Great News from Amazon Kindle!!!

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It used to be that there were 450 ebooks in my niche. Now it's just 340. Apparently, a lot of duplicate content PLR garbage have been eliminated literally overnight.

Another good news. Using the "Publication Date" filter, there hasn't been any new releases in almost a week. There used to be 4 or 5 new releases per day, mostly with the same cover images and titles. Different prices and authors.

Amazon is making the move at the right time. Not to late and not too early.

Content rules!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    Yes, it is great news. Glad to see Amazon clean up the PLR/dupe content thing
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  • Profile picture of the author ShayB
    Originally Posted by Calamaroo View Post

    It used to be that there were 450 ebooks in my niche. Now it's just 340. Apparently, a lot of duplicate content PLR garbage have been eliminated literally overnight.

    Another good news. Using the "Publication Date" filter, there hasn't been any new releases in almost a week. There used to be 4 or 5 new releases per day, mostly with the same cover images and titles. Different prices and authors.

    Amazon is making the move at the right time. Not to late and not too early.

    Content rules!!!
    That is GREAT news!
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  • Profile picture of the author domainarama
    Not too late? Nah, I think Amazon has damaged its brand already. Stories about the badness of some of the "books" available on Amazon will be repeated many times in the future. Potential buyers will be told over and over that they are taking a risk when buying Amazon books. If I were the competition I would have a HUGE advertising campaign reminding people how bad many Amazon "books" are. An advertising campaign on this topic could start at any time, tmrw, next week, next year. Amazon shot itself in the foot when it opened the gates to PLR-type publications.
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    • Isn't that a bit of an overreaction? If a buyer gets stuck with a lemon, refunds are easy. It's Amazon. They'll refund for any reason.

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      • Profile picture of the author ShayB
        Originally Posted by fluffythewondercat View Post

        Isn't that a bit of an overreaction? If a buyer gets stuck with a lemon, refunds are easy. It's Amazon. They'll refund for any reason.

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        What about the people who inadvertently buy three copies of the same PLR book and then don't raise a fuss - they just stop shopping from Amazon because they're disappointed in the buying experience?

        Then they tell people about their experience.....which discourages others from buying from Amazon.

        I don't think that "It's okay to allow an inferior, high-refund rate product because the customer can refund" is the right solution.

        That, of course, if JMHO and YMMV.
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        • Originally Posted by ShayRockhold View Post

          I don't think that "It's okay to allow an inferior, high-refund rate product because the customer can refund" is the right solution.

          That, of course, if JMHO and YMMV.
          In the future, kindly refrain from trying to put words in my mouth. It doesn't reflect well on you.

          Saying "Nah, I think Amazon has damaged its brand already" is an overreaction based on a narrow point of view. It's as ludicrous as the thousands of people who over the years predicted eBay would go out of business because those people didn't like eBay's policies.

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          • Profile picture of the author ShayB
            Originally Posted by fluffythewondercat View Post

            In the future, kindly refrain from trying to put words in my mouth. It doesn't reflect well on you.


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            Merely was commenting on what appeared to be the point of view you were sharing.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Hill
      Originally Posted by domainarama View Post

      Not too late? Nah, I think Amazon has damaged its brand already. Stories about the badness of some of the "books" available on Amazon will be repeated many times in the future. Potential buyers will be told over and over that they are taking a risk when buying Amazon books. If I were the competition I would have a HUGE advertising campaign reminding people how bad many Amazon "books" are. An advertising campaign on this topic could start at any time, tmrw, next week, next year. Amazon shot itself in the foot when it opened the gates to PLR-type publications.

      On a side note... your blog is a little messed up in FireFox Browser... FYI
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  • Profile picture of the author domainarama
    Maybe Amazon's refund mechanism is great. But the experience of buying a fake book lingers. In the restaurant business a restaurant that was wonderful for x years in the past can lose a lot of or most of its business after one incident of contaminated food. It doesn't help Amazon that x percent of its merchandise is pure cr@p.

    On this forum I bought two or three WSOs which openly and blatantly advocated publishing PLR cr@p on Amazon. I have tried to get my money back. I'm still waiting. Maybe the forum's refund policy is great, but it doesn't always work smoothly. Take a guess: has my experience caused me to 1) buy more WSOs 2) buy at the same rate as in the past 3) shut off that spigot. Guess.
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    • Profile picture of the author CC
      [On this forum I bought two or three WSOs which openly and blatantly advocated publishing PLR cr@p on Amazon. I have tried to get my money back. I'm still waiting. Maybe the forum's refund policy is great, but it doesn't always work smoothly. Take a guess: has my experience caused me to 1) buy more WSOs 2) buy at the same rate as in the past 3) shut off that spigot. Guess.[/QUOTE]

      I would hope that you shut off that spigot. That's my guess. This is good news indeed about Amazon.

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  • Profile picture of the author Ram
    So let's see ...

    PLR is great if you use it or if you sell it, but ...

    PLR is crap if someone else buys it and actually has the audacity to try and make money with it

    Funny, loads of PLR for sale on WSO forum. And lots of fine testimonials as to the quality. Loads of WSOs about how to use PLR, too. And they all say take action. Well, the people on Amazon have taken action. They're just doing what they have been told to do.
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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by Ram View Post

      So let's see ...

      PLR is great if you use it or if you sell it, but ...

      PLR is crap if someone else buys it and actually has the audacity to try and make money with it

      Funny, loads of PLR for sale on WSO forum. And lots of fine testimonials as to the quality. Loads of WSOs about how to use PLR, too. And they all say take action. Well, the people on Amazon have taken action. They're just doing what they have been told to do.
      If anyone is idiotic enough to believe that submitting plr material to Amazon as an ebook is a good business model whether or not someone told them to in a WSO, that's their problem when Amazon cleans house.

      PLR is not meant to be used as is if you want to achieve results. I buy quality PLR all the time, send it to my writers to rewrite. Saves a huge amount of time if they don't have to do the research and come up with the facts in an article.

      This kind of business model, and I use that term loosely, is just a lazy person's way to try to make some fast money. In the long run it's doomed to fail, as all shortcuts are.

      Are you here to create a business or here to just slap some crap together and put it anywhere that will take it to make a couple of bucks. Short term thinking that you have to repeat over and over again due to the fact that the results are always short term.
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      • Profile picture of the author Ram
        I don't care whether it's a good biz model or not. I don't sell cheap ebooks and I don't sell on Kindle. What I'm talking about is the hypocrisy of some on this forum.

        Look at darn near every PLR salespage and they say "business in a box" with the option "Use it as it" since it is a complete product or "rewrite it and make it your own." They include graphics and salepages, et al.

        What they hell are newbies supposed to think?

        I've been selling offline and on since 1995. Mostly physical products but some digital. No Kindle stuff. I've used PLR before and changed it as needed. But what I have seen on a dozen threads like this are the same people who SELL this stuff or promote it as an affiliate with the promise that it's a "biz in a box" complaining that the people they sell it to are treating it as such.
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        • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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          Originally Posted by Ram View Post

          Look at darn near every PLR salespage and they say "business in a box" with the option "Use it as it" since it is a complete product or "rewrite it and make it your own." They include graphics and salepages, et al.

          What they hell are newbies supposed to think?

          I've been selling offline and on since 1995. Mostly physical products but some digital. No Kindle stuff. I've used PLR before and changed it as needed. But what I have seen on a dozen threads like this are the same people who SELL this stuff with the promise that it's a "biz in a box" complaining that the people they sell it to are treating it as such.
          I buy high quality PLR and the people I buy from don't say Business in a Box. They say it's private label rights giving me the rights to change it and use it as I want to.

          It's common sense when you're talking about submitting Amazon ebooks that you don't use PLR unchanged ... but then, not everyone has common sense and will buy any WSO that offers a fast buck, no matter how ill advised the method is.
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        • Profile picture of the author ShayB
          Originally Posted by Ram View Post

          So let's see ...

          PLR is great if you use it or if you sell it, but ...

          PLR is crap if someone else buys it and actually has the audacity to try and make money with it

          Funny, loads of PLR for sale on WSO forum. And lots of fine testimonials as to the quality. Loads of WSOs about how to use PLR, too. And they all say take action. Well, the people on Amazon have taken action. They're just doing what they have been told to do.
          Originally Posted by Ram View Post

          I don't care whether it's a good biz model or not. I don't sell cheap ebooks and I don't sell on Kindle. What I'm talking about is the hypocrisy of some on this forum.

          Look at darn near every PLR salespage and they say "business in a box" with the option "Use it as it" since it is a complete product or "rewrite it and make it your own." They include graphics and salepages, et al.

          What they hell are newbies supposed to think?

          I've been selling offline and on since 1995. Mostly physical products but some digital. No Kindle stuff. I've used PLR before and changed it as needed. But what I have seen on a dozen threads like this are the same people who SELL this stuff or promote it as an affiliate with the promise that it's a "biz in a box" complaining that the people they sell it to are treating it as such.
          People also promote "Make a bazillion dollars in your sleep" stuff, too. Doesn't make it right.

          And - I'll say it again - there is NOTHING wrong with PLR when it's used right. I love PLR. But if it's used in a way that hurts someone else's business, I consider that a bad thing.

          Antifreeze is a fantastic product. Does the job and helps me save money because it keeps my car from overheating. Drinking it, however, is fatal. Watering my flowers with it is not a good idea.

          Like many other things, PLR can be misused, and this is a crackdown on it by Amazon.
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          • Profile picture of the author WealthWinners
            Originally Posted by ShayRockhold View Post


            Antifreeze is a fantastic product. Does the job and helps me save money because it keeps my car from overheating. Drinking it, however, is fatal. Watering my flowers with it is not a good idea.
            Not trying to create thread drift, but this comment made me giggle because propylene glycol is a major ingredient in a LOT of foods. Read the labels. It is also in a lot of products we put on our skin, so it is absorbed that way as well.

            Look down at the applications. So it is used in our cars and in our food.

            Propylene glycol - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

            But back to the topic at hand...

            I find it fascinating that everyone seems to be pointing fingers at Amazon. Why isn't anyone complaining about what is being sold here in the first place? Doesn't WF have any responsibility for a WSO?

            I mean, I have never done a WSO so I don't know the process, but isn't there some kind of approval where someone actually checks to see if the WSO is valid?

            Or does anyone even care about the quality here?
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            • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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              Originally Posted by WealthWinners View Post

              I find it fascinating that everyone seems to be pointing fingers at Amazon. Why isn't anyone complaining about what is being sold here in the first place? Doesn't WF have any responsibility for a WSO?

              I mean, I have never done a WSO so I don't know the process, but isn't there some kind of approval where someone actually checks to see if the WSO is valid?

              Or does anyone even care about the quality here?
              The WF does not read and implement the products being advertised. They are no more responsible for the products that Wash Post is for the products in it's classified section.

              It's the stupidity of the people buying products ... they want the short cuts, the unbelievable income claims, the claims of money with no work involved. These are the products that most people in the WSO forum seek out.

              You can't blame the Warrior Forum and you can't blame Amazon for spammers and people who try to game the system to get out of doing any real work. Amazon is reacting to people who spam and game every system available, like Craigslist, Twitter, Facebook, Squidoo, HubPages, YouTube ... you name it. Anyplace they can exploit to make a fast buck.

              Then they come in here and whine .... XXXXX banned my account. Wah wah wah. They also don't have a clue as to why all the "work" and "efforts" fail time and time again.

              Here's the clue: You aren't building a business. You're building a fast buck scheme that will have very limited results for a short period of time.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tom Brownsword
    @domainarama: I hear you, but one thing that Amazon has in its favor right now is Borders going out of business (and from reports I've heard, Barnes and Noble is also struggling). I think that they are on the verge of strangling their main competition here in the States, at which point there will probably be some changes to its business model -- part of which will be a de-emphasis on physical books and a stronger push towards Kindle. But I broke my crystal ball the last time I moved, so we'll just have to wait and see!

    But the "push button riches" crowd will ALWAYS lose eventually, leaving the field wide open for those who provide a valuable product or service.

    @Shay: Bet you didn't know I had an account here... During some sales training I took in a previous lifetime, I read that one person has a circle of influence that reaches to 250 people. Treat them well and 250 people will hear about it; do wrong and the same 250 people will hear. And it works both ways; thankfully it isn't a one-way street.

    And I think your insight about people buying the same PLR stuff several times is a valid observation. It makes me cringe when people put making a buck above providing a valuable product to consumers. But when people want to buy a "real" book at the lowest possible price, they head to Amazon -- and will continue to do so for a while. We "independent" writers have a great opportunity to build a good reputation by creating quality stuff for Kindle.

    @Ram: My personal opinion... Yes, there are a lot of people selling "hope" -- but not delivering. Places like the WSO forum are just a "place" -- neither good nor bad -- and like any other "place", the good gets mixed in with the bad and mediocre.

    Hopefully a few people will see your remarks and realize that there's no such thing as a "business in a box" (unless you are selling them to others) -- at least not one that doesn't require you to actually open the thing and work your tail off to get it to work...

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  • Profile picture of the author domainarama
    fluffy, if you want to engage in a debate or a discussion with adults please restrain your tendency to distort what people say and to mischaracterize what they say.

    I wrote "I think Amazon has damaged its brand already" It is clear I am expressing an opinion -- my opinion ("I think..."). People can agree or disagree with the expressed opinion. I did not characterize people who disagree with my opinion in any way, such as the way you characterize me and people who share my opinion as over-reacting and narrow. Such mischaracterizations of people who disagree with you serves no purpose to further discussion and discourse. And may in fact serve to diminish your standing as a serious person. People who disagree with you may in fact do so for worthy reasons, not for childish name-calling reasons. That's a possibility you should consider before you spout off.

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    Saying "Nah, I think Amazon has damaged its brand already" is an overreaction based on a narrow point of view. It's as ludicrous as the thousands of people who over the years predicted eBay would go out of business because those people didn't like eBay's policies.
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  • Profile picture of the author domainarama
    @Tom. Yes, the book business is undergoing radical change these days. Amazon reports that it sells more ebooks than dead tree books. Borders died and many other book companies that rely on dead tree books are in trouble. B&N is in serious trouble and looking for a buyer. But one aspect of B&N which is saving it during its waning days is Nook, which is their equivalent of Kindle. B&N Nook sales are keeping the company afloat in its dying days.

    Maybe no competitors to Kindle are being so aggressive as to exploit Kindle's Achilles heel of PLR books. So far. And maybe no one ever will. But the possibility exists that some day someone might. No doubt about it I would, if I were a competitor. Kindle has to hope and pray I never connect with a competitor and stomp on Kindle's Achilles heel. Let me assure you I would have a fine old time burying Kindle under its slag heap of PLR cr@p.
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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Gram
    This is a long needed clean up and I am glad to see Amazon is taking action to make it better. I know they are far from done, but definitely moving in the right direction.
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  • Profile picture of the author domainarama
    The WF does not read and implement the products being advertised. They are no more responsible for the products that Wash Post is for the products in it's classified section.
    Well, actually, a good case can be made that WF is responsible. For the most part, yes, WF is hands off. It is just a conduit, like a newspaper publishing advertising. But once in a while the owner of the site sends out emails claiming he has read a particular WSO and recommends it. The act of recommending selectively leaves the owner of the site open to the claim that he does in fact imply and make choices, which implies that he knows some of his WSOs are good and some are bad (or not so good). I'm not a lawyer. But I suspect a lawyer would lick his chops and make the site owner pay for his selective choices.
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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by domainarama View Post

      Well, actually, a good case can be made that WF is responsible. For the most part, yes, WF is hands off. It is just a conduit, like a newspaper publishing advertising. But once in a while the owner of the site sends out emails claiming he has read a particular WSO and recommends it. The act of recommending selectively leaves the owner of the site open to the claim that he does in fact imply and make choices, which implies that he knows some of his WSOs are good and some are bad (or not so good). I'm not a lawyer. But I suspect a lawyer would lick his chops and make the site owner pay for his selective choices.
      You must be very special, because I never get emails from Allen for any reason at all. NEVER since 2007.

      You may get emails from WSO Pro which has no affiliation with the Warrior Forum at all.
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  • Profile picture of the author domainarama
    You must be very special, because I never get emails from Allen for any reason at all. NEVER since 2007.
    Thank you for recognizing how special I am ;-) I usedta get daily emails touting WSO of the day. Allen would occasionally tout that day's WSO. I don't know if he asked a lawyer to approve that practice. In any case, I HAVE BROKEN MY WSO BUYING HABIT, so I no longer get that daily email.

    Maybe I can create and sell a WSO on how to break the WSO buying habit. That sure would be a winner.
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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by domainarama View Post

      Thank you for recognizing how special I am ;-) I usedta get daily emails touting WSO of the day. Allen would occasionally tout that day's WSO. I don't know if he asked a lawyer to approve that practice. In any case, I HAVE BROKEN MY WSO BUYING HABIT, so I no longer get that daily email.

      Maybe I can create and sell a WSO on how to break the WSO buying habit. That sure would be a winner.
      If in fact you got emails from Allen Says suggesting a product, that would be called affiliate marketing, which happens to a widely used and legal activity.

      However, WSO of the Day is a Warrior Plus deal and not affiliated with the Warrior Forum or Allen Says, the owner.

      WSO of the Day - Only The Best WSOs, Every Day | WarriorPlus
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  • Profile picture of the author Nick Walker
    Should I say about time?
    Books I have published have stopped getting sales for while now...
    All the PLR junks were really getting in my eyes...
    Great news! Now my ebooks will get some sales!
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  • Profile picture of the author Steven Miranda
    Sounds like great news for writers.
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  • Profile picture of the author SUPER Louie
    I heard about this too. I think it was implemented a month ago when I saw someone from the forums complaining. This is really great news... PLRs are crap on Kindle!
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  • Profile picture of the author jaiganeshv
    at last amazon makes this move. now its time for me to put good content which i was holding all these days thinking it will never work out with kindle publishing because of PLR junk out there!!!


    Thank you
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  • Profile picture of the author Martin Avis
    Originally Posted by Ram View Post

    Look at darn near every PLR salespage and they say "business in a box" with the option "Use it as it" since it is a complete product or "rewrite it and make it your own." They include graphics and salepages, et al.
    That is a dangerous and somewhat objectionable generalization. Maybe there are some PLR vendors saying that, but those who those who aim to provide quality materials to serious Internet marketers are not that shallow.

    My own PLR site (articles, not ebooks) has been running for a year now and we have never suggested that PLR is a business in a box. In fact, we not only tell our customers that all our articles should be rewritten before use, but we even supply software to help them do that as efficiently as possible.

    The crackdown by Amazon on Kindle ebook submissions is to be welcomed. As is the previous crackdown by Google on duplicated content. Both will have the effect of helping to weed out the lazy, push-button marketers and reset the Internet marketing mindset away from the quick and easy strategies (that have always needed to be constantly reinvented) and towards the far more effective and long term solutions that involve thinking, work and, dare I say it, a sound business plan.

    I have never submitted any book to Kindle, let alone a PLR one, but if I did it would not be thrown out because it would have no relation to any other ebook that was already there - even if it were to be based on private label source material. It isn't the PLR that is the problem, it is the unthinking use of it.

    Long before Kindle existed I wrote a book (back in 2004 I think) on how to profit from PLR ebooks because at the time I was one of the few who were doing that effectively. Three quarters of that book was about how to change the PLR base content into something uniquely your own. That was the 'secret' back then and it seems it is still a secret to this day.

    Private label is not the enemy ... mindless, lazy use of it is.

    Top class PLR in the hands of someone who knows what they are doing was, and still is, pure gold.

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  • Profile picture of the author ebooks4u
    Amazon's Kindle Publishing Store has announced that they will delete all PLR Kindle books from their site. Here's an extract from the email that I got recently:

    "Undifferentiated public domain titles will no longer be offered for sale in the Kindle Store. Examples not considered differentiated include a linked table of contents, formatting improvements, collections, sales rank, price, freely available Internet content, etc. Thanks for your understanding and cooperation. Regards, Kindle Direct Publishing"

    So, it's in your own interest -and Amazon's- too only submit original works, or your account may be deleted sooner or later.
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  • Profile picture of the author WinXPrize
    Thats great for amazon
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  • Profile picture of the author Rough Outline
    Anything that improves the overall quality of kindle books is good, you can't justify the saturation of PLR kindle books either.
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  • Profile picture of the author Reed7
    That's great feedback you've given-thanks . Whether people agree or not, that's a major positive step for Kindle, and should raise the quality standard for the products they sell, and confidence of affiliates, and customers alike, plus reduce the level of refund rates.
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  • Profile picture of the author Link
    There's nothing wrong with PLR content. It's useful for so many things! Giving out freebies to get people to sign up for a list, freebies for after they've signed up, using for ideas for your own products, ideas for articles, information for your website, the list goes on and on.

    PLR content is not good, however, for putting up on your website or publishing directly as is. The lazy way is seldom the best route to success... just use your PLR content wisely!
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  • Profile picture of the author colinph970
    I think the key to success in selling decent amounts of e-books on the kindle or any other e-platform is to make sure you sell original work that offers excellent value for money. i'm looking for writers who have original e-books they wish to sell (including all rights) and offer an auction platform for doing so. Details in sig.
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  • Profile picture of the author WebPen
    I definitely applaud Amazon for doing it.

    As far as the guys who "took action" by posting up PLR ebooks for sale on the Kindle- as many other warriors said, that isn't exactly building a solid business.

    It's basically half-assing it hoping that it makes you a few bucks. Instead why don't you just re-write the content to make it original, or pay a ghostwriter a few bucks to do it for you?
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