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Got a $7 long tail KW. How do you suggest I continue?

by stephabel
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In reviewing long keywords for one of my (old) blogger's niches I stumbled upon a long tail KW that I had not noticed before. It just hit me when I applied a technic explained on this forum a few days ago (I have read so many threads I can't find it any more).

KW1,KW2 and KW3 are common dictionary words, not copyrighted, company or product names.

Here are the numbers
KW1 KW2 KW3 adsense shows $7 in google keywords
exact search in google shows under 15,000 pages
searches in google are about 1,500 per month

There are no articles in ezinearticles.com when I searched for the 3 KWs

In the free search, Google returns as #1 the KW1.com (PR4) webpage KW2-KW3.html describing its product, the following results are PR1 and PR0 second level pages from message boards and from small businesses selling this material, so I think I may have a good chance to easily go to a good position. Google displays 4 adsense ads in the search results

I have two questions if you waqnt to help me by getting in my shoes

1) Would you work under the current KW1 blogger niche or would you create a new WP blog with its own domain name?

2) the KW1KW2KW3.com is already taken and is a parked domain, all other extensions are available. All KW1-KW2-KW3 (with dashes) are available. Which domain name would you pick?

Thanks in advance for your comments and for your help.
#continue #long #suggest #tail
  • Profile picture of the author John Rowe
    Originally Posted by stephabel View Post

    1) Would you work under the current KW1 blogger niche or would you create a new WP blog with its own domain name?

    2) the KW1KW2KW3.com is already taken and is a parked domain, all other extensions are available. All KW1-KW2-KW3 (with dashes) are available. Which domain name would you pick?
    Buy the dashed domain with the .com extension and create a WP blog on that domain. If you have the extra cash, buy the .net without the dashes too, create a similar site. Then start getting inbound links to both.
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    • Profile picture of the author stephabel
      Originally Posted by John Rowe View Post

      Buy the dashed domain with the .com extension and create a WP blog on that domain. If you have the extra cash, buy the .net without the dashes too, create a similar site. Then start getting inbound links to both.
      Thanks John,

      Another question just popped up when digging and digging...

      The "KW1 KW2 KW3" long keyword is $7 in Google Keyword Tool
      but the "KW1 KW2" shorter keyword is $5 only

      Competition is about the same but the shorter keyword has 3 times more searches.

      There are lots of long keywords worth over $3 starting with KW1 KW2 without KW3 but in exactly the same niche and no competition in google search - sometimes 3 results onlyfor 100 searches per month.

      Which domain name would you take?

      KW1-KW2.com or
      KW1-KW2-KW3.com

      In both cases just the domain with keywords without dashes and the com extension are taken. All other are available.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Rowe
    I would take both of them. Domains are cheap and can pay for themselves quickly. Whenever you find phrases with good search, and good competition numbers, buy the .com with and without dashes if you can. Even the .net, .org, .info, will likely be profitable in various search engines because of the lack of competition.

    Let's pretend you're talking about these domains... lose-weight.com and lose-weight-fast.com

    If in this pretend world, the competition numbers were good for the phrase 'lose weight fast', then lose-weight-fast.com is a no brainer.

    But the other name is kickass too.

    You can cash in on several related phrases with lose-weight.com. For example...

    lose weight quick
    lose weight quickly
    lose weight for a wedding
    lose weight easy
    lose weight fast and easy
    etc.

    Just make your URLs similar to these...

    lose-weight.com/quick/
    lose-weight.com/quickly.htm
    lose-weight.com/for-wedding.html
    lose-weight.com/easy/
    lose-weight.com/fastandeasy.htm
    etc.

    Hope that made some sense for you.
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    • Profile picture of the author stephabel
      Thanks John,

      What you wrote makes a lot of sense, of course.

      Staying in your pretend world: Does "lose-weight.com/fast" has more power than "lose-weight-fast.com/" ? Or is it the opposite? I could not find a definitive answer to this question when browsing results of a few queries.

      But I understand I should get both to prevent someone to get the lose-weight-fast.com domain and top me in searches. Is that true?

      This is my first venture trying to cash on adsense as I am trying to expand my operations beyond my brick and mortar and internet business that can't be run without daily care (I must ship orders every day - can't drop ship or outsource)
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  • Profile picture of the author John Rowe
    All things being equal, the strait domain name will rank better.
    When you can find them, buy them.
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    • Profile picture of the author RedSynergy
      I'd like to add a couple of points here as well. When you checked the monthly search figures in google keyword tool, did you use a broad or exact match? I find this can make a HUGE difference to actual search numbers. It often pays to check search numbers in other tools like wordtracker etc.

      When you check the competition it's not the PR of the competing websites that matters as much as the inbound links. Did you check the yahoo link: command for the top 10 sites on google search for your keywords?

      And finally I never trust the google adsense estimator. I've got several adsense sites. I get $.30 for keywords that google states will give me $2 and more. You could double check it in spyfu.com but in the end you'll just have to set it up to see what you'll really get. (CPA converts better in my opinion than adsense anyway)

      I definitely don't mean to sound negative here, just giving you some food for thought.

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      • Profile picture of the author stephabel
        Originally Posted by RedSynergy View Post

        I'd like to add a couple of points here as well. When you checked the monthly search figures in google keyword tool, did you use a broad or exact match? I find this can make a HUGE difference to actual search numbers. It often pays to check search numbers in other tools like wordtracker etc.

        When you check the competition it's not the PR of the competing websites that matters as much as the inbound links. Did you check the yahoo link: command for the top 10 sites on google search for your keywords?

        And finally I never trust the google adsense estimator. I've got several adsense sites. I get $.30 for keywords that google states will give me $2 and more. You could double check it in spyfu.com but in the end you'll just have to set it up to see what you'll really get. (CPA converts better in my opinion than adsense anyway)

        I definitely don't mean to sound negative here, just giving you some food for thought.

        Emma
        I have checked both ways and do some other research. The easiest being to search both in google and carefully study the stats for the first ten results.

        What I study is the type of competition there is. I do this on firefox with the SEO Xray plug-in that shows about 25 indicators and rankings for each webpage.

        If I find 10 PR8 results at the front it's difficult for a new blog to top that.

        But in one of my niches my sales page is #1 on a dozen long keywords with a 2-page website that has a PR4 and only 13 Y! incoming links. No incoming links in Google, Not a single social bookmark. Alexa ranking of 22,000,000 and #3 out of 350,000 pages on a broad match of my best KW.

        Still funnier is that have 3 other websites of mine on the same hosting account using the same IP with a single page containing a single paragraph and pointing to my sales page (there is nothing on these sites at all). And I've managed to rank these three other sites in the top 5 for other KWs.

        I have carefully modified my sales page over 6 months to include all KW I needed and got the site to rank 1 to 5 for nearly all my KWs.

        You're right to say that we should not believe what we see. Just test, test, test, then improve, improve and improve.
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  • Profile picture of the author freudianslip27
    This is an interesting discussion. I have also been finding that domains can pay for themselves quite quickly.

    All it really takes is a reseller hosting account, and you can slap tons of domains on them. I have had success with starting with a small site, targeting just the keyword phrase in the actual domain, and then expanding it out later.

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    • Profile picture of the author stephabel
      Originally Posted by freudianslip27 View Post

      This is an interesting discussion. I have also been finding that domains can pay for themselves quite quickly.
      I have a multi-domain account $8 or so.

      When I reach 25 domains, I'll buy a second one so I get a different IP. Domain names at moniker.com cost $8 per year, that's nothing. But if you have 10 domains in one niche and you maintain 10 blogs for one niche...
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