article marketing question...

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im confused about this for some reason... are you saying that you're supposed to take the articles that are on YOUR site and then submit those to article directories which will then get picked up hopefully by a couple of relevant blogs looking for good content...

or

create unique content NOT found on your site and go through the process etc?
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  • Profile picture of the author RohanCox1
    I'm under the impression article directories wan unique content, so I would either write an article, submit it to the directories, then spin/re-write it to make another unique piece and put it on your blog (that's what I do), or the other way around (which sounds like your situation). So get your article on your blog, then spin it and then submit it to the directories.

    I hope that helps
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  • Profile picture of the author webapex
    The underlying thought is search engines give the highest rank power to the 'originator' of an article, the first site they index that contains the article. You have to decide which site will benefit you the most.
    I thought some directories like ezinearticles want an original piece and would reject if they find out by using a copyscape like tool that it already exists on your site.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
    Originally Posted by sgtsavvy View Post

    im confused about this for some reason... are you saying that you're supposed to take the articles that are on YOUR site and then submit those to article directories which will then get picked up hopefully by a couple of relevant blogs looking for good content...

    or

    create unique content NOT found on your site and go through the process etc?
    You can do both. However, here's what I personally do.

    I will write a 500 - 1000 word article and place it on my site first. Then I will partially rewrite it, change the subject heading, and then submit it to 1-3 directories (EZA, Website-Article dot net, and Idea Marketers to name 3). I also create back links back to the article on my website first and then the article once it gets approved.

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  • Profile picture of the author hotlinkz
    Originally Posted by sgtsavvy View Post

    im confused about this for some reason... are you saying that you're supposed to take the articles that are on YOUR site and then submit those to article directories which will then get picked up hopefully by a couple of relevant blogs looking for good content... or create unique content NOT found on your site and go through the process etc?
    This would depend on the terms and policies of the article directories. If a directory requires you submit unique, never published articles. If you add to your site first and it gets discovered and indexed -- the article will be considered published.

    Even if you submit your article first, wait for it to publish on the directories and then post it to your site. There are two schools of thought regarding this method. Even so, you should always test things for yourself. It's the best way to get the real truth about what does and does not work.

    Very basically, here is what I do.

    1. Create an 800+ word authoritative report. This is either posted as a series on the site or offered as a PDF report offered in exchange for email address.

    2. Write several 250 to 400 word general articles that point back to the more detailed article series or report on targeted site.

    All articles are top quality and deliver some benefit.

    [other secrets stuff I can't share...]
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  • Profile picture of the author sgtsavvy
    Then I will partially rewrite it, change the subject heading, and then submit it to 1-3 directories (EZA, Website-Article dot net, and Idea Marketers to name 3).
    can you tell me what your point in changing the titles is? Dont you want to have your keywords in the most places?

    I also create back links back to the article on my website first and then the article once it gets approved.
    can you explain this process, im a bit confused... once it gets approved? by whom/how do you know?
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    • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
      Originally Posted by sgtsavvy View Post

      can you tell me what your point in changing the titles is? Dont you want to have your keywords in the most places?

      can you explain this process, im a bit confused... once it gets approved? by whom/how do you know?
      I change the subject heading because this way I can use a different keyword. This will get it indexed under that keyword instead of another one. Which means you can get more out of one article by just changing it a little bit. You don't have to do this, but I like doing it because of the way I do back linking.

      Most article directories will notify you when your article gets approved via e-mail.

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  • Profile picture of the author sgtsavvy
    1. Create an 800+ word authoritative report. This is either posted as a series on the site or offered as a PDF report offered in exchange for email address.

    2. Write several 250 to 400 word general articles that point back to the more detailed article series or report on targeted site.

    All articles are top quality and deliver some benefit.
    thanks for the tips!

    so to be clear, you are saying... write the meaty report/linkbait offered on YOUR OWN site, then submit several relative but general articles around that topic that supplement/lead in to what you are offering at your site, and those are the promo articles that get spread around the web/blogs/directories etc?

    but you are saying that, in this technique you use, you are not duplicating content?

    this seems really smart, i just want to make sure im not misunderstanding you.

    thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author sgtsavvy
    well. you have done well srijana.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    I put the article on my own site for around 48 hours then submit it as is to EA (sometimes one other submission site). I don't waste time rewriting it. When someone clicks my link at the bottom, they don't want to go to my site to read the same info - they are looking for more info, so let them read the article as is. When they get to the site, they can see it's one they already read and will pick out something else to look at.

    At the submission site, people will choose the article for their own content or emails - and it's the same thing. Someone reads the stuff before they get to my link, so why waste time on a lot of variations? Give them more and different info to look at once they land on your site, they don't want to see a new version of what you wrote.

    Also - why try to give another site ranking for original information? Once the article is on your site, you are the original poster - let others take a back seat with your info. You aren't posting your articles for their benefit - you are posting it for yours.

    When someone searches keywords that pull up your article - you want your site first and the directory after it - not visa versa. Just makes sense to have your site rank highest for info you originate.
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  • Profile picture of the author sgtsavvy
    i've got a 3 part article series, its a 3 phase (first phase, second phase, third phase way of doing things.. (recording vocals)

    Im trying to determine how im going to best market the content to get the most traffic and seo value... Im guessing if i go with publish to ezine i could get them ranked faster and get the search rankings and longer term traffic for my terms... but its really good content and i kind of think i should have that stuff on my site...

    how would you break that up if it were you?
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  • Profile picture of the author sgtsavvy
    no. lets get past that and say we've cleared the terms of the directories.
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  • Profile picture of the author Profolegy
    I have always posted a unique article on my site before sending the same article to ezine articles. If they come back to my site through a link in the article then they will find a video included in my post they can watch. If they watch the video this keeps them on my site longer which has other added benefits.

    Best of all is to just do things and keep testing things out you wont break anything.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      There's some real misinformation in this thread.

      "Unique content" is not the same thing as "original content".

      And "duplicate content" is not the same thing as "syndicated content".

      Article directories do not require previously unpublished content.

      You should always have your articles published and indexed on your own site first, before submitting them to any article directories. You can't gain anything by giving an article directory the initial indexation-rights to your articles, and it makes no sense to do that. You need your own site to be the cumulative beneficiary of those.

      If a potential customer finds one of your articles by putting one of its keywords into a search engine, the last thing you want him finding is an article directory copy: we all lose most of that traffic. "I have a 25% click-through rate from EZA" is another way of saying "I lose 75% of my traffic at EZA".

      Article directories are not there as a source of traffic (nor as a source of backlinks) in their own right. They're a stepping-stone to getting your article published in other, better places which will bring you some traffic you can't reach any other way (and often some high-linkjuice backlinks, too).

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      • Profile picture of the author carolf
        Alexa that is a great link, thanks
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      • Profile picture of the author Web Writer
        Originally Posted by Danielle Clarke View Post

        Apologies if this has been spelled out again and again (and again)... I did a search, but no luck.

        The (traditional) definitions of "unique" and "original" would suggest that both should be the same. Can you clarify further?

        Thanks!
        In terms or writing on the Internet, "unique" means that the exact wording does not appear anywhere else. "Original" means you came up with the ideas and the wording from your own experience. In other words, you're not just spinning someone else's information.

        Hope that helps!
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  • Profile picture of the author Alan Ashwood
    Originally Posted by sgtsavvy View Post

    im confused about this for some reason... are you saying that you're supposed to take the articles that are on YOUR site and then submit those to article directories which will then get picked up hopefully by a couple of relevant blogs looking for good content...

    or

    create unique content NOT found on your site and go through the process etc?
    The first one.
    1. Write and publish your article/post to your own site first.
    2. Give Google time to index it at your site
    3. Submit article exactly as is to article directory

    Most directories don't require that you change or spin your original. Google knows it's yours, because you published it there first.

    If someone else uses the article, they must publish it complete, and give reference (link back) to you, as the author. If they don't, they'll be picked up by Google as publishing duplicate content. You will not be penalised in any way.

    Cheers
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    • Profile picture of the author AnniePot
      Here we go yet again. From last weekend I've decided that if I get in early enough on any of these threads, I'm simpy going to point people toward Alexa, Tina Golden, myob, and a number of others.

      Alexa, for certain, has oodles more patience than I do, and is able to keep responding civilly to people who bring up the same old questions day after day after day. :rolleyes:
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    • Profile picture of the author bretski
      Originally Posted by Alan Ashwood View Post

      If someone else uses the article, they must publish it complete, and give reference (link back) to you, as the author. If they don't, they'll be picked up by Google as publishing duplicate content. You will not be penalised in any way.
      In a perfect world this would be true but if you've ever had your content ripped then you know that this is false. People can and do take articles, use them for their own sites and republish them to other article directories without giving you a backlink and they do not incur any sort of "duplicate content penalty" by Google, article directories or the boogeyman. Thus the need for DCMA notices.
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  • Profile picture of the author IceMustang
    Originally Posted by sgtsavvy View Post

    im confused about this for some reason... are you saying that you're supposed to take the articles that are on YOUR site and then submit those to article directories which will then get picked up hopefully by a couple of relevant blogs looking for good content...

    or

    create unique content NOT found on your site and go through the process etc?
    The first one. Even though you can technically submit copypastes of your own articles to many directories, I'm still skeptical as to how much it helps or hurts vs rewriting or spinning, therefore I ALWAYS rewrite articles that I put elsewhere. I won't even duplicate my own content for my own site if I rewrote it elsewhere first.
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  • Profile picture of the author stellaandreapark
    Originally Posted by sgtsavvy View Post

    im confused about this for some reason... are you saying that you're supposed to take the articles that are on YOUR site and then submit those to article directories which will then get picked up hopefully by a couple of relevant blogs looking for good content...

    or

    create unique content NOT found on your site and go through the process etc?
    I suggest write/create one unique content. Post it to your site then one to best article directory (you can take your pick like Ezine etc...), once your article is published and indexed, you can now promote that article page. Avoid posting your content over and over again since this looks like spamming already.

    This is my suggestion.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Filsaime
    The (traditional) definitions of "unique" and "original" would suggest that both should be the same. Can you clarify further?
    My take on that is that, "unique" being one only while "original" you got some copycats.
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  • Profile picture of the author danr62
    Unique = Not posted anywhere else.

    Original = You wrote it. It can be posted anywhere else you have a mind to post it.

    EzineArticles and most of the others only need the content to be original, not unique.
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    • Profile picture of the author danr62
      Originally Posted by Danielle Clarke View Post

      Hmmm... three different answers to my question.

      @ Web Writer, from what I've been able to discern elsewhere, I think you've got the right answer.

      So, if I've got this right, is spinning (meant to) generate "unique" articles? (I put a question mark there so as not to propagate misinformation.)

      But... if I've used excerpts/quotes to illustrate my points (which I frequently do, it being a standard journalistic device) would that be considered "unique" in article marketing terms?
      There is debate on what Google sees as non-unique. As far as article submission goes, I believe EzineArticles has a policy of how much of your article can be quoted from another source.

      Looking it up now....

      We do not accept articles that contain more than 5 lines of quoted or sourced material.
      That being said, if you take excertps for your own articles that your originally wrote EZA should accept it because you are still the original author. If you are quoting something that someone else wrote, then this is EZA's guideline.



      In either case, you should post the article first to your own site then to EZA once it gets indexed at your site.
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      • Profile picture of the author bretski
        Stop trying to complicate it. Write stuff for your site. Let the stuff get indexed and then publish it other places. Yes, EZA is good but it's not the only place on the internet to publish written content.

        I don't think I have ever quoted myself and Bret doesn't talk about Bret in the third person either. Bret is gets annoyed with that.
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        • Profile picture of the author danr62
          Originally Posted by bretski View Post

          Stop trying to complicate it. Write stuff for your site. Let the stuff get indexed and then publish it other places. Yes, EZA is good but it's not the only place on the internet to publish written content.

          I don't think I have ever quoted myself and Bret doesn't talk about Bret in the third person either. Bret is gets annoyed with that.
          Thanks for the laugh.
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          • Profile picture of the author PhilipT
            Alexa is right to say that unique content is not the same as original content.

            If you write an article and then put it on your own website and nowhere else the content is both original and unique. If, once it is indexed on Google, you put the same article on ezinearticles, it is no longer unique but it remains original.

            Google and the article directories are not just looking for unique content. They are looking for original content.

            I hope this helps.

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          • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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            Originally Posted by Danielle Clarke View Post

            I think I've figured it out...

            For article marketing/Google/EZA purposes, "unique" refers specifically to indexing.

            As in: you write an original article (in your own words), then publish it on your own site so it is unique to you.

            Then you can submit it to EZA and other article directories, who do not care that it is not unique (already indexed).

            Correct me if I'm wrong!
            I'm saying nothing.

            (Comparatively speaking: meaning "I'm saying only 1,000 words instead of my usual 2,000" ).

            My point (above) about "original content" and "unique content" should have been better, and more helpfully, worded: sorry. I might have said "The problem with these two terms is that people use them with completely different meanings, some people don't distinguish between them at all and use them indiscriminately; others understand them to refer to two entirely separate things" and they'll continue to cause confusion, for that and other reasons, every time they're used.

            For myself, I find it really helpful to talk in terms of "previously published content" and "previously unpublished content", for two main reasons: first, everyone understands the same things when you say that; secondly, it enables me to make clear, simple, factual statements such as "Article directories do not require previously unpublished content" knowing that nobody - not even someone selling spinning software and seeking to profit from all the confusion about this - can contradict me about that, because it's both incontrovertible and irrefutable.

            What matters is what (a) Google and (b) EZA (and possibly, arguably, by extension, "article directories in general") mean by them.

            The main points - it seems to me - are ...

            (i) As explained in all but glorious technicolor in this post, EZA doesn't care in the slightest whether the articles you submit to them have been previously published elsewhere in identical form, as long as the name/pen-name under which they were published elsewhere is the same as the name/pen-name under which you submit them to EZA;

            (ii) It makes far less sense to submit content to EZA without first publishing it and having it indexed on your site (and anywhere else you like) than it does to submit it to EZA for its first publication;

            (iii) "Duplicate content" is "multiple copies of the same text-file within one website". It's explained particularly well, with quotations from Google's WebMaster Central Blog, in this post and explained, with the customary bit of heckling and nonsense thrown in, in this thread;

            (iv) EZA don't want to publish very similar copies of articles already in their directory (of course - who would? That really would be "duplicate content" in Google's eyes, even though there are no "penalties" for that as people wrongly claim), and understandably they'd rather have content not already published there, so they'll reject articles for what they call "lack of original content" if you try that;

            (v) "Degrees of uniqueness" is a silly non-issue dreamed up by people with an interest in promoting spinning/mass-submission software; we can all see that it suits them if everyone imagines that there's some potentially dire consequence they can avoid by "spinning" their articles (which there isn't), and as we've seen in countless other threads, they'll carry on saying that, however many Warriors are making their full-time livings by having "un-spun" syndicated articles published and attracting both high quality, relevant backlinks and targeted traffic with them;

            (vi) The linkjuice value of any backlink, on any given page of the web, isn't improved in any way if the content to which it's been attached is deemed by Google to be "unique".

            For myself, I'll continue saying "previously published" and "not previously published".
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Originally Posted by Danielle Clarke View Post

      But... if I've used excerpts/quotes to illustrate my points (which I frequently do, it being a standard journalistic device) would that be considered "unique" in article marketing terms?
      If you listen to the spinner crowd, you'll hear them say things like "spin your article so that it's 50% unique." In this scenario, the quotes/excerpts would fall into the 50% that is not unique.

      However, your particular selection of quotes/excerpts coupled with your commentary on and around them could yield an article that is completely original.
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  • Profile picture of the author nanni
    Hello, i have to say that you can use article marketing robot it is the best software which will also spin your article in number of article.

    thanks!!
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  • Profile picture of the author walterstewart1949
    You want to post your articles that are unique to several different article directories. make sure that they are all original.
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  • Profile picture of the author danr62
    Yes, this is correct. Also, I believe that Web Writer also said basically the same things, only the wording was a bit different.

    So basically, yes. If it is indexed anywhere else it is not unique. Google generally prioritizes the first indexed copy, which is why the pros like Alexa and Paul Uhl and so many others tell you to get it indexed on your site first.

    Most article directories allow you to submit content that is already indexed elsewhere, as long as you hold the original rights to the article.

    Another way of saying original is that you hold the original copyright to it. If it is PLR, the PLR creator holds the copyright and licenses you to use it, so you do not hold the original copyright.

    If you wrote something, of course you have the original copyright. Also, if you hire a ghostwriter to write something for you, you generally hold the original copyright as well.
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  • Profile picture of the author michaelgrisso
    lol. Listen, in the amount of time it took to read all of these answers, you probably could have written 1 unique piece of content, rewrote it 3 times, and submitted those to article directories.

    Here is a play on what I usually have to do for my clients:

    1. Write a unique piece of content (around 400-500 words)
    2. Rewrite it (still an original piece)
    3. Rewrite #2 (still an original piece)
    4. Rewrite #3 (still an original piece)
    5. Rewrite #4 (still an original piece)

    etc., etc., etc.

    The trick is rewriting your rewrites. Don't spend time trying to reword your 1st piece of content over and over again. Otherwise your "unique" rating in the eyes of Copyscape, Dupecop, and all the others will be low. This means a lot of article directories could end up placing editing issues on your content.

    Rewriting your rewrites can easily push you into a 55% to 65% unique rating. While duplicate content myths and other misinterpretations are out there, this provides better time efficiency and less delays in publishing.

    Definitely put your first piece of content on your own website first. It's also a good idea to wait until it's indexed before taking the next step (I think someone said this earlier). Otherwise an "authoritative" article directory could get indexed faster, and then you end up being omitted in the search results.

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    Here is the easiest way (I hope) to explain "unique" and "original" content:

    unique- The information is "one of a kind" and you own full rights to it.

    original- While it's a new piece of content you've written, and you own the rights to it, there are other similar pieces in the same niche. For instance, you write a piece of content on 3 ways to build backlinks to your website. Your 3 choices are forums, article marketing, and web directories.

    Someone else writes a top 5 ways to build backlinks and uses all 3 of your choices, but ads in something like classified ads, etc. So, you both wrote original pieces of content, but they are not "one of a kind."

    I really hope this helps, because my clients have asked me this before. I guess I should write an article on it and submit it to my article directory. If it doesn't make sense I will try to explain it another way.

    Cheers~
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by michaelgrisso View Post

      in the amount of time it took to read all of these answers, you probably could have written 1 unique piece of content, rewrote it 3 times, and submitted those to article directories.
      Or, of course, in even less time than that, you could have submitted it to exactly the same three article directories without re-writing it (exactly as so many successful, full-time, professional, expert article marketers do every day of the week). And got exactly the same benefits from it.
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      • Profile picture of the author michaelgrisso
        Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

        Or, of course, in even less time than that, you could have submitted it to exactly the same three article directories without re-writing it (exactly as so many successful, full-time, professional, expert article marketers do every day of the week). And got exactly the same benefits from it.
        lol, true. I was playing on the length of time it took me to read all the way down the page.
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  • Profile picture of the author savvybizbuilder
    If I were you, I will not submit my blog post to article directories. Instead, make it viral to social bookmarking sites like Digg and Stumble. Sprinkle it to twitter and linkeIn as well.
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  • Profile picture of the author savvybizbuilder
    If I were you, I will not submit my blog post to article directories. Instead, make it viral to social bookmarking sites like Digg and Stumble. Sprinkle it to twitter and linkedIn as well.
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    • Profile picture of the author danr62
      Originally Posted by savvybizbuilder View Post

      If I were you, I will not submit my blog post to article directories. Instead, make it viral to social bookmarking sites like Digg and Stumble. Sprinkle it to twitter and linkedIn as well.
      There is a lot more to making an article go viral than submtting it to bookmarking sites and using twitter.
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  • Profile picture of the author warrich
    Articles that are your own and found on your site or blog will be seen as your own and there will no issue about that. But if the same article is found across the web in different article directories than that content will be counted as duplicate content and will be likely to get punished. For submission to article directories make sure that the article which you are submitting is not submitted to more than 2 directories.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by warrich View Post

      if the same article is found across the web in different article directories than that content will be counted as duplicate content and will be likely to get punished.
      Wrong, wrong, wrong.

      It will not be "counted as duplicate content" for the simple reason that it isn't "duplicate content". It's syndicated content.

      Article Marketers - Lay the Duplicate Content Myth To Rest Once and For All | Internet Marketing and Publishing Please read it, rather than perpetuating all this misinformation!

      Originally Posted by warrich View Post

      For submission to article directories make sure that the article which you are submitting is not submitted to more than 2 directories.
      Where do people get this nonsensical stuff from?!

      It's true that there's very little benefit from multiple directory submission, but there's no downside at all from doing so, and this is really grotesquely misguided advice!

      I don't mean it nearly as rudely as it might sound, Warrich, but it would really help if you read some of these threads to which you so often reply by regurgitating all these urban myths. This is exactly the misinformation which causes all the misunderstandings that give rise to all these threads in the first place!
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  • Profile picture of the author sgtsavvy
    It looks like Alexa laid it down best. Thank you sir.

    Now what about guest blog/article posts? There are a few authoritative sites in my niche with a lot of readership and good pagerank... are these things that you would/should "generally" write UNIQUE content for... or is ORIGINAL content sufficient? *(GIVEN that they have no terms or policies when you submit the content to be published saying it must be 100% unique...
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by sgtsavvy View Post

      Now what about guest blog posts? S
      Ooh, well, they're brilliant ...

      Not so easy to get, mind you, but great when you can do them. Relevant backlinks (typically), and you can attract some targeted traffic from them. And build relationships with other blog/site owners which can lead to further/better things too, of course.

      A guest blog post (in my experience) is typically on much the same sort of site as the ones to which you're hoping to get your articles syndicated anyway ... and confers the same benefits.
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      • Profile picture of the author sgtsavvy
        Ooh, well, they're brilliant ...

        Not so easy to get, mind you, but great when you can do them. Relevant backlinks (typically), and you can attract some targeted traffic from them. And build relationships with other blog/site owners which can lead to further/better things too, of course.

        A guest blog post (in my experience) is typically on much the same sort of site as the ones to which you're hoping to get your articles syndicated anyway ... and confers the same benefits.
        should the content be "UNIQUE" or is ORIGINAL generally sufficient?
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        • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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          Originally Posted by sgtsavvy View Post

          should the content be "UNIQUE" or is ORIGINAL generally sufficient?
          We had an interesting thread on this, not so long ago. I seem to recall being in a minority of one (at the time I posted, anyway) with my answer to this question.

          But it's up to the person whose blog/site it is, really, isn't it? It's their site, so they get to decide what they'll publish? I always offer people content "not yet published in any article directories" and if someone specifically asked me (which they don't) for "content I'm not going to submit to any article directories" I'd consider it, but not be so enthusiastic, because I can perhaps do better without them than with them, if that's what they want. I suppose it would depend how much I think their potential traffic/backlink is probably worth to me (you can't always tell!).

          The people for whom I've done "guest posts" have normally been people I've originally "met" because they syndicated one of my articles from EZA. So those are, by definition, people who don't mind having syndicated content on their sites.

          If I can find that thread, I'll come back and post a link to it.

          Edited to add ... here you are, it was really easy to find: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...uest-blog.html
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        • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
          Originally Posted by sgtsavvy View Post

          should the content be "UNIQUE" or is ORIGINAL generally sufficient?
          Let the individual site answer the question. Look for other guest posts. Copy a ten word snip, preferably from two or more sentences. Do an exact match query on Google. If the snip comes up on multiple sites, check a few dates. If they predate the guest post, original is probably fine.

          Beyond that, you have to judge for yourself. Is the blog or a potential relationship with the blogger important enough to you to craft both original and unique content for that guest post? If it is, go for it. If not, you can fall back on the old network saw - "if you haven't seen it, it's new to you."
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          • Profile picture of the author sgtsavvy
            ya that makes sense, no sense in debate because it ultimately is going to fall back on whose site it is and what their policy/rules are.

            thanks.

            John, your signature rocks.
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