MMM hoplinks

[James Schramko]

Enough is enough,

Lets get together and stop MMM hop linkers?

I have counted dozens this week where new members are posting useless filler threads and there in plain site is the dreaded MMM hop link.

Occasionally they follow the instructions and get a masked re-direct.

They are like weeds in the garden.

Can we all try extra hard to ban these people?

[Talltom1]

Sorry, I must've left a few neurons at home this morning! Can you explain yourself....?

[James Schramko]

There s this thread here:

http://www.warriorforum.com/ad-netwo...ey-makers.html

It explains the maverick money maker technique of coming to the warrior forum and posting cut and paste drivel to get the signature links in front of us so we fall for it.

He teaches in his affiliate video to get a masked re-direct affiliate link to the clickbank program.

Now some of them are just posting a hoplink straight there.

Here is an example:
Article Post Robot VS Article Marketing Automation

Wolfie50 has blessed us with some great content and an invaluable link to his favorite recession proof opportunity...

[Kay King]

It's those who have joined a certain "maverick" program which seemingly advises people to spam forums with their links. The sites are all alike and all irritating.

The often appear as signatures by new members asking "how do I make money" - and the site itself claims the marketer is making big bucks.

kay

[Talltom1]

Ok - I haven't paid any attention to 'Maverick' since 'Top Gun'. Must be why I didn't get it.

Well, this forum will be what we want to be...if we see junk, its up to us to blast away.

I appreciate everybody's efforts to make this a better, more professional place to hang our hat.

Talltom

[Martin Luxton]

James,

Just zapped the latest one.

Jeez, but they breed like rabbits in the outback

Martin

[camforbes]

It's too bad to see people abusing the forum this way, but most of those posts I ignore anyway!



All the best,
Cam

[Alan Petersen]

I was wondering what was going on. I didn't know about MMM until just now. I checked out his site and skimmed a couple of his videos. He comes off as such a aw-shucks nice guy which I'm sure is how he is reeling all these newbies in plus on his sales page he says you can make 100K per month working around an hour a day!

I actually feel a little bad for the folks who just don't know better. They spent x dollars (I don't know how much MMM costs) on a system that will get them banned from forum after forum and most won't even make a dime.

I thought ClickBank was cracking down on over the top income claims? How doesn't 110K per month only working around one-hour day not fit in that category?

Anyway, thanks for the heads-up. I'll be zapping away.

[Paul M]

I've been giving them infractions all week and most of them listen and take down there sig files.

The real problem is Mack Michaels has referred 47 of them here with more coming in each day.




P.S. Mack Michaels is just his fake pen name. He is a member here and his profile can
be found on the forum stats.

-paul

[ChristianM]

How annoying - that can be the problem with the internet, people don't have that level of accountability because they can hide behind a computer screen. And, of course, some people take advantage of that.

[camforbes]

and just as quickly as I posted here, I found another!

http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ey-online.html

ARRRRGHHHH!

[lcombs]

Blackhat strategies are part of the game.

Trying to pick up a few spots in Google, Get around Craigslist regulations, etc.

But attacking the Warrior forum is like biting the hand that feeds you.

[Josh Anderson]

Here are some user names of people who are part of this spam campaign using masked affiliate links in their signatures and posting spam ads in threads:

funjet56 - reported for spamming and sig violation - infraction added

bazi47 - reported for spamming - and sig violation - infraction added - post already deleted by forum moderation :-)

wolfie50 - reported for spamming and sig violation - infraction added

You guys might also want to give these guys infractions for Sig violations and participating in the Maverick Money Maker warrior forum spam campain so that we send the message loud and clear... that is if their accounts still exist at the end of the day ;-)

[Colin Evans]

Originally Posted by camforbes

It's too bad to see people abusing the forum this way, but most of those posts I ignore anyway!



All the best,
Cam

IMO - The problem with ignoring them is the "good" posts get quickly shunted off page one and into oblivion by all the crappy promo posts. Once a post gets to page two and only has a few views, it tends to get ignored.

[edit] I'm guilty of ignoring these posts... time to take action!

[Paul Irvine]

Hi guys,

Don't zap me but I'm in MMM.
I'm not even going to attempt to post my link here, I genuinely joined as I googled "Work from home forums" to get some additional tips and help and you guys were at the top of the list.

I don't condone what my fellow (obviously more nieve) affiliates are doing, however please don't mark us all with the same brush.

I am here to learn as are most of us, I just wanted to say that.

We've all got to start somewhere, and this involves making good decisions and bad decisions (we all do it, lets be honest)

Anyway, that's my 2 cents - Thanks for having me on your forum.

[Loren Woirhaye]

I talked to a guy on the phone who really likes the MMM
program... felt he was getting a lot of value in what he
was learning about Google.

The upside is it's turning a fair number of folks onto WF.

But what he is teaching about link-spamming the WF
won't go. It's a simple thing to make a website where
you can gush about your favorite money-maker. Why
the MMM guy isn't teaching that mystifies me.

[Kay King]

Don't zap me but I'm in MMM.

Good to know that not everyone in that program is a lemming. But I wouldn't admit to even being in it if I were you - the main "business" seems to be spamming forums with the same affiliate page.

kay

[Paul Irvine]

Just out of curiosity, why can others post their affiliate links in the forum in their signatures without a backlash?
Is it the sheer volume of MMM members posting their links that is annoying everyone, or are their certain rules?

It would be nice to be able to post my link (obviously), but I also intend on becoming a worthy contributor to the forum also.
I don't want to feel that just because I'm at the start of my Internet Marketing venture that my input would be useless to what seems to be an amazing community?
There seems to be a heck of a lot of knowledgeable people on here, as far as the Warrior forum is concerned, where does the "little guy" fit in apart from constantly asking questions?

Cheers

Time.

[Loren Woirhaye]

Originally Posted by Time2LiveLife

Just out of curiosity, why can others post their affiliate links in the forum in their signatures without a backlash?

They aren't supposed to. Warriors check up on new members to help them
learn the protocol.

[adamv]

Originally Posted by Time2LiveLife

Just out of curiosity, why can others post their affiliate links in the forum in their signatures without a backlash?

They can't. Posting an affiliate link is against the rules.

[Kay King]

are their certain rules

Check the "stickies" in the main discussion forum and you'll see the sig rules.

And yes, the sheer volume of MMM spammers is annoying and makes us cross on occasion.

[Kim Standerline]

Good because as it's a aff link its a signature violation

You maybe ought to go back and tell everyone they are really pissing us off

Originally Posted by Time2LiveLife

Hi guys,

Don't zap me but I'm in MMM.
I'm not even going to attempt to post my link here,

[Mike McBride]

Originally Posted by Kim Standerline

Good because as it's a aff link its a signature violation

You maybe ought to go back and tell everyone they are really pissing us off

You know, Kim, I've suggested the same thing to them when giving infractions - in a crass sort of way, though.

Originally Posted by Kay King

But I wouldn't admit to even being in it if I were you - the main "business" seems to be spamming forums with the same affiliate page.
kay

My hat is off to Time2LiveLife for admitting to being apart of that program. It proves that guilt by association isn't always fair.

Besides, a lot of the members of MMM don't even realize they are doing anything wrong.Many of them, admittedly, are new to Internet marketing--and they're just doing what they've been taught.

Once corrected--I've noticed a dozen of them getting the point. Most of the time they even apologize.

[Alan Petersen]

Mack Michaels (or whatever his real name is) was banned from here so what does that tell you about his methods.



He's telling folks info that is just bad advice even if it's packaged very professionally with high quality videos. There are folks who have been banned from forums like the warrior forum, had their AdWords account closed, banned from affiliate programs. And you're paying $97/month to get the bad advice. Save you money pay the the $40 bucks to get access to the Warrior Forum War Room and you'll be a lot better off.

I sent a news tip to CNN about MMM using their logo on their site so hopefully they'll look into it. You can't claim "As Seen On CNN" if you've never been seen on CNN.

[Paul Myers]

Marc,

My hat is off to Time2LiveLife for admitting to being apart of that program. It proves that guilt by association isn't always fair.

Yep. I'm equally gratified to see that he appears to want to learn the culture first, rather than just jumping in and screwing things up. He'll do fine here, I think.

I mentioned yesterday, in another thread, that the stuff these people are doing is a direct violation of Clickbank's policies. Enough reports to them about it, and there will be affiliates losing accounts and possibly action by CB against the author of this silly little scheme.

That's how you stop this nonsense.

You MMM folks may want to email the guy who wrote this thing and inform him that he's best off telling people to stay the hell out of here with their links. Otherwise, the "Golden Goose" is liable to get served up as a ceremonial Warrior supper.


Paul

[Eric Lorence]

Originally Posted by marcanthony

My hat is off to Time2LiveLife for admitting to being apart of that program. It proves that guilt by association isn't always fair.

Besides, a lot of the members of MMM don't even realize they are doing anything wrong.Many of them, admittedly, are new to Internet marketing--and they're just doing what they've been taught.

Once corrected--I've noticed a dozen of them getting the point. Most of the time they even apologize.

Well, this guy is a pretty good "Lemming herder"...

I'll give him that...

[Floyd Fisher]

Originally Posted by Talltom1

Sorry, I must've left a few neurons at home this morning! Can you explain yourself....?

MMM is a bizop scam, and they are spamming this forum to promote it via affiliate links.

[dowsp]

Hello Fellow members.

I hope you dont mind if I initially offer my background experience leading up to MMM.

I have looked into Internet Marketing over the last few years trying to get an understanding of the subject on a relatively low budget (apart from the time involved) compared to what I can imagine many on this forum have spent.

I started with the belief that it looked easy, but was I wrong ...

Unless of course I have just gone down the wrong direction, which now with some experience I suspect that I have...

I believe that instead of buying some products which were dvds on Internet Marketing,
that I should have spent more time researching and probably tested the market first as an affiliate and tried to build a list.

Spending more time on this forum or others for example which I have not done.

But I have attended a few seminars and watched some dvds to get a reasonable idea of what are the basics.. BUT I have to admitt theres still a lot that I am undereducated on
and also I am not sure just how the history has changed in the last 5 to 10 years.

but

As time has gone by even in the last 2 to 5 years, It has now become severely competive
with numerous persons and their dogs having a website / product to sell..

It has also been hard to try and find out what is the good and bad and what works.

Even then it seems one has to be either VERY clever or have the right help/advice to
succeed in a relative acceptable time period. especially in the Internet market arena.

If one has money, no doubt its easier to pay for experts to help in the various fields, such as copy, webdesign, Seo, adwords or a mentor etc.

My conclusion so far is if you can afford it , try and pay for a mentor.. as time is VERY precious... more so as you get older..

I am aware of many of the well known gurus, but I have not been able to obtain much of their programmes.. as many have been expensive in the past, especially a few years ago when I first looked into the subject and their were gurus charging anywhere from $2 to $10,000 for their back end products or seminars...

THEN within what seemed a relatively short time within the last 5 yrs, the same gurus were giving away their seminars...

A few years ago I suspect for those early pioneers that it was much easier to make big fast money when they could easily charge $5k a seat at a seminar..

and no doubt many of the members on here would have paid those fees..

Although now that education may well have been worth your money, if you stuck with it and worked the business and evolved with the new ideas.

The problem I have had , is it may have took me 2 years trying to learn some skills and trying to implement the ideas that I was shown back then.... ONLY to find out that now those ideas may no longer work.. or that there are better new methods one should consider.

I have been on and off over my time of trying to create an offer due to finance problems etc... but of recent months of talking to various gurus, I am now being told my offer is outdated and is unlikely to work... or that the information is now outdated that I was looking to sell...

That may not be a great problem if I can replace the product with a more updated one as the copy and design was wrote in a way that didnt apply to the full details of the speakers of the seminar on my dvds. Luckily... but I could have easily initially made it so and ended up
it now being a total waste of money.. that would have been 2k for a salesletter that no longer is any use and say $1 to $2 K for a webdesigner...

my first stage had been trying to create a decent letter and website...and have a suitable product for it..

now my 2nd step is to try and get traffic to it...



I then had another set back and again put things on hold...

I have not as yet fully completed my offer although most of it is now close to being created..

but like many things as we grow, we think things can be improved... so maybe I am now thinking after looking at so many of the latest gurus saleslettes and offers , maybe mine just will not cut it
in todays market.... the quality of the top gurus offers today, do look very high standard.. and its hard as a bit of an amature like me to compete..even with some help that I could afford and have paid for..

So I surpose my psycholgy is a bit of a mess and I wonder if its been worth all the effort.

I am also getting somewhat drained / burnt out as when I look into other aspects of IM, I realise that I am either going to have to pay out a lot more OR force my self to learn yet again some further skills.. it just seems a never ending hard slog for NO rewards along the way.... it is starting to crack me up !

I am not really someone who can easily write about specific subjects to do with internet marketing.... or I dont think that I have a talent to write the right quality of copy or emails used for email marketing in autoresponder message series.. or blog messages , articles or forum messages etc etc...

and I think it is mainly the good writers who will succeed in this business..unless one can afford to pay for a writer.. but that can get expensive I am sure and also its trying to find a suitable one.. so just going on Elance may be a bit of hit and miss until you find a suitable one..

anyway as I was saying..

Last year I joined a well known gurus membership site for what I thought was a very reasonable price one off fee.. not monthly.. and I will say that I learned more from that than anything that I have learned before and much faster....

But even then.... I still came to the same conclusion... ie one has to write well or pay for a good writer and you still have to be able to go about things the right way...with the correct approach..

I have then looked at a few more ideas and approaches to the internet and many seem very good, but these can easily side track you from origional plans.. so staying focused and organised is essential.

But I still think that I may be missing certain vital aspects and it is very hard to get the true
details that will help you succeed.. I dont think the gurus tell us everything...

It would be great to know the statistics of just how many of the 112,000 members on the Warrior forum have achieved success to at least make a part time income... and those that are making a full time one.... I wonder if Warriors have ever done a survey...if not could i suggest it.

I am trying to learn just how hard or easy this business is !

is it just me that lacks what it takes or is this just for the elite..


Then just recently, I came across Mack Michaels Maverick Money Makers membership offer.

It was recommended to me... and it appeared to look good...

BUT... I have to admitt that it did seem a bit tooo good to be true...


some of Macks claims in his videos for some of the ideas or methods that he was claiming to implement seemed hard to believe....

although as It had been recommened to me I started to wonder if I had just wasted all my time and effort on trying to create what I thought was a genuiene offer to sell a goood product... only to find out that there was a much easier way to make huge money just promoting phone ring tones with very easy marketing methods..or promoting hair loss products as an affiliate...

I started to think I am just in the wrong business seeling the wrong products / using the wrong methods..

I have now watched most of the videos..

Apart from those type of ideas and offers he suggests which I was a bit sceptical although was considering trying it... as you do see so many stories of claims of easy riches made on the internet, I thought just maybe this was one of those....

he has a set of about 7 blueprints that were aimed at ideas to make quick money..

Otherwise I did think that a lot of his other material looked quite good...

his skill set training video tutorials I would have thought have some quality training although I have not bought programmes on certain detailed specific skills to compare..

I do however think that the information that I have on the other membership site that I am a member is better and more detailed ...

I have also seen a couple of other membership sites but they had only just started and lacked much content...

I have not as yet looked at many of his PR products but I get the impression that they are just like many of the numerous others out there in the market.. not really of good content.

UNLess someone can convince me his blueprint ideas do work and can prove it, aprat from maybe trying a very small test.. I don't think that I will continue with the monthly fee.

I was also NOT happy with how he tried to upsell me before I had even seen his material when I joined saying this offer will not be availabe again... I HATE that. !

The other BIG concern that I had was just how many members he was aiming to obtain.

over 2200.... I have read on another thread he has 240 affiliates already... I surpose thats only about 10 / 12%...

On one of his ideas to use adwords adverts on a list of specific sites...to sell a hair product...
on some of the sites the product we were trying to sell is already mentioned on the specific sites contents... although I surpose some people may click on ones link before they read all the websites information and came across the related content.

that sent alarm bells.... but I am not experienced enough to know if it really would effect results..


I surpose I should try and study this forum to get some idea how well members have done when they have obtained other gurus products..

JUST how many go on to succeed.. or DO these things just get oversold and flood the market... and its a pure case of if you have an existing list you can hit it as soon as a new product comes out... but if you are 3 months too late you miss the boat..

that the impression that I get and in some ways I do wonder if I just got sucked in..

The idea of affiliate marketing seems good... but just how easy is it..!

the gurus make it sound easy money once a list has been built... I am sure that we all were initially led into this business with the belief we can aim for this type of scenerio.

A lot of gurus now however are more into the Mentoring.. I think thats were the more solid business lies for the big money..


Applogies IF I over ran or side tracked... but It would be good if I can see any referrals to those who have managed to succeed with various IM offers or with this forum.

well as any other info on MMM..

I may have been fortunate that I found this thread as It seems I may have made an error in judgement in joining Macks M/S site. and you will have saved me money.

regards

dowsp

[ScamFreeSuccess]

Ironic isn't it? I found WF when I was doing some research about MMM being the latest scam. I googled scam + the full MMM name. Led me to a post on WF about it being a scam. Unfortunately I joined WF right around the same time as they really started to sign up. Hate that my join date is January 2009.

I know it's frustrating but they've been ripped off and mislead. Isn't letting them know that, valuable advice? Giving them the benefit of the doubt and a warning usually turns them around.

[webbizwidgets]

I was a member of MMM. It had alot of great info for a newbie. He has a bunch of great videos like eBay arbitrage and making money with google answers... Anyways its like eating fish - chew the meat and spit out the bones... You gotta have common sense and I know when someone is new to something they don't always use that part of their brain.

Whoever Mack is he needs to be responsible and tell his members that link spamming here will get them busted.

[Robert Oliver]

If their leader said follow me off this cliff they
would all follow.

Sadly, mislead people who are clueless.

Robert

[J smith]

You would think that people who are supposedly interested in making money online would get interested in warrior forums - what's with all the incredible information being posted for free on a daily basis. And value that aspect of wf more than their desire to put an affiliate link in their sig. which is not only against the rules but would be recognized by most of wf members (seeing how they are im'ers themselves and know all about affiliate links)

Anyway, dowsp there was a post here a few days ago with a link to some guru's article about "crap sells" or something like that, can't seem to find it now. The gist of it was that no product is going to ever be perfect right out of the gate, no matter how long you work on it. So you should release your product as soon as possible and try to get results, then try to *improve* on those results. Getting results is what you are after.

So, finish your product, release it and see what kind of results you get, then try to imporve it. That guru's point was that even the crappiest product that was released will produce better results than a near perfect unreleased product.

[Craig Fenton]

Hi James and all Warriors:

Hope all is well. Was hoping to give you a different point of view about what some of the members of the package you were talking about have done or will do. I am not mentioning them, have no links in any of my posts to them, and have never endorsed the person behind the program or the cost per month service.

When somebody starts out on a new venture (for me over the years it was radio disc-jockey and now: rock and roll books, rock photos, and voice/communication training) they don't have the knowledge of the seasoned pro. All around them there is failure and impatience.

If we can encourage it is a positive mindset that we help build. If there is a topic we can't encourage for strong feelings, how about not discourage? Is it possible each one of us when we started in our craft be it from teaching to politics and internet marketing to books did something the wrong way? Maybe we took a shortcut that turned into a roadblock but those that stuck around learned.

Even if the forum allowed people to post anything from their picks for the 2009 baseball season to the weather on the moon the newbie will figure out on their own that by putting the company link (either hidden or obvious) in a myriad of posts that don't fit a thread isn't going to get them any commission anyway.

Maybe look at it as a newspaper. Even the finest ones in the world are rarely read cover to cover by the most loyal subscribers. If you don't like the music section (Jane Doe does) but think the financial is the state of the art, couldn't you both be right or at least allowed the point of view?

It is only a thought. I am not saying I am correct about anything but from my experience motivating people, teaching, and coaching, it has always been my way to look for the upside and root the person on.

Thank you for your time and as you can see I am not sneaking in any plugs for the company you are not pleased with or the individual. I don't even like the product.

Have the best week ever!!

[hatch9]

As a member from India, and a long-time, early victim and therefore Wise Old Man of the Internet, it pains me to see you very earthy, supposedly savvy, educated, Advanced people of the Developed West falling prey to such predators and their truly Satanic schemes. Mack Michaels in particular has this benevolent air about him, probably why he has so many followers. He speaks in innocent dulcet tones on his videos and lulls his poor besotted followers into such Belief that they end up Destructing! Just look at all the false URLs that an MMN search leads you to. This unfortunately has been the stratagem of all false Gurus through the ages. And see what kind of world it has led us into. America, you still have the means to stop the Charlatans, but your people are too ignorant ( I stop short from saying they are Innocent). Just Google MMM and the first 100 results will show you that this Master Maverick has even Google wrapped around his finger. It is saddening.
Take care, people. We in South Asia look up to you, but are letting us down most of the time.

Originally Posted by dowsp

Hello Fellow members.

I hope you dont mind if I initially offer my background experience leading up to MMM.

I have looked into Internet Marketing over the last few years trying to get an understanding of the subject on a relatively low budget (apart from the time involved) compared to what I can imagine many on this forum have spent.

I started with the belief that it looked easy, but was I wrong ...

Unless of course I have just gone down the wrong direction, which now with some experience I suspect that I have...

I believe that instead of buying some products which were dvds on Internet Marketing,
that I should have spent more time researching and probably tested the market first as an affiliate and tried to build a list.

Spending more time on this forum or others for example which I have not done.

But I have attended a few seminars and watched some dvds to get a reasonable idea of what are the basics.. BUT I have to admitt theres still a lot that I am undereducated on
and also I am not sure just how the history has changed in the last 5 to 10 years.

but

As time has gone by even in the last 2 to 5 years, It has now become severely competive
with numerous persons and their dogs having a website / product to sell..

It has also been hard to try and find out what is the good and bad and what works.

Even then it seems one has to be either VERY clever or have the right help/advice to
succeed in a relative acceptable time period. especially in the Internet market arena.

If one has money, no doubt its easier to pay for experts to help in the various fields, such as copy, webdesign, Seo, adwords or a mentor etc.

My conclusion so far is if you can afford it , try and pay for a mentor.. as time is VERY precious... more so as you get older..

I am aware of many of the well known gurus, but I have not been able to obtain much of their programmes.. as many have been expensive in the past, especially a few years ago when I first looked into the subject and their were gurus charging anywhere from $2 to $10,000 for their back end products or seminars...

THEN within what seemed a relatively short time within the last 5 yrs, the same gurus were giving away their seminars...

A few years ago I suspect for those early pioneers that it was much easier to make big fast money when they could easily charge $5k a seat at a seminar..

and no doubt many of the members on here would have paid those fees..

Although now that education may well have been worth your money, if you stuck with it and worked the business and evolved with the new ideas.

The problem I have had , is it may have took me 2 years trying to learn some skills and trying to implement the ideas that I was shown back then.... ONLY to find out that now those ideas may no longer work.. or that there are better new methods one should consider.

I have been on and off over my time of trying to create an offer due to finance problems etc... but of recent months of talking to various gurus, I am now being told my offer is outdated and is unlikely to work... or that the information is now outdated that I was looking to sell...

That may not be a great problem if I can replace the product with a more updated one as the copy and design was wrote in a way that didnt apply to the full details of the speakers of the seminar on my dvds. Luckily... but I could have easily initially made it so and ended up
it now being a total waste of money.. that would have been 2k for a salesletter that no longer is any use and say $1 to $2 K for a webdesigner...

my first stage had been trying to create a decent letter and website...and have a suitable product for it..

now my 2nd step is to try and get traffic to it...



I then had another set back and again put things on hold...

I have not as yet fully completed my offer although most of it is now close to being created..

but like many things as we grow, we think things can be improved... so maybe I am now thinking after looking at so many of the latest gurus saleslettes and offers , maybe mine just will not cut it
in todays market.... the quality of the top gurus offers today, do look very high standard.. and its hard as a bit of an amature like me to compete..even with some help that I could afford and have paid for..

So I surpose my psycholgy is a bit of a mess and I wonder if its been worth all the effort.

I am also getting somewhat drained / burnt out as when I look into other aspects of IM, I realise that I am either going to have to pay out a lot more OR force my self to learn yet again some further skills.. it just seems a never ending hard slog for NO rewards along the way.... it is starting to crack me up !

I am not really someone who can easily write about specific subjects to do with internet marketing.... or I dont think that I have a talent to write the right quality of copy or emails used for email marketing in autoresponder message series.. or blog messages , articles or forum messages etc etc...

and I think it is mainly the good writers who will succeed in this business..unless one can afford to pay for a writer.. but that can get expensive I am sure and also its trying to find a suitable one.. so just going on Elance may be a bit of hit and miss until you find a suitable one..

anyway as I was saying..

Last year I joined a well known gurus membership site for what I thought was a very reasonable price one off fee.. not monthly.. and I will say that I learned more from that than anything that I have learned before and much faster....

But even then.... I still came to the same conclusion... ie one has to write well or pay for a good writer and you still have to be able to go about things the right way...with the correct approach..

I have then looked at a few more ideas and approaches to the internet and many seem very good, but these can easily side track you from origional plans.. so staying focused and organised is essential.

But I still think that I may be missing certain vital aspects and it is very hard to get the true
details that will help you succeed.. I dont think the gurus tell us everything...

It would be great to know the statistics of just how many of the 112,000 members on the Warrior forum have achieved success to at least make a part time income... and those that are making a full time one.... I wonder if Warriors have ever done a survey...if not could i suggest it.

I am trying to learn just how hard or easy this business is !

is it just me that lacks what it takes or is this just for the elite..


Then just recently, I came across Mack Michaels Maverick Money Makers membership offer.

It was recommended to me... and it appeared to look good...

BUT... I have to admitt that it did seem a bit tooo good to be true...


some of Macks claims in his videos for some of the ideas or methods that he was claiming to implement seemed hard to believe....

although as It had been recommened to me I started to wonder if I had just wasted all my time and effort on trying to create what I thought was a genuiene offer to sell a goood product... only to find out that there was a much easier way to make huge money just promoting phone ring tones with very easy marketing methods..or promoting hair loss products as an affiliate...

I started to think I am just in the wrong business seeling the wrong products / using the wrong methods..

I have now watched most of the videos..

Apart from those type of ideas and offers he suggests which I was a bit sceptical although was considering trying it... as you do see so many stories of claims of easy riches made on the internet, I thought just maybe this was one of those....

he has a set of about 7 blueprints that were aimed at ideas to make quick money..

Otherwise I did think that a lot of his other material looked quite good...

his skill set training video tutorials I would have thought have some quality training although I have not bought programmes on certain detailed specific skills to compare..

I do however think that the information that I have on the other membership site that I am a member is better and more detailed ...

I have also seen a couple of other membership sites but they had only just started and lacked much content...

I have not as yet looked at many of his PR products but I get the impression that they are just like many of the numerous others out there in the market.. not really of good content.

UNLess someone can convince me his blueprint ideas do work and can prove it, aprat from maybe trying a very small test.. I don't think that I will continue with the monthly fee.

I was also NOT happy with how he tried to upsell me before I had even seen his material when I joined saying this offer will not be availabe again... I HATE that. !

The other BIG concern that I had was just how many members he was aiming to obtain.

over 2200.... I have read on another thread he has 240 affiliates already... I surpose thats only about 10 / 12%...

On one of his ideas to use adwords adverts on a list of specific sites...to sell a hair product...
on some of the sites the product we were trying to sell is already mentioned on the specific sites contents... although I surpose some people may click on ones link before they read all the websites information and came across the related content.

that sent alarm bells.... but I am not experienced enough to know if it really would effect results..


I surpose I should try and study this forum to get some idea how well members have done when they have obtained other gurus products..

JUST how many go on to succeed.. or DO these things just get oversold and flood the market... and its a pure case of if you have an existing list you can hit it as soon as a new product comes out... but if you are 3 months too late you miss the boat..

that the impression that I get and in some ways I do wonder if I just got sucked in..

The idea of affiliate marketing seems good... but just how easy is it..!

the gurus make it sound easy money once a list has been built... I am sure that we all were initially led into this business with the belief we can aim for this type of scenerio.

A lot of gurus now however are more into the Mentoring.. I think thats were the more solid business lies for the big money..


Applogies IF I over ran or side tracked... but It would be good if I can see any referrals to those who have managed to succeed with various IM offers or with this forum.

well as any other info on MMM..

I may have been fortunate that I found this thread as It seems I may have made an error in judgement in joining Macks M/S site. and you will have saved me money.

regards

dowsp

[jasonl70]

Originally Posted by Time2LiveLife

Just out of curiosity, why can others post their affiliate links in the forum in their signatures without a backlash?

they can't... those links go to actual sites they own.

[vavasan]

Hi teachers,
I thank you all for the lessons up here. It opened my eyes! I just asked for a refund and ended my account with the membership. I understand now what I thought allready was the main core of the program but could not easily get behind it. I think this is not good english but I hope you all understand.
Again, thanks for the lessons. The next time I will first search here for posts on programs I like.

Henk Bakker

[vavasan]

Thank you and read my reply to your post

[valerieSONORA]

How come I've never seen any MMM spam? I feel left out. I don't even know what MMM is, just that it's no good.

[James Schramko]

Originally Posted by Craig Fenton

Hi James and all Warriors:

Hope all is well. Was hoping to give you a different point of view about what some of the members of the package you were talking about have done or will do. I am not mentioning them, have no links in any of my posts to them, and have never endorsed the person behind the program or the cost per month service.

When somebody starts out on a new venture (for me over the years it was radio disc-jockey and now: rock and roll books, rock photos, and voice/communication training) they don't have the knowledge of the seasoned pro. All around them there is failure and impatience.

If we can encourage it is a positive mindset that we help build. If there is a topic we can't encourage for strong feelings, how about not discourage? Is it possible each one of us when we started in our craft be it from teaching to politics and internet marketing to books did something the wrong way? Maybe we took a shortcut that turned into a roadblock but those that stuck around learned.

Even if the forum allowed people to post anything from their picks for the 2009 baseball season to the weather on the moon the newbie will figure out on their own that by putting the company link (either hidden or obvious) in a myriad of posts that don't fit a thread isn't going to get them any commission anyway.

Maybe look at it as a newspaper. Even the finest ones in the world are rarely read cover to cover by the most loyal subscribers. If you don't like the music section (Jane Doe does) but think the financial is the state of the art, couldn't you both be right or at least allowed the point of view?

It is only a thought. I am not saying I am correct about anything but from my experience motivating people, teaching, and coaching, it has always been my way to look for the upside and root the person on.

Thank you for your time and as you can see I am not sneaking in any plugs for the company you are not pleased with or the individual. I don't even like the product.

Have the best week ever!!

Hi Craig,

My original post was only aimed at the hoplinks in sig files.

[Art Lewis]

I have been a member of this forum for some time as I an learning about IM as partime business. I make it a point to check out the forum for any new product that I plan on buying and that practice has saved me a bundle.
As I am on several IM guru 's email lists, i constantly get bombarded with product offers daily. Today I got MMM and as others have indicated I was quite impressed with the sales letter and the videos and the affiliate training videos on the MMM site and indeed was seriously thinking of signing up to it, until I checked it out here. Thanks again for bailing me out.
Art

[sdurden]

I was just checking out the MMM website and looked like a complete scam! Once I googled I came across this website and you guys confirmed my thought. Does anyone know any legit ways of making money on the net.
Thanks for the help!!!!!!!