Is Self Development the WORST Niche?

by Vector
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I know Self Development (SD) is not a niche or even a market segment is more like an complete industry, but I'm posting this with a legitimate question. Why some of the best all time offline books and programs (think Anthony Robbins) best sellers are in SD but every time I do some research into the various segments and niches within the industry online I don't see any good number places (forums, blogs etc.) that show me a lot of buying activity. What I have seen in Niche analyzing tools confirm this. Even the blogs are always the usual suspects (1-4 huge blogs) and maybe 1-2 forums. So here is the question:
Are people using the internet to congregate and or buy Self Development products and if so, where?

Thanks,

Jay
#development #niche #worst
  • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
    Jay, it's not quite that direct.

    If people are looking for information on some aspect of personal development, they're not going to go to a search engine and type in "personal development."

    Mostly, they're trying to be better at something.

    Maybe it's their job, especially fields like sales. Maybe it's their personal life, like increasing their confidence with the opposite sex.

    Find the places people go to get better at things, and you'll find your prospects for self-development products.
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    • Profile picture of the author travlinguy
      Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

      Jay, it's not quite that direct.

      If people are looking for information on some aspect of personal development, they're not going to go to a search engine and type in "personal development."

      Mostly, they're trying to be better at something.

      Maybe it's their job, especially fields like sales. Maybe it's their personal life, like increasing their confidence with the opposite sex.

      Find the places people go to get better at things, and you'll find your prospects for self-development products.
      Exactly. There was a guy coming to the copywriter's board a couple of years back looking for critiques on his sales page. The product was a course on improving self esteem. His sales material was decent and he was getting very few conversions.

      There are relatively few searches on self esteem or improving self esteem. That's because most people refuse to think they have issues with it. They feel it's some sort of character flaw.

      But self esteem, self love (same animal) problems are the root of all personal problems. I tried to point out to this guy that he needed a more subtle approach and start drawing attention to the specific problems people have and then use self esteem improvement techniques to work on those problems. But he wouldn't listen and insisted on waving the self esteem banner as the cure all, which it is but cannot be touted as such.

      Eventually he gave up trying to sell his course. Not sure he ever figured out why the direct approach he was trying to use wasn't working.

      The whole self help industry is that way as John has pointed out. Find a common problem people are looking to solve and address that specifically. That's the key to this market, specialization.
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  • Profile picture of the author Viramara
    self development is vast niche. there are : law of attraction, limiting belief, self confidence, getting wealth, finding happiness, overcoming fear, time management, goal management, bad habit busting, success habit, brain entrainment, interpersonal, intrapersonal, etc.

    people usually type specific phrases for this. i.e. "how to overcome bad habit fast", or "effective time management". they don't type in google "self improvement".

    I've seen many SI products grow successfully in internet, Bob Proctor's "11 Forgotten Law" is example.
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  • Profile picture of the author sydneyaus
    Self development in itself is not a niche as you said, but people are doing massive searches daily for things like how to boost confidence or how to increase self esteem. I believe Clickbank has a lot of self help books or Kindle books on Amazon.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alex Barboza
    I have a small self development niche blog and have had hard time looking for a forum to participate in. I have promoted a couple of products and the only one making me sales is a productivity/time management product.

    There are a lot of blogs in this niche in case you want to try guest blogging. You can find some here:

    Submit Self-Help/Self Improvement Content « Ready Aim CONTENT Reports

    I am thinking of flipping my site, btw.
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  • Profile picture of the author kakaboo
    It's not the worst niche but it's probably one of the niches that is harder to sell things to them, for most people interested in self-help know that they can get a lot of stuff for free on the net. There are tons of free self-help books that are legally circulated around the net (Think & Grow Rich, Master Key System, Science of Getting Rich, etc).. why would they want to pay for other stuff when they can't even finish or complete reading the free stuff!
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  • Profile picture of the author Vector
    Thanks to all that responded, I have plenty to digest here.
    @John McCabe and Travlinguy; If understand this correctly, Self Development is so vast, encompassing many areas/needs/wants and some of them too personally telling that an indirect approach is often the correct one?

    Jay
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    • Profile picture of the author travlinguy
      Originally Posted by Vector View Post

      Thanks to all that responded, I have plenty to digest here.
      @John McCabe and Travlinguy; If understand this correctly, Self Development is so vast, encompassing many areas/needs/wants and some of them too personally telling that an indirect approach is often the correct one?

      Jay
      In a nutshell, pick a niche within the Self Help market and develop your presense in that niche. For example, "overcoming shyness" is a profitable niche. There are people making nice money helping others to be more outgoing. There are literally hundreds of sub markets that fall under the classification self development. The key is specialization. Good luck.
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      • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
        Originally Posted by travlinguy View Post

        In a nutshell, pick a niche within the Self Help market and develop your presense in that niche. For example, "overcoming shyness" is a profitable niche. There are people making nice money helping others to be more outgoing. There are literally hundreds of sub markets that fall under the classification self development. The key is specialization. Good luck.
        ^^^^ What he said...
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      • Profile picture of the author inhwanie
        Originally Posted by travlinguy View Post

        In a nutshell, pick a niche within the Self Help market and develop your presense in that niche. For example, "overcoming shyness" is a profitable niche. There are people making nice money helping others to be more outgoing. There are literally hundreds of sub markets that fall under the classification self development. The key is specialization. Good luck.
        Its also important to note that some SD topics will be inherently more favorable to sell online. "shyness" that travlinguy mentions is actually a perfect example because logically if you think, people who are shy will be less inclined to go out and buy a book from a store on SD. They would much rather prefer to take care of it in their private rooms on the computer if possible.

        So as an internet marketer, you would want to keep the target's behavior in mind that are associated with their problem as well.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ansar Pasha
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    I agree with travlinguy (yet again, I'm not stalking you I swear )... but his post is on the money again.

    It will come down to researching subniches of "self help"... keep in mind, this is a very profitable industry. I read stats somewhere that many people will keep buying these kinds of products because they rarely take action (similar to IM and weight loss).

    I'm paraphrasing, but John Carlton also mentioned this - they'd rather wallow in their misery than face the pain of change.

    Ansar
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  • Profile picture of the author Vector
    How do you know where are they spending the money, on what kind of products and how much? I took a look in Market Samurai and the Google tool (a few months back) and the results were disappointing. Am I missing something or not looking in the right places? BTW, thanks to all who are actively posting. This post can be very helpful to many!

    Jay
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  • Profile picture of the author John Taylor
    Jay,

    I've made significantly more money in the "Self
    Development" niche than I have in the Internet
    Marketing niche.

    As has been posted above, it's about drilling down
    into specialist areas and targeting specific groups
    of people who have a common interest.

    One of the problems many people fail to recognise
    is that selling Personal Development products can
    be complex.

    The people with most money to spend are large
    corporations with big training and development
    budgets. The guy who needs the training isn't
    usually the guy with authorisation to make the
    purchase.

    Think business-to-business selling rather than
    business-to-consumer selling. For example:
    HRDQ | Training tools, management development, team-building, games and more.

    John
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    • Profile picture of the author TroelsJepsen
      I'm not in the SD niche/industry, but I have a hard time imagining, that it can't be a very profitable market.

      I think John McCabe hit the nail by pointing out, that people probably arent searching for self development as a generic term, but they are interested in self development for the purpose of improving something very specific in their life.

      As an example, I think you can find many people interested in self development who have become interested in it because they are interested in starting a business. I think the same is the case for some people wanting to lose weight or improve their dating life. Many of them develop an interest for personal development.
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  • Profile picture of the author Goldenboy
    I wouldn't say that Self-development is a worst niche, since what fellow warriors have stated, it's because self-development is a general term that people will not use the keyword "self-development" to search for appropriate articles. Most people are really interested in developing their self but they usually use keywords like " self-actualization, getting richer, setting their goal, time management, finding happiness and inner peace. Self-development is a broad idea and will require people to use the specific terms and concepts for self-development.
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    • Profile picture of the author harrel
      NO! NO! NO!

      You are getting it right. I sell product in this niche and they work better if you narrow it down. It is I believe one of the best niches after dating and money.

      If you're targeting self development and personal development, you will hardly make any money. You need to target it down. Tony Robbins targeted his niche as motivational products in the beginning of his carriers.

      For instance, I'll post some of the narrowed down niches:

      abundance
      achievement
      brainwave and music therapies
      assertive trainings and tools
      motivational products and services
      brain enhancement
      physiological growth
      emotional intelligence
      attitude
      executive coaching
      life transition
      peak performance
      personal development
      NLP
      success skills
      time mastery skills


      I hope this helps.

      When I sold a product as personal growth, I hardly made any sales. But as I narrowed it down to emotional intelligence, it was easy to advertise and target it and though I made more sales.
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  • Profile picture of the author Vector
    Ok Guys I think it finally sunk in my thick skull! When narrowing my niche and specializing then listen and learn the words that people in that niche use or refer to often in blogs, forum etc. instead of doing research on the broad terms such as success, wining or self development. Correct?
    Thanks for all the contributions so far!!!!

    Jay
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Originally Posted by Vector View Post

      Ok Guys I think it finally sunk in my thick skull! When narrowing my niche and specializing then listen and learn the words that people in that niche use or refer to often in blogs, forum etc. instead of doing research on the broad terms such as success, wining or self development. Correct?
      Thanks for all the contributions so far!!!!

      Jay
      DING! DING! DING!

      We have a winner!
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      • Profile picture of the author SarahMcHarry
        Instead of trying to work out how to conquer this niche, you could simply go with the flow. There is a constant stream of new products coming out which aim to help people achieve their goals, attract a mate, manifest money etc.

        Target the products that someone else is paying to promote. Write a webpage 'reviewing' the product and then get 50-100 backlinks with the product name as the anchor text. Do it again and again.

        Sarah
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  • Profile picture of the author Fazal Mayar
    I agree it doesnt look like a niche that you can bank on the money but it is a massive niche with a lot of depth potential because people are often need in help and will search the internet for help.
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  • Profile picture of the author marvelouz
    if you think it is the worst than someone else will bank from you not being on the playing field
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    • Profile picture of the author sethczerepak
      Okay, this is my primary niche, so I think I've got something you can use.

      There are three reasons marketers fail in this niche:

      1) They're just in it for the money and have no real value to offer (least common reason)
      2) They're too vague in their value proposition (second most common)
      3) They address the cause instead of the symptom in their marketing (most common)

      If #1 is where you are, I can't help you and I don't want to.

      If #2, see the solution for #3 below:

      Number three took me a LONG time to accept. I have a background as a counselor, so I can get to the root of things fast.

      Problem is, you can't address the root of people's issues with them until you've built some real trust, and that takes time.

      The most important fact about the personal growth niche is this:

      "The problem people come to you to solve is NEVER the real problem. It's a symptom."

      The challenge is, we experts want to cut right to the chase, but this just weirds people out and causes their guard to go up. Then they go crawling back under the rock of denial (which I've spent some time under myself) and you've lost them.

      That's why you have to make the connection and the sale based on the symptom and build a relationship so you can help them confront and solve the real problem.

      For example, if someone comes to you with time management issues, you have to meet them where they are, even though you know it's just a symptom of perfectionism and of measuring their value based on either the approval of others or based on their performance.

      I've coached dozens of people with time management and procrastination issues, and that ^ has been the root cause every single time. But you can't start out there because it's just too much too soon.

      I get emails from people who want me to review their products in this niche all the time. Their value propositions all promise to help someone: raise their self-esteem, overcome personal limitations, love themselves etc.

      Too vague, too personal and too focused on the root cause. You have to meet them where they are and work inward from there. The good thing about this is:

      1) There are hundreds of symptoms, pick a popular one and you've got a niche to start with and a specific problem to address in your marketing
      2) Help them solve a small problem, but keep showing them that there are more layers to work through. This means more products to sell and more customer loyalty
      3) Most of your competitors will stay stuck making one of the three mistakes I mentioned earlier, while you attract all the customers.

      Just do myself, and your customers, and the industry a huge favor before taking this advice...know your stuff. Lots of people in this niche who just don't belong here.

      Much success.
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      • Profile picture of the author TheNightOwl
        Originally Posted by sethczerepak View Post

        You have to meet them where they are
        This is a hard, hard lesson to learn -- most notably, I'd say, for people with expert knowledge and experience in the particular area (that the other person is coming to you for help with).

        Good post.
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