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13 years ago

The fact is that the best information is not always first on google rankings. Some nuclear scientist can make the best article there is but if they do not use at least basic SEO there is not way that article can do well.

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Steven Wagenheim

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Daniel Wilson

The fact is that the best information is not always first on google rankings. Some nuclear scientist can make the best article there is but if they do not use at least basic SEO there is not way that article can do well.

The problem is, the SEO for this site (actually it's 2 sites) is off the charts.
There is no way this site shouldn't be number 1 or 2.

But at least list it.

24 pages into my search (24!) the site STILL never came up...neither of them.

That is simply a case of Google censorship...not relevancy or good SEO.

Big difference.

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Fraggler 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

The problem is, the SEO for this site (actually it's 2 sites) is off the charts.
There is no way this site shouldn't be number 1 or 2.

Hi Steven,

The problem could be something that has happened in the history of the domain/site that you are unaware of and the site has either been penalised or maybe deindexed.

Do a quick site:domain.com and see what you get. You can also take a unique sentance off the homepage and see if that returns the expected page.

If not then Google has deindexed the site.

If it does then start your search (that you think should return the domain) from result 1000 and work backwards. Change your settings to show 100 results at a time. It it turns up in the last few pages of results then it is being filtered out.

Also, would the 'Safe moderation' setting be filtering out the results? I just say this because you mentioned controversial.

And one more thing, it is possible that the site is blocking Google. Sometimes you can access robots.txt or check for noindex tags in the source code.
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13 years ago

Hey Steven,

Why do you think Google does that? I'm sure they must be aware of this issue.

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13 years ago

Hmmm, this is disturbing news ...

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13 years ago

What makes it a controversial niche? Probably that's the main reason why you can't find it on the first page on Google.

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Steven Wagenheim 13 years ago

Originally Posted by savvybizbuilder

What makes it a controversial niche? Probably that's the main reason why you can't find it on the first page on Google.

Forget first page. 24 pages in and I couldn't find it.

Why does Bing have the site on page 1?

This is censorship...plain and simple.
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- Anonymous Affiliate 13 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim
  
  Forget first page. 24 pages in and I couldn't find it.
  
  Why does Bing have the site on page 1?
  
  This is censorship...plain and simple.
  
  They were probably slapped by Google. Maybe they did some black-hat SEO that raised Google's flags?
  
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  John Romaine 13 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Anonymous Affiliate
  
  They were probably slapped by Google. Maybe they did some black-hat SEO that raised Google's flags?
  
  Yeah, they mustve accumulated too many backlinks too quickly :rolleyes:
  
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mattlaclear

13 years ago

Google operates it's algorithm leaning mostly on social proof. If a site doesn't have any other sites linking to it they figure the content is not worthy enough to display on page one of their serps.

There was a time before the social proof era began that G judged sites based mostly on onpage optimization criteria.

But those days are long gone I'm afraid.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by mattlaclear

Google operates it's algorithm leaning mostly on social proof. If a site doesn't have any other sites linking to it they figure the content is not worthy enough to display on page one of their serps.

There was a time before the social proof era began that G judged sites based mostly on onpage optimization criteria.

But those days are long gone I'm afraid.

If you want to go by social proof, this site is linked to from just about
every site in the niche. So you can throw that one out the window too.

Based on everything we know about finding a "relevant" site when looking for
something, there is no way this site shouldn't be on page one. And 24 pages
into a search should CERTAINLY at least bring up this site once.

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mattlaclear

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

If you want to go by social proof, this site is linked to from just about
every site in the niche. So you can throw that one out the window too.

Based on everything we know about finding a "relevant" site when looking for
something, there is no way this site shouldn't be on page one. And 24 pages
into a search should CERTAINLY at least bring up this site once.

I don't go by social proof. Google does. If the site you are talking about does not have that many backlinks then you may be the only one who thinks the info is relevant.

Like it or not social proof is the best method G has to keep their serps clean. Can that method be gamed? For sure. But that doesn't mean SP doesn't work better than any other method they used.

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Steven Wagenheim

13 years ago

Originally Posted by mattlaclear

I don't go by social proof. Google does. If the site you are talking about does not have that many backlinks then you may be the only one who thinks the info is relevant.

Like it or not social proof is the best method G has to keep their serps clean. Can that method be gamed? For sure. But that doesn't mean SP doesn't work better than any other method they used.

If Google goes by social proof, this site should be number 1.

If Google goes by content, this site should be number 1.

If Google goes by how old the site is, this site should be number 1.

If Google goes by anything we know to be true about how a site ranks,
this site should be number 1...let alone NOT show up at all 24 pages through
my search.

There is no reason whatsoever for this site to be excluded from their listings.

NONE.

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mattlaclear

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

If Google goes by social proof, this site should be number 1.

If Google goes by content, this site should be number 1.

If Google goes by how old the site is, this site should be number 1.

If Google goes by anything we know to be true about how a site ranks,
this site should be number 1...let alone NOT show up at all 24 pages through
my search.

There is no reason whatsoever for this site to be excluded from their listings.

NONE.

According to you Steve. If enough others feel the same way they will link to it. When they do it's ranking will improve. What is so hard to understand about that?

Edit:

If you like you can send me the link and I'll have my team backlink it to prove to you what I am saying is true. I guarantee you the ranking will increase.

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John Romaine

13 years ago

Originally Posted by mattlaclear

According to you Steve. If enough others feel the same way they will link to it. When they do it's ranking will improve. What is so hard to understand about that?

Edit:

If you like you can send me the link and I'll have my team backlink it to prove to you what I am saying is true. I guarantee you the ranking will increase.

Matt, slightly off topic, but do you use SEO hosting?

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mattlaclear 13 years ago

Originally Posted by ramone_johnny

Matt, slightly off topic, but do you use SEO hosting?

We are currently using close to a dozen different SEO hosts.
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DeadGuy 13 years ago

Maybe I'm not completely understanding this thread. To make a leap from a particular video site not ranking in a controversial niche against what Google believes are more relevant sites, to a universal truth that consumers and marketers should go elsewhere because Google is jaded, is a bit of a stretch.
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Steven Wagenheim

13 years ago

Originally Posted by mattlaclear

According to you Steve. If enough others feel the same way they will link to it. When they do it's ranking will improve. What is so hard to understand about that?

Edit:

If you like you can send me the link and I'll have my team backlink it to prove to you what I am saying is true. I guarantee you the ranking will increase.

Am I speaking Martian? I have already said that this site has more backlinks
that Imelda Marcos has shoes. It doesn't need more backlinks. It doesn't
need more content. It doesn't need more of anything.

The site isn't listed in the videos for one reason and one reason only.

Google finds it extremely offensive and refuses to include it in its video
results, even though the YouTube videos in the same niche don't truly
represent the content that users are looking for.

As for giving you the link, sorry. As I said, it's a very controversial niche
and not something I want to be associated with in any way, even knowing
it exists. So I will have to decline your offer.

But tell you what, and I put this challenge to any of the members here.

Think of the most disgusting, vile niches you can think of. Go to Google
videos and do a search and then go to Bing and do the same search and
take a look at the difference.

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mattlaclear

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

Am I speaking Martian? I have already said that this site has more backlinks
that Imelda Marcos has shoes. It doesn't need more backlinks. It doesn't
need more content. It doesn't need more of anything.

The site isn't listed in the videos for one reason and one reason only.

Google finds it extremely offensive and refuses to include it in its video
results, even though the YouTube videos in the same niche don't truly
represent the content that users are looking for.

As for giving you the link, sorry. As I said, it's a very controversial niche
and not something I want to be associated with in any way, even knowing
it exists. So I will have to decline your offer.

But tell you what, and I put this challenge to any of the members here.

Think of the most disgusting, vile niches you can think of. Go to Google
videos and do a search and then go to Bing and do the same search and
take a look at the difference.

Martian? Nope. I have no problem with your prose. Just your assumption that G is not relevant.

I ABSOLUTELY guarantee you that the site would increase in the serps with more links. But sadly that will never be able to be proven given the fact you cannot share the link.

You know Warriors are pretty open and forgiving here Steven. They won't shun you just because you happen to like watching and singing along to Justin Bieber videos.

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Steven Wagenheim

13 years ago

Originally Posted by mattlaclear

Martian? Nope. I have no problem with your prose. Just your assumption that G is not relevant.

I ABSOLUTELY guarantee you that the site would increase in the serps with more links. But sadly that will never be able to be proven given the fact you cannot share the link.

You know Warriors are pretty open and forgiving here Steven. They won't shun you just because you happen to like watching and singing along to Justin Bieber videos.

I'm not even talking about increasing in the rankings. I'm talking about a site
that doesn't show up in the video results at all.

It seems strange to me that a site that shows up on page 1 and practically
dominates the listings over at Bing doesn't show up at Google at all.

The YouTube videos that Google DOES list are watered down versions of
this niche and NOT what die hard fans of the niche would be looking for.
They would absolutely be looking for what the other site has to offer...a
site that doesn't get listed at all.

My point, for those who don't get it is simple.

If you're a consumer and you're looking for something and you know for a
fact that a certain site in a certain niche that SHOULD appear at the top
of the results doesn't get listed at all, but DOES get listed at other search
engines and AT the top of the results, are you likely to trust the search
engine that DOESN'T list this top site or the one(s) that DO?

Naturally, this is a personal preference, but me...I will trust the site that
I feel (based on what I know of how sites get ranked when the fix isn't
in) gives me the most relevant results.

And from what I've seen, it's NOT Google.

And as Suzanne has said, from her own findings, Google's results are not
what one would expect to find for other niches as well.

Sure, if you want to nit pick between two sites that are relatively close
together for say, "selling DVDs" yeah, it's a toss up as far as who is the
top site.

But to glaringly omit a site that is generally considered the top site in a
niche (not list it AT ALL)...I'm sorry, but something is terribly wrong here.

Naturally, this is just my opinion. And as for the person who said he's glad
that Google uses censorship (if that is in fact what they're doing) I'm sorry,
but censorship, no matter what it is, is wrong. I don't want to turn this
thread political so I'll leave it at that.

Take what you want from my little test, but in my eyes, Google's relevancy
factor took a major hit today.

Again, just my opinion.

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Gee S

13 years ago

I for one am pretty glad there is a bit of censorship when it comes to vile and disgusting niches. Would you want any kids coming across any of those videos? I know I wouldn't. Google have a responsibility to their users and to younger people who use their services. If they feel as though something should be excluded then I'm sure they've done it for good reason. In fact, Bing should probably take note.

And one other thing, just because this niche or certain other niches don't show relevant results because of their offensive nature doesn't mean that Google provides results which aren't relevant in general as your thread title suggests.

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

.......

Think of the most disgusting, vile niches you can think of. Go to Google
videos and do a search and then go to Bing and do the same search and
take a look at the difference.

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John Romaine 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

Think of the most disgusting, vile niches you can think of.

God. What the hell are you looking at over there Steven?
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- ShayB 13 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim
  
  Think of the most disgusting, vile niches you can think of.
  
  Originally Posted by ramone_johnny
  
  God. What the hell are you looking at over there Steven?
  
  .....have you been searching for my sites again, Steven?
  
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art72

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

If Google goes by social proof, this site should be number 1.

If Google goes by content, this site should be number 1.

If Google goes by how old the site is, this site should be number 1.

If Google goes by anything we know to be true about how a site ranks,
this site should be number 1...let alone NOT show up at all 24 pages through
my search.

There is no reason whatsoever for this site to be excluded from their listings.

NONE.

Unless it's been sandboxed...perhaps

I agree that there is bias there, yet in ten days I managed to get a site indexed and in the 4th slot (right below 2 YouTube Videos, and the #1 slot which is the product creator's site) and I'll be the first to admit....I probably don't deserve to be ranked so high.

While I am building relevant back-links in an effort not to lose traction, not sure if I'll be there long...LOL

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

If Google goes by social proof, this site should be number 1.

If Google goes by content, this site should be number 1.

If Google goes by how old the site is, this site should be number 1.

If Google goes by anything we know to be true about how a site ranks,
this site should be number 1...let alone NOT show up at all 24 pages through
my search.

There is no reason whatsoever for this site to be excluded from their listings.

NONE.

There are around 200 elements that make up the Google search result. You are focusing on 3. So when you say there is no reason what so ever, by my maths there are 197.

Google has always said that the key to ranking is quality content that people want to share. What you are saying is that approach is a waste of time. I think I prefer to listed to Google.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by mattlaclear

Google operates it's algorithm leaning mostly on social proof. If a site doesn't have any other sites linking to it they figure the content is not worthy enough to display on page one of their serps.

There was a time before the social proof era began that G judged sites based mostly on onpage optimization criteria.

But those days are long gone I'm afraid.

We can all thank the spammers out there that had no intentions of bettering the internet by putting out crap content and trying to manipulate the system. This is why Google never wants you to know what it's doing.

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Lloyd Buchinski

13 years ago

I had a search lately where the bing results were much better than Google's. I don't know if this was related to censorship, but I just wanted to mention that. It was just from a 'looking for information' perspective. It did surprise me, and I'll be checking what they have to say much more often.

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John Romaine

13 years ago

I wonder how many marketers focus on Bing?

Probably less contaminated over there

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Miguelito203 13 years ago

Originally Posted by ramone_johnny

I wonder how many marketers focus on Bing?

Probably less contaminated over there

I don't focus on Bing, but I have noticed that I have been getting more and more traffic from it. That being said, the amount of traffic I get from it doesn't compare to that of Google. On some days, the traffic I get from Bing is the same or a bit more than Yahoo, but generally speaking, it comes in third place on a regular basis.

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George Wright 13 years ago

Originally Posted by ramone_johnny

I wonder how many marketers focus on Bing?

Probably less contaminated over there

Just give it time. OOps, did I say that out loud?
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nbw

13 years ago

I've given up trying to figure out what Google wants. It's an exercise in futility.
You can have a great site full of great unique compelling content rank nowhere and a crappy Youtube video that's not at all relevant ranking on page 1 - why? Google owns Youtube.

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mattlaclear

13 years ago

Originally Posted by nbw

I've given up trying to figure out what Google wants. It's an exercise in futility.
You can have a great site full of great unique compelling content rank nowhere and a crappy Youtube video that's not at all relevant ranking on page 1 - why? Google owns Youtube.

Do you know how many people post Youtube videos on their blogs? Every time a video is posted on another site it counts as a backlink to that video. Google sees the backlinks and counts them as social proof that the video is relevant to it's search term.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by nbw

I've given up trying to figure out what Google wants. It's an exercise in futility.
You can have a great site full of great unique compelling content rank nowhere and a crappy Youtube video that's not at all relevant ranking on page 1 - why? Google owns Youtube.

Instead of just giving up, invest some time and money to learn SEO.

You'll be glad you did.

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Newbieee

13 years ago

yes, google is bias.

but unfortunately if u are a marketer u have to use google.
actually there are other ways, but if u want seo then u have to focus on google.

BUT i will agree with what he says, for consumer u have to use else where.
Or u just gotta think harder what to type in the box for ur result to come up.

but i understand what he says, cos sometimes no matter how hard u try u just cant find the ones u are looking for.
then when u go to bing or yahoo suddenly its like magic, and u fall in love with them again.

lol

google is like a fling.
remember the days where we used yahoo and bing.

then when google came along we all flocked to google.

google is like a pretty lady, most guys will go after as a fling. lol

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John Romaine

13 years ago

Why not do your part Steve and chuck the link up?

Be sure to make it "keyword rich"

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Banned 13 years ago

Even without censorship of a controversial topic, I think Google has lost a lot of relevancy. The first top half of Page 1 for anything is all about Google. Youtube videos when you're not looking for videos, shopping results when you have no interest in shopping, Google News results when you aren't looking for news. Then add in all the content farms like ehow and Wikipedia, and you have to go to at least the bottom of the page to get to results that might be closer to what you are looking for.

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Rob Howard

13 years ago

Steve, I think you should take up Matt's offer - I think this would be a solid test of what you say, and could possibly turn into a great thread that teaches a lot of people about SEO.

Just my thoughts

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

By using Bing, I got results that were much more relevant. In fact, I'll go as far as to say you can take Google's results and flush them down the toilet

(Microsoft dance)

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IMRookie1

13 years ago

vile, disgusting niches? if it's porn then yeah it's probably censored. i just did google search on porn and no youtube videos on first page though.

i'm probably too clean though to think of controversial, vile, disgusting niches so I'll just watch the thread.

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PPC-Coach

13 years ago

You just realized that we see the internet through Google's eyes?

They filter out whatever they do not like and we get to see only what they want us to see. Now they're talking about putting all your information on their servers so you can access it anywhere on any device. Didn't anyone see the first Terminator movies? We're about 2 steps away from Skynet/Googlenet going bonkers and wiping us all out!

(Well maybe not that far, but they have far too much say in what we see in what we don't).

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JoeUK

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

I'll make this real short.

I found a niche site that is absolutely the authority site on this niche. In
fact, the site blew me away.

I did a test. I did a search for this niche site that I knew would be
controversial, looking for certain videos.

Google's results were ALL for YouTube even though the videos, quite honestly,
were not all that relevant. None of the videos went back to this site I found.

When I went to Bing and did the same search, sites that were absolutely
more relevant came up in the search.

Google will show what it wants to show...period, regardless of how relevant
you think a site is or should be. Had I just used Google for my search, I
would have never found what I was looking for. By using Bing, I got results
that were much more relevant.

In fact, I'll go as far as to say you can take Google's results and flush them
down the toilet for many niches, not just this particular one.

Sadly, if you're a marketer, you need to rank at Google because they get
the majority of the traffic. But as a consumer, if you're looking for stuff, do
yourself a favor...go elsewhere.

Google's bias, especially in regard to controversial niches, is a joke.

I've noticed this a great deal too with a variety of sites, and it does make you wonder doesn't it...

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13 years ago

Really? There was rumor that Bing copied the search result from Google.

BTW, what's the controversial niche?

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Terry Hatfield

13 years ago

Google has to have non relevant results. If everyone who searched for something was able to click into the first organic listing and find what they wanted then no one would be left to click on their adwords ads on the right side of the results page.

They will list a whole page of authority sites on the first page who doesn't even come close to being relevant.

Then you get down to page 2, 3, 4 etc. you will find pages although highly relevant and exactly what you are looking for they have no authority or back links.

Try searching for your phrase in quotes and you will get more relevant results. Which makes you wonder why Google doesn't return the quoted results instead of a broad result.

I have complained about Google for years delivering non-relevant results, when they could just as easily returned more relevant results by putting quotes around our phrase for us and returning those results instead.

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C A Perez

13 years ago

Steve,

A funny thing happened on the way to the forum, I just happened to be on Chapter 15 of A. Goldman's book. "Everything I Know About Marketing I Learned from Google". And I quote, "Search for your favorite private desire on Google video, and you have to click at least twice to view the video, and that's assumming the provider hasn't interjected all kinds of barriers. Do the same search on Bing, hover your mouse over the videos, and you never have to click again."

Maybe it is censoring. Then again maybe it is stated policy. I haven't checked Google's TOS or Policy on the subject, but they might restrict content much like some of our more popular article directories.

I t could be a Google burp or as some call it. a "Google Dance".

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Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

I'll make this real short.

I found a niche site that is absolutely the authority site on this niche. In
fact, the site blew me away.

I did a test. I did a search for this niche site that I knew would be
controversial, looking for certain videos.

Google's results were ALL for YouTube even though the videos, quite honestly,
were not all that relevant. None of the videos went back to this site I found.

When I went to Bing and did the same search, sites that were absolutely
more relevant came up in the search.

Google will show what it wants to show...period, regardless of how relevant
you think a site is or should be. Had I just used Google for my search, I
would have never found what I was looking for. By using Bing, I got results
that were much more relevant.

In fact, I'll go as far as to say you can take Google's results and flush them
down the toilet for many niches, not just this particular one.

Sadly, if you're a marketer, you need to rank at Google because they get
the majority of the traffic. But as a consumer, if you're looking for stuff, do
yourself a favor...go elsewhere.

Google's bias, especially in regard to controversial niches, is a joke.

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Bill Farnham

13 years ago

Steven,

I find myself regularly going several pages into G's serps before I find relevent webpages for my searches. I think it's just the nature of the beast at this point. As Matt has clearly implied, any webpage with enough 'social proof', e.g. backlinks, can rank well in G without the need for true relevance or authority.

And as Terry Hatfield pointed out...

Google has to have non relevant results. If everyone who searched for something was able to click into the first organic listing and find what they wanted then no one would be left to click on their adwords ads on the right side of the results page.

Google isn't sitting on tens of Billions of dollars in cash because they are altruistic, they made that money by being shrewd. Almost to the point of criminality if you believe the lawsuits and judgements both current and forthcoming that are being brought to light.

And just because G doesn't show relevant results for your searches doesn't mean they don't log your requests against your profile. When you say "Think of the most disgusting, vile niches you can think of..." remember, you're being watched...

~Bill

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HeySal

13 years ago

I do research and was really stoked when the panda thing came down. I figured it would be easier to get good results.

Nadda - even deep searches are going to hell in a hand basket. I ask you when you search "Michigan" in parenthesis and it's giving you different states and info that doesn't match one of your other keywords - what are they doing? I do know I can open my browser and do nothing but google searches and close that browser and my better privacy will be deleting dozens of LSO cookies. That's without actually clicking on anything - just browsing over pages of crap results.

Steve. Of course there is censorship. You must have missed the little disinformation campaign that went on a few years ago. Ask yourself - Is google a corporation? Of course there will be censorship. That's why you can see a piece of very damning news now and again and go back a few minutes later and not find it anywhere even if it was prevalent enough that it should have been trending just a few minutes before hand.

Anyhow - I go to Bing most often for research. I don't have all day to sort through pages of sales crap when I need to find info. I was hoping for WolfRam, but I've never been able to get that one to even work let alone be useful.

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Joshua Rigley

Banned 13 years ago

I can't help but feel a morbid curiosity of what the niche is. And now that Steve won't share, I want to know what it is even more. Clever marketing (not saying Steve is trying to sell something here). Just saying.

Steve, if it's pornographic in nature, then of course it's going to be censored on YouTube, as they don't allow that sort of thing (last I checked).

And are you sure it doesn't show up in Google's search engine at all? Have you tried doing a "site:" search to see if any pages are indexed?

I'm going to be spending the rest of my day trying to figure out what niche you're talking about. Too bad I can't read minds. :p

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tpw

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

I did a test. I did a search for this niche site that I knew would be
controversial, looking for certain videos.

Google's results were ALL for YouTube even though the videos, quite honestly,
were not all that relevant. None of the videos went back to this site I found.

When I went to Bing and did the same search, sites that were absolutely
more relevant came up in the search.

I have been saying this since at least 2009.

But every time I do, the Google Kool-aid drinkers try to roast me alive. :rolleyes:

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CDarklock 13 years ago

Originally Posted by tpw

I have been saying this since at least 2009.

I can vouch for this, since he's always been one of the few people who agrees with me on the matter.
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williamd52 13 years ago

Amen brother.
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terrapurus 13 years ago

Originally Posted by tpw

I have been saying this since at least 2009.

But every time I do, the Google Kool-aid drinkers try to roast me alive. :rolleyes:

To me that sounded like a good test to see where the two compared. So I picked a controversial topic (and given the date, the choice was obvious) and did a broad search (AUS location).

imgur: the simple image sharer

imgur: the simple image sharer

In comparison, the 2 results are similar.

Who presents more video - Bing (4 youtube vids to 1)

Who presents recent news - Google (Bing has none, Google has 2).

For me, the news addition makes the search just a little more relevant.
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SteveJames

13 years ago

Google is King of the search engines. You have to play by their rules. Make sure your keywords appear many times in your content and use SEO

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celente

13 years ago

I agree with this, and I think google notices this.

it is annoying for 2 of the niches I ranked well for are now burried and sort of lost. So I know exactly what steven is trying to say.

Your quote of "Google's bias, especially in regard to controversial niches, is a joke" is correct 110%
because one of the niches I use to rank for is defanatly in what I would call a controversial niche. And it is a joke yes.

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dnvgoods

13 years ago

I see what you mean, I search on Google for my site and I show up 2nd 3rd page. But on bing,yahoo I pop up quickly. I hate that.. And I know the ones in the top get all the traffic. Google sucks-but we need them.

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HeySal

13 years ago

Originally Posted by 51XP4CK

google suck and you have to be an expert if you want to know how to google.

when i google i look for forums and go deep into searches, avarage googlers will get the junk top resaults. sad.

My deep research has got to crap, too, lately. I tried about three different ways to get a .gov site list up the other day and still got useless irrelevant stuff -- then I put a URL in search and google didn't even give me the URL in the first page - so I thought I had the URL wrong and just put it in the browser search and there it was, just fine. I've only tested it on the one URL - don't need to do more testing to see something is very wrong.

I'm going to go find my tinfoil. I think I'm being purposely dumbed down and directed. And I'm getting a little miffed that those LSO cookies are still being dropped, too. There was supposed to be legislation to illegalize them. Guess they changed their mind when the facial recognition ap was announced.

Steve - tpw - CD -- move over, there's 4 at this party now.

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