What is your view of handing out "Review" copies of a WSO's?

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Samples and testimonials are always and will ever be part of marketing.

Sometimes, they do not even have to be tangible, like when McDonalds purposely boiled their coffee to 150 degrees plus, so the scent of the coffee would go outside, and brought customers inside, before the lawsuit.

Just like a baker leave his front door open so the smell of fresh baking bread and cakes draws you in.

But lets talk about WSO's, because that seems to be one of the characteristics of that particular part of the forum.

Reviews and Testimonials can sometimes be a double edged sword depending on how its used...., have you seen the informercials lately, with fake audience and fake volunteers?

If you like and/or buy the product, those "fake" actors would not be the factor that caused you to buy it, much less hire them as an actor, they are pretty bad.

There are some product producers here, some, that produces products that have a batting average of .9599 +, as far as a product delivering what it promises in addition to overdelivering on features , function , customer service and use.

The majority of them, that I purchase, DO NOT hand out or offer the product for free for "review".

Their product reputation is 2nd to none, which makes it unnecessary.

Your "review" is when you buy the product and try it.

To me , the point of offering "review copies" is placing weight on the credibility of the reviewer, that he/shes testimonial is enough weight to draw in more buyers than normal or to those that are not sure.

If someone , who no one knows on the forum, gives a review, do you trust it?

Is this person , who is giving the "free" review copy objective?

I've seen a person, who I estimate, normally gets request to review others products and is given a free review copy. Sometimes, this type of person does not review publicly, and more than half the time give their review via PM.

This somewhat gives a percentage of credibility of the review but I do not know by how much, because if he gave an honest review and trashed it as useless rehash that anyone can get for free, that product owner does not have to use that review and the reviewer can still be in the market to get more review copies, so it looks like a grey area to me.

Also, we all know that some reviewers are not objective, for the mere fact that they want to continue to receive offers for "free" review copies, and would not if they are not favorable.

The BEST review, to me, is a Beta Test.

People trying out the product, actually using the product OR reviewing the product PRIVATELY before it goes to market.

That way, any bugs or snafoo's can be smoothed out before being presented to the public.

Depending on the reviewer or testers business success, the person or expert you want most likely will be unavailable.

Usually very small entrepreneurs or intermediate successes, will have the time, depending on how their business is set up and their adjacent life styles.

Handing out free "review" copies to anyone who ask is simply, to me , questions the integrity of the product to stand on its own and/or the reputation of the product owner.

One could argue that a new marketer has to establish his rep by giving out free samples.

But when a target audience is already buying what you are selling, bribing a few with a sample so THEY can convince others its good, is well, I don't know...,how believable is the testimonial? What credibility or weight do you give it?

To me , a testimonial is based on the believability and reputation of said reviewer.

To me, an unknown would actually have to use the product and give results, although this can be phony.

Unless you give a sample of your product to your list to make them salivate and hunger for more of what you are going to eventually sell them, the WHOLE product, thats different.

Big companies give out samples to either experts, so they can get a favorable review to their large audience or samples to a market that has yet to be established..., that the product, on its own, would not normally attract enough curiosity seekers or explorers to a new product just put out in the market.


The 13th Warrior
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  • Profile picture of the author Net Solutions
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    I only ever bother to read the reviews by people who actually bought the WSO, and ignore the comments that reviewed the WSO after getting a review copy..
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  • Profile picture of the author ephame
    Isn't that the way with products you go looking for the "bad" reviews, then the Internet marketer guru's worked that out and started to aim their titles towards this kind of audience. The kind that is on the brink of buying but needs to read some objections or overcome them with a faulty review like the one i mentioned.

    To answer your query of views on review copies, I agree i would not give the same perspective if i paid $97 for something as i would if it were free. If i were a seller of a product and soon i will be I would and will be asking people who bought and or use my service/product to please kindly give their thoughts and feelings. I have confidence in their words as they would be real and if they are bad that will only go towards me bettering my product as a result.
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      There are times when a review based on a free review copy can be much more credible than those from product buyers. Contrast these two scenarios...

      Scenario 1

      Joe Blow, with a screen name that looks like someone dropped a sandwich on their keyboard while they were signing up, only a handful of mostly null-content posts and no contact information posts something like this:

      " I just buyed Miracle Product, and I loved it. It going to make me rich. U shd bye it two."

      Scenario 2

      Warrior Susie, who has been a solid member of the forum for several years and is a known expert on the subject Miracle Product covers, posts something like this:

      "Before launching his WSO, Stan Seller gave me a copy of Miracle Product and asked wht I thought of it. I told Stan I thought it was very complete, easy to understand and would be a great value for beginners to intermediates in the subject. Even old pros like me could stand with a refresher course now and then. I wish I'd had something like this when I was starting out. Good job."

      Which review would you trust more?
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      • Profile picture of the author Scott Henderson
        Well put John,

        Also considering that only a very small percentage of the buyers do ever come back and post anything at all in the WSO thread is more of a reason to go with the solid review from a solid member of the forum, even if it was provided to them for review.

        It makes great business sense to seek out reviewers/beta testers/guinea pigs before any product launch.

        Would you rather see a product launch where the product was not reviewed by many and the product had a serious flaw in it?

        So for that reason yes perhaps you will not see any negative reviews. Why? Because they had the opportunity to fix any negative issues they received in the review process.

        If a member receives a review copy and states so in their review, I see no reason to doubt their judgement,,,after all it is their reputation on the line if it is a complete bomb.


        Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

        There are times when a review based on a free review copy can be much more credible than those from product buyers. Contrast these two scenarios...

        Scenario 1

        Joe Blow, with a screen name that looks like someone dropped a sandwich on their keyboard while they were signing up, only a handful of mostly null-content posts and no contact information posts something like this:

        " I just buyed Miracle Product, and I loved it. It going to make me rich. U shd bye it two."

        Scenario 2

        Warrior Susie, who has been a solid member of the forum for several years and is a known expert on the subject Miracle Product covers, posts something like this:

        "Before launching his WSO, Stan Seller gave me a copy of Miracle Product and asked wht I thought of it. I told Stan I thought it was very complete, easy to understand and would be a great value for beginners to intermediates in the subject. Even old pros like me could stand with a refresher course now and then. I wish I'd had something like this when I was starting out. Good job."

        Which review would you trust more?
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  • Profile picture of the author David Keith
    i sometimes pm or email the reviewers of various products to see what they will say "off camera" about a product.

    probably 70% of the time, i find out they have no idea what good or bad IM looks like. most of the time they have had no or very little success at IM, so to me their opinion of the product is worthless.

    i mean how does anybody who has not built a list know what is and what is not good list building techniques.

    it would be a little like going to a doctor some guy at the burger joint down the street recommended. only to find out that the guy down the street has never been to that doctor, and worse yet, the doctor he recommended is not even a doctor. he is a security guard at a doctors office.

    what i am saying is that many of the reviews are by people who have never made money online, for products by people who have never made much if any money outside of the WSO forum.
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    • Profile picture of the author JeanneLynn
      I think it's a good idea to give out review copies. I like to read a lot of feedback before I buy anything.
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  • Profile picture of the author HappyGayleen
    This was a most interesting thread for me as I am soon going to b e offering my first WSO. I was thinking of PMing a few warriors I have bought products from and offer revew copies and hope they may want to be an affiliate, too.

    My product will be a video resell product and it's somewhat unique from what I have seen offered.
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  • Profile picture of the author WillR
    You can't expect someone who has received a free copy of a product to have the same value expectations as the person who has paid for that same product with their own hard-earned money.

    For that reason I call bullsh#t on most reviews posted by people who have received free copies. It means nothing at all and that is why I would never use the tactic on my own WSO's

    In fact I've noticed one Warrior in particular who has, just recently, started doing video reviews for every second WSO released. Every time I see his video reviews I just laugh at them and think what a waste of time. When you see the same person reviewing a whole heap of products you know to take their reviews with a grain of salt. Seeing those videos actually give me an immediate negative impression of that product.

    Same goes for all the other newbie or even veteran Warriors. You start to notice a lot of the same guys handing out the same old reviews over and over. It gets a little old very fast. I would take much more notice of a detailed review from a newly registered member than from an old school warrior who just writes the old customary "this product is great. You should buy it..." spiel.

    If someone has a great product or service and is not desperate for reviews then they won't need to go after the same people we see reviewing every second WSO.
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    • Profile picture of the author Scott Henderson
      Originally Posted by WillR View Post


      For that reason I call bullsh#t on most reviews posted by people who have received free copies. It means nothing at all and that is why I would never use the tactic on my own WSO's
      I got a question, (and I actually do like the tactic you choose to do BTW so don't take this as a slam), how do you perceive that by selling a WSO at a reduced price to entice reviews is any different? Yes they did buy it I could see that being the main point, but are they more honorable than the ones who would get a product before launch?

      Which brings me to another question, I would assume that you do have people review your products prior to launch, but you are not seeking a testimony from them, just looking for feedback on ease of use, bugs, etc types of things...is that safe to say?

      Thanks
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      • Profile picture of the author WillR
        Originally Posted by Scott Henderson View Post

        I got a question, (and I actually do like the tactic you choose to do BTW so don't take this as a slam), how do you perceive that by selling a WSO at a reduced price to entice reviews is any different?
        Scott,

        Fair question however I don't want to really derail this thread with that side topic. That very issue was raised recently in another thread and I addressed it there:

        http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post4421971

        Yes, the BIG difference is these people have paid the same amount of money as other customers will be paying - so they all expect the same amount of value from the product. This is not the case with people who get free review copies. I also do NOT encourage positive reviews since people get the discount upfront, well before they come back to leave the review. This means they have nothing to lose by leaving a negative review. I encourage honest reviews only.

        Originally Posted by Scott Henderson View Post

        Which brings me to another question, I would assume that you do have people review your products prior to launch, but you are not seeking a testimony from them, just looking for feedback on ease of use, bugs, etc types of things...is that safe to say?
        Exactly. Usually I would never give out review copies before a launch unless it is a product I think would benefit from being tested on a few different computer setups/systems - things like software, plugins, etc where you need to make sure they will work across a wide range of computers and/or servers. That's the only time I will ever hand out free copies - but they are not review copies. They are only given out to test the product not to receive testimonials.

        Think about it. How many times has someone given you something for free where you thought it was pretty cool - but if you actually had to pay for that thing you would never have purchased it in the first place because you don't think it's actually worth the money. It's cool while it's free but not when you have to pay for it. This is exactly what happens with free review copies. The reviews are tainted.
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        • Profile picture of the author Scott Henderson
          @WillR, thanks for your explanation and sharing that thread,,,interesting read it was.

          Now as far as tainted reviews go,,,I guess I have to consider the source and that's where a little bit of common sense comes in,, maybe a little bit of having been around here longer (knowing some of who's who)etc. If somebody with over 1000 posts & a join date of 2007 says it's a good product I would be very much inclined to think that it's not a tainted review.

          On the other hand it's pretty easy to spot the "serial reviewers" and yes I would tend to raise an eyebrow over their review.
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          • Profile picture of the author retirewithsandie
            Originally Posted by Scott Henderson View Post

            Also considering that only a very small percentage of the buyers do ever come back and post anything at all in the WSO thread is more of a reason to go with the solid review from a solid member of the forum, even if it was provided to them for review.
            Correct & some won't buy (reasons vary some due to the newness of the OP others due to price) without a review.

            I do understand the view of "it's the greatest thing since sliced bread" since they received it free. But many times the buyers say the same in reviewing the information initially. How this is going to make them a gazillion dollars overnight or how this is going to bring me traffic from the planet Mars if I want. *Often* the ones who do a review copy review are more indepth than the folks who paid for it.

            If someone publicly asks for a refund, it's a generic post. I haven't read every thread/every post, so there maybe some where good feedback is left, but the ones I've read have often been along the lines of "this isn't what I'm looking for" or "I already know/do this method" etc. So even people who ask for refunds do not always provide negative feedback.

            Because most systems can take a week to a month or more to really get the money rolling in or the system truly working to bring in traffic like gangbusters, the thread is pushed back many pages, unless the OP pays to bump it up. So any true negative feedback of implementation if they bother to try to locate the thread, can come much much later.
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            • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
              Originally Posted by WillR View Post

              Same goes for all the other newbie or even veteran Warriors. You start to notice a lot of the same guys handing out the same old reviews over and over. It gets a little old very fast. I would take much more notice of a detailed review from a newly registered member than from an old school warrior who just writes the old customary "this product is great. You should buy it..." spiel.

              If someone has a great product or service and is not desperate for reviews then they won't need to go after the same people we see reviewing every second WSO.
              Fair point. I think the key is "detailed review", though, not whether the reviewer laid out cash for the product.

              Originally Posted by WillR View Post

              Think about it. How many times has someone given you something for free where you thought it was pretty cool - but if you actually had to pay for that thing you would never have purchased it in the first place because you don't think it's actually worth the money. It's cool while it's free but not when you have to pay for it. This is exactly what happens with free review copies. The reviews are tainted.
              Another fair point. And one of the reasons I always disclose that I got my copy for free, and by the request of the product owner. Of course, I don't do all that many reviews anyway.
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        • Profile picture of the author The 13th Warrior
          Originally Posted by WillR View Post


          I also do NOT encourage positive reviews since people get the discount upfront, well before they come back to leave the review. This means they have nothing to lose by leaving a negative review. I encourage honest reviews only.


          Honesty, integrity and above board marketing tactics?

          You will never be a mega GURU like Don Lapre or charge $50,000 an hour/year for coaching/membership as an upsell.

          You are missing the big fish opportunity, you could've been a gazillionaire and be on the biography channel as a celebrity.

          By promising to potential customers the world and ALL their dreams, you are not scamming, you are inspiring them to take action and make all their fantasies come true.

          Your honesty is un-exciting and boring , you will always be a small time operator when you could have pictures of yourself with
          40 Porches, private Jets and a 400 room Castle on your Private Island you bought, ALL attributed to the course and the secrets NO ONE ELSE has that you are about to reveal to them if they hit the buy button.

          This type of marketing and bribed testimonials encourages potential customers that they can only do it with your course, they could live the life they always wanted, the life you have in the photos and testimonials , you are doing them a favor, by stirring their imagination to take action at any and all cost.

          I pity your lack of inspiration.

          I am dissappointed by the size of your vision.

          ( of course, you know I'm joking..,?..or am I..,? LOL)


          The 13th Warrior
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  • Profile picture of the author absolutelee
    You've got to take all reviews with a grain of salt. Someone could receive a free product and review it and give an honest helpful opinion. Of someone could buy the product and give a cursory, "buy this, it's great" type review. I rarely buy products because of the reviews, anyway. I buy the product because of what the sales letter promises. If I don't like the product, I could ask for a refund, which I never have, btw. I can learn from virtually anything. And the price point of most WSO's is so low that how much I paid is usually not the issue.
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