Is It Crazy Im Sharing This Idea

[Eric Land]

Hey,

Well i have had an idea about a kind of website for at least 5 months now i actually made a post about it a long time ago but i feel like i can't complete this idea on my own with out the help of other people or seeing if other people think its a good idea.

So im going to stop talking about the idea and just tell you...

Ok Here is goes

Wait let me stall for a little longer

ok i think im ready...

So I have this idea for a website that has a raffle sort of theme to It. Let me explain my self better.

Person #1

Have you ever seen a tv that you really wanted and you though wow wouldn't that look awesome in my living room i could show it off to my friends and watch football games on it. Well when you get up to that T.V. oh sh*t its a 1,500 dollar T.V. right away your excitement is killed and you release that the dream was nice while it lasted.

Person #2

Or the other side of the story is say that you see the 1,500 dollar T.V. you have the same dream as person number one. But you have the money though you really want the T.V. you are going to be responsible and save the money so you can take your family on a nice vacation over December.

Both People really want this T.V. But they don't 100% have the availability to by this T.v.

But what Happens if they only had to spend 150 dollars and still had a chance of winning the T.v. like in a raffle?

Well Imagine this a whole store of stuff but instead of buying the full T.V., Computer, Bed ... you only had to spend 1/10th of the money So lets go back to the example of the 1,500 dollar T.v. then in this case you would only have to spend 150 dollars which each person could easily spend and had the chance to win the T.v.

This is the idea: Have a whole store full with electronics when i say store i mean website. But have it so you can buy the whole product or spend 1/10th the amount of money 2/10ths the amount of money 9/10ths the amount of money or of course just buy the whole product. And still have a chance at winning it!

Now of course there would need to be other people to raffle on the products so for example if you bought 1/10th of the product then you would need 9 other people to also buy 1/10th of the product then one person would be picked.

So your probably thinking why would anyone ever do this because people who are for a loss of better words "cocky or over confident" or just gamblers will always have it in there head that they will be the first ones picked.

Now also your probably thinking but what about for the people who are the safe ones why would they ever do it? Well its because its really only a win, win, Tie situation.

How you might wonder because it would work out say you went into 10 raffles and somehow still not get picked the odds would be way against this but its going to happen to someone. Then once you have already gone in 10 times paying 10% you automaticly "win" the product. So pretty much you can't loose you can either get a big discount on the product or pay the amount that it originally was.

So basically for the safe person with the money there would be no point of doing this because you can buy 9/10ths of the product and just wait for one other person to buy 1/10th. Now the ods are by far that the person who bought 9/10ths of the product will easily "win"! and saves 150 bucks! But there is the chance that that person will loose the so what they already had the money so the only end up spending 150 more dollars and "win" the product.

But also there are the people who have a job and at the end of each money have lets say 300 dollars left to spend one what ever they want. Now say they really want this 1,500 dollar tv each month at the end they can buy 2/10ths of the T.V. after 5 Months they will no matter what have "won" this T.V. Or in there First month they can Win this T.V. so again a win, win situation.

Also another upside of this is that you will almost for sure have all of the customers who save money on there products. meaning that anyone who "wins" before spending 10/10 percent on the product will come back again when they want another product. Meaning you will have loyal customers which is key to a successful business. Why do you think the company apple is such a good company because there are thousands of people that are so loyal to apple they will not buy a electronic unless it is from apple.

Now There is a chance that this whole raffle this is against the law cause it could be gambling though it isn't really gambling cause everyone wins therefor no gamble.

Now you may be thinking why give this idea away.

Because I am pretty sure anyone who is capable of helping me put something like this together like the software, website, getting the site known will be honest an include me in the building of this website if they do use the idea. And would not steel it because i have proof it was my idea therefor would not be good for there rep.

But what about all the people who are not advanced enough to put this idea together then i honestly dont think they could pull together the resources / people to build a website like this.

Dont mean to offend anyone with the last comment.

Well anyway if you like the idea and think it could work don't hesitate to pm me

Eric

P.s. sorry for the long post took me like 15 minuets

[mmurtha]

Hey Eric,

You have to be very careful with raffles and stuff like that. I know they require a special license, plus doing something like that is considered gambling in many states here. I don't know about other countries, but it is in the US.

I'd make sure you get a good lawyer to go over that idea of yours, and offer some insight as to what you need as far as licenses go, and any insurance you may need.

Just a thought ...

Btw, there are some old posts in the older forum that go into "Raffles" in great depth. You might want to read some of them. Just go here and use the search function if it still works:

www.warriorforum.com/forum

[Tsnyder]

Eric...

Your idea is illegal in every state in the U.S.

Tsnyder

[Eric Land]

Originally Posted by Tsnyder

Eric...

Your idea is illegal in every state in the U.S.

Tsnyder

Yea thats what i figured But I was thinking what happens if we called it something besides raffleing. Like Percentage Buying..

Because i know there are ways of getting around stuff like this its done all the time two things i can think of: Calling waiters Modle's who wait so that the owners of a restaurant can fire a waiter if they look bad.

The U.s. government calling terrorist "something of war" so that they do not have to follow war laws with them.

I thought that it would end up being illegal but there could be away around it if you catch my drift.

Eric

[Jared Alberghini]

Eric, careful of this... if you do decide on going ahead with this, please advise legal council to make sure you do it 100% by the books.

Take a look at this recent 'auction/raffle' event attempt:

http://mysterydomainauction.com/

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How about running a contest instead?

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- Jared

[Eric Land]

Originally Posted by Jared Alberghini

Eric, careful of this... if you do decide on going ahead with this, please advise legal council to make sure you do it 100% by the books.

Take a look at this recent 'auction/raffle' event attempt:

http://mysterydomainauction.com/

Innovative Mystery Domain Auction Site Launches | Domain Name News

How about running a contest instead?

You can promote your contest through the following sites…

Contest Blogger
ThePrizeBlog
ContestHound
DisregardMe
ReviewWow
MyBlogContest
TheLinkBait
ContestBeat
Blog-Contests
TheContestWinner
MyBlogContests
AboutBlogContest
ContestBlogcat
Contester
SubmitYourContest

- Jared

Thank you for all of those sites i didn't go through all of them but are the basically what i just explained or different?

As well any lawyers on the site?

[deu12000]

I actually really like the idea. It's basically a layaway plan with a chance of getting the item for less money. At least that might be a legal way of structuring it. Of course in your layaway plan if the TV is worth $1500, you would actually charge $2000 to cover costs, expenses and stay profitable.

[Daniel Scott]

If you take legal advice from someone on a goddamn internet forum, you're a moron.

Go and see a REAL professional who knows what he's doing - not someone who just plays one on the 'net.

Secondly I don't see how you could make money on this project unless the TVs were stolen.

And I'm only half joking there.

-Dan

[Desmon G]

Originally Posted by Daniel Scott

If you take legal advice from someone on a goddamn internet forum, you're a moron.

Go and see a REAL professional who knows what he's doing - not someone who just plays one on the 'net.

Secondly I don't see how you could make money on this project unless the TVs were stolen.

And I'm only half joking there.

-Dan

Good point Daniel. You could get yourself into a real mess by trusting forum posters for legal advice.

[Dan C. Rinnert]

How you might wonder because it would work out say you went into 10 raffles and somehow still not get picked the odds would be way against this but its going to happen to someone. Then once you have already gone in 10 times paying 10% you automaticly "win" the product. So pretty much you can't loose you can either get a big discount on the product or pay the amount that it originally was.

What if you called it layaway?

Let's say I want that $1500 TV. Each month, I pay $150 on the layaway plan.

But, behind the scenes, you can keep track of the payments different people are making for the same item. So, if 10 people are paying on that TV, you can have your drawing. The winner gets the TV without making any further payments.

By setting up the layaway plan, I am guaranteed to get that TV after 10 payments totaling $1500. But, I might win the balance in a drawing, so I might end up getting the TV for $150 or $300 or so on.

Isn't that essentially what you're saying anyway? But, this way, you're running a site where you offer a layaway plan, but your USP is that you have drawings where they can win the balance owed and end up getting the product at a discount.

It's basically the same as what you've described, but this might actually be legal because it's not a raffle; it's a store that has monthly drawings/giveaways. You're not selling a chance at a TV; you're selling the TV and they just might get lucky and win a discount.

Mind you, I'm not a lawyer, but I think this would have a better chance of being legal.

[Dan C. Rinnert]

Originally Posted by deu12000

I actually really like the idea. It's basically a layaway plan with a chance of getting the item for less money. At least that might be a legal way of structuring it. Of course in your layaway plan if the TV is worth $1500, you would actually charge $2000 to cover costs, expenses and stay profitable.

Ha! You type faster than me.

[Eric Land]

Originally Posted by Daniel Scott

If you take legal advice from someone on a goddamn internet forum, you're a moron.

Go and see a REAL professional who knows what he's doing - not someone who just plays one on the 'net.

Secondly I don't see how you could make money on this project unless the TVs were stolen.

And I'm only half joking there.

-Dan

Well To respond to your very nice post not trying to make me feel dumb in anyway lol.

Obviously if i were to go through with this i would go to a lawyer and see if he could give me any advice.

But second of all you could be very profitable.

Because if you were to set up a business like this you wouldn't just be an affiliate of these electronics you sold. As a company you would get the T.v.s at wholesale prices because you would probably be buying so many.

Also You I have already thought about it you would have to be making more then .10 percent commissions on each product to make a profit very achievable most whole sale companies will give you 30-50 percent commission

[Eric Land]

Originally Posted by Dan C. Rinnert

What if you called it layaway?

Let's say I want that $1500 TV. Each month, I pay $150 on the layaway plan.

But, behind the scenes, you can keep track of the payments different people are making for the same item. So, if 10 people are paying on that TV, you can have your drawing. The winner gets the TV without making any further payments.

By setting up the layaway plan, I am guaranteed to get that TV after 10 payments totaling $1500. But, I might win the balance in a drawing, so I might end up getting the TV for $150 or $300 or so on.

Isn't that essentially what you're saying anyway? But, this way, you're running a site where you offer a layaway plan, but your USP is that you have drawings where they can win the balance owed and end up getting the product at a discount.

It's basically the same as what you've described, but this might actually be legal because it's not a raffle; it's a store that has monthly drawings/giveaways. You're not selling a chance at a TV; you're selling the TV and they just might get lucky and win a discount.

Mind you, I'm not a lawyer, but I think this would have a better chance of being legal.

At least one person with the same mind set as me It has potential thats all im saying

:P

[Sonomamike]

Here is a site that is basically gambling and most likely illegal but they seem to be making some serious cake........swoopo.com

[ElKabong48]

If its illegal in the U.S. how about asking some of our over-seas bros what what they would like to buy a raffle ticket on?

[Jon Alexander]

Originally Posted by Eric Land

Hey,

Well i have had an idea about a kind of website for at least 5 months now i actually made a post about it a long time ago but i feel like i can't complete this idea on my own with out the help of other people or seeing if other people think its a good idea.

So im going to stop talking about the idea and just tell you...

Ok Here is goes

Wait let me stall for a little longer

ok i think im ready...

So I have this idea for a website that has a raffle sort of theme to It. Let me explain my self better.

Person #1

Have you ever seen a tv that you really wanted and you though wow wouldn't that look awesome in my living room i could show it off to my friends and watch football games on it. Well when you get up to that T.V. oh sh*t its a 1,500 dollar T.V. right away your excitement is killed and you release that the dream was nice while it lasted.

Person #2

Or the other side of the story is say that you see the 1,500 dollar T.V. you have the same dream as person number one. But you have the money though you really want the T.V. you are going to be responsible and save the money so you can take your family on a nice vacation over December.

Both People really want this T.V. But they don't 100% have the availability to by this T.v.

But what Happens if they only had to spend 150 dollars and still had a chance of winning the T.v. like in a raffle?

Well Imagine this a whole store of stuff but instead of buying the full T.V., Computer, Bed ... you only had to spend 1/10th of the money So lets go back to the example of the 1,500 dollar T.v. then in this case you would only have to spend 150 dollars which each person could easily spend and had the chance to win the T.v.

This is the idea: Have a whole store full with electronics when i say store i mean website. But have it so you can buy the whole product or spend 1/10th the amount of money 2/10ths the amount of money 9/10ths the amount of money or of course just buy the whole product. And still have a chance at winning it!

Now of course there would need to be other people to raffle on the products so for example if you bought 1/10th of the product then you would need 9 other people to also buy 1/10th of the product then one person would be picked.

So your probably thinking why would anyone ever do this because people who are for a loss of better words "cocky or over confident" or just gamblers will always have it in there head that they will be the first ones picked.

Now also your probably thinking but what about for the people who are the safe ones why would they ever do it? Well its because its really only a win, win, Tie situation.

How you might wonder because it would work out say you went into 10 raffles and somehow still not get picked the odds would be way against this but its going to happen to someone. Then once you have already gone in 10 times paying 10% you automaticly "win" the product. So pretty much you can't loose you can either get a big discount on the product or pay the amount that it originally was.

So basically for the safe person with the money there would be no point of doing this because you can buy 9/10ths of the product and just wait for one other person to buy 1/10th. Now the ods are by far that the person who bought 9/10ths of the product will easily "win"! and saves 150 bucks! But there is the chance that that person will loose the so what they already had the money so the only end up spending 150 more dollars and "win" the product.

But also there are the people who have a job and at the end of each money have lets say 300 dollars left to spend one what ever they want. Now say they really want this 1,500 dollar tv each month at the end they can buy 2/10ths of the T.V. after 5 Months they will no matter what have "won" this T.V. Or in there First month they can Win this T.V. so again a win, win situation.

Also another upside of this is that you will almost for sure have all of the customers who save money on there products. meaning that anyone who "wins" before spending 10/10 percent on the product will come back again when they want another product. Meaning you will have loyal customers which is key to a successful business. Why do you think the company apple is such a good company because there are thousands of people that are so loyal to apple they will not buy a electronic unless it is from apple.

Now There is a chance that this whole raffle this is against the law cause it could be gambling though it isn't really gambling cause everyone wins therefor no gamble.

Now you may be thinking why give this idea away.

Because I am pretty sure anyone who is capable of helping me put something like this together like the software, website, getting the site known will be honest an include me in the building of this website if they do use the idea. And would not steel it because i have proof it was my idea therefor would not be good for there rep.

But what about all the people who are not advanced enough to put this idea together then i honestly dont think they could pull together the resources / people to build a website like this.

Dont mean to offend anyone with the last comment.

Well anyway if you like the idea and think it could work don't hesitate to pm me

Eric

P.s. sorry for the long post took me like 15 minuets

sounds like 'letsbuyit.com' (which went bust) or that dodgy german site that hit the news recently.

[Eric Land]

Originally Posted by ElKabong48

If its illegal in the U.S. how about asking some of our over-seas bros what what they would like to buy a raffle ticket on?

Well i was thinking if the website or store is in las vegas or an Indian Territory then it could be legal correct?