Is it accepted or safe..

13 years ago

You bring a strategy I have never heard of before... I am interested to hear what the everyone else has to say about this.

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missmystery

13 years ago

Torrent sites are seen as "black hat".

But what if it's your own product? It's just making it easier for people to download it.

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crystalDMP 13 years ago

Originally Posted by missmystery

Torrent sites are seen as "black hat".

newbie here... I've seen ppl use the term "black hat", what does it mean exactly?

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- tebor79 13 years ago
  
  uploading your ebook to torrent sites will bring you traffic. they will not convert real well but if one does it was probably worth the 2 minutes it took to create the torrent.
  
  they will not hack your site. the major torrent sites are not warez sites exactly. they are full of folks looking for a freebie.
  
  warez sites are so 1998
  
  add some value in your ebook with some links to your site
  
  a clever title will help with the number of downloads
  
  if in internet marketing niche add imkt to your title, it's an abbreviation used by some p2p folk to let others know the torrent is about internet marketing
  
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Rob Whisonant

13 years ago

Sure. It's actually done all the time. Just a different distribution channel you can exploit.

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wpxo

13 years ago

Since it's your product, I guess you can do whatever you want with the ebook.

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Allan Rich

13 years ago

Yes... The technique does work but the conversions are not that great. I've seen it used in the adult market.

People would create fake files like .wmv videos which would pop-up affiliate websites once they were opened. They would mass distribute the files on p2p file sharing networks.

Some people would even create fake .exe programs which would pop-up affiliate websites and distribute them on software websites. Another thing they would do is use the fake .exe for lead generation. Consumers would have to input their name and email before they could use the fake software, when they signed up you would get paid per lead.... some where more advanced that it would actually take the Name and email the consumer provided and auto fill more lead forms.

Some people also developed fake warez sites which would make users signup to $1 trial offers before they could access the fake files. I'm sure you seen these before.

At the end of the day 90% of this stuff was a waste of time and cost more money then you'd make time wise

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missmystery

13 years ago

Not interested in creating anything fake. Just a good advice e-book and a link to sign up to a related place.

Whats the deal anyway.. I don't even know how to upload e-books to torrent sites

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Allan Rich

13 years ago

The example I was giving had to do with fake files but they all had the same thing in common to what your doing

The traffic doesn't really convert, everyone who is getting a-hold of your product is freeloaders and thiefs. I mean, I guess it sounds like a unique way to get your product out there but at the end of the day you won't make much if any money from it :/

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charlesetna

13 years ago

Torrents might be akin to black hat marketing from their tendency to be oozing with pirated material.

In my opinion, as long as the content of the e-book is your own work and not plagiarized or pitifully re-spun garbage, you have the rights to distribute as you see fit. I can't speculate on what kind of traffic you would get.

Ask yourself this; are the pirates who come across an e-book at a torrent site likely to change their ways and shell out real money for the product you're promoting?

I like your angle though, you can make money wearing a gray hat sometimes.

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SwiftBlog 13 years ago

Accepted by who? The companies that are paying you? Sure.. Some Warrior riding a white horse? Maybe not..
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missmystery 13 years ago

Originally Posted by charlesetna

come across an e-book at a torrent site likely to change their ways and shell out real money for the product you're promoting?

How is that different to freeloaders who get free WSOs or freebies to opt into a list?
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- charlesetna 13 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by missmystery
  
  How is that different to freeloaders who get free WSOs or freebies to opt into a list?
  
  it's not that different, and i'd be interested to read a follow up on that test. seems like the general consensus so far is the traffic quality would be pretty shady.
  
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- Troy_Phillips 13 years ago
  
  The freeloaders at warez sites will hack the hell out of your site you are linking to.
  
  Just because someone signs up for a free WSO doesn't automatically put them on a free loader list. I have been known to get a few and I probably reinvest more in my business than many make.
  
  The person at the hack site will never buy from you .... why pay for milk when they know how to steal the cow?
  
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  Originally Posted by missmystery
  
  How is that different to freeloaders who get free WSOs or freebies to opt into a list?
  
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Rich Struck

13 years ago

We used to do it a few years ago but it never really paid off. I think it is still worth a try, it can't hurt.

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bobbobson

13 years ago

I don't see any reason why it wouldn't work - And certainly you're unlikely to land in any trouble as the person who owns the copyright is you! But you need enough buzz to make people want to download it in the first place.

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totodeal1

13 years ago

We are planning to do it , we are well promise about it .

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mr2monster

13 years ago

I'm assuming you're going to make a different copy and use more aggressive internal advertising, correct?

I wouldn't just pop my current stuff out on the torrents, but I might rework it and include some ads and other stuff then release it and see what happened.

I don't like to stuff a bunch of blatant ads in my buying customers faces (although i do use affiliate links to suppliment income)... but maybe making the first 3 pages offers or full page ads, then adding in some other stuff throughout, but keeping the content the same might pay off...

This is interesting, please share your experience if you do it. I might just try it as well.

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missmystery

13 years ago

The will hack an affiliate site that offers free signups? Why?

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Troy_Phillips 13 years ago

If for no other reason but to hurt your business. Digital vandalism

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The will hack an affiliate site that offers free signups? Why?
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rushe

13 years ago

Torrenting anything is white hat so long as you own the content you're uploading, have the rights to upload it to others and you don't mind other people uploading it to others either.

Torrenting is black hat only when you're uploading (copying and distributing) content when you don't have the rights to do so for whatever particular thing that is.

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Ruzza

13 years ago

Torrent sites are pretty Black Hat because of all the hacked warez they have!

I used to love BlackHat methods as I found the processes very interesting so defiantly dont shy away from trying this just because people get scared when they hear the word blackhat...

Ok but in saying that if I were to find you ebook on a torrent site, download it, read it and find it really interesting and noticed that you had an affiliate link to a product that I really did want all I would do is type it in the torrent site or search for it on google and just download it for free... Why the hell would I buy it if im roaming around on a torrent site finding stuff for free??

Just my thoughts

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missmystery

13 years ago

I'm not offering a product. I'm offering a free sign up.

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Allan Rich

13 years ago

It's different from a free WSO's because your target audience is coming from torrent websites. The only thing they're interested in is stealing content. They already know how to work the system to get products free.

People who signup for WSO freebies are coming from a reputable source without bad intentions.

There is a whole bunch of information about what your trying to do on gfy.com Companies have gone as far as running massive campaigns and listed their results... They weren't that good, like 1:10000 with adult related products, which is the most impulse buy product you can sell. This was years and years ago so I'm sure the results would be even worse now. The campaigns they were running were huge and it's not as easy as you think to get that many downloads, especially once people know your torrent is junk.

It doesn't hurt to try but I'm not sure you'll get the results your looking for

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MoneyMonkey

13 years ago

As someone metnioned you'd have to actively promote your book to encourage anyone to download it. You'd probably see higher conversions giving it away on forums, sig linking it etc than simply just putting it on file share. You can also use pay per download sites to bolster the income slightly - though very minimally

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Paul Gordelo

13 years ago

I tried this strategy and I would say that It doesn't work very well. reason being torrent sites administrator block your torrent and remove your account as it is against their site policy. I tried two times on piratebay and my account was disabled by administrator.

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StevenJones

13 years ago

Depends on what you eBook is about? Will it suit the needs of the torrent users? Do the products you promote suit their needs? As stated in this thread before..you will get a lot on untargetted traffic which you don't want to invest time in..trust me.

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Apollo-Articles

13 years ago

Yes this is fine, you can also upload onto document sharing sites such as scribd ect which can also build backlinks to you.

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missmystery

13 years ago

Thanks.. I will stick to document sharing sites

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Alexa Smith

Banned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by missmystery

is it accepted or save to create your own unique e-book with affiliate links in it and upload it to e-book torrent sites?

Yes, this is often done.

My understanding is that the main reason people do it is not in an attempt to attract "buying traffic" (of course) but to "disincentivise" others from doing it.

Many vendors, when they have a new e-book out, will themselves upload to the well-known torrent sites a highly abbreviated version of it, packed with other promotions, affiliate links and so on, hoping that nobody will then upload there the "actual product" because there's already something of that name there.

That's how it's been explained to me by some people who do this, anyway.

Personally, I would still have many misgivings about it.

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Gary Ning Lo

13 years ago

I don't personally use this strategy but i for me it would most probably bring some traffic...

I suggest testing, you never know..

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