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Fake Joint Venture Request: They took your product & never reply

by jhongren
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Hi Warriors,

I have some email requests from some "Joint Venture" partners wanna-bes.

They sent me an email asking for a review copy and saying they have "a list of thousands to ten of thousands range".

Then they say they will get back to me when they have read my book.

Later when I emailed them plus a few times more, they never reply. I am wondering if some are using this technique to get free copies of our products.

I am wondering has this happen to any of you.

John
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  • Profile picture of the author lakshaybehl
    I recently got email from someone who offered a link to my blog from his PR4 website. But when I checked it out I found it was just a bog with 2 ntries and no PR. So stupid!

    So I decided the obvious...
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  • Profile picture of the author Kim Standerline
    Originally Posted by jhongren View Post

    Hi Warriors,

    I have some email requests from some "Joint Venture" partners wanna-bes.

    They sent me an email asking for a review copy and saying they have "a list of thousands to ten of thousands range".

    Then they say they will get back to me when they have read my book.

    Later when I emailed them plus a few times more, they never reply. I am wondering if some are using this technique to get free copies of our products.

    I am wondering has this happen to any of you.

    John
    Just put it down to experience John

    It's exceedingly unlikely that someone with a huge list like that would contact you re a JV (Usually the other way round)

    If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, then you can be darn sure it probably is a duck. (Look like you were had)!

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  • Profile picture of the author SpeedDemon
    Originally Posted by p1a1u1l1 View Post

    I emailed them back and asked for more information about themselves and there offer and they never contacted me again.
    Paul has it right there. Always ask for more information before sending out your product. Most of the time you can tell someone's a scammer when you dig a little deeper into their "business."
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    • Profile picture of the author jhongren
      I guess it is a lesson learnt...once bitten, twice shy

      John
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      • Profile picture of the author Jose Delgado
        Hey John, Don't get scamed like that again. Take it as a lesson learned.

        Oh By the way, you WSO look's awesome. Send me a review copy and I can JV with you. I have a list of 10,000,000.
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        • Profile picture of the author Jelasco
          I've had requests like that where they didn't even try to tell me who they were or why I should give them a free copy, like "I am considering promoting your product."

          I guess it never occurs to them to buy the product to evaluate it. That's what I do if I don't know the seller.

          I also get emails from someone trying to sell website re-design services and also claiming to be a superaffiliate. In other words, if I don't pay him to "fix" my "ugly" site, he won't promote it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
    Originally Posted by Chipt View Post

    Sorry to hear another war story here, this time from you, John...

    EDITED OUT

    Chip Tarver

    PS -- Me, personally... I don't want those kinds of experiences [Luv Ya, KK .]

    I was just informed that it's okay to point out our WSOs in our sig, even though I personally
    think it's tacky. But according to another senior member here, this is allowed.

    I think it opens up a can of worms. Anybody who has a problem, if we have a WSO that fits
    the problem, it gives us an open invitation to promote it.

    Personally, I won't be doing it, but I guess if it's allowed, it's allowed.
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    • Profile picture of the author admin
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      Having your wso in your sig is allowed. Pointing it out every chance you get is not...
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      • Profile picture of the author John Rowe
        Originally Posted by admin View Post

        Having your wso in your sig is allowed. Pointing it out every chance you get is not...
        Yeah... but... Chip was extremely subtle don't you think?
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        • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
          Originally Posted by John Rowe View Post

          Yeah... but... Chip was extremely subtle don't you think?
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          As subtle as a train wreck.
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          • Profile picture of the author Dave Ryan
            Yeah but I've also had people contact me for a free copy of a product who read through it, signed up and then sold 100s of units within a week without me ever hearing back from them. Don't assume someone's up to no good if they want to review something for promotion.

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            • Profile picture of the author Frank Bruno
              You can also get a lot of silent Jv's from people who buy your products and see that they like it enough to promote it to their list without even telling you.

              Or they will buy from you and like it enough to touch basis with you about their intentions of promotions.

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              • Profile picture of the author Josh Anderson
                Be careful and do not be too quick to jump to conclusions...

                For example a potential JV partner may be doing research and have some interest in reviewing your product.

                They send you the request but that does not mean that they will actually review or promote your product.

                They may just have a desire to review it at that time and intend to promote it if their review goes well and if it looks like a good match for recommendations that they may be intending to make to their list at specific times when they are covering specific material.

                Sometimes this means you may not get a mention for months or even more than a year down the road.

                Also it is important that you base your decision to provide a review copy on due diligence... are they really who they claim they are? Are they a good target? Do you want to be associated with them?

                Personally I rarely respond to review copy requests... if they are serious and if I do not know them personally they will purchase the product and review it.

                I think of JV relationships as long term endeavors. Many JV partners do not promote until after the relationship matures a bit. Just be aware that people do not usually operate on your schedule.
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                • Profile picture of the author jhongren
                  Personally I rarely respond to review copy requests... if they are serious and if I do not know them personally they will purchase the product and review it.
                  Hi Josh,

                  I guess we all learn from experience and as newbies promoter, we may be too eager to get help.

                  So by going through the JV experience, sometimes we meet good and bad people.

                  It is part of the learning journey and what matter most, we learn how to do better next time.

                  John
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                  • Profile picture of the author Daniel Molano
                    I've received many requests like that too, the thing is some are actually genuine, so should I refuse them all and skip potential business opportunities? Or should I just let a few "creative" beggars get my product?

                    In the end, some people will get it through illegal distribution anyway, especially if you make thousands of sales, so why not let a few "creative" beggars get it free?

                    On the other hand, you can do certain things to prevent it, like offering them a discount, usually people with huge lists will have absolutely no problem in purchasing a product they wish to JV with, if they refuse and still want it free that tells you something.
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                    • Profile picture of the author jhongren
                      Originally Posted by Narthil View Post

                      I've received many requests like that too, the thing is some are actually genuine, so should I refuse them all and skip potential business opportunities? Or should I just let a few "creative" beggars get my product?

                      In the end, some people will get it through illegal distribution anyway, especially if you make thousands of sales, so why not let a few "creative" beggars get it free?

                      On the other hand, you can do certain things to prevent it, like offering them a discount, usually people with huge lists will have absolutely no problem in purchasing a product they wish to JV with, if they refuse and still want it free that tells you something.
                      Hi Narthil,

                      I agree with you.

                      My friend, Edmund Loh is someone I admire most.

                      I did asked him if he is willing to take a look at my product. He says ok. And I told him I will send him a free copy.

                      He replied he don't take free copies and if he really want to review it, he feels he should buy it. He thinks it is the hard work of the author and nothing should be taken for free.

                      After this experience, I really look up to Edmund very much.

                      (Not many IMers will say this and from my experience, most will say "send me a free copy for me to take a look."

                      John
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            • Profile picture of the author Jelasco
              Originally Posted by Dave Ryan View Post

              Yeah but I've also had people contact me for a free copy of a product who read through it, signed up and then sold 100s of units within a week without me ever hearing back from them. Don't assume someone's up to no good if they want to review something for promotion.
              So do you automatically send review copies to anyone who asks?
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  • Profile picture of the author Jason K. Thomas
    This happens with WSO's all the time. Oldest trick in the book...
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  • Profile picture of the author braver55b
    Chalk it up to collateral damage, Its a good way to get favorable reviews you can use and if they really have a large list, you can also clean up with some nice profits.

    Make sure you try to read up on the people before you send a copy to them.
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    • Profile picture of the author testaccount1234567
      This has happened to me before.

      I think the best way to scan potential JV's is to try and find some info about them yourself.

      If they have their own website and their own newsletter there is a fair chance they are legit and most legit guys want to see your product first before they promote anyway.
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      • Profile picture of the author Leigh Burke
        I think the issue here is not the lost revenue from somebody getting it for free, it is the lost potential revenue you would be expecting from the JV.

        That is the REAL disappointment here.

        Because after all, if a person is willing to lie to you to get a free copy, they were certainly never intending to fork out the cash for the WSO in the first place.

        I had the same thing happen on the old forum. Funnily enough, they actually stayed in contact with me for a few more private messages up to about 4 or 5 weeks later. Each time saying they were crafting the message for their list, and it wouldn't work with aWeber etc.

        I don't know why they felt the need to keep on lying about it once they had the product, maybe they wanted to stay on the forum with that username, but after a while I realised they were just wasting my time.

        You need to filter out these time wasters. One way to do this is before you send a review copy, ask for the sign-up page to their list. This is what I actually did, and they gave me a page that looked legit. I wasn't to know if it was their list or not though.

        The other thing you can do, is have a cut-down version of your ebook with summaries etc. An actual REVIEW copy you can distribute with embedded links to the full product.

        In my case they wanted to do a JV for my Magazine Template, and wanted to see how the product worked, so I sent them a free cover. That is enough for them to see how it works, they don't need the full thing if they are legit. The same thing would apply if you were selling software. Just send them a trial version that expires for review.

        Regards,

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      • Profile picture of the author Roy Carter
        I've had some top names approach me with a view to promoting one of my products (a couple PM'd me right here in this forum).

        I've also had people who really just wanted a free copy of the product. I will generally ask them a few questions to try to see if they are genuine these days.

        Roy
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        • Profile picture of the author JasonKing
          I would reply to these JV requests and offer free review products until the cows came home.

          Question is...

          What exactly have you lost here? Assuming you do your due diligence and get the information on what their url is and their approximate list size...

          Fact is... some will, some won't.

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