How do Countries Make Money?

by BJ Min
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Just wondering...

how do COUNTRIES make money? (other than taxing the citizens)???

they spend a lot of money on a lot of things, etc...but what are ways they can make MONEY?
#countries #make #money
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  • Profile picture of the author ExRat
    Hi,

    First time I've seen that question.

    When you say countries do you mean countries? As in - making money from exporting?

    Or do you mean governments? Governments tax entities/individuals, not 'countries'.

    Alternatively, explain why you are asking in order to help people understand what you want to know.
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    • Profile picture of the author Eric Lorence
      France made a load of money selling half the future US land area...

      The US gov will probably make billions selling off radio wave lengths
      (though not nearly what their worth)

      Russia makes billions worth off natural gas...

      But wouldn't a world economics forum be a better place to learn that?
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  • Profile picture of the author Dimension
    Well tax is a MAJOR source of revenue. Don't forget tax is more then just income tax. For example in the UK there is VAT where the government takes 17.5% (well currently 15%) of everything sold.

    Then they have extra taxes on fuel, alcohol, cigarettes etc...

    Countries also have Sovereign Wealth Funds see:
    Sovereign wealth fund - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Also interest on loans made to other countries.

    Countries can also raise huge amounts of capital by issuing bonds. The UK government again sells bonds like crazy. People see government bonds as the safest investment to make as they as close to risk free that a person can get (well apart from Argentine bonds )

    These are just some points of the top of my head.
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    • Profile picture of the author Thomas
      Originally Posted by jimrpips View Post

      Ireland's phone companies are all nationalized.
      I'm afraid your information is over a decade out of date: Some fibre-optic MANs were built by the State but none of Ireland's phone companies are nationalised.

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        • Profile picture of the author ExRat
          Hi Polleo,
          What I want to know is how royalty, like the english royal family make the fortune they have. I read somewhere that the crown actually costs UK taxpayers 80 million pounds anually. But why do they just give them that money, what purpose does the royalty actually serve
          a) because we don't have any say in it

          b) because they act as ambassadors and create tourism=jobs etc Their 'job' is to open buildings, physically hand out knighthoods, attend functions and occasions.

          Prince Charles runs the Princes trust, a charitable institution that helps start up businesses to get going via loans and resources.

          The Duke of Edinburgh runs his award scheme that gives youth challenging experiences and certificates for passing the tests.

          Princess Anne rides horses

          Prince Charles is also the Duchy of Cornwall (I think that's correct) and he owns chunks of land down by Lands End - which he earns money from. I believe that they also make fair bank through investments.

          I'm not the biggest fan of the royals but I thank heaven that I wasn't born one. Their job sucks and they are under a media microscope 24/7. Eer!
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    Bomb other countries under the pretext of terrorism for valuable resources like oil, gas, oil or gas.

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  • Profile picture of the author BJ Min
    just asking...and yes i meant governments...

    i know we talk about how we individuals make money...but i was
    watching a tv show about coutnries ...and how US owed money to china
    or something...

    ...and i was wondering if a country can't pay back...can they be bought out?

    just thinking and this is the only forum i am active in...so thought i'd ask...

    because we talk a lot about making money as individuals...but i'm sure governments must have TOP people who really know how to make money as well....

    want to know how THEY think...in big pictures...maybe we can learn from their mindset and patterns...
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  • Profile picture of the author artwebster
    Where did the idea that countries make money come from?

    The citizens of a country make money. The money the citizens make is clumped together in a figure that is called 'the Gross Domestic Product'.

    From the GDP, governments decide how many new toys it wants and levies a range of taxes which are supposed to pay for the new toys.

    The days when the taxes from the GDP actually did any more than scratch the surface of national debt are long gone.

    The only way countries can make money is to devalue it by printing more of it - and even that is generally done by private citizens who will pay tax on the process even though the process is self defeating.

    Incidentally, international loans are really only paper exercises - a bit like granny guaranteeing that her grandson can pay for his car. The interest that is 'paid' on the loans is also a paper exercise but comes in very handy when a demonstration of largesse will benefit the government - as it often is in the Third world.
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  • Profile picture of the author grumpyjacksa
    do some calculations on the tax.....
    find out how many different taxes there are for businesses.....
    and how many different "levies" and "duties" on certain products.......
    you will be shocked to see how little of the money you hold is actually yours....

    and then there are exports, tourists......

    but the tax is the big one...

    born free....

    taxed to death......
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  • Profile picture of the author polleo
    If you're talking about the government and how they make money, you need to remember that they also generally own alot of state owned enterprises, like utilities and transport companies.

    What I want to know is how royalty, like the english royal family make the fortune they have. I read somewhere that the crown actually costs UK taxpayers 80 million pounds anually. But why do they just give them that money, what purpose does the royalty actually serve
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    • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
      Hi Nyerere

      Originally Posted by Nyerere View Post

      This can be hard for an outsider to understand, but it is almost like a cult that is nurtured in the homes of Britons and in the education system from a young age. You know, kind of how an American might feel that America is the best country in the world, the land of freedom and that they are the defenders of democracy or how a Nigerian might feel superior to its other neighbours etc. Also I think that outsiders need to truly understand the innate British class system. Brits from a young age know their place.
      It's probably true that most Britons would still stick with the Royals, given the choice, but I can't help feeling that your explanation here reads like something from the 1950s

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      Originally Posted by Nyerere View Post

      Note also that Britain is a Union of 4 countries. Officially guillotining the Queen or shooting to death the whole Royal family would probably lead to a break up of the Union. What is more puzzling is why Canada, Australia and New Zealand still have the Queen as its head of state. I can understand Jamaica and the other small Islands (defence, trade advantages).
      Before any irate Northern Irish citizen posts, I should point out that Britain is a union of three countries (England, Wales, Scotland) and that the United Kingdom includes Northern Ireland.


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    • Profile picture of the author Thomas
      Originally Posted by Nyerere View Post

      What is more puzzling is why Canada, Australia and New Zealand still have the Queen as its head of state. I can understand Jamaica and the other small Islands (defence, trade advantages).
      Because they were formerly Dominions in the British Empire - not merely colonies but states equal in status to the United Kindgdom. Today, they are Commonwealth realms, who, along with 13 other states, are completely sovereign but united by that fact that they share one monarch as their own.

      Incidentally, Canada, Australia and New Zealand (along with the U.K.), as predominantly white, wealthy nations who share many cultural, social, and ethical traits, form what is sometimes referred to as the "White Commonwealth" and are often accused by the other, predominantly non-white, members of the Commonwealth (especially Zimbabwe) of having different interests and goals to the rest of them.

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    Duties and tariffs
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  • Profile picture of the author BJ Min
    not to go out of topic...but since a lot of this is interesting...does this have anything to do with secret societies and illuminati or some kind of elite group controlling all this?
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  • Profile picture of the author Alex Sol
    In US (and Canada) there is no law that says people have to pay taxes - so the primary income for these countries is... well, stealing.

    Also I know that in the province of Quebec (not sure about the rest of Canada) anything gambling related belongs to the government; VLTs, Casinos, Lottery tickets... - I can't even imagine how much money they make off of that! Tabacco and Alcohol are also government controlled - so the taxes on these products are very high.
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    • Profile picture of the author Eric Lorence
      In US (and Canada) there is no law that says people have to pay taxes - so the primary income for these countries is... well, stealing.
      I think that horse has been beaten to death in the US...

      There are more than a few of those "True Believers" serving hard time because of that fallacy.

      But I digress...

      I smell a political comment storm a brewen'
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      • Profile picture of the author Alex Sol
        Originally Posted by Eric Lorence View Post

        I think that horse has been beaten to death in the US...

        There are more than a few of those "True Believers" serving hard time because of that fallacy.

        But I digress...

        I smell a political comment storm a brewen'
        I hope not
        I am just wondering, why that law never passed?

        Taxes were introduce to help the economy during the war time (after the war) and was a temporary thing - but the governments saw how profitable it was - so they kept it going. That's understandable - but why didn't they pass that law OBLIGING people to pay the tax? Was it because such law cannot legally exist? Was it because it is unethical? Was there another reason? I have no idea and frankly I don't care.

        If someone tries to "beat the system", I wish them good luck with IRS or another similar gang of thieves on power trip.

        I am not an economist or a lawyer of any kind - so these are just my $0.02

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        • Profile picture of the author mikemcmillan
          I don't have enough posts here to include links in my post, but go to YouTube and do a search for "irs commissioner avoids question" and watch the first video that comes up.

          By the way, the purpose of the income tax is not to raise money to fund government operations--it is to remove currency from circulation. The government raises money for operations by selling government backed securities at auctions on the open market--T-Bills and stuff like that.

          Essentially, the government prints money at will and must extort money from you through income taxes to remove money from circulation or a state of hyper-inflation would ensue.
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  • Profile picture of the author cypherslock
    I may be showing my bias/ignorance here but, I'd LOVE not to have to hand over an arbitrary portion of my income every year. I know that roads and infrastructure must be kept up, but the more you make, the more you pay in tax, they don't need 50%, 20% maybe. Seems stupid to me to "reward" those successful people in society with the "privilege" of (among other things) helping those who don't want to help themselves. Anyone can do what we do, but fighting social conditioning takes too much effort for most. They'd rather watch the soaps.
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