How to Kill Social Networking

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Over the past couple days I have seen various people discuss various challenges they face in using Social Networking in their marketing efforts.

For example John Reese Posted this to twitter yesterday:

I'm very close to killing my Facebook account. The 'potential' of it as a marketing tool hasn't quite materialized. More untargeted daily.
While I am sure that there are many having success with social networking and there are some really good examples of viral social networking that helped build stars like Dane Cook and his use of Myspace...

I am wondering if a more effective form of social networking is where it is actually truly social.

For example... we know the social power of this forum and what an impact it can have on forging business relationships, partnerships, and for many new client relationships.

Blogs likewise can do that with comments and publishers chatting in comments with their subscribers. Or even with live video streaming networks like Chris Pirillo, Gary Vaynerchuck, and Leo Laporte do when they ask their audience to give them feedback or have conversations with them live on the stream in the chats...

However, there is a form of social network marketing that is is acting like rust and cankoring the social systems to the point that many of the networks have had to enact policies or start enforcing policies or create new strategies to combat the problem in order to improve the legit client's experience.

Though I think that this form of social network marketing may provide limited benefits in the short term I think it may be less effective than true social networking where the social aspect plays the central role.

For example... lets say you sign up on twitter, then you use some auto friend adder or spider to crawl around and mechanically add friends or you just go and add every person who is somone elses friend. You set up your twitter auto responder to trigger twitter to send a promo email to every person who starts following you. Then you set up your twitter auto poster to post links to your latest blog entry etc.

Then your twitter home page is mucked up with piles of nonsense posts from all the followers whom you are "following back" who for all you know could be complete blithering idiots.

Where is the social aspect?

Where is your personality?

If you are not chatting with your buddies on your myspace page or blogging to myspace where is the social aspect?

There are other benefits of course to these social listings like links back seo and syndication of viral media etc...

However, the rampant "anti social" marketing automation and automated fake social publishing seems to be taking its toll on many social publishers who now find that their own "friends" lists are filled with random wierdos and marketers they do not know or care to hear about filling their inbox with stuff they are not interested in.

This is not good for the social networking sites in general. In fact I bet the people that get the most enjoyment and satisfaction out of the social networking sites are those who have natural social relationships or at least some real interaction with their friends, fan base, or client base.

So I am wondering... if you were to act more naturally when doing your social marketing... adding your friends naturally or even having an assistant with a discriminating eye do it, following only those you are truly interested in, and participating in the social networks in a more natural way...

Though it may take you longer to build up your own network will it be a higher quality network?

And if it is a network you market to in some way or another will they be more responsive?

In other words could a network of 100 or 1000 high quality contacts who enjoy the relationship and are there because they were networked naturally produce 10x the profits vs a network of 10,000 robot added imbeciles who have no clue why they are there or whom may have created their account with a robot and not actually be real people...

These have been my thoughts over the last few days as I have contemplated the nature of successful social network marketing.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jared Alberghini
    Josh, I totally get what you are saying, what are your thoughts on this:

    I have said this many times before... instead of trying to 'work' the social networks, why not create your own social network? The software has evolved so that anyone can create their own network...

    Ning. Create your own social network for anything.
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    It just seems like a natural transition... 'micro social networks'

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    • Profile picture of the author ShayB
      Originally Posted by Jared Alberghini View Post

      I have said this many times before... instead of trying to 'work' the social networks, why not create your own social network? The software has evolved so that anyone can create their own network...

      Ning. Create your own social network for anything.
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      It just seems like a natural transition... 'micro social networks'

      - Jared
      I would love to create a social network for small businesses/home businesses/etc.
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      • Profile picture of the author Jared Alberghini
        Originally Posted by ShayRockhold View Post

        I would love to create a social network for small businesses/home businesses/etc.
        Case in point Shay... you want to create your own 'interweb-cable network channel' that is laser targeted to your 'viewers'... that's the logical way to go IMO.

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      • Profile picture of the author Mike McBride
        Originally Posted by ShayRockhold View Post

        I would love to create a social network for small businesses/home businesses/etc.
        Shay,

        If you haven't yet read it, I suggest you pick up a copy of Seth Godin's latest book, Tribes.

        I think you'll find it both interesting and motivational, and provide you a healthy dose of inspiration to create such a social network.

        Good luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author Josh Anderson
    instead of trying to 'work' the social networks, why not create your own social network?
    Google friends and Ning allow you to add social networking any existing website and of course we have the age old example of forums, bulletin boards, and news groups...

    But the attraction to the already established networks is the existing user base.

    When I signed up to myspace a couple years ago my only purpose was to connect with friends already there.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jared Alberghini
      Originally Posted by Josh Anderson View Post

      But the attraction to the already established networks is the existing user base.
      Sure... you can say the same thing about ABC, NBC & CBS (or BBC... for those across the pond)... before 'Cable' came into the picture...

      That's how you should view the current 'most popular social networks'... just the forefront of a much bigger revolution that is coming down the road.

      If you want to be ahead of the curve, creating your own channel on the interweb-cable-network is the way to go.

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  • Profile picture of the author Josh Anderson
    Speaking of Ning...

    I have been searching for some time now for documentation on how to autocreate a ning account.

    I see where there are outbound API but to make it truly viable for our own publisher network we need to be able to post data to ning when our system generates a new user account in our membership management platform.

    Or I'd love to see some other social system that can be added to existing membership sites or wordpress blogs which has an incoming api or plugin available that will autocreate the social account instead of the other way around which seems to be ning's limitation when it comes to integration with existing third party membership sites.
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    • Profile picture of the author ExRat
      Hi Josh,

      That's an interesting quote. I wonder how many people will actually learn something from this -

      I'm very close to killing my Facebook account. The 'potential' of it as a marketing tool hasn't quite materialized. More untargeted daily.
      What I observed was many of the high level experts/gurus (take your pick) publicizing their switch to 'social marketing.' For example, blog posts about how quickly they added a ton of friends/followers.

      And then a whole bunch of people followed them and started making products based on this 'trend'. Many a heated debate has been had on this forum, with some of the people who use these sites getting heated when someone else suggested that they were wasting their time.

      We've also had other lower level experts staking their claim that 'ranking is dead' and that everyone needs to embrace the new way that the internet is working, usually based on the premise that 'the internet is now smaller, news travels faster, your customers can spread news about your products instantly - good or bad - so you must build relationships and interact with your people.'

      Conversely, some grizzled vets have been watching from the sidelines, thinking to themselves 'we've seen all of this before, the gurus start the trend, the followers follow, the shovel sellers create new shovels in all shades of white, grey, black...'
      This is not good for the social networking sites in general. In fact I bet the people that get the most enjoyment and satisfaction out of the social networking sites are those who have natural social relationships or at least some real interaction with their friends, fan base, or client base.
      I'd have to counter that the people who probably get the most 'enjoyment' (profit) out of it are probably -

      a) the shovel sellers

      b) the people who use the automation tools to get masses of exposure and links out there

      Yes, I got what you meant Josh, I just twisted it a little to make a point.

      It doesn't surprise me to see the experts making U-turns about this, and it won't surprise me to see the people who initially jumped on this, 'failing to notice' these U-turns and continuing to bang on about social networking being the be all and end all - because most of them have just finished creating brand new shovels and don't want the gravy train to end just yet.

      And it won't surprise me when I continue to hear them talking about how ranking is dead and that you need to 'connect with your audience' and 'be transparent' and build up followings.

      If I could be bothered, I'd be interested to see what the person quoted was saying about facebook in the recent past. But I also note that at least he has the guts to inform his readers that he has changed his mind, unlike the majority who will just quietly move on, leaving the people 'in their wake' flogging a dead horse.
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      • Profile picture of the author Martin Luxton
        Josh,

        I think there's an analogy to be drawn with the way tourism destroys the beauty that created it.

        People find a beautiful place, recommend it to other people then the developers and hucksters move in.

        I'm not putting forward a green, tree-hugging agenda. The UN is trying to promote "sustainable tourism" because it's the only logical business model. Too many places are killing the goose that lays the golden egg.

        Many marketers are looking for ways to rape social networking sites instead of adding value to them. One of the saddest threads I've ever contributed to on the WF was about a year back. The OP was discussing how to spam Craigslist (oops, sorry, that should read "How to help Craigslist visitors buy his products and be happy people"). It then moved on to discuss how to "help" members of social networking sites.

        I was in a minority who recommended using the sites for the purpose they were intended. Basically, I was a "sucker who would never be rich". I've rarely seen such contempt on a thread here.

        That has been my problem ever since I started IM. So many methods people recommend trouble my conscience. Now I have it very clear in my mind what business model I want and, more importantly, what to reject, but for newbies it can be very difficult to know who is on the side of the angels.

        Maybe we should think about promoting "sustainable social networking". Avoid people who recommend strategies that pollute the internet ("Build A 100 Adsense/Wordpress Sites A Day!").

        The WF stresses that what you post should "add value to the forum".

        Do your sites add value to the internet?

        Martin

        P.S. A membership site I belong to has warned all members not to use a
        "How to help Craigslist visitors buy your products and be happy people" ebook because Craigslist are taken aggressive legal action against the author. I hope it's not my rich friend from last year.
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    • Profile picture of the author Josh Anderson
      I love to be a part of the social networking site. I really dont understand why everyone wants to kill the thought of it. think anyone who has a proble with such sites should stop visiting them. Every man for himself !!
      I know I am long winded but you could have at least read the OP that started off the thread so you knew what we were talking about ;-)
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      • Profile picture of the author ptone
        Originally Posted by Josh Anderson View Post

        I know I am long winded but you could have at least read the OP that started off the thread so you knew what we were talking about ;-)
        That would've taken up too much of his time. He has lots of posts to make and a short time to do it! :rolleyes:
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    • Profile picture of the author Alminc
      In other words could a network of 100 or 1000 high quality contacts who enjoy the relationship and are there because they were networked naturally produce 10x the profits vs a network of 10,000 robot added imbeciles who have no clue why they are there or whom may have created their account with a robot and not actually be real people...
      Why call those innocent people 'imbeciles'?

      Besides, there is hardly space for 'natural' networking, that is making friends, in professional internet marketing, where everything is a matter of gathering prospects and customers, selling, making money.
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  • Profile picture of the author Josh Anderson
    Why call those innocent people 'imbeciles'?
    What if they are not innocent people at all? What if they are simply bot created, bot managed, bot automated accounts that your bot had befriended?

    In that case its not social networking at all its a "bot net" :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    This has got to be the best thread I've seen in here in awhile.

    I'm a marketer, but I have to say that, in general, marketers are driving me crazy. Auto this, spam that. It seems like there is no way to go that something isn't being trashed for a buck.

    Look at newsletters - do you really want to call some of the advertising tabloids out there "newsletters"? It's a joke. Mostly to blame are the guys who thought because their names were well known enough all they had to do is start tossing links for people to click and buy from - then the little guys come along and want to emulate cheap tactics. Why not? Look how many people are stupid or desperate enough to swallow cheap tactics.

    I used to pick up some pretty good gigs on craigslist here and again. Now everything posted is trash. Join my program and make enough money to buy a country. Those with the real contracts don't touch it any more. Then when I come into our own Warrior forum - what do I see? "How can I post 50 million links on craigslist?" The hell with TOS - just get my ads up.

    One by one the mediums that are being used either fold or strike back. It's just sickening that they need to. It would be a step in the right direction to kill the bots and make people do business as humans again.
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