Spun Articles. What say you?

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Do you spin articles? Do you think it's perfectly fine or do you believe that spun articles are like trash dumped in the ocean?
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  • Profile picture of the author tpw
    Should be a multiple choice poll instead.

    About 5% of the people who spin articles fall into the first group.

    The other 95% fall into the second group.
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    • Profile picture of the author Scott Ames
      Originally Posted by tpw View Post

      Should be a multiple choice poll instead.

      About 5% of the people who spin articles fall into the first group.

      The other 95% fall into the second group.
      Maybe so! Let's see how this poll goes. Maybe the topic deserves another type of poll.
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      • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
        I don't spin articles.

        As for the practice of spinning itself, if I can't tell an article has been spun, I don't care.

        The ones I can tell have been spun mostly fall into the 'garbage' category.
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  • Profile picture of the author DarrenHaynes
    I spin like a top, but I take a lot of care to make sure I choose great synonyms and produce readable articles. I don't think spun articles are so bad unless you do the one button spin thing and create illegible articles. I use spinningmostly for backlinking the WEB 2.0's and guest posts that point to my money sites.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Funny ... it feels like no time at all since most of this recent thread's 170+ posts explained in such detail why most professional article marketers think it's a waste of time, and based on fallacies and mistaken beliefs about "duplicate content".

      As I remember, there were two or three people promoting spinning services who disliked the thread and disagreed with everyone else, but that's always going to be so, you know? However often it's discussed, there'll always be a small handful of people, with financial interests of their own involved, dissenting from the widespread agreement on this subject.
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    • Profile picture of the author RayWhittaker
      I've spun articles too but as DarrenHaynes says, you have to make sure you choose your synonyms carefully so that whichever synonym is used, the article will still read sensibly.

      Lately though, I've taken to just posting two versions. One for my own sites that I've carried out some SEO on. The other for article syndication that I haven't bothered using SEO on. And for that I do a complete re-write.

      The article syndication is just for backlinks to help the original article to rank in Google.
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  • Profile picture of the author mtnmom5
    UAW creates great spun articles if you do it right. ( AND if you use correct grammar in the first article, the spun ones should be fine. ) I have come across a lot of badly spun articles and they are garbage.
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  • Profile picture of the author angmoore
    Depends on what you are using the article for. If you do it yourself you know you are going to have something unique. I have yet to see a program that makes sense 100% and it takes just as long when we do it ourselves anyway so...
    Mostly we write our own but we do spin some content for a couple of blogs we do pro-bono for some folks. Just start with solid content to begin with and change it up as much as you can. Better to use it as more of a guideline or outline than as the main product and do little to it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Aviator Joe
    depends how well you spin them
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  • Profile picture of the author Mou
    Depends!

    If you really take care and do good manual spinning, it pays dividend

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  • Profile picture of the author ArwenTaylor
    Most of the spun articles I've encountered on the internet are garbage. I even ran into one of my articles that I wrote for a content directory that had been spun. Unfortunately it had my name on it but maybe I should count myself lucky that it didn't link to my website so people didn't actually think I was associated with that piece of crap.

    I think you can successfully spin an article if you put some thought and effort into it. But you might as well simply rewrite the article for all the time that is required to do it right.
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  • Profile picture of the author g36
    It's perfectly legit. In fact most of my (old) articles were spun articles.
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  • Profile picture of the author hdavies
    Spun articles, in my experience, provide better 'link juice' than profile links and I personally use one of the more popular article submitters as a way to index other links. I just submit a spun article with the links I want to index in the resource box.

    Obviously I spin the links together, so the software picks out 1 randomly on each submission.

    The articles probably wont all be indexed due to being duplicate content, but Google will still crawl them and find the links in the resource box.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by hdavies View Post

      Spun articles, in my experience, provide better 'link juice' than profile links
      What you're actually saying here is that article submission sites, overall, provide better link-juice than profiles. That's perfectly true (though they're both pretty bad, collectively), but it has nothing to do with whether they're "spun".

      The value of a given backlink, on a given page, doesn't somehow magically improve because the content to which it's attached is "spun" rather than "syndicated".

      In other words, your observation's entirely valid, as far as it goes, but it actually has nothing to do with "spinning" at all.

      Originally Posted by hdavies View Post

      The articles probably wont all be indexed due to being duplicate content, but Google will still crawl them and find the links in the resource box.
      If Google finds them and credits the backlink(s), then they're "indexed", for backlinking purposes, aren't they? Sometimes in the supplemental index instead of in the main index, but the backlink still "counts". And they're not "duplicate content", for these purposes, anyway. This little article explaining what "duplicate content" means, in this context, may help you.

      This concurrent thread may also interest you.
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      • Profile picture of the author hdavies
        If Google finds them and credits the backlink(s), then they're "indexed", for backlinking purposes, aren't they? Maybe in the supplemental index instead of in the main index, but the backlink still "counts".
        That's correct. I think however that the power of the back-link is increased if the page it comes from is in the main Google index, as opposed to the supplemental one. Google only puts content in its main index if it thinks that it is of some value to internet users, therefore the power of the link 'should' be increased.

        This is where spinning comes in. In my experience if I submit a spun article I have a greater chance of getting more articles in the main Google index than if I submit the exact same article (not spun) to many directories.

        500 submissions of the same (syndicated) article may only provide 20 in the main index.

        500 submissions of a spun article may get me 100+ articles in the main index.

        Just speaking from my personal experience, others may differ...
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        • Profile picture of the author Tina Golden
          I voted for the first option - spinning is fine when done right.

          And for the record, I don't spin. I frequently rewrite an article but I don't use spinning software as I find it incredibly tedious and takes me longer than simply rewriting it.

          I agree that most spun content is garbage but I also think that a good chunk of "hand"-written content is garbage, too. Both are polluting the internet so I don't see how anyone could say that one is worse than the other.
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          • Profile picture of the author RayWhittaker
            Originally Posted by Tina Golden View Post

            I agree that most spun content is garbage but I also think that a good chunk of "hand"-written content is garbage, too. Both are polluting the internet so I don't see how anyone could say that one is worse than the other.
            Hand written content is at least readable (usually anyway). And quality is like beauty; it's in the eye of the beholder.

            Spinning software is okay if you use it to spin manually. Check that the synonyms actually fit in every incarnation of the article. It's autospinning that really screws up an article. What you end up with is completely unintelligable; or just barely readable at best.
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          • Profile picture of the author Suellen Reitz
            Originally Posted by Tina Golden View Post

            I voted for the first option - spinning is fine when done right.

            And for the record, I don't spin. I frequently rewrite an article but I don't use spinning software as I find it incredibly tedious and takes me longer than simply rewriting it.

            I agree that most spun content is garbage but I also think that a good chunk of "hand"-written content is garbage, too. Both are polluting the internet so I don't see how anyone could say that one is worse than the other.

            I agree with you Tina... I don't like spinners because I prefer to just rewrite. However... there are lots of folks in internet marketing that aren't the best writers! Too bad people don't use fivver more or something similar to get something started.

            As a test, I wrote an article 3 times and submitted to fivver for the articles to be used with Unique Article Wizard. Because I had written the articles separately, the "spun" vesions sounded fine. And for 3 articles to wind up in close to 400 links .... not too bad. But the idea of using those {} brackets and all.... forget it! Not my style.
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  • Profile picture of the author Henry White
    The money is in spinning sales copy.
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  • Profile picture of the author johnben1444
    The search engine can identify this spun content and that makes it useless spinning articles. Another thing, you can very much use a spinning tool to spin article to 100 percent uniqueness but it would require one to go extra miles like adding contenting, creating paragraph and more and if you come to look at the time you are going to spend doing that, you are better off not writing a new one. Except, ofcourse, you are a slow writer or don't have idea on the niche.

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    • Profile picture of the author C A Perez
      This subject comes up so often and the debate at times becomes heated. I think the reason it comes up so often is that it lacks a definition. I posted this on my blog a while back: What is meant by spinning an article?

      Definitions

      Traditionally, spinning has been and is associated with articles that are gibberish. I have read material on the web that can only have been written by a robot, or perhaps by a third grade foreigner attempting to learn to read and write English. The results are much less than acceptable. In fact, they are abominable.

      If that is spinning, then it should surely be banned from the web. It is quite obvious that no human ever looked at the article before it was published on the web.

      I can only conclude that the article was composed by one of those automated non-human spinning services. Although, I have never used spinning services and I can only speak from my observation. And, my observation is not quantified.

      It appears as if the material is generated by substituting synonyms for specific words or by substituting phrases. The results seem to be generated without human intervention.

      Another definition could be that of rewriting an article with some human intervention. The author selects specific words or phrases and allows the software to generate articles based on those substitutions.

      Again, human intervention is limited and the results often require significant editing to make the article ready for web publication. Of course, some article marketers may be only interested in SEO and publish the material "as is" resulting in sometimes nonsensical verbiage or at best second or third grade reading material.

      If the definition of spinning an article falls within either of these two definitions or methods, then I must agree with the naysayers and ask that all such work be banned from the internet. This is where the debate fails to distinguish between the traditional limited definition and a definition that is more universal.


      Repackaged Articles

      Few can deny that they have "repackaged" an article to save time or to quell a writer's block. Rewriting or repackaging an article is acceptable.

      A publisher-editor of a well known and popular article directory once said, "Repackaged, rewritten articles on the same subject are hardly ever 100% unique." He also said, "... the use of existing articles reworded or not, is not an issue."

      Given that even repackaged rewritten articles are hardly ever 100% unique; would it be far fetched to describe those articles as spun articles? I think not.

      So the hotly debated spinning issue comes down to what kind of spun articles are acceptable. It is not whether or not articles should be spun; it is rather how they should be spun and how they are used. That spun articles are acceptable is a fact. The quality of spun articles and their use are the issues.

      Now that we have established that rewritten spun articles are not an issue what remains is a debate over the quality and use of those articles.

      Two Schools

      Obviously, there are two schools of thought. One school believes that spinning is wrong, bad, spamming, and black hat. The other claims that spinning is useful, not spamming, and good for SEO.

      The first school holds that view simply because of their limited definition of spinning. I doubt that not at least one of them have written on the same topic more than once. That they have, regardless of whether they used an existing article as a template or not, they put a new or different twist on the subject and in that sense the article was spun.

      Fully Automated Services

      One method is to use a spinning service. You submit an article to this service and they generate spun articles which then you can use or not. As mentioned at the beginning of this article, most often, the results are abominable.

      Automated Human Assisted

      Another method uses software that takes an article and replaces words that you identify with synonyms. This gives much better results than the first method. However, the results are still very often less than acceptable and require significant rewrites and editing to make them worthy of publication.

      Human Generated Auto-Assisted

      There is a third method that does generate high quality, informative, and unique content. In its strictest sense, this method is one of rewriting an article. The author rewrites the original article on a sentence by sentence or paragraph by paragraph basis. An article with a sufficient number of paragraphs can be rewritten paragraph by paragraph. It will yield countless high quality unique articles.

      With the magic of randomizing software and the truth of mathematics, thousands of unique articles in the eighty plus percentile of uniqueness can be created. Even the closest of scrutiny would find it difficult to determine the originals.

      What is the problem? How are properly rewritten articles spun or not spun, not valid informative quality articles? Negative responses elude me.

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  • Profile picture of the author Peter Gehr
    I'd say that if you've spent enough time on a spun article so that it reads well, then all power to you.

    However, the amount of time it takes to get to that point, I could have written a unique article myself.

    If I come across a site that has content that is obviously spun, I leave.
    I'm not sure how many other people have the same reaction as I do when I read crap, but I'm all for Google slapping sites with poorly written content/spun articles.

    I'd like to see the internet become a place where you can find intelligent information, or at least readable information on what you search for.

    Examples:
    Some spun articles end up being more work than they are worth, and just make the internet full of fluff.

    Or,

    Many spun articles wind up becoming more labor than it's valued, and may make the web fill up with cotton.

    Or,

    Much spun articles become hard labor than before its valuation, and cause the net to fill with swill.

    Or,

    Abundant spun content begins to be laborious for its worth, and create fluffy internet puff.

    The problem is, some people can't tell the difference between these examples, and that's what degrades the standard of content online.
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  • Profile picture of the author Elvis Michael
    If anything, i rewrite them by hand and only get "ideas" from the content---AKA repurpose. This way i can freely introduce my own writing style.
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  • Profile picture of the author Scott Ames
    So far over 66% believe Spinning is garbage.
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  • Profile picture of the author JeanneLynn
    I guess I don't understand why people spin articles. Articles are quick to write. Unless you are using spinning software and not checking it over, I think it would be easier to just write fresh content.
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  • Profile picture of the author SteveJames
    I prefer to write a great article once
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  • Profile picture of the author Doug Taylor
    While I agree that most of the spun articles out there are junk, this does not have to be the case. if you take your time and keep the whole sentence in mind when you are selecting your replacement words they will read fine. i make use of article spinning every day.
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  • Profile picture of the author DarrenHaynes
    It is not the tool, but the person using it that counts :-)

    I think this is why the whole spinning debate bothers me. You can give someone a Ferrari and they can crash it straight into a wall, while others will take the time to figure out how to drive the car effectively, how to look after and make it last for a long time (get it indexed and keep it indexed).

    Sometimes questions are just too black and white. For example, just because I spin (and I spin like crazy), doesn't mean that is all I do or that I don't write unique content either - I write loads of unique content - looooooooooooooooads of it.

    I only put unique content on my money sites, I don't use spun articles on them. I make every effort to ensure that my onsite content is of high quality and provides the searcher with the information they are looking for in regards to the keywords they are using to search. I also only make sites about topics I am passionate about. That way I never live in fear of a manual review.

    Also, I never take the original content from my sites and spin it for posting else where. I always write unique content for spinning. Besides, when you write an article for spinning, you are approaching it differently, you keep the flowery writing to a minimum, and you get better at knowing how to create content that is easy to spin and gets you the best mileage in terms of how long it takes to spin the article and the degree of uniqueness that spun article delivers.

    Of course, it takes more time to spin this way, but it is worth it! It will go a long way. Again, it is not what you do, it is how you do it.

    I don't tend to use spun articles that much for linking directly to my money sites either. I mostly write unique content for web 2.0 properties, free blogs, guest posts that point directly to my money sites and I then spin those articles for backlinking them and giving them strength and increasing the link juice on them.

    I also use Build MY Ranks and postrunner and write unique content for them (because that is the rules) and point them directly to my money sites because they have a high indexing level.

    ANother key point is where you send your spun articles. There are some networks that are better than others. I also only use networks that output the URL of where the spun articles are posted so that I can then send those URL's to a backlinks indexing service. backlinksindexer is my favorite.

    This approach has brought me numerous #1 (and solid) ranking in google and a fulltime income online. I don't like J.O.B's :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    Yes i spin, but i use high quality, multi-level spuns (words/sentences) and the articles look "legit". However, i don't use such articles as web content on my sites, only for link building etc.
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  • Profile picture of the author IMWinner
    There are a lot of tools for spinning articles, but the main point here is neither about the tools nor the spinning of articles, it's the person using it and the person reading it. It really doesn't matter how many times you tried to spun your written articles, the result will possibly passed or be rejected by your client.
    People spin their article, either originally written or a copied article, simply because they want to submit more articles to different employers or to their sites. More articles created with the same niche, means more money generated with just the usage of a tool.
    But these spun articles, as we all know, are screened by the search engine site that will result that the articles will be classified as garbage. It is better to write the articles by yourself since all you have to do is understand and familiarize the niche or topic and make something out from your mind regarding the topic.
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  • Profile picture of the author Lisa Paule
    I definitely prefer to write my own articles, but i definitely would give it a go if i had software that does a great job

    Writing can be a pain at times, and if there was something to help with the workload, it would be awesome
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