SCAM!! - What Is Your Definition Of The Word SCAM ?

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SCAM!!

What is your definition of the word SCAM ?


Hello,

I wanted to start what hopefully could turn into an intelligent,
educational conversation regarding the overuse of the word "scam".

This may benefit both legitimate merchants, and also consumers,
in order to understand and improve ways to bridge the gap
that exists between trying to sell a product or service,
and trying to buy one.

Hopefully this post will get responses from legitimate merchants
who may have been faced with emails, phone calls, or other
feedback stating that their product or service is a scam,
even though they always offer a no questions asked
60 day full money back refund, or better,

And also feedback would be great from consumers and or
anyone who remembers using the word scam
in a recent post or comment, email to a friend etc,
in order to understand what makes you use the word
when talking about a product or service.

I often see the word being thrown around loosely
by folks who love to over use the word,
without fully understanding the definition of a scam.

For example, I may come across a statement similar to:


"I checked out the site, it looks like a scam"


Or,

"I've used product xyz and it didn't work for me, it's a scam"


However, in the same post they might mention that they requested a refund
and received it without trouble.



I'm looking forward to your responses,
and hopefully we can all learn from each other so that
merchants
may be motivated to offer better products, services, and or better customer assistance,

and consumers can be offered better ways to solve issues,
ask questions, try a product, etc, before referring to something as a scam.




Arnold Stolting.

#definition #scam #scammed #scammer #scamming #what is a scam #word
  • Profile picture of the author Joshua Rigley
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    Super Crazy And Mad.
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  • Profile picture of the author Will Edwards
    Getting people's money by the practice of deception.

    Will
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    • Profile picture of the author VinnyBock
      Originally Posted by Will Edwards View Post

      Getting people's money by the practice of deception.

      Will
      ^^^ And Then Disappearing..

      The word is over used, unfortunately the web is busting at the seams with them... I wouldn't go meet some one from Craigslist for a physical product or service w/o a gun... LOL (JK)
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      • Profile picture of the author Sell
        Information that is misleading and does not provide what was intended.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dan Freeman
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      Originally Posted by Will Edwards View Post

      Getting people's money by the practice of deception.

      Will
      I do not think it stops at just money. Items like property, vehicles, spouses and even feeling can be scammed as well
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      • Profile picture of the author PepperVA
        I think the definition for the word scam is subjective depending on each and everyone's personal experience with it.

        It can be as complicated as involving a trick, game, or any attempt to intentionally mislead a person or persons usually with the goal of financial or other gain, or as simple as a plain lie.

        But it should also be noted that a scam for one may not be considered a scam for another.

        I'm just quite concern, are all scams intentional by nature? Is it possible to commit the act unintentionally?
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  • Profile picture of the author EugeneA
    To fool one inorder to gain money or goods while not holding up to your end.
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  • Profile picture of the author Josh MacDonald
    I'm just wondering why you want to know.
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    • Profile picture of the author The Niche Man
      Over promising and under-delivering!
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      • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
        Originally Posted by The Niche Man View Post

        Over promising and under-delivering!
        Maybe, or that could simply be poor execution on the part of the seller, or unrealistic expectations on the part of the buyer.


        A scam is any set-up designed to extract something - time, money, an email address, whatever - from a person under a false premise.

        The word "scam" is thrown around far too loosely. Incorrect usage of the word does get my attention, but probably not in the way the person using it wrongly intended.
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        • Profile picture of the author retirewithsandie
          Agree the word scam is used too loosely these days.

          When I worked for the credit card companies, anytime someone didn't receive their product, they'd call in saying "this company is running a scam." But it wasn't necessarily a scam, there were often a number of other factors involved as to why they hadn't received it. 99% of the time they didn't even try to call or email about it!

          The dispute process is fine that's why it's there & so as long as they do it within the time frame their rights are protected. But throwing the word around unwarranted can put a legitimate company in a bad light.

          What is the saying--for every bad experience you tell 9 in 10; for every good experience you tell 1 in 10. But of course that saying was before social media--first learned that in business classes half a million years ago.

          Now with Facebook & Twitter, one post/tweet can go viral in seconds. The one *good* thing with Twitter is if in your tweet you @ the company name (many also search for their names being mentioned without the @) many will contact you.

          I've had friends who have had issues with companies resolved through Twitter just by saying their complaint & mentioning the company. They weren't speaking to the company per se, but because it mentioned them the representative working the account assisted them. If it's something general, they'll resolve it in the open, if it involves account specific details or other personal information, they'll go to DM.
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    • Profile picture of the author Claire Koch
      same reason I just said it has NO definition he's trying to see if there is anything at all
      Big Mike once again really spelled it out the best IMHO.
      Originally Posted by Josh MacDonald View Post

      I'm just wondering why you want to know.
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  • Profile picture of the author JustinDupre
    Misleading a person into parting with his or her money.
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  • Profile picture of the author mykecans
    Deceiving people to get money. Surely that is a SCAM.
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  • Profile picture of the author JohnBertagna
    Originally Posted by Chris Kent View Post

    The definition is deception or fraud.

    But frankly, most people expand that to being misleading too. I'd agree with that, even if the dictionary doesn't.
    Agreed,

    Most people interpret as not getting the result they imagined.
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  • Profile picture of the author glinda2011
    Scam is deception to take an advantage, not telling the truth and leading you with the wrong direction.

    Scam is a lie..
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  • Profile picture of the author bagpuss0001
    From my perspective a scam is anything you pay for that doesnt deliver what it offers.
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  • Profile picture of the author paulssolutions
    I've been a full-time I.M now for 3 years and to me what I get sick to death of hearing is people teaching people "How To Make Money Online" when they are NOT making money them selfs... To me that's a SCAM!

    Of course everyone can use the word SCAM when it comes to a product or website because that product or website won't work for everyone, I've sold and even given away products that have worked for me and my students but yet those it didn't work for called it a scam.

    I think it's a very fine line between what is and what isn't a SCAM to be honest.
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  • Profile picture of the author IMWinner
    Everything that is in any relation to cheating and deception are all SCAMS. Products or services that as they claimed, are trustworthy and operational, but as a result, you will be provided with the lowest quality and unacceptable services that is worth nothing.
    I have been a victim of some scams before, and honestly, I was infuriated since I invested some money but there was nothing on the other side of the transaction.
    As I said earlier, cheating and deception are in relation to SCAMS. And SCAMMERS should be in jail.
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  • Profile picture of the author Enis
    If the person cares about their customers and has a good product which I just don't feel like is right for me is not a scam.

    But if you buy a product and find out that there's no download link then that obviously is. It's just common sense.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
      Originally Posted by Enis View Post

      But if you buy a product and find out that there's no download link then that obviously is. It's just common sense.
      What if I was having server issues that day? My link is gone just on the day you want to download.

      Let's add this - I am on vacation that day too and far away from my computer. And I don't yet have customer support.

      Are you going to cry scam immediately? Or are you going to take some time to investigate the situation further before reporting to the BBB?

      Pretend this is your first purchase from me, and you see all kinds of testimonials making me look good at first glance.

      Where is the scam line? And if I am found to be a scammer, what are your actions? Do you write it off? Do you just tell friends? Do you start announcing it on the internet?
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      • Profile picture of the author Rudder
        Here is a big SCAM - WEBINAR training - An hour long infomercial with numerous upsells. If I wanted to watch an infomercial I'd watch the boob tube.
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  • I wanted to start what hopefully could turn into an intelligent,
    educational conversation regarding the overuse of the word "scam".
    Great idea, and it's good to see this addressed because it truly IS overused!

    Strangely, where I've seen it used most often is by affiliates hoping to draw attention with what I suppose they consider to be some sort of scare tactic.

    Under the false pretense of revealing some "secret" about a product or service they arouse curiosity in order to entice ("ready-to-buy" perhaps??) traffic, refute the false rumors, put the potential customer's fears to rest, and thus seal the deal to gain the commission.

    I feel that by using such tactics, they actually do the vendor for whom they are an affiliate a great disservice!

    Many vendors have taken steps to forbid the use of such verbage by their affiliates because it's truly suggestive enough (in my humble opinion) to be considered slander/libel depending upon the context in which it's used.

    ~Karen
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  • Profile picture of the author lovetospooge
    My definition of the word scam is, six figures over night, get rich with a click of a button. If I see anything like this on a website or forum thread I consider it to be a scam.
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  • Profile picture of the author canada94
    So Cowardly And Malicious = SCAM, great thread by the way.


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  • Profile picture of the author jerzykaz
    Scam is if someone sells something and doesn't deliver the product he said he would after the sale is done.
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    In the simplest sense, a scam is gaining money by means of deception.
    (Other people already said this.)

    But it might be interesting to mention that MANY scams/scammers are very elaborate in a sense that they take advantage of human psychology and emotions.

    Here is a classic example: Maybe you know the story of that woman who fell for the Nigerian "send me money" scam - and that woman lost money and money and was repeatedly told it is a scam.

    HOWEVER - even after the news covering her story and countless people trying to convince her that the classic Nigerian scam letter IS, WELL, A SCAM...she was still insisting that it might be legit *after all* and was going to send more money following the letters from the scammer(s) asking for more money.

    The other example is a classic also, it's those "Congratulations, you won $2.000.000" letters which can look VERY convincing.

    Every person (rationally) "knows" that they did NOT win the $2M and it's only a garbage mailing letter trying to sell something - however, our brain tends to "favor" the better alternative that you MAYBE really won $2.000.000 (against any logic) - simply because the "win" is better as the harsh reality to admit you are just getting scammed.

    And if you look at many scam schemes, you will see how incredible elaborate and BOLD they sometimes are and how incredible stupid the people are - but its psychology that we want to believe things against all odds and logic.

    And this is the reason why the "perfect marketer" is selling dreams and hopes (money, luxury, sex etc...) and why those schemes are working for so long already and people are STILL falling for them. People want to believe...and while clinging to the beliefs and dreams they leave any rational sense and healthy doubts behind in favor for the promised riches. Just an INTERESTING subject, IMO.
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    • Profile picture of the author seobro
      What is a scam. Here is the anatomy of one. Politician says he will lower your taxes - if elected that is. When he gets into office he raises them again and again. OK as always he has excuses. When you walk up to him at a town hall meeting he says - LOOK, I am very busy right now - excuse me. Then he runs out of the room.

      People keep voting for him again and again. That is the anatomy of a scam.
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  • Profile picture of the author temlawn
    Alan Thanks for the laugh with the video..lol. I needed that
    Thx
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Chicas
    When you buy a website and the seller is deceptive, and you can't find any info on him... 'til months later when you discover that people have nick named him as "the Australian Scam Boy, Shea" Yep, you can pretty much be sure it was a scam.
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  • Profile picture of the author J Bold
    Not sure why this thread was revived but anyway, the overuse of the word "scam" is part of the stupification of our lives and the world, I think.

    In the end, the word "scam" means more to the person who uses it then anyone else, as will all word choice.
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  • Profile picture of the author Irvan Mhd
    SCAM is some bad methods which are doing by internet marketer. These methods against the rule of internet marketer. The doer will get bad reputation because doing of those methods.
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  • Profile picture of the author visimedia
    scam : not delivering/ obey the promises in a purpose.....
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