post)

        I've always loved TrafficWave. Easy to use, unlimited lists, less than $20 per month and they offer free 30 day trial (no cc req.) Brian Rooney is the owner and he's posted on this forum before (if you want to do a search.)

        I agree with the others. Get an autoresponder, get your people on it.
        I love the idea of a photography lessons via autoresponder.

        Good luck. : )
        Ah, I haven't read about restrictions about affiliate links with MC. Thanks for throwing in TrafficWave as well.

        Dave
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  • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
    Hey David,

    I'm going to go against the mould here and say.............

    Don't bother with an AR right now.

    It is NOT essential to your business.

    As someone already said - what IS important is your relationship with your people and right now you already have a way to deliver them the only thing you are planning to offer them.

    They chose that method and have subscribed so that they can see what you post.

    So - right now you're giving them exactly what they want and exactly what you have.

    You don't actually have a problem to fix and you're looking at it like because everyone else is telling you that you DO have a problem that you're determined to find it.

    For some people setting up an AR would be the right move, but since you're not planning on selling them anything and you can already get your content to them - You are not in need of an AR - unless you change your business model.

    There are many ways to communicate with people and you don't need an autoresponder to do it.

    Don't try to shoe-horn a solution onto a problem you don't have.

    Instead focus on areas where you do have clear actions that will move your business forward in the way you already want and do those.

    Andy
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  • Profile picture of the author Viramara
    ImnicaMail has a free account for up to 1000 subscribers. even if you switch to paid account it's $3/1000 subs and $7/2500 subs.

    Just write a new posting in your blog where you announce you now have a mailing list with free offer where your RSS followers can sign in. I've been in photography niche too, there are some lucrative affiliate products in it.
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  • Profile picture of the author davidtong
    Update and help needed.

    I've decided to give Imnica Mail a try since it's free to test.

    Their help/knowledgebase is pretty horrendous, there's nothing useful there. While I'm confident that their service is good (as I've read here on WF and other sites), having poor support pages worry me.

    Anyway, the reason why I ask is, how do you import a CSV list of emails I exported from my Feedburner into Imnica Mail?

    Thanks.
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  • Profile picture of the author DeborahDera
    The fact that you have a certain number of RSS followers does not mean that number will translate back to email followers if you put an opt-in form on your site.

    You generally need to have something to entice readers to join your opt-in list (like a free eReport giveaway), and you really should follow-up with some sort of content on at least a weekly or bi-weekly basis. If you don't, they won't get used to seeing your name in their inbox and they won't open your emails when you do decide to start.

    If you don't intend on following-up with it, don't waste your time.

    Originally Posted by davidtong View Post

    Hi again folks,

    One of my older blogs (you can see the photography link below) has around 1200 subscribers or so according to Feedburner.

    I'm not sure if I should invest on aweber or similar services since:

    1) I don't have a product to sell
    2) I don't promote any affiliate products yet other than in-post contextual amazon links in product review posts.
    3) That site isn't making much from Adsense as it wasn't optimized for monetization from the start, we're talking about $40/mo range only.

    Should I wait until I actually have a product to pitch (or a consistently updated newsletter) before investing in such a service?

    I feel like I'm not taking advantage of having a loyal group of followers' email even if I have no intention to spam or sell them anything yet.

    Should one subscribe to those services only when you've reached a certain amount of followers?

    Also, can you guys help me understand why most blogs I see have email subscription via aweber AND have feedburner email rss update subscription as well? Isn't that counter-productive?

    Thanks!
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  • Profile picture of the author icemusike
    i believe the best time to get an awebber account ius when you ahve some traffic to your sites so you can get a list togheter and then promote them something
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  • Profile picture of the author inhwanie
    Normally I would recommend using an autoresponder but in this case I'm not really convinced its needed. You make it clear that you're not trying to monetize out of your followers and it looks like the content you are blogging about is for very specific group of people in which case its likely that they are regular visitors coming and going for updates without a need of email notification. Whether you look at it from establishing a relationship point of view or profiting point of view, an auto-responder won't hurt but also won't add much more benefit at this time in my opinion.

    People I have suggested some free options for you to test it out so I guess I would try it out and see as it can't hurt and possibly help out in the future if you do decide to profit from your followers
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    • Profile picture of the author davidtong
      Originally Posted by inhwanie View Post

      Normally I would recommend using an autoresponder but in this case I'm not really convinced its needed. You make it clear that you're not trying to monetize out of your followers and it looks like the content you are blogging about is for very specific group of people in which case its likely that they are regular visitors coming and going for updates without a need of email notification. Whether you look at it from establishing a relationship point of view or profiting point of view, an auto-responder won't hurt but also won't add much more benefit at this time in my opinion.

      People I have suggested some free options for you to test it out so I guess I would try it out and see as it can't hurt and possibly help out in the future if you do decide to profit from your followers
      Good insight, thanks. I am planning to monetize by offering really high-quality and targeted products. I wouldn't be spamming them with tens of products though.

      I guess I still have to check if it's worth the investment (the auto-responders)
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  • Profile picture of the author davidtong
    Hi Deborah,

    Actually I do have new content every week and as I've mentioned, I'm not promoting anything paid until much later when my ebook offer comes out, but I won't have a problem providing free content on top of my site content.

    What I was asking was, whether it's wise to start a list early before a product is available or do I only offer an opt-in when I finally have a product ready.

    @icemusike: I average about 70-80,000 page views a month on my site, I have some traffic and a loyal bunch of followers for about 2 years now.

    Thanks both for replying nonetheless.
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