JVs are crap, most of them.

I did a JV once, it didn't work out though, obviously. Mostly for me, it was the problem that all I had control over was the domains themselves, he ran the offers and such so I was like, uhhhh, where do I come in? We settled it out, but it was weird for a little while lol.

JVs are really profitable things to do. Unfortunately, they're not a basic thing to do.

Many newbies try to do "JVs" before they've got the fundamentals down and wonder why the other guy doesn't deliver. The constant cry is, "If [other guy] would just do [thing they signed up for] I'd be rich".

Pro Tip: The other guy never does his share unless it's really well defined and when you're a newbie, nothing is well defined.

Eg I can recruit a ton of affiliates/JV/partners to recruit each of my launches because everything is well defined. They know my launches are successful, they know my copy converts, they know they will make money and they KNOW all they have to do is send an email to their list.

In a successful JV each partner can do as much or as little as is required but all parties know exactly what is expected of them in a well defined way.

So when you are starting out focus on a business plan that you can deliver all the parts to. If you need to outsource something, fine. If you need to barter with someone, go for it. If you need to cut a deal to get something you need, DO IT. But make sure it's well defined and fits in with the way you are doing business.

No the thing is that i discussed details with many people who replied my PM.
Some of the JVs were me doing the work and them investing. some was the other way round, i invest and they do the work.

but even those on the 1st discussion say ok lets do this, then later i nv see them.

its not like we launch already then they disappear, we haven even launch, its almost like [i imagine it to be] they wake up the next morning just deciding to change their minds.
lol

so i just feel that 1% of JV actually work out.
the rest are crap, and people just finding people to make them rich like u say, thats all. they are mostly dreamers there.

It's because you're missing the biggest factor in a JV - the relationship!!!

You can't just expect random people who don't know you to be massively responsive to JVing with you.

I've only have had good JVs - but then again I've never JV'd with a complete stranger.

Andy said it - you don't JV with strangers. You develop relationships.

Every single JV I've done has been profitable and it started out by either building a relationship OR it was pitched to me as a "whats in it for me" and the value proposition was extremely high.

I recommend you start making connections first. Become friends with people - you know, like normal humans do.

You are complaining about people only wanting to make money off of YOU, yet you are also complaining that these very same people aren't making YOU any money.

Seems a bit, hypocritical, don't you think?

Rob

Man, you just don't get it, do you?

How do you build relationships with people outside of business? You talk about stuff. You participate.

Right here in this forum, start sharing helpful information to others. GIVE before you expect to TAKE.

Some people will start to take notice of you.

Buy a few people's products. Email them, comment on them.

Get SKYPE if you don't have it. PM someone who you look up to, ask if they have skype and ask them to introduce you to others.

Talk about their interests, you know...do things you would do in social situations to make friends.

It isn't that hard...

Rob

Okay, hi guys.

1stly i would like to say thanks for all the input really..

thing is that this is a public place.

so its best to keep it neutral.

i can see that all your points are valid, but i just feel its in a "offensive" way.
like its phrased in a attacking position.

ie : saying or suggesting that im "hypocrite" or saying things in a way as if it really happen when it didnt.

sorry im side tracking, because as i read all the inputs i feel offended somehow.
as if u guys are shooting me.

but i do realise that u guys are helping with ur opinions just that u have to phrase it properly.

if u come to someone with a attacking pose naturally people will be on the defensive pose too.

so i was initially typing back defensively but i gave up.

cos i knew u guys are helping and that u have ur point.

just take note next time pls phrase properly in a more neutral way.

dont put things in a way as if they are when you do not know.
for example if u want to say u have to make frenship and relationship say it like " maybe its because of the relationship issue" -> this is neutral. "its because u forgot the relationship issue" -> this is attacking

get it?
just some human communication relation. [see who says i dont build relation. lol i know human relation stuff]

haha

anyway thanks guys.

For Joint Venture to work you need;

1) Strong relationship with the person (as already discussed above)
2) Great product, no one wants to bombard their subscribers with mediocre products
3) Metrics - dont expect me to promote your product if cannot prove to me it'll sell.
4) Offer High Commission - Offer 75% to JV partner for your first promotion to entice him/her
5) etc

good luck

haha yea.. lol nice analogy.

haha

thanks WD mino..

Dont listen to people who are criticizing you, they have nothing better to do.

I can understand your position very well. I am sure you must have known that person good enough, or else you wouldnt have even started this thread.

The thing is many people come here on the internet to "look for opportunities" to make money. Now out of those, there are some who are really serious about doing it, and some who are just here looking for "easy" ways to make money.

Don't worry about all this JV thing, start yourself first, establish yourself first, then you dont need anyone.

hi there Dee Odus

those are good points but im not doing product launches. =)
ahah so those do not apply to me unfortunately.

JV's = Success


The key is build a real relationship and work out a plan that benefits both parties in the short-run and long-run


The main issue for me is most people contact you and say hey I just started Internet Marketing and want to be a billionaire can we JV I just wrote a book. LOL

For me personally I would rather spend my time promoting my product than someone elses that I have no idea who is or what the product actually is.

Build a relationship first. Take your time and think out the proccess first.


CHAD

You have to really get to know the person your working with beforehand

okay this is side tracking too much.
thank you to : Hartigan imback FredJones R Hagel schwarzes Dee Odus WD Mino Andy Fletcher FileRev for all ur good comments AND communicating nicely.
much appreciated.

i shall not try to "fight" or argue with other people as i do not own this thread and i cant control what happens in public.

Giving a good point in a wrong manner can be counter productive. [this will help u alot in ur life =)]

so i will still read fully and respond to good suggestions which comes in a good way. and i shall ignore those that come in a negative way as it only gives negative energy which drains ur creative juice. =)

thanks again to those who i mentioned.

There is nothing negative about what other people are saying.

You are blaming the system and not the person.

You just met a wrong person, that does not mean you blame the system

Agreed and replied above

hi schwarzes

i dont really think i understood what u said.

but anyway thats okay. we can stop on that already. that is not the thread topic anyway. =)

they can say what they want.

this is public and its their choice.

i will just ignore from now all those phrased in negative ways.

just not worth my time arguing or feeling negative.

alright now im talking to one guy regarding JV.

lets see how this goes.

anyway for everyones info, i give all my details and all transactions are by escrow and all other terms are agreed upon.

so those that just disappear i can only conclude as not serious.

Interesting thread...

With some of those that gave the OP "negative feedback" I have relations on different levels but I know one thing for sure: I'd listen very carefully when they give me advice.

With some I exchanged PM/email, with others I had done something together. Others I just know from the WF... I am aware of their contribution and I respect them for that. And, more or less, they know me, too. If I send them a PM asking a question, not likely they would report me as spammer.

Oh, and one "small" thing: if I was to contact them (JV or otherwise) I'd be careful to write them normally - not chat/txt/sms style! - because they are serious business people. I for one, would be reluctant to do business (and JV is business) with somebody writing in chat room style... Of course, I am an old, pedantic linguist. But the point is: everybody that knows me is aware of it

Maybe if people knew something about a company and accurately targeted the JV partners instead of contacting everyone and their mother who has a list.

Also...

Most JV emails I get are not really JVs anyway... their just ads trying to get me to promote some offer that my client base would not be interested in.

A "Joint Venture" is more than just asking someone to mail their list in exchange for commissions.

Why at this point I would not look into having a JV relationship with you.

1. Your mom gave you a goofy name "PPCprof"
2. The face in your profile pic looks like text.

In other words even if you contacted me here on the WF I would skip your message because I can not even tell if you are a real person

Tip: change your name to the real one and put a pick up of your self

Start with the fundamentals.

My advice would be to start your JV research based on relationships.

In other words, you can't expect a successful JV with someone you don't even know, or have any sort of relationship other than a few PMs back and forth.

As a business venture, and that's what a JV is, you need to start with a rapport that's built on trust and time.

These partnerships that start out with an email, or a brief JV are destined to fail.

Translate this scenario into an offline situation: You meet someone for coffee who has expressed an interest in a JV partnership. You discuss your business plan, you take time to listen, talk and develop rapport. You then take the time to consider all options, and further discuss any discrepancies and iron out any kinks that may have developed and you sort it out. If, both parties are in full agreement, and the other party has become part of your team, and you part of theirs, then this would be deemed an embryonic stage of a JV. Further steps are then taken with diplomacy and friendship from both parties. A project is discussed and so on...you get the picture.

To jump onto the forum and expect a JV to work with complete strangers is simply bound to fail and cause problems just as much as it would if you were to flag a guy down at the traffic lights and offer him a JV partnership out of the blue.

Here are a few suggestions:
1. Build relationships
2. Work on communication
3. Develop rapport
4. Find like-minded people
5. Show yourself to be trustworthy
6. Take the time to research
7. Ask for referrals
8. Talk to people
9. Explain your intentions and post them
10. Repeat all of the above