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I have an idea for a project - Steal it or help me!

by Jean Clemens
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Hi Warriors, I have an idea!

I will go straight to the point...

The short version:

I want to create an Adsense revenue sharing blog, with several writers, who will earn about 66% in revenue, of the Adsense placed in their articles. My contribution is to do onpage SEO and link building, plus some other bonus services.

So, they create the blog content and get 66% of the adsense revenue, and I "create" the traffic to the blog and get 33% of revenue.

Do you think writers (pro and/or amateurs) would find this offer attractive?


The longer and detailed version:

The blog should be in a big niche like health, money or dating, just to give some clues.

My idea is to create this blog, and then ask several people (it could be writers or just normal people who want to earn money online), to write blog posts.

I will then insert 3 Adsense blocks on each article page. 2 of them will be with the writers Adsense ID, and 1 will be with my Adsense ID. In this way the writer will earn about 66% of the Adsense earnings his article is generating, I wil get about 33%.

The "trick" is now, that I also will create a membership site, where the writers sign up, for let's say 5$ or $10 per month, as a subscription.

The reason for the membership site, is because:
  1. I want only serious writers, and I hope that I with thes fee, can get rid of most of the unserious writers.
  2. The writers will get different services with the membership. As a few examples, they will get access to a daily updated list with "easy to rank for" niche keywords, with money in them. They will also get access to the training videos where I teach especially newbies, how to write good articles, and more...
  3. The membership fee will 100% go to link building. And that's really here where the writer get full value for their membership fee:
    Beside the membership fee, I will actual also give "X" amount of time and money from my own pocket, to build links to their articles, for each article written on the blog. I am prepared to do this, because without visitors, the blog doesn't earn any money, and I will also soon see the writes stop writing, if they don't feel they get any money in return for their efforts.
Could it work? Or should I just forget about it?

I appreciate any comments!

Thanks
Jean
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  • Profile picture of the author Sonny1977
    Originally Posted by misel View Post

    I will then insert 3 Adsense blocks on each article page. 2 of them will be with the writers Adsense ID, and 1 will be with my Adsense ID. In this way the writer will earn about 66% of the Adsense earnings his article is generating, I wil get about 33%.
    And of course your block will be on the hot spot Anyhow, just as a word of warning, Google is shutting down many of these made for adsense article content 'amateur' websites..
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    • Profile picture of the author Jean Clemens
      Originally Posted by Sonny1977 View Post

      And of course your block will be on the hot spot Anyhow, just as a word of warning, Google is shutting down many of these made for adsense article content 'amateur' websites..
      Hi Sonny

      He he, yes you are right, I know. Thanks for your concerns.

      I am used to do Adsense sites and I am aware of the MFA sites and the risk you take to do such sites, especially after the Panda updates. But I assure you, this site will not be such kind of a site.

      Thanks again...
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      • Profile picture of the author Sonny1977
        Originally Posted by misel View Post

        I am used to do Adsense sites and I am aware of the MFA sites and the risk you take to do such sites, especially after the Panda updates. But I assure you, this site will not be such kind of a site.
        You know I think this isn't such a bad idea, but I'd just hate to see you getting your adsense account(s) shut down because of it. Just like you (and I) said, the team of google adsense speacialists (one guy from India) loves to push a button on these types of adsense accounts.
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        • Profile picture of the author Jean Clemens
          Originally Posted by Sonny1977 View Post

          You know I think this isn't such a bad idea, but I'd just hate to see you getting your adsense account(s) shut down because of it. Just like you (and I) said, the team of google adsense speacialists (one guy from India) loves to push a button on these types of adsense accounts.
          Hi again Sonny, I appreciate your concerns really!

          I think I will take a closer look into this, so I am sure I won't get banned by Adsense, since people here are warning me about the Adsense MFA part of it.

          Thanks
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          • Profile picture of the author Sonny1977
            Originally Posted by misel View Post

            so I am sure I won't get banned by Adsense
            I was sure too before I actually did get banned and all I did was I created websites with fully original articles on them. The only explanation I got from google was that my website(s) didn't follow the 'spirit' of their terms, what ever the hell that ever means.. and I was just about to break the monthly five figures barrior with adsense so you can probably understand that I was pretty pissed about it..

            The funny thing is that I always used to laugh at people that were crying about their adsense accounts getting closed and then it happened to myself..
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            • Profile picture of the author Jean Clemens
              Originally Posted by Sonny1977 View Post

              I was sure too before I actually did get banned and all I did was I created websites with fully original articles on them. The only explanation I got from google was that my website(s) didn't follow the 'spirit' of their terms, what ever the hell that ever means.. and I was just about to break the monthly five figures barrior with adsense so you can probably understand that I was pretty pissed about it..

              The funny thing is that I always used to laugh at people that were crying about their adsense accounts getting closed and then it happened to myself..
              Hi Sonny,

              Again you are right, I can't be sure that I won't be banned. The only thing I can do, is take all precautions, and follow the Adsense guidelines as good as possible, deliver quality content, and so on... Still I know I can't be secure, but that's really the same problem for all sites using Adsense, I think.

              Sorry to hear about your Adsense sites. Wow, that must have been some kind of a chock!

              I had 2 sites myself, earning good revenue from Adsense back in April. Suddenly they were punished by Google. One day I was nr.1 for my main keyword, and the next they I was on page 12 on Google, for the same keyword, and they never recovered. But at that time I already knew that they were pure MFA sites, so I wasn't that surprised.
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  • Profile picture of the author Hostpany
    So you want to be like this website Xomba.com

    Earnings Guide <---- their page explaining how the money will be shared.

    It's a great idea. Just make sure to create a unique domain name in order to be popular.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jean Clemens
      Originally Posted by Hostpany View Post

      So you want to be like this website Xomba.com

      Earnings Guide <---- their page explaining how the money will be shared.

      It's a great idea. Just make sure to create a unique domain name in order to be popular.

      Hi Hostpany

      Wow, great, it already exist! Then it can't be such a bad idea again.

      And thanks for the links. Now I can precisely see how I should do it, although I do have another approach, with the mindset of "if you give me something, I give you something in return", but maybe that's wrong of me!?
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      • Profile picture of the author Hostpany
        Originally Posted by misel View Post

        Hi Hostpany

        Wow, great, it already exist! Then it can't be such a bad idea again.

        And thanks for the links. Now I can precisely see how I should do it, although I do have another approach, with the mindset of "if you give me something, I give you something in return", but maybe that's wrong of me!?
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    • Profile picture of the author Jean Clemens
      Originally Posted by Hostpany View Post


      Google does allow this because they even say it on their page --> AdSense API - Google Code

      "Only websites with over 100,000 daily page views across user pages are eligible to participate in the AdSense API program"

      I'm pretty sure there is a wordpress plugin that can help you use google api to share the cash with your users.
      And yes I am aware of the 100.000 daily page views. And yes, I did find a Wordpress plugin, but it actually just place up to 3 Adsense blocks after my choice on each blog post, where I can choose to insert indiviual Adsense publisher Id's in each ad block, and in each blog post.

      Wonder if I am doing anything wrong, if do this before I reach the daily 100.000 pageviews, now where I don't use the google Adsense Api program?

      Does anybody know?
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  • Profile picture of the author IM Ash
    This isn't anything unique: sites like squidoo, hubpages and flixya are all built on the same premise and there are blogs that actually do the same.

    I think the biggest challenge will be to attract writers who are willing to write articles at the risk of never earning a cent... and frankly if I were still writing I will not join your program because you are basically asking for a writer to pay you to write articles for your site, and there is a chance the writer will never make a cent.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jean Clemens
      Originally Posted by Eleva8 View Post

      This isn't anything unique: sites like squidoo, hubpages and flixya are all built on the same premise and there are blogs that actually do the same.

      I think the biggest challenge will be to attract writers who are willing to write articles at the risk of never earning a cent... and frankly if I were still writing I will not join your program because you are basically asking for a writer to pay you to write articles for your site, and there is a chance the writer will never make a cent.
      Hi Eleva

      Yes, you are probably right, and that is also why I ask people now, if you guys think writers could be interested.

      It will be important for me that the writers feel they get something in return for their effort, why I will spend money and time on onpage seo and link building.

      I do have a seo plan for targeting the niche I plan to build the site around. I will recommend (although not a must) the writers who become a part of the team, to use the topics I give them (as written in my first post), as they will be easy to rank for in combination with my seo efforts, and they therefore (hopefully) pretty fast should see traffic going to their article pages.
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  • Profile picture of the author davejug1
    Just remember you pay for quality and adsense earning are notoriously bad, the only people who are going to be interested are the people barely earning anything and are these the kind of people you want working with you?

    Strip out the Adsense (for a hundred and 10 reasons I can think of) and use affiliate marketing or proper banner ads instead, ones you have control over.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jean Clemens
      Originally Posted by davejug1 View Post

      Just remember you pay for quality and adsense earning are notoriously bad, the only people who are going to be interested are the people barely earning anything and are these the kind of people you want working with you?

      Strip out the Adsense (for a hundred and 10 reasons I can think of) and use affiliate marketing or proper banner ads instead, ones you have control over.
      Hi Davejug

      Hm, maybe you a right. :confused:

      To be honest I don't plan to let the writers write their own blog posts on the blog itself.

      I plan to receive the articles through the membership site, actually because of the reason you mention.

      First I will take a manual look at it, to see if the quality is okay, and then I will run it through Copyscape. If it doesn't pass just one of these two checks, I will not accept the article to be posted on the blog. So quality is a big issue to me.

      Today I already run other blogs with Adsense, where I work together with a few writers (One for each blog). The deal I make with them, is that he/she writes the content, and I do the seo/promotion part. It works fine. He does what he/she is good at, and I do what I am good at, and so we split the revenue 50-50%. Nothing unsual there.

      This blog idea is really a way for me, to try to upscale this way of doing my daily "stuff".
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  • Profile picture of the author andynathan
    Misel,

    I think one of the best things you can do is to make sure the profits are not the only reward for the writers. Let them link back to their own websites. Also, share other pertinent information, like the niche research you were discussing. Make it a full package to help them get their own name out for free.

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    • Profile picture of the author sethdrebitko
      I'd second letting people link to their own sites. It also seems like something I'd be more interested in if there was a set number of slots open.
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      • Profile picture of the author Jean Clemens
        Originally Posted by sethdrebitko View Post

        I'd second letting people link to their own sites. It also seems like something I'd be more interested in if there was a set number of slots open.
        Hi sethdrebitko

        Yes, maybe you are right. Could be another option i should think about.

        Thanks a lot.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jean Clemens
      Originally Posted by andynathan View Post

      Misel,

      I think one of the best things you can do is to make sure the profits are not the only reward for the writers. Let them link back to their own websites. Also, share other pertinent information, like the niche research you were discussing. Make it a full package to help them get their own name out for free.

      Andy
      Hi Andy

      Great ideas!
      I didn't think about this before, but of course! I see now that I should give the writers as much value for the money as possible.
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      • Profile picture of the author andynathan
        Cool! Glad to be of help! Just as a writer, future profits is pie in the sky. The value you give them can do so much more.
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  • Profile picture of the author IM Ash
    IMO:

    It seems you have thought this out thoroughly but this is what I will do since I always look for the path of least resistance ...

    I think you will be better served by building your site up into an authority with decent PR... once you reach that point you can begin accepting guest posts... many companies engage in guest posting solely for the SEO value and as such attracting guest posters will not be a problem if your site has good PR.

    If you follow a model like the one above you will never need to bother about managing and paying a pool of writers. And you will be able to concentrate completely on the SEO side.

    With regard to your model you need to remember that writers are not internet marketers and many of them are risk averse, which means they will rather earn $30 for an article today instead of taking a risk at earning nothing at all. I do not think it is impossible to find a writer or writers who will be attracted to your business model but I still feel it will be your greatest challenge.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jean Clemens
      Originally Posted by Eleva8 View Post

      IMO:

      It seems you have thought this out thoroughly but this is what I will do since I always look for the path of least resistance ...

      I think you will be better served by building your site up into an authority with decent PR... once you reach that point you can begin accepting guest posts... many companies engage in guest posting solely for the SEO value and as such attracting guest posters will not be a problem if your site has good PR.

      If you follow a model like the one above you will never need to bother about managing and paying a pool of writers. And you will be able to concentrate completely on the SEO side.

      With regard to your model you need to remember that writers are not internet marketers and many of them are risk averse, which means they will rather earn $30 for an article today instead of taking a risk at earning nothing at all. I do not think it is impossible to find a writer or writers who will be attracted to your business model but I still feel it will be your greatest challenge.
      Hi again Elova

      Thanks for taking time to write me.

      Actually I already have such a blog, consisting of about 70% guest posts.

      As I see it, the "problem" with such kind of blogs, is that you often can't control the content. Guest bloggers write what they like to do, of course in the related niche of the blog.

      It just don't fit into the way I use to do it. Maybe it will work for some, just not me, I think. The way I use to do it, is to target very specific keywords, and go for them.

      About your authority blog recommendation, I agree.
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      • Profile picture of the author IM Ash
        Originally Posted by misel View Post

        As I see it, the "problem" with such kind of blogs, is that you often can't control the content. Guest bloggers write what they like to do, of course in the related niche of the blog.

        It just don't fit into the way I use to do it. Maybe it will work for some, just not me, I think. The way I use to do it, is to target very specific keywords, and go for them.
        You know a year ago I used to engage in freelance writing and I had clients who payed me $50 for a single guest post... and all they were interested in was the SEO value i.e. the links back to their site.

        There are many companies out there who are paying top dollar for guest posts and as such you can actually stipulate what your guest posters should write and how they should structure the post. If you can attract people who are guest posting solely for the SEO value then you will be able to control what is written and how it is written.
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        • Profile picture of the author Jean Clemens
          Originally Posted by Eleva8 View Post

          You know a year ago I used to engage in freelance writing and I had clients who payed me $50 for a single guest post... and all they were interested in was the SEO value i.e. the links back to their site.

          There are many companies out there who are paying top dollar for guest posts and as such you can actually stipulate what your guest posters should write and how they should structure the post. If you can attract people who are guest posting solely for the SEO value then you will be able to control what is written and how it is written.
          Hi Eleva
          Aha, okay I see. So they didn't actually care about rankings in Google, just the SEO value.

          Stupid question, but how and where do I find guest posters? And do you know if there are any niches that are better to create a blog in, than others?
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          • Profile picture of the author IM Ash
            Originally Posted by misel View Post

            Hi Eleva
            Aha, okay I see. So they didn't actually care about rankings in Google, just the SEO value.
            They weren't interested in traffic from the blogs that I guest posted on... all they wanted was the SEO value from the guest post (which is huge and does help with their own site's rankings).

            Originally Posted by misel View Post

            Stupid question, but how and where do I find guest posters? And do you know if there are any niches that are better to create a blog in, than others?
            No such thing as a stupid question

            Many of the clients I guest posted for hired me from a freelancing platform I utilized.

            But what you can do is:

            1. Create a page on your site and title it something like "write for us"... a common search string used by guest posters on Google is to this affect: keyword "write for us"

            On the page you create you can actually stipulate how you want the article to be structured and what ever other terms you want to add. If you have a page like this, guest posters will find your site via the search engines.

            Take a look at this site:PR4 Article Directory
            That site actually charges people to guest post on it. The guy set up a fiverr gig and charges people $5 to submit 2 unique guest posts to his blog.

            Now, take a look at this site: How to Blog and Make Money Online
            That site operates completely on guest posts. You can have a look at the "write for us" page to get an idea of how you can setup your page

            2. You can also visit sites that accept guest posts and look for specific guest posts that link to commercial sites - this is a sign that the person behind the guest post is actually interested in the SEO value. You can then visit those sites and make them aware of your site that is accepting guest posts.

            3. You can use guest post platforms like Guest blogging: Looking for guest bloggers or guest post? Join MyBlogGuest!
            and there is another one called Guest Post Exchange (I think).

            In terms of what niches to target: you know the people I guest posted for didn't bother about relevency when submitting guest posts. I actually utilize guest posts as part of my SEO strategy and I can tell you the value from a guest post on an authority blog is amazing regardless of whether or not the blog is relevent to your niche. Just a resource box (like the one in an article directory) with the links in it is enough!
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            • Profile picture of the author Jean Clemens
              Originally Posted by Eleva8 View Post

              They weren't interested in traffic from the blogs that I guest posted on... all they wanted was the SEO value from the guest post (which is huge and does help with their own site's rankings).



              No such thing as a stupid question

              Many of the clients I guest posted for hired me from a freelancing platform I utilized.

              But what you can do is:

              1. Create a page on your site and title it something like "write for us"... a common search string used by guest posters on Google is to this affect: keyword "write for us"

              On the page you create you can actually stipulate how you want the article to be structured and what ever other terms you want to add. If you have a page like this, guest posters will find your site via the search engines.

              Take a look at this site:PR4 Article Directory
              That site actually charges people to guest post on it. The guy set up a fiverr gig and charges people $5 to submit 2 unique guest posts to his blog.

              Now, take a look at this site: How to Blog and Make Money Online
              That site operates completely on guest posts. You can have a look at the "write for us" page to get an idea of how you can setup your page

              2. You can also visit sites that accept guest posts and look for specific guest posts that link to commercial sites - this is a sign that the person behind the guest post is actually interested in the SEO value. You can then visit those sites and make them aware of your site that is accepting guest posts.

              3. You can use guest post platforms like Guest blogging: Looking for guest bloggers or guest post? Join MyBlogGuest!
              and there is another one called Guest Post Exchange (I think).

              In terms of what niches to target: you know the people I guest posted for didn't bother about relevency when submitting guest posts. I actually utilize guest posts as part of my SEO strategy and I can tell you the value from a guest post on an authority blog is amazing regardless of whether or not the blog is relevent to your niche. Just a resource box (like the one in an article directory) with the links in it is enough!
              Hi Eleva8

              Wow, great post, thanks a lot. Really appreciate it.
              And thanks for taking time to answer my questions again.

              I took a look at the links, look really interesting. Now I just need a Pr4+ blog. But yes it should be possible.

              And great ideas for link building. I did know you could do these things like guest blogging for link building purpose, but I didn't know it was so effective, as you describe.

              Thanks a lot.
              Jean
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              • Profile picture of the author IM Ash
                Originally Posted by misel View Post

                Hi Eleva8

                Wow, great post, thanks a lot. Really appreciate it.
                And thanks for taking time to answer my questions again.

                I took a look at the links, look really interesting. Now I just need a Pr4+ blog. But yes it should be possible.

                And great ideas for link building. I did know you could do these things like guest blogging for link building purpose, but I didn't know it was so effective, as you describe.

                Thanks a lot.
                Jean
                No problem Jean!

                I managed to get one of my sites up to PR3 in less than 6 weeks. All you need to do is secure high PR backlinks. You can go the paid route or you can do what I do and find high PR pages to comment. Just ensure the page isn't spammed and the links are not nofollow. Get about 30-40 PR4+ links and your site's PR will climb quickly.

                Good Luck!
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                • Profile picture of the author Jean Clemens
                  Originally Posted by Eleva8 View Post

                  No problem Jean!

                  I managed to get one of my sites up to PR3 in less than 6 weeks. All you need to do is secure high PR backlinks. You can go the paid route or you can do what I do and find high PR pages to comment. Just ensure the page isn't spammed and the links are not nofollow. Get about 30-40 PR4+ links and your site's PR will climb quickly.

                  Good Luck!
                  Hi, thanks again.

                  I think I will give it a try.
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                  • Profile picture of the author sethdrebitko
                    Have you considered possibly just going in on your niche site as a joint venture with others? It seems like that might also accomplish the end result you are looking for.
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  • Profile picture of the author weblink29
    It's hard to come up with a truly unique idea these days. The fact that there are exisiting websites doing this already shows that you are a creative thinker. Keep thinking outside the box
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    • Profile picture of the author Jean Clemens
      Originally Posted by weblink29 View Post

      It's hard to come up with a truly unique idea these days. The fact that there are exisiting websites doing this already shows that you are a creative thinker. Keep thinking outside the box
      Hi Weblink

      Hi hi, thanks for cheering me up.
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  • Profile picture of the author Istvan Horvath
    First I will take a manual look at it, to see if the quality is okay,
    You know, in my 'previous life" I used to work as a pro journalist. Since they paid me a nice salary+bonuses, I was absolutely OK with my editor/editor-in-chief to check my manuscripts if they were OK, quality-wise. As an employee I sold myself (i.e. my work force) to them.

    Now, on a site where I have to pay a membership fee to be permitted to write and YOU check the quality of my writing... I'd say you are nuts (just kidding, nothing personal). What qualifies you to judge my writing? You don't have to be a better writer than I am (as many ignorant people would assume) but better be a damn good editor who knows what is he doing!

    OK, it might be a little bit taken to the extreme - but, hopefully, it would help you to think about the dangers of this setup.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jean Clemens
      Originally Posted by Istvan Horvath View Post

      You know, in my 'previous life" I used to work as a pro journalist. Since they paid me a nice salary+bonuses, I was absolutely OK with my editor/editor-in-chief to check my manuscripts if they were OK, quality-wise. As an employee I sold myself (i.e. my work force) to them.

      Now, on a site where I have to pay a membership fee to be permitted to write and YOU check the quality of my writing... I'd say you are nuts (just kidding, nothing personal). What qualifies you to judge my writing? You don't have to be a better writer than I am (as many ignorant people would assume) but better be a damn good editor who knows what is he doing!

      OK, it might be a little bit taken to the extreme - but, hopefully, it would help you to think about the dangers of this setup.
      Hi Istvan

      He he
      I understand what you are saying, and I see more and more that it's not possible to run the project the way I imagine.

      About checking the quality, all I wanted to be sure, is that it was human and manual written. Not some spun content, which didn't give meaning to the reader. I would also look for spelling mistakes. Spelling mistakes are okay, but if there is something wrong with the spelling or grammar in every sentence, the blog visitor wouldn't like to read it anyway, and the quality would suffer.

      The same could (not always, but sometimes) happen, if the writer was from a foreign country, where english is the second language (like me ). This is sometimes easy to recognize when you read an article.

      So don't worry, I am not judging the quality of the content in the way you imagine.
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  • Profile picture of the author O0o0O
    This sounds like a Squidoo business model, except that Squidoo does it for free. You will not get very many sign ups if writers have to pay to make a blog.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jean Clemens
      Originally Posted by O0o0O View Post

      This sounds like a Squidoo business model, except that Squidoo does it for free. You will not get very many sign ups if writers have to pay to make a blog.

      Hi O0o0O

      You are right. I have to find another business model, if I want to go on with this.

      The problem is, that every time someone write an article for my blog, I spend money and time to get this exact article ranking as high as possible in Google for the exact keyword it's targeting, if it's a keyword I specify for the writer. Normally I am not satisfied before it's at least on page 1 of Google. So if I pay the writers 66% of the revenue, and only keep 33% to myself, without further compensation, it will pretty fast be a very good business for the writers, and not so good business for me. Maybe I should just offer a 50-50% sharing instead...

      Compared to Squidoo, Xomba and apparently others, you just write the article, maybe pray a little, and then just hope it will rank so you start to earn money (Okay you can do other things too, but don't destroy the example please ).

      What I do, is actually make the articles rank. Where do you find such an offer for free? Please let me know, and I will change job, and become a full time writer.

      Hope you see my point...
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