Add Me To The List Of People PayPal Has Screwed

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Got a lovely email this morning from Paypal telling me they're withholding several thousands of dollars as a rolling reserve and won't release it for 120 days.

I've been trying to find the two threads from people this has happened to and they were able to get their money pretty quickly.

Anyone able to help me out and find those?
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  • Profile picture of the author Giani
    That is terrible thing to happen. I don't have much money in paypal. This link will provide you guidance on what alternatives you have.

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  • Profile picture of the author cashcow
    Are they only withholding a reserve and still allowing you to do business or did they shut you down completely?

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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Grant
      Originally Posted by cashcow View Post

      Are they only withholding a reserve and still allowing you to do business or did they shut you down completely?

      Lee
      They're withholding thousands of dollars for 120 days, and will be witholding 10-50% from every transaction hereafter for 120 days.
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      • Profile picture of the author cashcow
        Originally Posted by Mike Grant View Post

        They're withholding thousands of dollars for 120 days, and will be witholding 10-50% from every transaction hereafter for 120 days.
        Yeah, that stinks but at least you are still able to do business. Some of the other people have been kicked out leaving them to scramble to find another way to take payment.

        I usually keep a reserve in mine (about 15% of total money that runs through there) did you do that or did you always pull it all out?

        If you aren't selling a product does that mean you are selling a service?

        You could consider alertpay and google checkout, I just added them as alternate payment processors on my products just in case paypal decides it doesnt like me anymore.

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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Grant
          Originally Posted by cashcow View Post

          Yeah, that stinks but at least you are still able to do business. Some of the other people have been kicked out leaving them to scramble to find another way to take payment.

          I usually keep a reserve in mine (about 15% of total money that runs through there) did you do that or did you always pull it all out?

          If you aren't selling a product does that mean you are selling a service?

          You could consider alertpay and google checkout, I just added them as alternate payment processors on my products just in case paypal decides it doesnt like me anymore.

          Lee
          I sell services, yes.

          Sucks because there is a lot of money they're holding.
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          • Well, you know the only way to get out from under PayPal's thumb is to set up a merchant account. Then you'll have all your money back in 120 days.

            PayPal isn't going to change. They've successfully screwed over any number or large merchants this way. This is a fight or flight situation -- looks like flight is your best option. Sorry.

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            • Profile picture of the author Mike Grant
              Originally Posted by fluffythewondercat View Post

              Well, you know the only way to get out from under PayPal's thumb is to set up a merchant account. Then you'll have all your money back in 120 days.

              PayPal isn't going to change. They've successfully screwed over any number or large merchants this way. This is a fight or flight situation -- looks like flight is your best option. Sorry.

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              Already have a merch account, but that doesn't solve my issue nor does it justify their actions.



              Were the threads of people in similar situations as myself deleted? I know some of them were able to get their money back quickly.
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  • Profile picture of the author webfighter
    Were you suddenly receiving an incredibly high amount of chargebacks or PayPal came out of the blues with limiting your account?
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  • Profile picture of the author George Wright
    Hi Mike,

    Sorry to hear that. I know there are/were threads addressing problems with PayPal. Sometimes threads like that get deleted. (Rule one you know.) Anyway I can only speak from personal experience, so for what it's worth...

    I have always been able to get reasonable results from PayPal when I call them and ask, "What can I do to.....???

    They tell me, I do it and they help me.

    Have you called?

    If this thread remains open, (and it probably will if it doesn't turn into a PayPal bashing thread) Please keep us posted as to your progress. Any little insight into dealing with PayPal will help us all.

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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Grant
      Originally Posted by George Wright View Post

      Hi Mike,

      Sorry to hear that. I know there are/were threads addressing problems with PayPal. Sometimes threads like that get deleted. (Rule one you know.) Anyway I can only speak from personal experience, so for what it's worth...

      I have always been able to get reasonable results from PayPal when I call them and ask, "What can I do to.....???

      They tell me, I do it and they help me.

      Have you called?

      If this thread remains open, (and it probably will if it doesn't turn into a PayPal bashing thread) Please keep us posted as to your progress. Any little insight into dealing with PayPal will help us all.

      George Wright
      I tried calling them and the guy I spoke with told me he is not able to tell me any reasons as to why this has happened and he is not allowed or even able to lift the reserve.
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  • Profile picture of the author warriorkay
    .
    When you start doing loads of heavy transactions, this
    happens. I also have SEVERAL thousands of dollars held
    up with them as rolling reserve, with a certain percentage
    added to it from EACH transaction. Some other IMers
    I talk to are also in the same boat, some even have tens
    of thousands of dollars held up as rolling reserve.

    But the thing is that unless you desperately need the
    money, it's not such a bad thing. I mean, it's still your
    money, only being kept aside for you (without the interest
    being paid to you, though, )

    I can't say I blame paypal too much for this because they
    are trying to also protect themselves. With the many
    fraudsters we have online, paypal wants to share the risks
    with you. See it in paypal's eyes for a second...

    You are selling a product and get a ton of affiliates who
    push the heck out of the product... you make hundreds
    of sales... you cash the entire money and DAYS later,
    LOTS of the sales get disputed. Because you have
    spent the money already, you can't refund. Paypal is
    left with the burden of addressing the various disputes.

    And by the way, with the many fraudsters exploiting systems
    like DigiResults, many IMers will continue to see this happen.

    On a related note... if you are using DigiResults, the
    below was my response to a thread in here earlier today
    about someone in trouble with paypal because of the
    many fraudulent transactions he got through DigiResults:

    -----------------

    I can understand what you are going through, Mike. It's
    really sad that these scammers are trying to destroy the
    awesome system DigiResults has in place. I was a victim of
    this sometime back with one of my products on DigiResults.

    Some things that can help...

    1. Only approve affiliates that you trust or can verify they are real.
    Many of the scammers use yahoo or hotmail. Instead of just
    rejecting them outright (you can), you should prepare an email that
    you send to all affiliates requesting to promote your product.
    The email should ask some salient questions that only serious
    affiliates will answer. The scammers won't respond.

    2. Block already approved affiliates that turn out fraudulent
    Thankfully, DigiResults (obviously more worried about this problem
    than us) recently added the ability to BLOCK affiliates. So, if
    you notice you have a bunch of fraudulent affiliates, you can
    block them right away.

    So, closing your DigiResults account is not the solution. I
    still have genuine affiliates sending me money all the time
    with their efforts, from DigiResults. Closing the account will
    make me lose out on those sales and will make the genuine
    affiliates lose out on the work they have done. Some go
    ahead to set up sites to promote my DigiResults offer.

    Lastly, DigiResults is very responsive about these issues.
    They really worked with me to resolve these issues when
    I had them... they quickly refunded the part of their commissions
    for the particular fraudulent transactions that took place.

    Hope this helps,

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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Grant
      Originally Posted by warriorkay View Post

      .
      When you start doing loads of heavy transactions, this
      happens. I also have SEVERAL thousands of dollars held
      up with them as rolling reserve, with a certain percentage
      added to it from EACH transaction. Some other IMers
      I talk to are also in the same boat, some even have tens
      of thousands of dollars held up as rolling reserve.

      But the thing is that unless you desperately need the
      money, it's not such a bad thing. I mean, it's still your
      money, only being kept aside for you (without the interest
      being paid to you, though, )

      I can't say I blame paypal too much for this because they
      are trying to also protect themselves. With the many
      fraudsters we have online, paypal wants to share the risks
      with you. See it in paypal's eyes for a second...

      You are selling a product and get a ton of affiliates who
      push the heck out of the product... you make hundreds
      of sales... you cash the entire money and DAYS later,
      LOTS of the sales get disputed. Because you have
      spent the money already, you can't refund. Paypal is
      left with the burden of addressing the various disputes.

      And by the way, with the many fraudsters exploiting systems
      like DigiResults, many IMers will continue to see this happen.

      On a related note... if you are using DigiResults, the
      below was my response to a thread in here earlier today
      about someone in trouble with paypal because of the
      many fraudulent transactions he got through DigiResults:

      -----------------

      I can understand what you are going through, Mike. It's
      really sad that these scammers are trying to destroy the
      awesome system DigiResults has in place. I was a victim of
      this sometime back with one of my products on DigiResults.

      Some things that can help...

      1. Only approve affiliates that you trust or can verify they are real.
      Many of the scammers use yahoo or hotmail. Instead of just
      rejecting them outright (you can), you should prepare an email that
      you send to all affiliates requesting to promote your product.
      The email should ask some salient questions that only serious
      affiliates will answer. The scammers won't respond.

      2. Block already approved affiliates that turn out fraudulent
      Thankfully, DigiResults (obviously more worried about this problem
      than us) recently added the ability to BLOCK affiliates. So, if
      you notice you have a bunch of fraudulent affiliates, you can
      block them right away.

      So, closing your DigiResults account is not the solution. I
      still have genuine affiliates sending me money all the time
      with their efforts, from DigiResults. Closing the account will
      make me lose out on those sales and will make the genuine
      affiliates lose out on the work they have done. Some go
      ahead to set up sites to promote my DigiResults offer.

      Lastly, DigiResults is very responsive about these issues.
      They really worked with me to resolve these issues when
      I had them... they quickly refunded the part of their commissions
      for the particular fraudulent transactions that took place.

      Hope this helps,

      Kingsley
      I'm not selling any products.

      I also don't sell anything in the MMO niche.
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    • Profile picture of the author bhuff85
      Originally Posted by warriorkay View Post

      Because you have
      spent the money already, you can't refund. Paypal is
      left with the burden of addressing the various disputes.
      Not if you have a bank account attached to your PayPal account where you transferred all that money to. Best believe that they will go right into that linked account and snap up what is owed to them.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Grant
    If any of you are wondering, there is a class action suit against this very situation. Unfortunately for my state, Florida, the higher ups seem to be a bit unaware.

    So far I've contacted two lawyers, Secretary of State, and the Florida Office of Financial Regulation. What they're doing is illegal in the State of Florida under their Money Transmitter license.
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  • Profile picture of the author murtuza
    I know this is a strange thing to happen with paypal. They banned one of my accounts and holded all the funds saying that I was selling network marketing MLM products.

    Inspite of trying to convince them that I was not selling these products and they are just IM products they did not listen to me and banned the account.

    I pretty much scare to use paypal after that for accepting payments for any of my products, infact I shifted to 2checkout even though they are charging 5.5% per transaction fee.

    Also I am about to setup a huge product funnel with complete affiliate management for around 50 products and rather going with payspree or paydotcom I preferred to go with 2checkout because they are more flexible and ethical in doing the payment processing system rather than getting a cool email from paypal in the morning and knowing that I have crashed my entire affiliate management of a 50 product funnel in one night that I had setup for months.

    This is really shocking.

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  • Profile picture of the author carloru
    Paypal is primarily a payment processor, but they seem to have arrogated to themselves the duties of financial regulator, bank and the DEA/FBI.

    Their business is simply to process payments. I do not see why they have to keep limiting people's accounts for any reason, withholding people's monies which they conveniently appropriate. IT IS FRAUDULENT!

    I sincerely think the original poster should consider taking legal action against Paypal so that not only does he get his money, but this will serve as a benchmark on which other aggrieved merchants can get redress.

    Believe me, it takes one case to sort these issues out. By the time Paypal realises that they risk civil litigations from all over the place, believe you me they will sit up.

    Enough of such nonsense on Paypal's part please!
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