Marketing Singers/Songs

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Hey guys,

Currently, I have three people that I believe have the talent, the potential, and the the personality to make it in the professional music industry. Two would be solo artists, and one would be the head of a group. Let me name them C, N, and J.

C has an incredible music ability. He can play the piano exceptionally well, can sing just about any type of music you can imagine. He is very involved in his carer, so, this would be a part time gig for him, or maybe even a "one hit wonder." He has written a song that I very well, honestly, believe could be a new hit/wonder in the church music/Praise and Worship category. Combined with his voice singing it, it could bring any church down. His voice would probably be do best with current Praise and Worship trends.

N just has a terrific voice. She can play the piano some, but, she has a voice that can just bring anyone to tears, in the good way. Her predominant strength would be in the arena of country or Southern Gospel.

J is a worship leader at my church, and has written a few songs. He has assembled his own band, not the one he works with at church, and they are all very talented. He has just done exceptionally well. I believe that this could be a new hit, with continual success and new records.

How would you market these people? I'd like to see them become successful with their musical careers, be it part time or full time. I have thought of a combination of MySpace/Facebook marketing, but, unsure about how it would all play out. If I am understanding correctly, if we just make their tracks available for download, it'd be much more profitable.

Also, one reason I am asking this is that I want to help promote them. Each of them don't really see themselves in a professional stream, but, I do. Seeing that I am wanting to "launch" them, and I want to do all of the marketing in this realm, I was thinking that a 20% cut would be a potential.

I welcome thoughts on the feasibility of this, as well as suggestions.

Jeremy
#marketing #singers or songs
  • Profile picture of the author Loren Woirhaye
    People are tribal about music.

    If your artists can understand this and make music that appeals
    to this tribal grouping tendency they can make money.

    I'm a player. I know musicians and I also know why most of them
    struggle to make money at it - they don't give people exactly
    what they want to hear.

    Secondly - musicians often let themselves down by NOT being
    relentless self-promoters. They just wish other people, like
    you, would do it for them. They inaccurately perceive their
    jobs as being to play music. No. It's not. Playing music is the
    fun part. The job is promoting.

    I would avoid working in a promotional capacity with any
    music group with talent but a less than burning, passionate
    desire to succeed and the willingness to actually sweat the
    details of promoting themselves aggressively.

    Pick your battles friend. I know a lot of people who "deserve"
    to have their music heard but few who are willing to go out
    and do the work to be successful in the business. You'll be
    frustrated if you don't work with people who are on the same
    team with you.
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    • Profile picture of the author TheAtHomeCouple
      Originally Posted by Loren Woirhaye View Post

      People are tribal about music.

      If your artists can understand this and make music that appeals
      to this tribal grouping tendency they can make money.

      I'm a player. I know musicians and I also know why most of them
      struggle to make money at it - they don't give people exactly
      what they want to hear.

      Secondly - musicians often let themselves down by NOT being
      relentless self-promoters. They just wish other people, like
      you, would do it for them. They inaccurately perceive their
      jobs as being to play music. No. It's not. Playing music is the
      fun part. The job is promoting.

      I would avoid working in a promotional capacity with any
      music group with talent but a less than burning, passionate
      desire to succeed and the willingness to actually sweat the
      details of promoting themselves aggressively.

      Pick your battles friend. I know a lot of people who "deserve"
      to have their music heard but few who are willing to go out
      and do the work to be successful in the business. You'll be
      frustrated if you don't work with people who are on the same
      team with you.
      Took the words right out of my mouth! Promoting music artists can be one of the most tedious jobs you will ever take on - with very little "instant" rewards. Advise them of some things they can do, or services they can use, but don't go any further than that unless you are willing to commit to it 100%.

      I'm a music producer of 8 years, and one thing I've always avoided, even with artists who are "friends" of mine, is taking on any substantial promotion tasks via the internet. They need to do it themselves, once they've achieved a following on their own, by figuring things out, then it's easier for a seasoned promoter to step in and take that foundation and run with it.

      It is HARDER than ever to make it in the music biz these days. Record labels are falling, they aren't signing artists, CD's aren't selling, venues are constantly shutting down and every single artist has a home studio with working knowledge of recording software, myspace and itunes...

      It's nice that you want to help them, but If I were you I'd steer clear of taking on anything you're not familiar with regarding music and online promotion.
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  • Profile picture of the author lexilexi
    I've worked in the music industry for many years. This is a tricky one. Not having checked out the people and their music, there's no way I could tell how to market them. What's the "chemical reaction" to their work from their audience. Are people raving about them?

    If C is committed to his other career, that's great that he has money coming in, but it takes dedication.

    It sounds as though you have heard their music and see dollars - but if none of them is really serious about making it a career, you are going to be up against other artists who are. It takes much more than raw talent, you have to be very driven also.

    Although the artists need to be highly motivated, I disagree with the post above. It is not absolutely essential that they do their own promotion. They do, however, need to be driven enough do the work it takes to blow people away with their art - and to seek out those who will do the promotion so that they can concentrate on their art. If an artist really has the talent and drive, people in the business will fall over themselves to align themselves with them.

    A good question to ask yourself is this: If I do not secure a position working with these people today, will someone else do it tomorrow? If someone else will do it tomorrow, that's a strong indicator of success. If no-one else is beating down their door, you probably shouldn't either.

    For internet promotion - CD sales are pretty much dead. Digital downloads? Myspace traffic and web 2.0 traffic in general is difficult to convert, but it is possible. But there are millions of artists on myspace - you can't just throw some tracks up there, invite some friends and make bank. Do you have a record producer and a studio?

    The good thing about the internet promotion is that you can test it out with small outlay (assuming your music is produced and finished!) and see if it takes.

    Are you thinking just of internet promo, or of actual management? 20% is a reasonable cut for management. Are your acts going to tour? Do you have industry connections who are ready for artists that you will bring to the table, and who trust your discernment? Have you ever managed a tour? have you ever run a record label? Have you ever worked with music distributors - both in traditional media and digital? Have you ever hired a publicist? Have you ever worked with a radio promoter?
    If not, you will be up against other managers who have, and other artists who are out showcasing their music several days a week.

    Anyway, hope that helps.
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  • Profile picture of the author indexphp
    If the music is good, it will spread on its own. Make some videos for people to share and post them on YouTube, etc..

    Check out Ronald Jenkees YouTube page. He promotes himself on YouTube and sells his music directly to his fans. Study what he is doing. He is building a fanbase without the help of a label... and all he really has are a couple 'ghetto' videos and a website with Wordpress installed. I think he just uses PayPal which makes it super easy to set up.
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    • Profile picture of the author Bryan Zimmerman
      As someone who has played in 2 semi successful bands for a few years I can tell you most of what is said here is dead on. We got lucky enough to get incontact with a couple music "players", guys who mangaged bands like Story Of The Year and Creed, and even then it is TOUGH!

      The competition is crazy, and those above are dead on correct. It is up the the musicians to promote themselves. People think it is all practice, play, drinking and getting women to throw themselves at you. That is the farthest thing from the truth for 99% of musicians. Most bands and musicians that made it were self promoting machines for years before they ever made it big. You may have just heard of them but I'll almost guarantee you they've spent years grinding out a following and building a name.

      We played a show at Hard Rock Live and got a 45 minute set. The preperations as far as promoting went on for almost 2 months before the show. Flyer distribution, email list, mailing list, smaller shows before, preticket sales.

      Building up a following takes a lot more than just marketing, (unless your just lucky). You have to be willing to hit the road for long periods at a time and build a following that way as well. Myspace IS flooded and actually so is Youtube with bands trying to promote themselves. The way the industry is right now you'd be lucky to sign a deal with someone who wants 75% of your shit.

      I can honestly say as much as I love to play and write songs, I was glad when the last band broke up. The grind is relentless.
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