Any Tips for Part-time Marketers with a 9-5 Job

15 years ago

I suggest outsourcing many of your administrative chores. It may take awhile to get good help but it will be worth it in the long run. Automate as much as possible and you will be more efficient and profitable. Outsourcing does not have to be expensive and you can pay for it out of your profits or investment into your business.

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Scott Million 15 years ago

Originally Posted by alyoung

I suggest outsourcing many of your administrative chores.

Ditto. This is the way to go. If you can't make a profit outsourcing blog posts, article writing, link building, etc....then you shouldn't be doing those activities yourself.

Map out what activity is making you the most money and focus more of your efforts there. And...if possible...outsource those too!
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charleshu

15 years ago

Do spend some time each day, maybe 15 minutes, to take a step back and a breather, And start thinking if you are still on the right track, are your current tasks driving your IM in the correct direction... Sometimes when i get myself too buried into all those work, i tend to loose track of myself.
Set realistic and near milestones, and plan your time to keep yourself on track. Prioritize on those activities that can generate revenue and think of how to outsource of streamline those that doesn't.

Im also holding a 9-5 job, in fact i mostly do OTs. So i kinda understand your plight. Its damn tiring and sometimes our loved one are neglected. I wish I can just spend the time and enjoy myself with them, but at the same time, earning more money seems to always take precedence. Im still struggling with it, and still thinking of a way to manage it.

Just some of my thoughts, hope i have helped.

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Ken Strong 15 years ago

Have you read Keith Kogane's thread about automating your blogs?

http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...lly-works.html
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carlos_a

15 years ago

You have the right attitude and the right mindset.I've been there done that.I've distant myself from the people I care also.

I found that sometimes you need a break or else you are going to get burned out.
Make sure you are focusing on M.M.A money making activities and that you are getting the best in your return on investment.

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Doug Simons

15 years ago

Automate or outsource there are people in the Philippines who speak excellent English and very smart I might add but work for very cheap

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richdirtygirl

15 years ago

Originally Posted by GlynisG

Experienced IM 'ers who have been there and done that I need some tips from you. My days are a whirlwind of nonstop activity. I wake up and work on my blogs. Go to work, come back, work on my blogposts, articles, market my blogs. There is always stuff to do and sometimes I feel guilty that it leaves me with no time for the people I care about.
I hope this crazyness comes to an end fast, when I quit my job and concentrate only on my IM business. That's my resolution for 2009.

Meanwhile all your tips are more than welcome.

Glyn

Ok babe... you are doing a great job for what you are showing... what is going on is perfectly normal, a matter of stages...

Now... don't through shoe at me... but I would recommend yet another task... and this one is a royal pain...

you need to write down all your operation and procedures. That is your own blueprint.

And you need to take a spreadsheet and see where the money is coming from and where it is going.

With the spreadsheet info... you are going to see how to use your time more efficiently and what is your budget to outsource.

Having your procedures written down, you have material to give your outsourcers to do things your way. And it is a great eye opener in terms of things that can be done better.

As rule of the thumb: outsource what takes more of your time because you don't like it.

Some things might take time, but be the heart of your business... I can't imagine Paul or Stefen outsourcing the writing no matter how long it takes, do you? And there are others that outsource articles before even having a blog...

Anyway...

RDG :p

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trafficwave

15 years ago

I 2nd richdirtygirl's comment.

I used to just run around doing this and that, bouncing from one task to the next. I wasn't sure if I was being productive or just spinning my wheels but I KNEW I was tired.

When I first got started, I had the full support of my wife. She knew that the time I was spending then was so that I would be able to spend more time with her and the kids later on.

We can tolerate just about anything if we know it's taking us somewhere, right?

The important thing is: You're DOING something. Learn and refine as you go along. When I got started, there weren't nearly as many resources available as we have today (like this forum).

Stick with it. Looks to me like you're doing great.

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JohnMcCabe 15 years ago

Automation is cool and outsourcing is fine...

But until the day arrives that you have that in place, keep an eye on the scale of what you take on.

One of the biggest lessons I had to learn ( and still have to revisit occasionally) was not to take on more than I was capable of handling. I would start projects with 2-3 hours per day available that would take 2-3 full-time people to do.

And that applies even if you outsource things. You still have to allot time to monitor and manage your outsourcers.

And schedule time with your family/friends. I don't have the same grim statistics artwebster does, but I know my life runs a lot smoother when my wife gets to see more than the back of my head and my reflection in the monitor...

Even if it's an hour for dinner, one evening a week or one day a month, you have to show them they are more important to you than that 'Internet thing'.
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artwebster

15 years ago

Oh Boy!

Just how out of touch can I be?

It seems that everybody thinks you are doing the right stuff - BUT YOU ARE NOT!!!

How can you possibly justify cutting the people you care about out of your daily bustle? It may surprise you to know that there is more to life than simply being busy doing stuff.

Speaking from the experience of six deaths in my immediate family, I can assure you, your blogs are likely to be around longer than the people you claim to care about.

If I sound harsh, it is intentional. Having buried three wives and two children I know exactly how it feels to work your butt off thinking you are doing your best for yourself (and them) and then to discover that they are no longer there to say "Did you see that?" when you spot something that they would have enjoyed.

Get your priorities sorted - devote time to those you care for or stop kidding yourself that they matter to you.

Far too many internet marketing wannabes fail because they concentrate on the wrong thing. A happy life with supportive significant others is one of the key elements of success - AND IT ONLY GETS LIP SERVICE IN THESE FORUMS.

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trafficwave

15 years ago

I must have misunderstood some of these comments in your post:

Originally Posted by artwebster

It seems that everybody thinks you are doing the right stuff - BUT YOU ARE NOT!!!

That seemed pretty straight forward to me.

Originally Posted by artwebster

How can you possibly justify cutting the people you care about out of your daily bustle? It may surprise you to know that there is more to life than simply being busy doing stuff.

This one sure looks like you decided for yourself how she feels about her family:

Originally Posted by artwebster

Get your priorities sorted - devote time to those you care for or stop kidding yourself that they matter to you.

This one looks like a pretty clear accusation to me:

Originally Posted by artwebster

Far too many internet marketing wannabes fail because they concentrate on the wrong thing. A happy life with supportive significant others is one of the key elements of success - AND IT ONLY GETS LIP SERVICE IN THESE FORUMS.

But perhaps I misunderstood somehow.

My hope for Glynis and anyone that is trying to transition to a different way of living life than the 9 to 5 routine is that they can manage the challenges and trials of learning new skills while maintaining deep and authentic relationships with their friends, family, and loved ones.

It's most definitely a challenge.

"Time" is not always the answer. Some folks think watching 4 hours of TV every night is "spending time together".

But a truly authentic conversation that lasts only 15 minutes can do more for a relationship than hours of pointless insincere interactions.

If we know WHY we are doing what we are doing...
If we are CLEAR about what we are doing...

We can make it work for everyone involved.

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skorpion

15 years ago

Opening Poster..I can relate to you as I am in the same situation. Unfortunately, it it takes a lot of hard work and long hrs when you're still holding down a full time job. I know it's hard for me and hard on my relationships but it has to be done.

Those who really love you and are behind you will put up with it....as long as it does come to an end when things start to take off for you. I know when I get to the point of quitting my day job, I will be focusing on automating and outsourcing as much as I can. After all, thats why we chose this business right??...the Freedom.

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trafficwave

15 years ago

Art, I'm certainly sorry to hear of your loss, but don't be too quick to assume that someone else that is taking on the extra hours has their priorities jacked up or doesn't care for their family.

Neither you, I, or anyone else are qualified to decide for someone else whether or not they care for their family.

I have no doubt that your losses are very real and very painful. I have also lost family members and loved ones as have many of us. And yes... it can shake you into a different awareness of how you value their space in your life and how you demonstrate that to them. But it doesn't mean that someone else's purposes are your own. And it doesn't mean their motivations are the same as yours may have been. We each walk our own road.

Life is always out of balance. There are seasons and times for everything and when we are focused on one thing, we are less focused on another for that particular season. Then the focus shifts again as we refocus on other areas of our lives.

In my case, my family and I discussed what was about to happen before we embarked on this journey. We knew that if we were going to be able to live life on a different level, we would need to learn to do things in a different way and that was going to require some sacrifice for a season. There would be things to learn and these things needed to be learned WHILE we were still managing the situation we were currently in. We agreed that it was worth doing and to this day, we are all VERY glad that we took that time and made those sacrifices.

We set the objective.
We agreed on the task at hand.
We approached it together.
We made a lot of mistakes along the way.
We achieved it together.

Today, we have more time for each other than ever before.

Our relationships are deep and full of authenticity.

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artwebster

15 years ago

Hi, Trafficwave,

I did not "decide for someone else whether or not they care for their family" - they said so in no uncertain terms

There is always stuff to do and sometimes I feel guilty that it leaves me with no time for the people I care about.

Feeling guilty is not the best emotional state for anybody to do good work - but - like I said, I'm probably out of touch with today's style of personal relationships (isolation?), family or friends.

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westernseo

15 years ago

Although it may seem that like doing a series of different things for your IM may be helping....

But it probably isn't.

You should just stop and figure out what you have been doing that has been producing an income and what hasn't.

Then go from there!

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artwebster

15 years ago

Hi, Trafficwave,

I responded bluntly and directly to the sentiments expressed in the post - I know of no other way.

When somebody is in the position of actually acknowledging that they do not have time to spend with the people they care for and that they feel guilty about it, in my humble opinion, they have to be given a reality check.

I accept that, for many people, TV has taken over as the number one joint activity but the operative word is 'joint'.

Far too much agreement is created today by the fear that an honest opinion will generate ill will and an avalanche of "how could you say that?" responses.

One day the people who this person has no time for now will wonder why they should have time for them, later when, possibly, their own lives will be fulfilling without it.

I can only comment on what is posted and I found this post particularly sad.

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JonnyAndrews 15 years ago

Here's exactly what I would do if I were in your shoes:

Break up my entire business into 1 hour daily activities

First: I'd start by creating a low price product and sales letter
based on several PLR templates (rewrite and beef it up - make it
an original thing but use the PLR as a base)

Topics: SEO/PPC/Bum Marketing/online biz stuff

Reason: Focus on the make money niche as it has the highest number
of easy to find ad swap partners.

Day 1 - 14

Second: Once my product/sales letter were up and tested I'd get my
autoresponder cooking with 7 follow up messages (content rich and also
based on quality PLR templates)

Day 15 - 16

Third: I'd get the entire thing approved through ClickBank

Day 16 - 20

Fourth: I'd write 2 - 3 copy/past promo emails for partners and
put them on an affiliates page.

Day 16 - 20 (While waiting for ClickBank to say "YES")

Fifth: I would go into the forums, ClickBank, PayDotCom and begin
collecting the name/email/url of potential swap partners and JV's.

Store them in a spreadsheet until you have around 400 (no, that's
not hard!)

You can find this info (frequently) on the terms of service page
and/or the disclaimer/contact us pages...

Day 21 - 25

Sixth: I would write a "let's swap mailings" professional sounding letter
and mail it to each of the potential partners.

Day 25 - 30+

End Game: This actually works IF you can focus and get that product
made. I've actually seen people come out of nowhere and build solid
businesses using it.

Me for example! (except I didn't use PLR and it took me about
30 days longer

The trick is in setting up your business to be a system so you don't
need to constantly deal with the nitty gritty.

When you get that up, the ONLY thing you do is get people to mail.

When you're new you can expect about 2% of them to do it...

After you grow you can expect 10%...

Once you have a list of around 10K (4 - 5 months with constant pushing)
they'll start asking YOU to promote.

Then you have monthly swaps... then you can do a launch...

Oh yea... you will have quit your job quite a while ago!

Hope that helps!

Jonny
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- Rosie Cottis 15 years ago
  
  Well here's what I would do if I were you. Whether it is ethical and possible in your situation I don't know.
  
  I would cheat on the day job
  
  It may be tough to get concentrated time when you can do your own business but there is probably some time and I would take it. It could be lunch breaks. It could mean taking your laptop to the office and sitting at your neighbor's desk not your own to escape the phone in your breaks. Or even locking yourself in the bathroom. Writing stuff and saving it to be posted later if you don't have an internet connection in that bathroom. If you don't work in an office it could mean sitting in the coffee shop with your laptop between appointments. It could mean writing your blogs when your boss is out or at least doing the training and surfing stuff at those times.
  
  Whatever ... I'm not saying this is what you should do but this is what I would do.
  
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  trafficwave 15 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Rosie Cottis
  
  Well here's what I would do if I were you. Whether it is ethical and possible in your situation I don't know.
  
  I would cheat on the day job
  
  DO NOT FOLLOW THIS ADVICE! Rose, you KNOW it's not ethical.
  
  The best way to grow beyond your job is NOT to cheat the job but to fulfill it and beyond. Become BIGGER than the job by doing everything you can to treat this employer with honor and integrity. The benefits will be seen as your life grows beyond that job in to your own business.
  
  By cheating on the day job, you will be cheating YOURSELF and the ramifications of that WILL show up in your new business and elsewhere in your life.
  
  Full integrity and authenticity with your family and your job will pay off with HUGE dividends.
  
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15 years ago

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GlynisG 15 years ago

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- GlynisG 15 years ago
  
  Thanks for the great tips and advices everyone. FYI I am married and we have one child (11). While reading the posts in this thread I just thought: Why don't I involve my husband and my child more in the IM business. It will be a win-win situation. We get more work done together(faster) and we get more free time to spend together.
  
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Steve Wisley

15 years ago

Glyn

Give yourself a break. You are working hard for your loved ones and deserve a pat on the back. So go easy on yourself.

Now, there has been some great advise above. You just need to take a look at your business and decide where you want to go.

1. Are you making money with what you are doing?
2. What is your business model?
3. Are you planning your time.
A. 90 days in the future
B. 30 days in the future
C. This week
D. What needs to be done today and how am I going to get it done?
4. Look at what's working (making money) and expand that.

Your business model is the most important part of planning. You can work awfully hard going in the wrong direction. So, see what's working and head in that direction. And when you are planning you week and day write in a little time for yourself and your family. If you don't take time for rest and education you will be wore out going nowhere.

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richard92780 15 years ago

Hi Glyn,

There are 2 type of Marketing methods...Free Marketing & Paid Marketing.

It's obvious that your doing the Free marketing which means that you are doing it manually on your own.

If you want to spend less time marketing yourself and more time with the people you care about. Then my advice to you is that you should invest some money into Paid marketing by finding some trusted companies online to do your blogging for you and whatnot.

I wish you lot's of success and prosperity in 2009 and beyond.

To your success,
Richard
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Rosie Cottis

15 years ago

LOL ... well OK trafficwave but you cannot have 3 TOP priorities: day job, family and home business. Something has to give, in my experience. A woman can juggle 2 of those but not 3 without either cheating or breaking down. More is expected of a woman in many ways than a man. Although I may get flamed for that ;-)

On the other hand the OP does not specifically say that she has a husband or kids. If single and the important people in her life are friends, I would agree with you. You can have a friendship fit around a business and a day job. Most women would not be able to do that with a marriage or children.

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trafficwave

15 years ago

There can be only one top priority.

That isn't the question. The flow of life is that something will always give way to whatever you are currently focused on. This is why each of us has to be very clear about WHY we are doing whatever it is that we are doing.

That, however, is a completely different discussion from compromising your integrity.

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forous

15 years ago

Find one thing that makes you money and concentrate on it.
Become very good at and profit from it.
Focus is the key.

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15 years ago

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richaard

15 years ago

Hi Gly,
ONe to remember is that while it can be time consuming , it doesn't have to be hard.Making Money Online Doesn't Have to Be Hard

The first thing to do is research the variety of plans and progRAM OFFERED ON THE INTERNET.
You will find hundreds and hundreds of programs outlining myriad ways go gain internet wealth,
to start making money. Some of these will be very tempting and some will be
more complicated.
Look at the programs whose offer appeals to your nature. If you don't like
detail work, pick one that offers broad strokes which you can follow. You will have
to do some work, regardless of the program you find. The idea is to select one
that fits your work habits, your skills and build from there,
Remember, it is always going to be a learning process on the way to internet wealth.
That does not mean that you will have to sweat day in and day out, hour after hour, on the internet. It does mean that you will need to follow a plan, learn more about how the
internet operates. Keep up with the new technologies that are designed to promote money makeing ways that build on each other. Know how to work and build blogs, how to set up an RSS, how
to organize your files, how to advertise for free.
You will soon discover that internet wealth online must be worked at but it doesn't have
to be hard.
rpyatt.com/blog

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richaard

15 years ago

Hi Gly,
ONe to remember is that while it can be time consuming , it doesn't have to be hard.Making Money Online Doesn't Have to Be Hard

The first thing to do is research the variety of plans and progRAM OFFERED ON THE INTERNET.
You will find hundreds and hundreds of programs outlining myriad ways go gain internet wealth,
to start making money. Some of these will be very tempting and some will be
more complicated.
Look at the programs whose offer appeals to your nature. If you don't like
detail work, pick one that offers broad strokes which you can follow. You will have
to do some work, regardless of the program you find. The idea is to select one
that fits your work habits, your skills and build from there,
Remember, it is always going to be a learning process on the way to internet wealth.
That does not mean that you will have to sweat day in and day out, hour after hour, on the internet. It does mean that you will need to follow a plan, learn more about how the
internet operates. Keep up with the new technologies that are designed to promote money makeing ways that build on each other. Know how to work and build blogs, how to set up an RSS, how
to organize your files, how to advertise for free.
You will soon discover that internet wealth online must be worked at but it doesn't have
to be hard.
rpyatt.com/blog

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