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Hi all,

I sold stuff on eBay in 2006. Didn't really use it to sell anything after. Recently decided to come back to eBay and there seems to be a lot of people saying dramatic decreases in traffic on the website.

Is this true?

If people aren't using eBay anymore...what are they using?

Cheers,
#dying #ebay
  • Profile picture of the author Mike Baker
    From what I see as a casual seller there, there is no loss of traffic. If there is, it is only minor. Another reason being that there are now many other places to shop other than eBay like there was back in '06.
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    • Profile picture of the author KevinA
      These days I find myself purchasig from coupon type sites (such as scoopon.com.au and it's alternatives) more frequently than I purchase from eBay. Probably because they are one off deals that are sent directly to my inbox.

      Having said that I know a couple of eBay merchants personally, and as far as they are concerned business is still booming.
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    • Profile picture of the author kindsvater
      It of course depends on what you are selling.

      But eBay is facing stiffer competition. Amazon continues to greatly expand the products it sells and who can offer a product. Etsy targets a niche that would otherwise almost default to eBay.

      And for years eBay has, frankly, been a jerk (about as polite as I can put it) when dealing with sellers and pricing, limiting PayPal accounts, and implementing one of the worst affiliate programs.

      As for traffic, after the Panda update in Google earlier this year I don't think there is any question that eBay greatly benefited, and as a result many eBay listings are getting more traffic.

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      • Profile picture of the author cofton25
        I think Ebay is slowly killing itself, I know many, including myself who used to be a Powerseller (pretty much worthless brag these days lol) that no longer sell as many items these days. This is primarily due to there being too many people happy to make very little profit, full time sellers find it more difficult as profit margins need to be higher now due to all the fees involved. Now we have a listing fee, a selling fee, a Paypal fee..... all these charges mean we need a fair profit margin to make it worthwhile.
        Plus Ebay really only look after buyers and don't really give a sh*t about sellers. Since their merge with Paypal (biggest crooks on the internet in my humble opinion) both companies focus on buyers safety and not sellers safety, when in reality the sellers are their income.
        They now insist that you have a Paypal account/offer Paypal to join Ebay, how can any company be allowed to dictate to you how you pay your hard earned cash and how you receive it. Added to the fact the 'small print' in Paypal's terms and conditions make it almost a farce.... they simply would not get away with it in the physical world because they can just freeze your account and hold onto your cash for any reason they see fit. And sometimes for 90 days + Ridiculous !
        Buyers and sellers are finding other avenues and if they continue the way they are then they will slowly burn, while they are behaving like they are it just gives other people new opportunities, there are alternatives, granted not as high traffic but there are alternatives. Most people now research products and prices on Ebay and then buy elsewhere, that's because we are getting more internet savvy these days.
        Also consider that Ebay is still one of the richest businesses on the planet yet they don't even police their own site, they rely on its members to report any dodgy dealings or illegal listings, if the members didn't report these instances then everyone could sell anything. Plus their fees are increasing yearly even though they are supposedly more profitable. Not exactly a 'give something back to the people' type business model is it ?
        And lastly, for reference take a visit to PayPal Alternative - Pay Pal Lawsuits, PayPal Complaints & Fraud you won't believe what you are reading.
        There's more but I will now get off my soapbox lol
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        • the more people that honestly think eBay is dying ...the more people the smart marketers on ebay will make a killing as fellow marketers start dropping out with all the ebay stuff which is annoying yes...but being prepared and adapting...you will make even more money
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          • Originally Posted by Online Business Mentor View Post

            the more people that honestly think eBay is dying ...the more people the smart marketers on ebay will make a killing as fellow marketers start dropping out with all the ebay stuff which is annoying yes...but being prepared and adapting...you will make even more money
            That might be true of eBay UK, but remember eBay.com (U.S.) is what everyone thinks of when someone says "eBay".

            I know some of the biggest sellers on eBay. Most have left or greatly reduced their presence due to eBay's punitive rules and fees. For many of them it's actually more profitable to concentrate on Amazon.

            At the end of the day you have to go where the buyers who make you money are.

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        • Profile picture of the author hardraysnight
          Originally Posted by cofton25 View Post

          I think Ebay is slowly killing itself, I know many, including myself who used to be a Powerseller (pretty much worthless brag these days lol) that no longer sell as many items these days. This is primarily due to there being too many people happy to make very little profit, full time sellers find it more difficult as profit margins need to be higher now due to all the fees involved. Now we have a listing fee, a selling fee, a Paypal fee..... all these charges mean we need a fair profit margin to make it worthwhile.
          Plus Ebay really only look after buyers and don't really give a sh*t about sellers. Since their merge with Paypal (biggest crooks on the internet in my humble opinion) both companies focus on buyers safety and not sellers safety, when in reality the sellers are their income.
          They now insist that you have a Paypal account/offer Paypal to join Ebay, how can any company be allowed to dictate to you how you pay your hard earned cash and how you receive it. Added to the fact the 'small print' in Paypal's terms and conditions make it almost a farce.... they simply would not get away with it in the physical world because they can just freeze your account and hold onto your cash for any reason they see fit. And sometimes for 90 days + Ridiculous !
          Buyers and sellers are finding other avenues and if they continue the way they are then they will slowly burn, while they are behaving like they are it just gives other people new opportunities, there are alternatives, granted not as high traffic but there are alternatives. Most people now research products and prices on Ebay and then buy elsewhere, that's because we are getting more internet savvy these days.
          Also consider that Ebay is still one of the richest businesses on the planet yet they don't even police their own site, they rely on its members to report any dodgy dealings or illegal listings, if the members didn't report these instances then everyone could sell anything. Plus their fees are increasing yearly even though they are supposedly more profitable. Not exactly a 'give something back to the people' type business model is it ?
          And lastly, for reference take a visit to PayPal Alternative - Pay Pal Lawsuits, PayPal Complaints & Fraud you won't believe what you are reading.
          There's more but I will now get off my soapbox lol
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          • Profile picture of the author cofton25
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            And they will not let me sell my vinyl Beatle bootlegs

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  • Profile picture of the author asc
    There are many seek and sell style pages on facebook now, certainly for my area. When i first saw them i thought 'this will kill ebay'. I dont think that as much now, but these pages are extremely busy with people buying, swapping and giving stuff away so it may well have an impact on ebay. But it is a big company...

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  • Profile picture of the author CoffeeIceCream
    I agree with cofton25.

    Ebay used to be a great place to sell back in the day, but with all the policy changes and fee increases, it's more of a hassle to sell there now. I have had more success selling on my personal blog and announcing it on Twitter and Facebook than I have had with eBay. It's easy to sell on your own website with PayPal.

    I also agree that eBay only cares about the buyers at the expense of the sellers. I still shop and sell on there from time to time, but it's not my full time gig like it used to be. Too bad too... because I made a lot of money on eBay.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Based on my own experience as a buyer, Ebay is far from dying. I buy
      regularly on Ebay and I can say with confidence that many sellers on Ebay
      are doing quite well.

      It all depends on what you're selling.
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      • Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

        Based on my own experience as a buyer, Ebay is far from dying. I buy
        regularly on Ebay and I can say with confidence that many sellers on Ebay
        are doing quite well.

        It all depends on what you're selling.
        Steven, with all due respect, you can't really know if they're "doing quite well" unless you know what their cost of goods is and what expenses they're incurring.

        eBay survivors are operating on very slim margins.

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  • Profile picture of the author sadiecopywriter
    Ebay has changed. I've been on it since the late late 90's early 2000. It used to be fun, the world biggest yard sale. you could sell anything and profitably. It's not like that anymore. You could find really unique stuff on it too.

    Today the high fees and overall tone has changed. These days the only way to make it on eBay is to sell a lot of something cheaply, or a very expensive thing. There's no more yard sale, few auctions, no more fun. You used to be able to sell art on it. You used to be able to buy stuff in bulk lots and resale it. Not anymore. Not profitable. I used to like it. Now I only go there for cheap eBooks and the occasional logo design.

    I miss it. I miss the potential, I miss the community, I miss the old eBay.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Hill
      Originally Posted by sadiecopywriter View Post

      I used to like it. Now I only go there for cheap eBooks
      I thought eBay banned the sale of eBooks in 2008? Did they re-instate the sale of digital goods? eBya shot themselves in the foot with the introduction of Kijiji. But I guess they thought they could make a killing on the ads.
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      • Profile picture of the author cofton25
        Not sure if they actually banned ebook sales Mike but there certainly isn't any argument for refunds, I think their policy is that if anything is sent digitally and the buyer asks for a refund then it is automatically refunded, in Ebay's defence they can never prove delivery so difficult to control. Sellers get round this by putting ebook onto CD and posting out and then it becomes a physical product and hence delivery is as other products.

        Originally Posted by Mike Hill View Post

        I thought eBay banned the sale of eBooks in 2008? Did they re-instate the sale of digital goods? eBya shot themselves in the foot with the introduction of Kijiji. But I guess they thought they could make a killing on the ads.
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      • Profile picture of the author sadiecopywriter
        Originally Posted by Mike Hill View Post

        I thought eBay banned the sale of eBooks in 2008? Did they re-instate the sale of digital goods? eBya shot themselves in the foot with the introduction of Kijiji. But I guess they thought they could make a killing on the ads.
        They didn't ban eBooks. They banned digital downloads. (because of virus they'll tell you but I think they just didn't like the idea of links.) Anyway, you can still sell all the eBooks you want as long as you send them in the mail on a cd/dvd. I actually bought the mailers for the CD/DVDs right on eBay. Got a great deal on them.

        The DVDs/CDs I buy locally in bulk and place a nice CD sticker on it and fill it up. Of course, I make sure that I have lots of links on it back my website.
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        • Profile picture of the author cofton25
          I think the digital downloads were giving them too many emails/support/refund requests, newbies especially were not quite sure how to download etc and/or buyers can easily deny delivery and get a refund as it's difficult to prove delivery. We must remember that if the staff at Ebay are made to work harder or there are issues that are time consuming then Ebay (in their wisdom) remove the issue no matter who it affects, this was the case with digital downloads, these gave Ebay grief so they ban the product.

          Originally Posted by sadiecopywriter View Post

          They didn't ban eBooks. They banned digital downloads. (because of virus they'll tell you but I think they just didn't like the idea of links.) Anyway, you can still sell all the eBooks you want as long as you send them in the mail on a cd/dvd. I actually bought the mailers for the CD/DVDs right on eBay. Got a great deal on them.

          The DVDs/CDs I buy locally in bulk and place a nice CD sticker on it and fill it up. Of course, I make sure that I have lots of links on it back my website.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sheryl Polomka
    I don't think Ebay is dying. I don't know if it's less traffic or if it's just that there is more competition among sellers so each individual listing might receive less traffic.

    Let's face it - people become addicted to Ebay (I know, my husband has recently become an Ebay addict) and as long as you have people with the Ebay addiction, you will have people willing to buy!
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  • Profile picture of the author ultimates
    LOL. Come to think of it, I have not been on Ebay in at least a couple of years.
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  • Profile picture of the author Arock
    I previously made about $1,000-$1500 per month on ebay prior to 2008 in the antiquarian book market. After the economic "slump," and all of the ebay changes, I more or less lost my business model (doesn't that always happens when you depend on somebody else's business model). Featured, Featured Plus were where the real traffic and money was. I walked away when I couldn't get the traffic...

    I am thinking about taking another run at ebay though. I have a new product that I think might work. Just stay away from the higher end stuff (other than cars) on Ebay now.
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  • Profile picture of the author DazedandConfused
    I have to agree with cofton25 on many aspects.
    I have been using Ebay since it became Ebay. People we had at our startup in Mountain View went to work for what was to become Ebay - when they told us they were writing code for an "online garage sale" for the web - needless to say, we laughed! (hindsight is 20/20)
    we thought it would never fly! They got rich from the IPO! That's when I should have taken it seriously and opened a store - from the get go.
    Ebay is still the gorilla in the room, but with rising fees, etc. it is not what it used to be - it is a silverback - Sellers still earn huge
    I will admit I'm still addicted to ebay :rolleyes: I still crack up seeing people bid WAY more than something is worth - but I have seen some great deals too...like anything online (WF too) it needs self-policing from its members. (feedback)

    Dying? Ebay like Google, has become a titan -
    If they started to fail - I wouldn't be surprised if they asked for a bailout! - Ha!
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Baker
    Yes they did ban ebook sales. They do not permit any kind of digital products to be sold on ebay. If you want to sell a information course on ebay it must be sold on CD or DVD.

    You can read more here: Digitally Delivered Goods
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    • Profile picture of the author cofton25
      Maybe 'Ebay is dying' is a slight exaggeration, but they certainly have an 'illness' that needs medication lol.... they have alienated their core income providers with huge multiple fees and little or no support (automated emails is not support), the real sellers who want and need a decent profit margin have moved on to other avenues or use Ebay less. To be able to survive in Ebay as a full time seller I think you need minimum profit margins and stick to them, find a unique product, be able to bulk buy and/or import and maybe not rely on Ebay as your soul source of income. Ebay is still a monster and is possibly the cheapest way to hit a large audience but to make it profitable and sustain your profits is proving very difficult indeed. I still sell and purchase there though no where near as often, it is a great source for research and the odd bargain if you're lucky and know how it works, you can still grab great bargains from sellers who don't know how to use it correctly but these are few and far between.
      I would never wish any business to fail because alot of people's livelihoods rely on Ebay being run correctly, but it isn't being run correctly, Ebay gives nothing back to its members, it doesn't help its sellers, it doesn't care about giving back, it is being run selfishly and hence there is a price to pay for that, be it now or in the near future.
      All they need is new blood, someone at the top who can take it by the balls and get it back on track instead of the big fat cats at the present who don't give a toss except for their own pockets. They haven't killed Ebay, they've just made it a 'not so nice' place to trade and an unfair place to trade, when this happens people do inevitably move onto somewhere else, they then have to reply on newcomers who then have to go through the time to learn that it's not what it's cracked up to be by the media and that it isn't such a nice place afterall. The good news for Ebay is that there is almost a bottomless pit of newcomers so they think they can continue to do what they want whenever they want and ignore the requests of its members, and the sad part is they are probably right.
      Maybe one day they will value its sellers, they will modify their fees and make the fees sensible and listen to its core members and action better policies. One can only hope but I feel that their greed will not let them change.
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    • Profile picture of the author Terry Coombes
      I don't use Ebay as much as I used to, but something I realized when selling earlier this year is that taking more of a sales copy approach to the description can make a huge difference.

      I sold some shop fittings that the buyer could have bought for far less from a "plain" listing and shoes that were nothing special went for a good price because I made them sound special (well, they were to me).

      So, I think with the right approach, sales are still there to be made, as always.

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  • Profile picture of the author Andy Hart
    Dont know about sellers but as a buyer I still purchase tons over at Ebay
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    • Profile picture of the author cofton25
      Me too Andy, most of us do when we know it's a bargain, I think the trick is to not get too involved in bidding for bidding's sake, it's so easy to get into a bidding war as none of us like to lose lol.... we can easily end up paying too much for an item just because we want to win an auction.
      I use Ebay more for research to check product sales viability and what's trending and if I come across a bargain then fine. It is still a great place for research and can be very addictive, and I think it will always be the place to go to grab a large audience quickly for little money compared to other avenues. Just wish they would listen to its members, they could have been even bigger than they are at present.

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      Dont know about sellers but as a buyer I still purchase tons over at Ebay
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      • Profile picture of the author koolphoto
        I just bought something today on Ebay. Went to Radio Shack for an igo usb plug for my cell phone. $24.95. Ebay it cost me $9.95 with free shipping.

        I have a friend who sells on Ebay. He used to make a great living. Now he struggles because too much competition and prices are low in his niche.

        For buyers it is great.
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  • Profile picture of the author charlieboy747
    Fees between ebay and paypal are right up there now, just those alone can set you back 20%! That's before time, labour taxes etc. Not where I'll be going to make a living anymore The death of a Titan coming perhaps?
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    • Profile picture of the author Tad 100
      Originally Posted by charlieboy747 View Post

      Fees between ebay and paypal are right up there now, just those alone can set you back 20%! That's before time, labour taxes etc. Not where I'll be going to make a living anymore The death of a Titan coming perhaps?
      Building backlinks and SEO cost way more and eBay has the traffic you need the product only. :p
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  • Profile picture of the author ideasuniversity
    Ebay is not really dying,but it is loosing the monopoly status. Every tom dick and Harriet their sister is launching auction website everyday.
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  • Profile picture of the author IMWinner
    I thought I had the feeling that eBay is really deteriorating since as a buyer, I used to look into eBay first than other shopping sites online. But lately, I haven't type eBay in the address space in my computer. I observed that my previous sellers on my watch list are no longer connected with eBay, I was thinking that they ran out of products to sell or got married,lol.
    Thanks for sharing your observation and insights regarding what happened to eBay lately. I was wondering why eBay would not allow selling eBooks since more people are looking for eBooks in the net.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rumpleteazer
    Ebay has much more competition now than it used to. Also it is more difficult now as a casual seller (like me) as it seems that most sellers these days do it for a living, so it is difficult to compete.
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  • Profile picture of the author stefan007
    Well ebay is not dying, but to make money there is quite difficult these days.
    But why not building a new ebay with all those advantages that have gone now.
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