WSO with PLR as basis

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Is it possible to take an informative PLR item (not a previous WSO), rewrite it (but using the same ideas and concepts) and make it a WSO?

Or do WSOs have to be original ideas that came from your head?

Thanks.

Mike
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  • Profile picture of the author Tina Golden
    Honestly, if you completely change it, add your own ideas and otherwise add value to it - how will anyone know?

    The rules say not to just take and bundle PLR you bought elsewhere. If you actually take the time to make something unrecognizable to the original creator, how is that not your own product?
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Mayo
    Reworked PLR = No as it is just a reworked plr and is not ie, your own work/product just and edited version of someone else product.

    100% Rewriten/reworded PLR = Yes at this point it is a definitive work ie, your own.

    Although the fact that you asked this question kinda doesn't give me that warn fuzzy feeling.

    Using PLRs as reference materials to help you derive ideals for your own product is
    no different than doing research and creating a product of your own.

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    • Profile picture of the author mrcouchpotato
      Thanks Tina and Michael. I've been implimenting some of the ideas I've read from PLR products and they've actually worked. But they are someone elses ideas and they show various steps you have to take.

      I wasn't sure if I could take those same "ideas and steps", put them into my own words with my own examples and sell it as a WSO. The last thing I want to do is get banned or worse...stoned to death from others here

      That's why I asked first.

      Originally Posted by Michael Mayo View Post

      Although the fact that you asked this question kinda doesn't give me that warn fuzzy feeling.
      If I could, I'd PM you a warm cup of coffee to get you that feeling back

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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    If you've implemented the ideas and they have worked and you put in your experience in your own words, should be fine. Don't just rehash PLR. Make it 100$ yours.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alan Petersen
      If you really turn the PLR material and put real elbow grease and make it your own then you should be in the clear.

      As Tina wrote, people wouldn't even know but if you just re-write it then people will know and you will be in for a virtual stoning.

      Folks do research posting history when buying a WSO so now this thread will be here letting people know it was originally PLR so be prepared to possibly deal with that.

      You can take that PLR and turn it into your own video, step-by-step product. Or into a video case study vs just re-writing it.
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  • Profile picture of the author GaryG4
    As long as its your own product you can take a PLR ebook and turn it into a Video WSO. This is good.
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  • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
    WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY??????

    The WSO section is there for people who have created great products that they're selling to the public and want to make a special offer to fellow warriors to pay back into the community.

    It's not just some marketplace like CB where it's just another place to sell your stuff, and it's certainly not somewhere that you should rehash/reword someone elses stuff and sell it as your own.

    If you already know the information is being sold - WHY would you want to sell the same information reworded to your fellow warriors?

    Hey, why don't you just get 20 people to rewrite it for you and then you'll have 20 new WSOs you can launch?

    How many times would YOU want to read the same thing reworded?

    Just because you've read something interesting doesn't mean you should automatically be looking for how to sell the exact same information to fellow warriors.

    You ARE allowed to share your knowledge just because you want to and you care about helping people.

    I know there are people spinning old PLR stuff and selling it as WSOs and there are even WSOs telling people to do this, but do you really think the forum needs another reworded batch of stuff?

    Where do you draw the line? the WSO section is 'supposed' to be where you go for 'SPECIAL' information that people feel is fresh and unique and valuable, and not available elsewhere at such a great deal.

    I guess if people don't get this by now I'm wasting my time saying it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alan Petersen
      Originally Posted by Andyhenry View Post

      WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY??????

      The WSO section is there for people who have created great products that they're selling to the public and want to make a special offer to fellow warriors to pay back into the community.

      It's not just some marketplace like CB where it's just another place to sell your stuff, and it's certainly not somewhere that you should rehash/reword someone elses stuff and sell it as your own.
      I agree with you Andy but I've come to the realization that the WSO section has changed in the past 1-2 years and it has become a marketplace like CB.

      Just my opinion of course... but there are folks whose entire business model is creating WSO's, without any intention of selling it elsewhere.

      I guess if it's only available in the WSO section it is a special offer since it's not available anywhere else.
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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
      Originally Posted by Andyhenry View Post

      WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY??????

      The WSO section is there for people who have created great products that they're selling to the public and want to make a special offer to fellow warriors to pay back into the community.

      It's not just some marketplace like CB where it's just another place to sell your stuff, and it's certainly not somewhere that you should rehash/reword someone elses stuff and sell it as your own.

      If you already know the information is being sold - WHY would you want to sell the same information reworded to your fellow warriors?

      Hey, why don't you just get 20 people to rewrite it for you and then you'll have 20 new WSOs you can launch?

      How many times would YOU want to read the same thing reworded?

      Just because you've read something interesting doesn't mean you should automatically be looking for how to sell the exact same information to fellow warriors.

      You ARE allowed to share your knowledge just because you want to and you care about helping people.

      I know there are people spinning old PLR stuff and selling it as WSOs and there are even WSOs telling people to do this, but do you really think the forum needs another reworded batch of stuff?

      Where do you draw the line? the WSO section is 'supposed' to be where you go for 'SPECIAL' information that people feel is fresh and unique and valuable, and not available elsewhere at such a great deal.

      I guess if people don't get this by now I'm wasting my time saying it.
      WHY?

      Because not everybody learns in the same way.

      WHY?

      Because one person's insights will be different than another's.

      WHY?

      Because "Definitive" and "Best" are illusions.

      WHY?

      Because every product creator is at a different point in the arc, just as every buyer is at a different point on the arc.

      What I'm getting at is that everybody learns differently, but most people tend to learn from people that are close to the same level as they are. There are products I buy now that would have confused me when I was starting out, and there are also products that are too basic for me now.

      BUT...

      Why should there be only one product per subject?

      The OP is talking about using a method, finding out how to use the best way for himself, and then showing people the THINGS HE HAS LEARNED. Nothing wrong with that.

      As far as the WSO section being ONLY for stuff that is sold somwhere else: Yes, I understand the idea behind it, but my take on it is that EXCLUSIVITY has value. So, WHY? WHY? WHY? Why should I have to sell my best stuff to the public at all IF I only want Warriors to benefit from it?

      Anyway, it's a good topic, and hopefully the angle presented by the OP will continue to add fresh insights to an otherwise overdone topic (IMHO).

      All the best,
      Michael

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      Originally Posted by Andyhenry View Post

      Hey, why don't you just get 20 people to rewrite it for you and then you'll have 20 new WSOs you can launch?
      Be careful Andy, lest someone actually take that idea and run with it. Or even worse...make a WSO on "How to Launch 20 WSOs..."



      EDIT EDIT:

      Oops! I should have read the ENTIRE thread first. Andy, post #16 clears it up and it sounds like we're on the same page.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by mrcouchpotato View Post

    do WSOs have to be original ideas that came from your head?
    Shall we see what the WSO rules say, Mike?

    2. All WSO's Must Be Something You Created. A Product Of Your Own. (A package of ebooks someone threw together is not considered a product and will be deleted) This is completely self explanatory and not up for debate. If you yourself did not create the product do not post it here.

    And there's this part, too ...

    3. A Warrior Special Offer Means The Price You Give Must Be Better Than The Price The Public At Large Can Get. (This is not a "buy my product" forum, it is a "Special Offer" forum)
    Andy's excellent post above (#8) actually says all that you need to know on this subject.
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    • Profile picture of the author Tina Golden
      Perhaps we are talking about two different things here. Using PLR as a base to a new product does NOT make it rehashed, regurgitated or junk.

      At least, not if you do it RIGHT.

      Simply rewriting it - no, that's not what you should be doing, especially not for a WSO.

      But when you cut out the fluff or less-than-stellar parts, rewrite the good parts in your own words, add in your own experiences and new content and then add value to the product - I don't see anything wrong with that at all.
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      • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
        Originally Posted by Tina Golden View Post

        But when you cut out the fluff or less-than-stellar parts, rewrite the good parts in your own words, add in your own experiences and new content and then add value to the product - I don't see anything wrong with that at all.
        IF you have experience. Just rewriting a product and adding your own content if you have zero experience in that field (i.e reading an interesting 'offline marketing' ebook and then rewriting it in your own words and adding things you think might work then selling it to other newbies as an expert) would just be wrong.

        People seem to put the focus on "how much of it do I need to rewrite before it's unique enough not to get me in trouble" when there should be as much focus on whether they're actually qualified to deliver advice on the subject in the first place.

        I've lost track of the number of people selling 'Guides' that have done nothing more than sit down and think "what could I write about that's a hot topic right now" and put down their thoughts on what they think will work but as "do this to make money".

        You see it often in the main forum, things like "here's a great plan for video marketing" and then some detailed plan of how to do video marketing which ends with the immortal line "I haven't actually done any of this myself but I reckon it will work and make lots of money".

        If someone is just looking for how to turn PLR into a WSO product then it's probably going to be a bad product. If they have a ton of experience and success and are just looking to short cut their product creation process using PLR which covers the common aspects of their strategy and supplement that with their own experience and tips - that's fine.

        The thing I think we generally agree we don't want to see is people looking for something to make a WSO with. Just looking for 'something to sell as a wso' and thinking PLR is an easy answer.

        Maybe I'm living in the past and people think it's perfectly ok to just churn out WSO after WSO by writing about anything and everything just to keep the money wagon turning rather than treating it as a special place where you share your best stuff as a favour to warriors rather than purely to sell to them.
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        • Profile picture of the author Tina Golden
          Completely agree, Andy, and well said.
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          • Profile picture of the author Paul Barrs
            Originally Posted by Andyhenry View Post

            WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY??????

            The WSO section is there for people who have created great products that they're selling to the public and want to make a special offer to fellow warriors to pay back into the community.

            It's not just some marketplace like CB where it's just another place to sell your stuff, and it's certainly not somewhere that you should rehash/reword someone elses stuff and sell it as your own.
            Originally Posted by Tina Golden View Post

            Completely agree, Andy, and well said.
            Andy... what Tina said (even though that was for a different comment)...

            But as you've seen from other recent threads (and not so recent), people no longer *see* the WSO area for what it should be or what it was meant to be, it's now taken on a life of it's own.

            I seems to have just become (for many) a place to "flog" stuff to a willing marketplace. Sadly, more and more so... I don't like it, but that's what I see.

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        • Profile picture of the author cestrian
          is it just me or as anyone else noticed the sudden explosion of wso's hitting thier inbox lately most of them bad or poor quality just to make a quick buck.On the subject of plr you should always make sure its quality plr.change the title edit content add to it to give it value put youre own unique spin on it look at changing the format audio/video then it becomes your own unique product.
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          • Profile picture of the author mrcouchpotato
            Great explanation Andy.

            That post should be added to the WSO rules. It also answers my original question and clears that up for me...and hopefully others who are coming out with WSOs too.

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      • Profile picture of the author mrcouchpotato
        Originally Posted by Tina Golden View Post

        Perhaps we are talking about two different things here. Using PLR as a base to a new product does NOT make it rehashed, regurgitated or junk.

        At least, not if you do it RIGHT.

        Simply rewriting it - no, that's not what you should be doing, especially not for a WSO.

        But when you cut out the fluff or less-than-stellar parts, rewrite the good parts in your own words, add in your own experiences and new content and then add value to the product - I don't see anything wrong with that at all.
        I think we are talking about two different things. Maybe I should have rephrased my original question.

        I wasn't talking about taking a PLR product and just rewriting it like an article spinner. I was talking about reading a PLR product (or any product for that matter), implement the ideas and documenting what I specifically did to make it work for me. Basically, is it ok to create an original WSO based on the ideas of a different product.

        If it's that much of a grey area, I'll err on the side of caution and not do it.

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        • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
          Originally Posted by mrcouchpotato View Post

          I think we are talking about two different things. Maybe I should have rephrased my original question.

          I wasn't talking about taking a PLR product and just rewriting it like an article spinner. I was talking about reading a PLR product (or any product for that matter), implement the ideas and documenting what I specifically did to make it work for me. Basically, is it ok to create an original WSO based on the ideas of a different product.

          If it's that much of a grey area, I'll err on the side of caution and not do it.

          Mike
          Hi Mike,

          I think what you're talking about is EXACTLY how it should be done. I don't see it as a problem at all. No grey area, IMHO.

          All the best,
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  • Profile picture of the author kindsvater
    Originally Posted by mrcouchpotato View Post

    Is it possible to take an informative PLR item (not a previous WSO), rewrite it (but using the same ideas and concepts) and make it a WSO?
    IMHO creative rewriting is not a WSO.

    You are not creating a product. It is not your ideas. Not your concepts.

    "Spinning" or rewriting PLR, or someone else's product, does not make it your product. It just means you have a good thesaurus or rewriting skills - and that you have rewritten another person's product.

    All WSO's Must Be Something You Created. A Product Of Your Own. (A package of ebooks someone threw together is not considered a product and will be deleted) This is completely self explanatory and not up for debate. If you yourself did not create the product do not post it here.
    There is a misconception by some that changing words makes something your own creative work. It does not. Not in copyright law or other legal standard. Which is another WSO requirement - you must comply with all legal requirements.

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  • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
    Hey Mike,

    Sounds like you're confusing us by mentioning PLR at all.

    If you're going to create a WSO on how you created an income and share what you did and how you did it - that's all good.

    The fact that you got the idea for the strategy from another product (PLR or whatever) is not relevant - unless you're intending to use that content - in which case, see previous comments.

    The main problems only come from:
    1) using the other persons content and ideas
    2) writing about being successful when you haven't been

    So if you're going to create the product AFTER you've been successful and just want to share how you did it - all good.

    If you're looking to create it just based on the idea and you've never actually done it - not good.

    We just don't like seeing people create "here's a way to make money" guides when they didn't actually make money themselves with it.

    There are lots of people copying what they read and making out it's a great strategy but never actually did it. That's how we get so many confused people getting bad advice and thinking the strategy they're using is working for everyone except them.
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