Quit Using Video for Sales!

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Okay, a video can be a great sales tool, but hey ... if that is the only content on your sales page, I don't have the time to sit through your story just to find out what your product is all about. Video should compliment the process, not BE the process.

So all you IMers out there that use strictly video sales pages, I will continue to leave your site without a second glance. Maybe someone likes sitting through those, not me.
#quit #sales #video
  • Profile picture of the author polarisgold
    I agree completely!!
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  • Profile picture of the author grover69
    I'm in agreement here. I get why video is so compelling, but I end up bookmarking various video sales pages so I can watch them on the weekend because I just don't have time to sit through them during my working week. I would love to see actual text on some of these sites.
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  • Profile picture of the author kimkitch
    I agree, each visitor should be given the option to watch the video or read what you are promoting. Taking away the choice can potentially lose a lot of sales.

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  • Profile picture of the author JamesGw
    I tend to drop vendors that use only sales videos. Especially ones that you cannot pause / fast forward / rewind / skip.
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    • Profile picture of the author Aaron Siegel
      Amen to all of you. Makes perfect marketing sense to me to put both content and video into action. After reading some content I more than likely will watch the video if I realize it's for me.
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  • Profile picture of the author blillard
    Im weird, I would still rather have a long sales page because I love reading. I look at video as a plus that I never sit through I listen to more than watch it because Im reading the sale page lol.
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    • Profile picture of the author Aaron Siegel
      Originally Posted by blillard View Post

      Im weird, I would still rather have a long sales page because I love reading. I look at video as a plus that I never sit through I listen to more than watch it because Im reading the sale page lol.
      I think many are guilty of that. Call us weird
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      • Profile picture of the author Michael D Forbes
        For me video only isn't so much the issue.. it's the videos without controls that make you sit to the end to move to the next page.

        Ok, that's not so much a problem if it's a couple of minutes.. but a 5-20 minute pitch??? Has anyone EVER sat through one of those just to find out the product is horribly overpriced?

        The kicker... you don't KNOW if it's one minute or twenty.

        I'm assuming many of those marketers have tested and found their process to work, but I can't imagine that these convert very well.

        Could be very wrong, I'll have to try one some time. I'm a fan of giving the customer the option to watch, read, listen, all, some or none!
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        • Profile picture of the author Aaron Siegel
          Originally Posted by Micheal D Forbes View Post

          For me video only isn't so much the issue.. it's the videos without controls that make you sit to the end to move to the next page.

          Ok, that's not so much a problem if it's a couple of minutes.. but a 5-20 minute pitch??? Has anyone EVER sat through one of those just to find out the product is horribly overpriced?

          The kicker... you don't KNOW if it's one minute or twenty.

          I'm assuming many of those marketers have tested and found their process to work, but I can't imagine that these convert very well.

          Could be very wrong, I'll have to try one some time. I'm a fan of giving the customer the option to watch, read, listen, all, some or none!
          Hey Michael, you already knew I didn't like video Yes though, right on the money. I have had one last for about 20 minutes before I realized I already didn't want the product.

          By the way Michael, nothing against your video at all, ha ha ha. I can handle your videos anytime. Congratulations on your new WSO hit.
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  • Profile picture of the author LarryC
    Yes, and to make matters worse, many marketers now use the kind of sophisticated videos that are hard to pause or move forward. Videos are, and will probably always be a central part of marketing but the novelty factor has worn off, so before I watch a video I at least want to be sure it's on a topic I have some interest in.
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  • Profile picture of the author Aaron Siegel
    The real kicker for me is when they don't have the pause, rewind, or forward button as JamesDW mentioned but ... they don't even put a contact form to maybe perhaps send the video link to watch later where they could market from still? I don't see the benefit, I really don't.
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    • Profile picture of the author J Bold
      Originally Posted by Aaron Siegel View Post

      The real kicker for me is when they don't have the pause, rewind, or forward button as JamesDW mentioned but ... they don't even put a contact form to maybe perhaps send the video link to watch later where they could market from still? I don't see the benefit, I really don't.
      It's because you're not the their target customer. They want you to be captivated, not be able to sit there and skip ahead and not let them work their sales magic on you to slowly take you along to the sale.
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  • Profile picture of the author svensky
    Those are great points you all make!
    I have a video testimonial half way down my page, but it is mostly focused around text info. From what I've read here, I think I will just scrap the video completely, as I hardly watch videos on other peoples offer pages as well.
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  • Profile picture of the author Chri5123
    Originally Posted by Aaron Siegel View Post

    Okay, a video can be a great sales tool, but hey ... if that is the only content on your sales page, I don't have the time to sit through your story just to find out what your product is all about. Video should compliment the process, not BE the process.

    So all you IMers out there that use strictly video sales pages, I will continue to leave your site without a second glance. Maybe someone likes sitting through those, not me.
    You are spot on IMO,

    Think they DO work well but it would be nice to have a link saying "Haven't got time to watch a video - click here" - you could even modify the copy for someone in a rush:

    "OK, so you haven't got time to listen to my life story!"

    No problem let me get to the main points and tell you WHY this product works:

    * My product will help you skip long sales videos

    * No more having to wait until the end of a long story to find out what I am talking about.

    etc...

    Chris
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    • Profile picture of the author Alminc
      I hate those long videos without controls. They are all too long,
      very BAD and follow same old boring and stupid sales letter formula.

      ... But the price is not $9999.95

      ... It's not even $6999.95

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      ...It's not even $2999.95
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      ....It's ONLY $999.95
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      for a very limited time
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      you are going to pay ONLY
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      $497! (WOW!)
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      I'm not only leaving those pages immediately, I'm unsubscribing
      from everyone who sends me to such page!


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  • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
    Originally Posted by Aaron Siegel View Post

    Maybe someone likes sitting through those, not me.
    If you can't be arsed to watch my video, you must not want my product.

    So don't buy it. Problem solved. Off you go, then.
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    • Profile picture of the author Aaron Siegel
      Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

      If you can't be arsed to watch my video, you must not want my product.

      So don't buy it. Problem solved. Off you go, then.
      Of course, but it can get annoying when the tactic starts becoming a constant. I know I'm wasting time here right just now by holding this conversation on my valuable time being wasted with video, well actually not. Gets my brain juices flowing venting Engaging our community is good too.
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      • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
        Originally Posted by Aaron Siegel View Post

        it can get annoying when the tactic starts becoming a constant.
        The tactic you are actually complaining about has nothing to do with video.

        They didn't make you want it. They cornered you and shoved a video down your throat as the only way you could get anything at all.

        Instead, they needed to make you want to watch that video. You needed to get there, race to hit play, and sit there on the edge of your seat until the buy button appeared so you could click it.

        If they didn't do that, they're crappy salespeople, but it's not the video's fault. It's theirs.
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        • Profile picture of the author Aaron Siegel
          Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

          The tactic you are actually complaining about has nothing to do with video.

          They didn't make you want it. They cornered you and shoved a video down your throat as the only way you could get anything at all.

          Instead, they needed to make you want to watch that video. You needed to get there, race to hit play, and sit there on the edge of your seat until the buy button appeared so you could click it.

          If they didn't do that, they're crappy salespeople, but it's not the video's fault. It's theirs.
          Indeed. I used some "salesmanship" to make my post a discussion that would not just be buried. The title would infuriate even me
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    • Profile picture of the author Tina Golden
      Originally Posted by svensky View Post

      Those are great points you all make!
      I have a video testimonial half way down my page, but it is mostly focused around text info. From what I've read here, I think I will just scrap the video completely, as I hardly watch videos on other peoples offer pages as well.
      Don't make any decision based on a random sampling of opinions from maybe 10 people! Just don't do it.

      These guys are talking about sales videos being the only option on a page, not a testimonial video - there's a huge difference there. Testimonial videos are very often much more effective than text videos. The average person will believe in a video's veracity much more so than a text version.

      My opinion - do not get rid of the video. However, you should probably split test to see which works better for sure.
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      • Profile picture of the author Aaron Siegel
        Originally Posted by Tina Golden View Post

        Don't make any decision based on a random sampling of opinions from maybe 10 people! Just don't do it.

        These guys are talking about sales videos being the only option on a page, not a testimonial video - there's a huge difference there. Testimonial videos are very often much more effective than text videos. The average person will believe in a video's veracity much more so than a text version.

        My opinion - do not get rid of the video. However, you should probably split test to see which works better for sure.
        Yes Tina, exactly.
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  • Profile picture of the author Aaron Siegel
    Originally Posted by Chris Kent View Post

    I hate video too but it doesn't matter. Video, done well, is a very efficient convertor. Those using video are no doubt earning more than they did without it.

    Give them one good reason to stop using video? Because you and I don't like it is not a good reason.
    I am saying though, add content too. Video is an excellent sales and marketing tool, but don't try to force everyone to go strictly by video because they wont.
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    • Profile picture of the author Aaron Siegel
      Originally Posted by Chris Kent View Post

      Content will distract the viewer of the video. Why lower conversions in an attempt to please everyone?
      I personally just think if you market to the IM community via this method, which to date seems to be the only product being marketed via this method, perhaps this thread is of use gauging some possible conversions going down the drain , wouldn't you agree?
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      • Profile picture of the author Aaron Siegel
        Originally Posted by Chris Kent View Post

        I honestly don't think this thread will revolutionise anything.
        "The greatest revolution of our generation is the discovery that human beings, by changing the inner attitudes of their minds, can change the outer aspects of their lives" - William James
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  • Profile picture of the author Ephrils
    I will typically click away from video only sales pages. Not interested, I got stuff to do too.

    If I can read it, I can read it at my own pace.
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  • Profile picture of the author caseyfriday
    Yeah, videos get quite annoying at times, but on the other hand, they can be very convincing. I think they do a better job of convincing non IM'ers than traditional IM'ers.
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  • Profile picture of the author lisakleinweber
    me too. I can read a lot faster than any video can play and I want to know NOW what this is about - not in 5 minutes when you get around to telling me. I always click off when there is just a video.
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  • Profile picture of the author Peter May
    Just cause you don't like them doesn't meen they don't work (i hate them too) but think about it they are engineered to firstly appeal to those who do like them THEN when you exit you are offered a sales page at a discount that you may prefer.That way both avenues are covered.(and also exit popup x5 just encase )

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  • Profile picture of the author Ettienne
    Originally Posted by Aaron Siegel View Post

    Okay, a video can be a great sales tool, but hey ... if that is the only content on your sales page, I don't have the time to sit through your story just to find out what your product is all about. Video should compliment the process, not BE the process.

    So all you IMers out there that use strictly video sales pages, I will continue to leave your site without a second glance. Maybe someone likes sitting through those, not me.
    I agree, just yesterday I was REALLY interested in a product (only a video with no links) and everything sounded great.

    "This is just a short video to... blah blaah.. blah... blah..."

    After about 10 minutes with no end in sight I had to give up as time is money for us as you know. Good point Aaron, listen to him guys, that video from yesterday probably lost the guy $200+ dollars from the sound of the program
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  • Profile picture of the author professorrosado
    Originally Posted by Joe.Mc View Post

    Totally agree, it really doesn't help when the person presenting the video has the charisma of a tree stump!

    If only one could sit on the monitor! Maybe read the daily!
    joe - that was funny!
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  • Profile picture of the author 3bagsfull
    I left a video presentation from Ryan Deiss yesterday because

    1. there were no controls
    2. It was mega mega mega long and because I couldn't pause it or rewind my only choice was to stop and walk away
    3. I am not going to watch it again because I have to start all over from the beginning
    4. There was no text for me to review or read

    You need a hybrid -- especially if it is long
    You can NOT assume someone can listen to it because it may disturb the people around you
    Let me know some info and then I might watch it
    Let me know how much time it is going to take and how much time is ticking by

    I think they have so many tricks that they "trick" themselves out of their audience or at least some of the audience
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  • Profile picture of the author helisell
    Originally Posted by Chris Kent View Post

    I hate video too but it doesn't matter. Video, done well, is a very efficient convertor. Those using video are no doubt earning more than they did without it.

    Give them one good reason to stop using video? Because you and I don't like it is not a good reason.
    Well said Chris,

    Only took me the first three years of online marketing to learn that MY opinion
    is worthless.....and so is everyone elses......ONLY the customers get to
    tell me what to do these days.

    They are my greatest marketing tool....d'ya know what....they actually VOTE
    for what they like best.....by hitting the buy button.

    So far THEY like video best....so...until they change their minds.....video stays.

    How many of the people saying that THEY don't like video...have actually split test to validate their own personal opinions I wonder?

    If you are not split testing with and or without video...how can your opinion be valid?

    Seriously folks, personal opinions are NOT the way to run a business.
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    • Profile picture of the author Aaron Siegel
      Originally Posted by helisell View Post

      Well said Chris,

      Only took me the first three years of online marketing to learn that MY opinion
      is worthless.....and so is everyone elses......ONLY the customers get to
      tell me what to do these days.

      They are my greatest marketing tool....d'ya know what....they actually VOTE
      for what they like best.....by hitting the buy button.

      So far THEY like video best....so...until they change their minds.....video stays.

      How many of the people saying that THEY don't like video...have actually split test to validate their own personal opinions I wonder?

      If you are not split testing with and or without video...how can your opinion be valid?

      Seriously folks, personal opinions are NOT the way to run a business.
      Well if your selling to Internet marketers, we all are such right here. I would have to say, my opinion DOES matter. If not, well then ... your consumer market has spoken and congratulations!

      I'm not putting this up as a discussion of the fact if it works or not. I was ranting about my distaste towards the tactic of video only sales pages, and it looks like I'm not alone on the subject.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rough Outline
    It's horses for courses but I think every niche massively benefits from using video sales letters, whilst a small amount of niches will benefit even more from a combination of video sales letter and written copy.
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  • Profile picture of the author ksmusselman
    Originally Posted by Aaron Siegel View Post

    Okay, a video can be a great sales tool, but hey ... if that is the only content on your sales page, I don't have the time to sit through your story just to find out what your product is all about. Video should compliment the process, not BE the process.
    I have to agree here 100%.

    Originally Posted by Aaron Siegel View Post

    So all you IMers out there that use strictly video sales pages, I will continue to leave your site without a second glance. Maybe someone likes sitting through those, not me.

    Well... I am a self-admitted video JUNKIE (yeah, you send me an email with a link to a video, I will probably watch it and I prefer video blogs, video instruction and well, videos LOL).

    But I would prefer that video sales pages have the controls so I can pause it if I need to. If it doesn't have the controls, I'll either bookmark the site so I can come back to it, or I'll launch good old Audacity and record it so I can listen to it later at my leisure and have my own controls.
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  • Profile picture of the author SteveDolan
    My 10c - If the only thing on the sales page is a video with no controls, I'll just skip it AND then unsubscribe. If you don't have the courtesy to value my time, I'm not going to give you any of my money. I'm not going to sit through 20 - 70 mins of a presentation for something that I may not be interested in.
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  • Profile picture of the author helisell
    Maybe it's time to tell all those TV executives who sell gazillions of product with videos that they should stop right now......and fill the screen with words.......I think they may laugh.....all the way to the bank.

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    • Profile picture of the author ksmusselman
      Originally Posted by helisell View Post

      Maybe it's time to tell all those TV executives who sell gazillions of product with videos that they should stop right now......and fill the screen with words.......I think they may laugh.....all the way to the bank.

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      Which is why I'm having a "video commercial" made for one of my websites right now.

      Video sales pages are simply online commercials. In fact, some of the video sales pages I've come across lately would do really well as late-night infomercials! And there are some mega corporations who have been into video marketing via YouTube, Pogo.com, Amazon.com, etc. simply by having the same commercials on TV "air" online as video ads.

      I feel the same about videos as I do about commercials. Don't like them, "change the channel." I think there will be enough non-IM people landing on those sites that will sit through the entire written wordless video-only ad page, (me being one of them ROFLMAO), no matter how long the video is, that those who skip town when they see there are no words to read won't really matter much to the video marketer. They won't lose any sleep or money over it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Aaron Siegel
      Originally Posted by helisell View Post

      Maybe it's time to tell all those TV executives who sell gazillions of product with videos that they should stop right now......and fill the screen with words.......I think they may laugh.....all the way to the bank.

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      Television is expected for such. The Internet is a combination of many factors. Relying on one entirely is never a good idea in my logic. Results are results though, that's fine. Just don't expect any results from me, but then I probably am not your market anyways.
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  • Profile picture of the author DaveDempsey
    This is a great point! I have left many a page due to the same reason.

    I want to find out quickly what it does then investigate further if I am interested. Not spend ages watching a video to find out I already have something similar or it is just not needed.
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  • Profile picture of the author JustFelix
    If you're a internet marketer yourself than of course a video sale won't interest you because you know all the tricks already that they're implanting so it's a major waste of your time. It's even a waste of my time, but the video sale are and should be made for newbies and people that don't use the internet to make money.

    Video sale are good for weight loss kind of product and a video sale is a must to make more money, but making Video sale for the best spinner kind of product is a waste of time because that product will only target to money makers.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rus Sells
    Many replies in this thread are based on personal preference and opinions and that great. But they are not based at all in fact.

    Plenty of research and testing has been done by marketers far ahead many of us and the proof is that video sales letters WORK! Period! Otherwise they would never use them, ever.

    There are several types of video sales letters, hybrids, etc. Each are designed for different types of traffic.

    The thing about having no controls on the video is all about CONTROLLING the sales process.

    I'm going to be implementing various different video sales letters myself in the near future because the math proves that they convert better, period.
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  • Profile picture of the author ChrisWilliams
    Totally agree with you on that one. I don't have the time to watch a video on the product. I prefer bullet points that list the benefits. I only by products based on the benefits.
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  • Profile picture of the author Online Bliss
    Keep it Short and to the POINT.
    Not including a pause or some form of control
    is just plain Rude.

    I forgot, I do have some control.
    I can just leave your page. :rolleyes:
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  • Profile picture of the author Rus Sells
    I don't get it, this is like completely idiotic! You make your marketing decisions based on personal opinion and preference and snuff your noses at the facts.

    This reminds of some dude on a thread that was about Facebook and other companies letting their users determine which ads they liked and which ads they preferred not to see while on their sites. The WF member was like that is totally stupid to let your visitors decide what ads to see, I make my visitors see the ads I WANT bla bla bla.

    All I could say in return was, when you start making multiple millions upon millions with your online marketing I'll be more inclined to listen to your opinion. Same goes for this thread.

    This is just a rant thread anyways so no one is hear to listen to reason or facts.
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    • Profile picture of the author Aaron Siegel
      Originally Posted by Rus Sells View Post

      I don't get it, this is like completely idiotic! You make your marketing decisions based on personal opinion and preference and snuff your noses at the facts.

      This reminds of some dude on a thread that was about Facebook and other companies letting their users determine which ads they liked and which ads they preferred not to see while on their sites. The WF member was like that is totally stupid to let your visitors decide what ads to see, I make my visitors see the ads I WANT bla bla bla.

      All I could say in return was, when you start making multiple millions upon millions with your online marketing I'll be more inclined to listen to your opinion. Same goes for this thread.

      This is just a rant thread anyways so no one is hear to listen to reason or facts.
      Exactly, it's a rant. I still want to clarify, video is indeed an excellent method for sales conversions and marketing messages. Actually allows the littler guys to compete within a popular media medium.

      I just don't like the one method of it's deployment. I know this ... the thread title is pretty menacing, I like it that way As it's been pointed out, the newbie marketers are the ones more than likely willing to sit through a 10 minute plus video with no additional materials to feed off of (if it fits the demographic).
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      • Profile picture of the author robbiestone
        Agreed

        I saw the Ryan Deiss video thats around at the moment, goes on and on and on to the point i closed it and continued what i was doing

        He lost out on a customer there, same as other guru's in the past

        videos you cant skip to a certain place
        read the audio as text if you dont want to watch the video

        They are just two points, if i click away and ive got very good patience, they are most likely loosing alot of clients
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  • Profile picture of the author Pinkysoll
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    Video is surely a great tool for marketing and for some it's easier to watch a short sales video than read through long sales pages.

    I get that there should be some text too in addition to the video content because all prospects aren't surfing with the same mindset.

    However, using short catchy sales videos that could link to another sales video linking to your site or to your bonus page is another way to do it effectively.

    I can imagine some people won't sit through a long sales video that begins with over 10mins of your life story with images of your old car compared to your new car....
    Get to the point already! Having some text on the page at least will help the prospect know on time if they're interested in buying the product you're selling.

    That being said, don't begrudge others, video does work and is still working and I can say for a fact that I'm enjoying video marketing cos it's so cool and I also get to help people who are scared to try it out for themselves
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  • Profile picture of the author BrianMcLeod
    Quit using video for sales?

    Seriously?

    Um... No.

    Self-indulgent, poorly conceived rants like this are DANGEROUSLY wrong-headed in a forum presumably full of people wanting to learn how to become better at profitable Internet marketing.

    It's just flat out BAD ADVICE...

    As per your request under your avatar, consider yourself kicked.

    Nothing personal, buddy. You're making a very, very, VERY common mistake.

    Do you know what it is?

    It's been mentioned several times in this thread....

    Best,

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    • Profile picture of the author Aaron Siegel
      Originally Posted by BrianMcLeod View Post

      Quit using video for sales?

      Seriously?

      Um... No.

      Self-indulgent, poorly conceived rants like this are DANGEROUSLY wrong-headed in a forum presumably full of people wanting to learn how to become better at profitable Internet marketing.

      It's just flat out BAD ADVICE...

      As per your request under your avatar, consider yourself kicked.

      Nothing personal, buddy. You're making a very, very, VERY common mistake.

      Do you know what it is?

      It's been mentioned several times in this thread....

      Best,

      Brian McLeod
      Ouch, my poor newb butt! I used the title to draw you in, but if you read a little more carefully at the actual post, it's they way it is being used, not the video concept itself.
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    • Profile picture of the author Black Hat Cat
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      Originally Posted by BrianMcLeod View Post

      Quit using video for sales?

      Seriously?

      Um... No.

      Self-indulgent, poorly conceived rants like this are DANGEROUSLY wrong-headed in a forum presumably full of people wanting to learn how to become better at profitable Internet marketing.

      It's just flat out BAD ADVICE...

      As per your request under your avatar, consider yourself kicked.

      Nothing personal, buddy. You're making a very, very, VERY common mistake.

      Do you know what it is?

      It's been mentioned several times in this thread....

      Best,

      Brian McLeod
      You made a common mistake as well....as in not actually reading the post you're responding to.

      Meanwhile, if you need a 30-45-60 minute video to sell your product, your product probably sucks.
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  • Profile picture of the author Trivum
    I trust testing, not ranting.
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  • Profile picture of the author imdomination
    Videos for sales CAN work well, but I personally won't sit through one either. I'll use them to promote products, but I don't watch them myself. If the whole sales page is a video, well you've lost your sale. Especially if there's no way to skip it.

    I also probably won't buy your product if it's not in a readable format. I don't have time to watch you speak for 4 hours, but I can read the same content in 30 minutes no problem.
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  • Profile picture of the author Josh Anderson
    I am a video technology provider... and our technology can be used to do those annoying force you to watch it style videos...

    Personally I refuse to sit through anything like that, immediately turn them off, and leave without buying every time. I prefer to be able to skim a video, see the order form right off the bat, read some etc.

    However, no matter how much I personally can't stand a no control video only sales process... the decision on whether to use it or not should be based on testing.

    I also hate those force you to stay on a site when you try and leave windows warning popups...

    But I finally saw one used in a way that made total sense...

    I clicked a link and landed on a video only no controls video sales page... as normal I immediately tried to leave the site only to be trapped by a windows warning "are you sure you want to leave this page?" exit popup which had redirected me to a full long copy text version of the sales page as an alternative to the video only version!

    Although both the video only with no controlls and the exit pop trap that keeps you on a site you are trying to leave both bother me... this was brilliant!

    It was also the first time I saw them used in a smart well executed way that actually reduces offense to website visitors.

    Hopefully forum readers notice my response and think beyond their predispositions enough to recognize the gold I just shared :-)
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    • Profile picture of the author Aaron Siegel
      Originally Posted by Josh Anderson View Post

      I am a video technology provider... and our technology can be used to do those annoying force you to watch it style videos...

      Personally I refuse to sit through anything like that, immediately turn them off, and leave without buying every time. I prefer to be able to skim a video, see the order form right off the bat, read some etc.

      However, no matter how much I personally can't stand a no control video only sales process... the decision on whether to use it or not should be based on testing.

      I also hate those force you to stay on a site when you try and leave windows warning popups...

      But I finally saw one used in a way that made total sense...

      I clicked a link and landed on a video only no controls video sales page... as normal I immediately tried to leave the site only to be trapped by a windows warning "are you sure you want to leave this page?" exit popup which had redirected me to a full long copy text version of the sales page as an alternative to the video only version!

      Although both the video only with no controlls and the exit pop trap that keeps you on a site you are trying to leave both bother me... this was brilliant!

      It was also the first time I saw them used in a smart well executed way that actually reduces offense to website visitors.

      Hopefully forum readers notice my response and think beyond their predispositions enough to recognize the gold I just shared :-)
      Looks like gold to me!
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  • Profile picture of the author Aaron Siegel
    Originally Posted by Craig Desorcy View Post

    Rants are a waste of time and just pigeonhole you into an even more
    limited mindset.

    Good luck with that.

    Craig

    P.S. For anyone reading this thread and are just starting out, use video and
    see the results for yourself.
    Yes use video, video is the revolution, I just beg of you please let it not annoy some of us marketers that would normally have LOVED to buy your products.
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    • Profile picture of the author Black Hat Cat
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      Originally Posted by Aaron Siegel View Post

      Yes use video, video is the revolution, I just beg of you please let it not annoy some of us marketers that would normally have LOVED to buy your products.
      Dude, yer crazy. Everyone knows the way to make the most sales is to alienate half your potential customers right from the get go.
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      • Profile picture of the author Rashell
        So I was reading through the thread with comments such as...

        Originally Posted by Rus Sells View Post

        The thing about having no controls on the video is all about CONTROLLING the sales process.
        Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

        If you can't be arsed to watch my video, you must not want my product.

        So don't buy it. Problem solved. Off you go, then.
        and just had a thought. Mind you it's just a thought but... what if...

        those videos are supposed to annoy you-- the "PRO"-Marketer.

        What if the "technique" of using some long drawn out no controls video is
        meant to weed out the more keen experienced marketer and leave
        the less experienced desperate newbie who can be led like sheep to the
        slaughter.

        So those of you who don't have the time to be bothered with 10 minutes
        of "my before and after" leave, never buy the product and never give the
        "that was crap" reviews.

        You disqualified yourself and all the marketer had to do was figure
        out how to make sure you didn't stick around.


        In contrast what kind of personality/buyer would stick around to the very
        end?

        Originally Posted by Ettienne View Post

        I agree, just yesterday I was REALLY interested
        in a product (only a video with no links) and everything sounded great.

        "This is just a short video to... blah blaah.. blah... blah..."

        After about 10 minutes with no end in sight I had to give up as time is
        money for us as you know. Good point Aaron, listen to him guys, that
        video from yesterday probably lost the guy $200+ dollars from the sound
        of the program
        It either "lost the guy $200+" or a refund & customer service hassles. Not
        knowing what his back end sales funnel looks like we can't possibly know
        if it was worth it for him to lose that meager $200 (avoiding additional
        customer service costs) for the potential of a long term happy "no refunder"
        sheep.

        Perhaps I've just become suspicious and cynical.

        Thoughts?

        Rashell
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  • Profile picture of the author gorufus
    Maybe the reason why you hate video is because as a marketer buying marketing products you are tired of being marketed to. Maybe it's the same reason you bought a DVR (to skip the commercials and get back to the program). Perhaps if people using video marketing stepped up their game and had a Michael Bay or a J.J. Abrams production maybe it would keep every ones attention. Can someone add an explosion? Maybe a fight between two robot aliens in the middle of the video sales letter?

    All kidding aside, people are different in the way they consume information. If all else fails for you, download the video using the firefox plugin flash downloader or download helper, scrub to the end where they give you the price and then you can decide whether or not you want to buy the product.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Maffei
    Absolutely agreed (concerning original topic), particularly when there's not even a bypass link. Back button... here we come!
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