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Article marketing- can we please set the record straight.

by TKO
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At the moment i have 25 articles posted on Ezines. The traffic has been quite good and the CTR is a whopping 38%. So i'm happy.

These articles are designed to get traffic to my blog and i've also used 2 anchor texts in my resource box that i want to rank for. Nothing unusual here right, pretty standard stuff.

My question, can i use these 25 articles and mass submit them to other directories?

Every where i look i hear different stories of duplicate content, being sandboxed and even being delisted.

I want to mass submit them for the backlinks.

To all article marketers, what are your experiences? Should i do it, or just submit to the top 5 directories and re write all the aricles.

Anyone tested this?

Thanks in advance.....
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  • Profile picture of the author captivereef
    Here is my experience. I took 40 of my articles and rewrote them 100% using articleapps. i rewrote them targeting the same keyword, on a google search for that keyword most of those articles appear on the first page and some keywords I have 5 or 6 of 10 spots.

    The articles that i did not rewrite and just submitted do not have the same results and usually the ezinearticle beats them all out.

    I submitted to these directories

    ezinearticles
    goarticles
    articledahsboard
    amazines
    realestateproarticles
    articlecube

    After that experience i firm beleive in rewriting my articles for the top directories.
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  • Profile picture of the author ryanman
    I would say just submit to ezinearticles and that would be more than enough even in the long term.
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  • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
    Re spinning/writing your articles for the other article depots has it's merits and it's a lot of work.

    Are you taking the time to make sure each of your articles is SEO'd?

    Then you could get a boatload of traffic from the free search engines not just from the article depots.

    There are folks getting articles written for the top 100 search terms in their niche and then submitting them to EZA in hopes of getting of the 1st page of the SERPS.

    Hope This Helps!!

    TL

    Ps. There a lot of other stuff you can do with that content also.
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  • Profile picture of the author WinsonYeung
    well, submit them to ezinearticles and submit the other articles to other acticle directories with a link back to your article in ezinearticles.com
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    • Profile picture of the author Asher
      Originally Posted by WinsonYeung View Post

      well, submit them to ezinearticles and submit the other articles to other acticle directories with a link back to your article in ezinearticles.com
      Now... why would you want to do something
      like that? Other than to increase views on
      another related article?

      If you can explain to me so I can understand...
      Because this really doesn't make any sense
      to me.

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      • Profile picture of the author Roy Carter
        Asher

        Winson is boosting the power of his Ezine article by doing this. It will potentially move his article into the most viewed catagory within EZA with
        all the benefits that that entails. Also it will boost the SE rankings of his EZA article.

        Roy

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        • Profile picture of the author Asher
          Originally Posted by Roy Carter View Post

          Asher

          Winson is boosting the power of his Ezine article by doing this. It will potentially move his article into the most viewed catagory within EZA with
          all the benefits that that entails. Also it will boost the SE rankings of his EZA article.

          Roy

          Roy
          Even that puzzles me... you just had a precious, precious
          clickthrough and you send it to increase 1 view? And
          potentially lose the person from clicking through the
          resource box again?

          Doesn't make sense.

          UNLESS... you made the other article on the rest of the
          directories and had in your resource box to get the
          complete article in EZA.

          But still, as Jay stated...

          Why would you give your content to an article directory before your own property?...
          You should be benefiting your own business or your own
          page first... not someone else's?

          Asher
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  • Profile picture of the author JayXtreme
    Why would you give your content to an article directory before your own property?...

    You should sevre it on your own website before you give it to EZA or any other directory.. I blogged recently about how I use my content... 4 steps of content use..always starts with publishing on my own domain first..

    Peace

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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt Henninger
    Asher....what winsor is doing is getting backlinks from authority sites to his article. Using the article on ezine articles as "bait" He is getting link from authority sites to boost his search engine rankings for the article on ezine articles. In turn, you will get more search engine traffic from that one article on ezinearticles than the traffic just from multiple article directories.
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    • Profile picture of the author Allen Graves
      Originally Posted by Kurt Henninger View Post

      Asher....what winsor is doing is getting backlinks from authority sites to his article. Using the article on ezine articles as "bait" He is getting link from authority sites to boost his search engine rankings for the article on ezine articles. In turn, you will get more search engine traffic from that one article on ezinearticles than the traffic just from multiple article directories.
      This isn't working that well anymore.

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      • Profile picture of the author Bryan Zimmerman
        Originally Posted by Allen Graves View Post

        This isn't working that well anymore.

        AL

        Maybe I just got lucky but I've got three articles from ezine all in the top 5 on the front page of google by doing this in the past month. All in different niches.

        If it is just luck I hope it doesn't run out anytime soon. lol
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  • Profile picture of the author captivereef
    I have avoided linking to ezinearticles from other directories. Something in my gut tells me Google will eventually target that type of thing. i could be wrong but I always try to stay away from trying to trick the search engines, it usually bites you in the end.
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  • Profile picture of the author Stangracer
    Originally Posted by TKO View Post

    At the moment i have 25 articles posted on Ezines. The traffic has been quite good and the CTR is a whopping 38%. So i'm happy.

    These articles are designed to get traffic to my blog and i've also used 2 anchor texts in my resource box that i want to rank for. Nothing unusual here right, pretty standard stuff.

    My question, can i use these 25 articles and mass submit them to other directories?

    Every where i look i hear different stories of duplicate content, being sandboxed and even being delisted.

    I want to mass submit them for the backlinks.

    To all article marketers, what are your experiences? Should i do it, or just submit to the top 5 directories and re write all the aricles.

    Anyone tested this?

    Thanks in advance.....

    You can always try this out:

    Step By Step - How to get the MOST out of an Ezine Article!

    It's a way to get your ezine articles working harder for you by posting to other article sites.

    Pretty slick trick. Since your EZA articles are already doing well, this may help them perform even better.

    Also get some more backlinks as well... It's a win-win.

    Good Luck
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    • Profile picture of the author TonyG2160
      Originally Posted by Stangracer View Post

      You can always try this out:

      Step By Step - How to get the MOST out of an Ezine Article!

      It's a way to get your ezine articles working harder for you by posting to other article sites.

      Pretty slick trick. Since your EZA articles are already doing well, this may help them perform even better.

      Also get some more backlinks as well... It's a win-win.

      Good Luck
      My recent experience with this:

      I had one article that was doing pretty well on ezinearticles. After about 2 weeks, the article was on the second page of Google for its long tail keyword (position 13-14 I think).

      I decided to give this a shot so I posted the exact article with a slightly modified resource box to about 5 or 6 other primary article directories (goarticles, articledashboard, articlebase, etc). The resource box was modified with one link pointing to my site, the other pointing to the ezinearticle.

      Initially, everything disappeared off of google...then after a few days, a couple of the other articles started ranking. At first, they were competing with each other, sometimes ranking side by side around the 2nd or 3rd page for the long tail keyword. These were the articledashboard and articlebase articles.

      Now...a couple of weeks later...the articledashboard article has "settled" on the third page, or low on the second page...the ezinearticles article has not been seen on google since.

      I know it's not a "duplicate content" thing because the articlebase article is still there...trailing on about page 6 or 7, but this has obviously (in this case so far) not boosted the ezinearticle ranking.

      Any thoughts?
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      • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
        I would say give it a little more time to come back. I build links to my EZA articles regularly and often have good results with it

        Something else that you might try just to get the search engines to pay attention to the content again is to also social bookmark the article at a couple places or even put up a cheesy youtube video linking back to the article.

        I know there are a lot of people that think link building to your articles is a waste of time, but I've been doing it for a while now and have found that it not only increases my article rankings, but brings me MORE TRAFFIC which in turn brings me MORE MONEY.

        Now, on the other side of the coin, you have the group that will tell you to post all your content to your site either first or at all. Is that right? Who knows, but what I do know is that I have had much better luck getting my articles at EZA and other powerful directories to rank well than a site of my own. That could mean that I suck at SEO However, if you look in the search engines you will find a ton of articles ranking for keywords. Trace those articles back to the persons site. You will find that they are trying to rank for the same keywords on the site, but are on the 1 billionth page of google for the keyword. That should tell you something...

        I belive that you should always be trying new things, as I do. Every once in a while you will stumble across a new system or way of doing things that works great. Testing and paying attention is the key


        Originally Posted by TonyG2160 View Post

        My recent experience with this:

        I had one article that was doing pretty well on ezinearticles. After about 2 weeks, the article was on the second page of Google for its long tail keyword (position 13-14 I think).

        I decided to give this a shot so I posted the exact article with a slightly modified resource box to about 5 or 6 other primary article directories (goarticles, articledashboard, articlebase, etc). The resource box was modified with one link pointing to my site, the other pointing to the ezinearticle.

        Initially, everything disappeared off of google...then after a few days, a couple of the other articles started ranking. At first, they were competing with each other, sometimes ranking side by side around the 2nd or 3rd page for the long tail keyword. These were the articledashboard and articlebase articles.

        Now...a couple of weeks later...the articledashboard article has "settled" on the third page, or low on the second page...the ezinearticles article has not been seen on google since.

        I know it's not a "duplicate content" thing because the articlebase article is still there...trailing on about page 6 or 7, but this has obviously (in this case so far) not boosted the ezinearticle ranking.

        Any thoughts?
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  • Profile picture of the author Andy Money
    Originally Posted by TKO View Post

    At the moment i have 25 articles posted on Ezines. The traffic has been quite good and the CTR is a whopping 38%. So i'm happy.

    These articles are designed to get traffic to my blog and i've also used 2 anchor texts in my resource box that i want to rank for. Nothing unusual here right, pretty standard stuff.

    My question, can i use these 25 articles and mass submit them to other directories?

    Every where i look i hear different stories of duplicate content, being sandboxed and even being delisted.

    I want to mass submit them for the backlinks.

    To all article marketers, what are your experiences? Should i do it, or just submit to the top 5 directories and re write all the aricles.

    Anyone tested this?

    Thanks in advance.....
    Duplicate content? Won't be a problem...

    Sandboxed/delisted? Not even a chance, seriously...

    Just submit the same article to tons of directories if you have the time or just high PR ones if you don't.
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  • Profile picture of the author Angela V. Edwards
    Yes, you can submit them "as is" to the other directories. This is not "duplicate content". Google said so, and if that WAS duplicate content, don't you think the Article Directories would have all been banned by Google?

    The article that I have on GoArticles that is on page one of Google out of 12.4 million has been requested 1,644 times. And probably used that many times on people's websites. Don't you think that would have raised "red flags" at Google? Yet, my article remains on page one and GoArticles remains at a Page Rank 6; indexed JUST FINE by Google.

    Duplicate Content means that more than one page on the same domain is the same.


    Originally Posted by TKO View Post

    At the moment i have 25 articles posted on Ezines. The traffic has been quite good and the CTR is a whopping 38%. So i'm happy.

    These articles are designed to get traffic to my blog and i've also used 2 anchor texts in my resource box that i want to rank for. Nothing unusual here right, pretty standard stuff.

    My question, can i use these 25 articles and mass submit them to other directories?

    Every where i look i hear different stories of duplicate content, being sandboxed and even being delisted.

    I want to mass submit them for the backlinks.

    To all article marketers, what are your experiences? Should i do it, or just submit to the top 5 directories and re write all the aricles.

    Anyone tested this?

    Thanks in advance.....
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  • Profile picture of the author visitmaniac
    My Rule of thumb is this. If the article is written by me 100% unique content then I submit it on my blog and then to the 180 article sites that I know of. I have a software program that helps make this process much easier. The amount of traffic has been crazy from doing so. So go ahead and submit submit and submit as long as it is 100% original content written by you.
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  • Profile picture of the author Angela V. Edwards
    It's good to build your site and eventually, you want your site to do well. But article directories like EZA and GoArticles have a Page Rank of 6 and thousands of backlinks already; some of them .Gov and .Edu links.

    It would take YEARS for us to get our sites to this point, so why not take advantage of what's already there on the article directories?
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  • Profile picture of the author Allen Graves
    You're right Jeremy. Always test...that's the secret and that's the difference between following the crowd and leading the pack.

    As described above and in the other thread, the technique isn't working well anymore. The articles that were ranking highly with that particular technique are all gone now.

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  • Profile picture of the author edman
    Just like what captivereef, I tested the same article on different directories, as opposed to rewriting them for other engines, and I go better results for the unique ones.

    It makes sense that Google will rank one of your articles from on directory rather than producing four of the same articles on the same page. There's more than enough content to choose from. I've had one article rank high on the same page multiple times in the past, but these days it's hard to achieve that. Rewriting your articles, or creating unique content gives you a better chance of dominating a search result.

    If you can make the time, do rewrite your articles and submit them to the top 5 directories and see what happens... and just as stated above... you'll never really know what will happen until you test.. Not just to test how many people visit the article, but how well it converts too.
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    • Profile picture of the author TKO
      Thank you Warriors so much, some great advice here.

      @Captivereef- I think i'm going to take your path with my articles. Don't want potential customers reading the exact same articles.

      @Allen Graves- I totally agree with you on this one. The bigger network of articles you have out there, the greater chance of you getting your article read and ultimately visitors getting to your site. (Allen sending you a PM)

      @JayXtreme- Absolutely agree with your comment. First and foremost i try and build my own virtual real estate. Average post on my blog is around 750-1000 words. I use the articles as a teaser to get them to read my post. Average article length is around 350 words.

      @Angela Edwards- so do you mass submit? If so what are your results? Do you send your readers to a sales page or to your site? (Links for month 3 are amazing keep up the fantastic work.)
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  • Profile picture of the author Angela V. Edwards
    Thank you for your kind words, TKO.

    I mass submit sometimes and other times I don't. If I was trying to rank on page one of Google or something, though, I'd mass submit and also use my backlinks.

    Also, sometimes I send the people to a sales page and sometimes to my site. For my "Internet Safety" series, I sent them to my site that has a bunch of great internet safety information. That's because people who do searches for that are looking for some good, solid information on how to keep their kids safe.

    For my backlink article, I led them to a sales page. That's because the article gives some pretty solid information and then the sales page gives them the option to get some good backlinks for themselves.

    It kind of depends on the niche and what people might be looking for.
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    • Profile picture of the author Centimetro
      What I want to know is if the order matters? If you submit an article to multiple sites, does the site that had it first become the "authority" for that piece?

      I'm wondering specifically if there's a difference between submitting to ezine, then posting on my own property, and posting on my own site and then submitting to ezine.
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      • Profile picture of the author TKO
        Centimetro, why would you submit the same article on your site? Chances are that the article will get index first on the directory.

        When a visitor finds your article and presses on your links, he or she will get directed to your site with the same information. I don't know about others but i wouldn't waste my time reading the same article twice.
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        • Profile picture of the author Centimetro
          Originally Posted by TKO View Post

          Centimetro, why would you submit the same article on your site? Chances are that the article will get index first on the directory.

          When a visitor finds your article and presses on your links, he or she will get directed to your site with the same information. I don't know about others but i wouldn't waste my time reading the same article twice.
          thanks for the reply, but thats not what I'd be doing

          there will be many articles on my site; even if the same articles can be found on both, I will not be redirecting my visitors to the same article. If they found me through ezine, id most likely be directing them to a squeeze page or offer.

          what I'm referring to is what JayXtreme and others have advocated: posting articles to your own site first before sending them off to article directories. I'm just wondering if it makes any difference if you do it the other way around (ezine first, then your site).
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  • Profile picture of the author reddiep
    You can get these articles spun for pretty cheap. Human spinner dot come works pretty decently for this. If you want to avoid duplicate content, you should go this route.
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    • Profile picture of the author TKO
      Article spinners "in my opinion" are useless. I've tried a few and the results are terrible. The purpose of the articles are to try and engage the reader into pressing on your links.

      Some articles i've spun are terrible. The message or theme of the article is lost. CTR compared to natural articles is like chalk and cheese. I've tested this and until someone proves me wrong I'm staying away from spun articles.

      Re-writting articles is probably the way to go and worth the extra work.
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      • Profile picture of the author Jon Alexander
        Originally Posted by TKO View Post

        Article spinners "in my opinion" are useless. .
        it depends entirely what you use.

        for example, this is machine generated. Someone on this thread may be able to detect where it comes from :-). And the content seems normal to little old me.

        Most content rewriters take one of your articles and spin a number of variations of that one article using coded word and phrase replacements that you have recently put in. These take a bit of time to setup and though these sort of articles once worked fine with the search engines 2 years back, the search engines are getting cleverer and are getting good at finding modified articles.
        You see, the search engines use an algorithm that checks for patterns inside a technique which can identify if an article is a spun copy of another article already online. Because this system is powered by a database, you are able to add as many subjects to a selected project as you like, and add as many content blocks to these subjects as you wish.
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        • Profile picture of the author Allen Graves
          Jon,

          That's one of the "good" spinners out there. But the problem that article directory owners have with these is that people will submit this same information 10 times (because they spun it 10 times with the spinner).

          What then happens is that people who are looking through the articles find 3 or 4 of them in a row and realize that they are not having a good user experience, because it's the same stuff over and over again.

          I always use the example of the boy who found a bucket and the young man who discovered a pail.

          The user gets pissed, clicks away and probably never comes back again.

          That's not good for the article directory owners and it's certainly not good for that article directory's author base.

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        • Profile picture of the author AndyBlackSEO
          Originally Posted by Jon Alexander View Post

          it depends entirely what you use.

          for example, this is machine generated. Someone on this thread may be able to detect where it comes from :-). And the content seems normal to little old me.

          Most content rewriters take one of your articles and spin a number of variations of that one article using coded word and phrase replacements that you have recently put in. These take a bit of time to setup and though these sort of articles once worked fine with the search engines 2 years back, the search engines are getting cleverer and are getting good at finding modified articles.
          You see, the search engines use an algorithm that checks for patterns inside a technique which can identify if an article is a spun copy of another article already online. Because this system is powered by a database, you are able to add as many subjects to a selected project as you like, and add as many content blocks to these subjects as you wish.

          Hmmm... Lol. Well I couldn't really acuse you of plagiarism could I? :-)

          The thing is, the good thing with the tool you have done that in is that you need no time setting the tool up. Is that right? You just paste an article and click a button. That is the good part as most of those types do generate complete garbage that don't make sense. The problem that I see with that though still is the fact that the theme of the article is always going to be the same. The pattern is still there, although rewritten / spun.

          I guess it's down to how much time people can invest in a system and what works for them.

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    • Profile picture of the author Tirmizi
      well i'd say if you want quality traffic don't use spun articles. They aren't good quality though you end up savinig time and efforts. but you end up losing clients.

      If you want backlinks well there is not easier way to say it submit it to as many sites as you want to more the marrier. As far as getting sandbox ... well that is not for your content. but that happens for the site.

      You submitted on ezine and that article was the copyscape passed nowhere on the interent same info was available so you'll and ezine articles will get 100 % credit for the article and it would stay there and loved by google spiders.

      However, all the other sites will be punished for duplicate content, but it shouldn't worry you the reason you are submitting there is to get more links and not traffic ...

      if you want to submit at other sites here are a few you should try ;

      Ezine Article Submission - Submit Your Best Quality Original Articles For Massive Exposure, Ezine Publishers Get 25 Free Article Reprints
      Article Search Engine Directory: GoArticles.com
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      Free Articles Directory | Submit Articles - ArticlesBase.com

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    • Profile picture of the author AndyBlackSEO
      Originally Posted by reddiep View Post

      You can get these articles spun for pretty cheap. Human spinner dot come works pretty decently for this. If you want to avoid duplicate content, you should go this route.
      I have bought a couple of decent spinners. The automatic ones produce gibberish and the ones where you programme work well but aren't so good for the search engines anymore. The likes of Google are pretty good at looking for patterns within articles and can tell if an article is just a spun version of other ones out there. It will then devalue your backlinks or disregard them altogether.

      The tool I am launching shortly has been tweaked and updated and can create articles that are NOT respins of a complete article. The flow and theme of each article is completely different each time you create one, and every single sentence is also spun on the fly to produce an instant highly unique article.

      I'll have some new vids soon if anybody is interested.

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  • Profile picture of the author AndyBlackSEO
    At the end of the day, if you submit to Ezines, Article Alley, Articlebase, Goarticles etc you will gain traffic from them if your articles are good. If you are wanting to obtain more backlinks from other IP's or sites, then sure submit articles to them to BUT for backlinking purposes, submit unique articles. If you don't they will eventually fall into the supplemental index and your back links won't count for anything.

    What niche(s) are you in? PM me if you are wanting some info on how you can create loads of unique articles for back linking.

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  • Profile picture of the author 32paul52
    Many comments have been make about duplicate content- Google webmaster blog talks about it- main point as its content on YOUR site. What you get with your articleson other sites is lack of Authority- new content ranks and then fads because no links to it (EZA may be an exception to this)
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  • Profile picture of the author Allen Graves
    Andy, you are not allowed to call direct or blatant attention to your own products/services inside a Main Forum post like you did. Use the WSO Forum or Classifieds forum instead.

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    • Profile picture of the author AndyBlackSEO
      Originally Posted by Allen Graves View Post

      Andy, you are not allowed to call direct or blatant attention to your own products/services inside a Main Forum post like you did. Use the WSO Forum or Classifieds forum instead.

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      No problem Al. Understood. Thanks.
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  • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
    TKO,
    Sorry for the short reply before I was heading out the door.. But fact is you do not post to just EZA. I do not understand why many think EZA is the only article directory online but they are leaving massive money on the table with this mindset.

    Very effective method you can follow but bear in mind always test too.

    1. Submit your articles to your blog or website first, make sure they are pinged and added to your sitemap. If using wordpress with the plugin XML Sitemap Generator 3.1.2 then once you post it will notify yahoo, google, msn and ask.com + rebuild your sitemap.

    2. Wait a day or so, let the search engines pick it up. Then go to EZA and submit the article there, only modified some and especially modified for SEO.

    3. Then go to some of the other top sites ArticlsBase, ArticleDashboard, GoArticles, ArticleProductions. ArticleAlley (which you do have an account at), and post the article there. On each feel free to do some modifications, different summary, different title and etc..

    4. Now take your author RSS Feeds and submit those to RSS Directories, Also Bookmark your Articles, and while you are at it some bookmark sites also have RSS per account. So submit your accounts RSS to RSS Directories also.

    Now obviously I have left some things out of this but I do have a article marketing blueprint that I will be giving away to my members only for free when I finish and launch phase2 of my site ..

    James
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    • Profile picture of the author Allen Graves
      Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet View Post


      Now obviously I have left some things out of this but I do have a article marketing blueprint that I will be giving away to my members only for free when I finish and launch phase2 of my site ..

      James
      So am I allowed to come right back and say something like...James, you may have a blueprint coming, but I have a proven, time-tested, extremely successful and constantly updated blueprint that my members are using and it is increasing their CTRs by 50-250%. But I won't give that information away to anyone here because it's for my members only, they get it free. There's also something about this coming in the next launch phase of my website.

      NO!

      You guys, you can say what you do...and you can offer your expertise. But you never find me talking about something I'm giving to my members only or launching phases of my website! That's advertising.

      There is a huge difference there. And Mr. Says has set up special places for this, one being your sig file.

      Why won't you find me doing this.

      Now, I know, first hand, that this is probably not your intention, but the fact is that it can be taken that way. And if I am not allowed to do it, then I don't see how anyone else can be allowed to do it.

      PLEASE correct me if I am wrong because if I am, then I have been leaving a lot on the table...as have many others here. If this is allowed, then we're gonna have an open house!

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  • Profile picture of the author Allen Graves
    James, you are not allowed to call direct or blatant attention to your own products/services inside a Main Forum post like you did. Use the WSO Forum or Classifieds forum instead.

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    • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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      Originally Posted by Allen Graves View Post

      James, you are not allowed to call direct or blatant attention to your own products/services inside a Main Forum post like you did. Use the WSO Forum or Classifieds forum instead.

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      I always thought you could if the topic was already being discussed. I have seen many long time members doing the same thing.
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      • Profile picture of the author Allen Graves
        Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap View Post

        I always thought you could if the topic was already being discussed. I have seen many long time members doing the same thing.
        Thomas,

        That would mean that for every article marketing thread, you would have me replying that my members get that info for free. James would be doing the same thing. Waggers would reply that he has an ebook for sale that explains the answer, Dean, Tim, Gregg would all be responding with something they offer. Josh would have never left. Travis would be here all day long! Chris Knight would have sold way more $100/month memberships than he has so far.

        Right?

        AL

        p.s. this is speculation, of course. I cannot and do not speak for any of these other people.
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        • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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          Originally Posted by Allen Graves View Post

          Thomas,

          That would mean that for every article marketing thread, you would have me replying that my members get that info for free. James would be doing the same thing. Waggers would reply that he has an ebook for sale that explains the answer, Dean, Tim, Gregg would all be responding with something they offer. Josh would have never left. Travis would be here all day long! Chris Knight would have sold way more $100/month memberships than he has so far.

          Right?

          AL

          p.s. this is speculation, of course. I cannot and do not speak for any of these other people.

          Say what you want Al. Show me the rules that state you cannot talk about your services or products here when the topic comes up.

          Let's not be obtuse and realize that every conversation about article marketing will not be the same topic. There are many different topics within article marketing that wouldn't apply for each product.

          If you are talking about Josh Anderson than you will see he does do it when the topic of physical products comes up.

          Look at Big Mike, he points out his products when a question or plea for help arises that fits in with his line.

          There is nothing wrong with this. It is a marketing forum isn't it?

          I have seen it time after time and you can argue all you want about it.
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    • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
      Originally Posted by Allen Graves View Post

      James, you are not allowed to call direct or blatant attention to your own products/services inside a Main Forum post like you did. Use the WSO Forum or Classifieds forum instead.

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      Sorry Allen, was not on purpose I was just reminding him that he does have an account ...

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      • Profile picture of the author Allen Graves
        Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet View Post

        Sorry Allen, was not on purpose I was just reminding him that he does have an account ...

        James
        I understand.

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  • Profile picture of the author Angela V. Edwards
    Yeah, I thought that too Thomas. I'm sure that I've been guilty of doing the same thing.
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    • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
      Originally Posted by Angela V. Edwards View Post

      Yeah, I thought that too Thomas. I'm sure that I've been guilty of doing the same thing.
      Angela,
      Well here is a good point..

      1. If the OP ask about services that you offer, it's not like you are going to give information on someone elses site. It's not like I am going to say go join SubmitY***Articles.*** -- That would be pretty stupid to do and is counter productive especially when I feel the service if way over-priced.

      2. If you have actual knowledge on the subject, which I do and I proved that by my post, then it is not self promotion. What I posted is not a blatant advertisement but a simple and usable plan that does infact work. Yes the details are limited but who do you know is going to give away all information ......

      3. In my case I do have a WSO paid for and will be paying for another one. I do not have the WSO in my sig for this site mentioned and I certainly did not say "click on my WSO link".

      4. When we all get to the point that we can not even say what we do, what type of service we offer, what websites we own, and etc .. Then it kinda gets usless to try and help someone that ask for help. If someone posted I am looking for writers and I am a writer then I am going to point them someplace else ??? I do not think so, that is what you call poor marketing and I do not know of anyone that will do so.

      Would Allen point someone to my site because it offers a certain service instead of pointing to his own ?? No .. Would Glenn Leader point someone to my service instead of pointing to his own software ?? No ... And I would not expect them to do so either because they do infact offer somewhat of what I offer.

      That's my 2 cents on the matter... Bottom line it's not blatant advertising and it's not spam, it's called answering the OP's question and giving them a proper solution.

      James
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  • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
    Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap Say what you want Al. Show me the rules that state you cannot talk about your services or products here when the topic comes up.


    Let's not be obtuse and realize that every conversation about article marketing will not be the same topic. There are many different topics within article marketing that wouldn't apply for each product.

    If you are talking about Josh Anderson than you will see he does do it when the topic of physical products comes up.

    Look at Big Mike, he points out his products when a question or plea for help arises that fits in with his line.

    There is nothing wrong with this. It is a marketing forum isn't it?

    I have seen it time after time and you can argue all you want about it.
    Well, maybe this is a first.... Got to say though I agree 100%

    This is a marketing forum and if we can not discuss about our product or services then I think it's time we all get off this forum because the discussions are going to get pretty boring.

    I fully support this forum, any special event the forum has I pay for, I pay for many WSO's, I have paid for others WSO's to be posted...

    I also understand fully the difference between blatant advertisement and talking about a product that you own that does work and is proven to do what it claims to solve a problem someone may have.

    I will say it again, there is nobody that has a service or product that will help the OP that is going to tell an OP "Hey go to this person and that person, don't get my service or products but buy the other guys instead" - That would be downright "Stupid". Why not just take it even further and slap your competitors link in your signature file, because if you are going to be stupid might as well do it 100% and not half-ass it...

    Let's get real... There is a huge difference between spamming a forum and having a real discussion. I agree with Thomas, I see vet warriors such as Glenn (no Glenn I am not picking on you ..lol) that will post about Artifact on a thread about spinners. I see no problem with this at all, sure my website offers a spinner but it also offers a great deal more than just a spinner. Glenn offers software and I offer a membership site, why should it matter to me if he post about his product on a related thread... The fact is it does not bother me one bit, if he can get a sale from the OP then great for him. The fact is he did not blatnt advertise his product and he certainly did not spam the forum.

    There are a 100 diferent ways to do something and 100 diffeent ways to solve a problem and as such there are 100 different products or services that could help someone solve the same problem.

    I look at things differently than others and I keep a very open mind that thinks out-side-the-box... Hey I am not perfect and I could be wrong but if nobody can discuss about his or her product or service on a related thread then someone needs to postthe rules on this and tell some of those long time standing members.

    So am I allowed to come right back and say something like...James, you may have a blueprint coming, but I have a proven, time-tested, extremely successful and constantly updated blueprint that my members are using and it is increasing their CTRs by 50-250%. But I won't give that information away to anyone here because it's for my members only, they get it free. There's also something about this coming in the next launch phase of my website.
    Allen I see no problem with this at all, why should'nt you be allowed to post such on a related thread ?? The OP asked a question, I answered it and reminded him that he does have a membership account at my site. You are fully entitled to your opinion and why anyone would downgrade you or say something to you just for posting that you have a proven method that has worked for you is beyond me.

    Again there are 100 different ways to solve a problem... Maybe my blueprint is not what your blueprint is. It may be under the same topic (article marketing) but that does not mean they are about the same thing.

    Now I will tell the OP sorry, I was not trying to hijack your thread TKO ...

    James
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  • Profile picture of the author Allen Graves
    I can't believe this.

    So all this time I could have been pimping my stuff?

    I have a very hard time understanding this. This is a forum ABOUT marketing, not a forum to USE to market. It's here to help others, not to help yourself.

    At least, that's what I thought the whole spirit of the forum was about. I guess I was wrong.

    Again, you may be trying to help, but as soon as people realize that they can "advertise" their own stuff here, the whole place is going to turn into a madhouse.

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    • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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      Originally Posted by Allen Graves View Post

      I can't believe this.

      So all this time I could have been pimping my stuff?

      I have a very hard time understanding this. This is a forum ABOUT marketing, not a forum to USE to market. It's here to help others, not to help yourself.

      Again, you may be trying to help, but as soon as people realize that they can "advertise" their own stuff here, the whole place is going to turn into a madhouse.

      At least, that's what I thought the whole spirit of the forum was about. I guess I was wrong.

      AL
      There isn't a hard fast rule but it does need to go with common sense. If all you are doing in pimping your products than you won't last long here.

      I guess I don't understand your reasoning. If you have something that will help others than why not tell them if they ask? Please see the asking part. If someone isn't asking for help than pimping your products in every article marketing thread won't work either. Hence the common sense portion of my post.

      This has been going on since I have been here. It isn't any more of a madhouse now than it always was when I started posting.
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      • Profile picture of the author TKO
        Wow just returned to my thread and i can clearly see that its been hijacked.

        To be honest, if Warriors can offer me answers and solutions to my questions and problems, I don't mind the personal plug.

        I'm searching for answers so if you can provide these I'm more than happy to listen and even purchase.

        Having said that, I would prefer a chance to discuss and mastermind between warriors about the topic. Debates, discussions and testing can provide more answers than some ebook that has been written by one person.

        Allow the discussion to take place and if your product is suitable, by all means recommend. But allow some sort of discussion to take place because i want to hear different views, opinions and results.

        I totally agree with both sides of the argument.(talk about sitting on the fence, LOL)

        I'm not sure if personal plugs are allowed on this forum, but i see them everyday from experienced warriors. Doesn't bother me, but if you allow some warriors you have to let all warriors plug their product.

        If its allowed, Allen is right it needs to be regulated otherwise this forum will turn into clickbank.LOL
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        • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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          Originally Posted by TKO View Post

          Wow just returned to my thread and i can clearly see that its been hijacked.

          To be honest, if Warriors can offer me answers and solutions to my questions and problems, I don't mind the personal plug.

          I'm searching for answers so if you can provide these I'm more than happy to listen and even purchase.

          Having said that, I would prefer a chance to discuss and mastermind between warriors about the topic. Debates, discussions and testing can provide more answers than some ebook that has been written by one person.

          Allow the discussion to take place and if your product is suitable, by all means recommend. But allow some sort of discussion to take place because i want to hear different views, opinions and results.

          I totally agree with both sides of the argument.(talk about sitting on the fence, LOL)

          I'm not sure if personal plugs are allowed on this forum, but i see them everyday from experienced warriors. Doesn't bother me, but if you allow some warriors you have to let all warriors plug their product.

          If its allowed, Allen is right it needs to be regulated otherwise this forum will turn into clickbank.LOL
          If you want alternatives, then check Allen Graves sig. He is a warrior I and others here trust.
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          • Profile picture of the author TKO
            Gday Thomas,

            Already had a discussion with Allen and he has been a great help.

            Anyone else you would recommend?
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  • Profile picture of the author Louis Raven
    I used to see a long term member plugging his products all the time. Me being naive responded to a thread more or less asking for my product and of course plugged away.

    Yeah I got in trouble lol.

    The lesson learned is do what you think is acceptable and don't just follow what others do. This mixed with following the rules outlined will keep you from getting in trouble.

    I don't know how to plug a product and stay in line (even when it could really benefit the OP) so I don't even try lol.

    Instead I use my knowledge to plug this forum. On some subjects people will see I have knowledge and they usually check my sig which is a great equal benefit for me, the OP, and Allen (the boss).

    Louis

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