Elance changed my rating from a 1.0 to 5.0 what should i do?

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Just went through a horrible experience with Elance and a provider there and it cost me $1120.
I have been with them since 2003-2004 and spent a good sum of money.

The project was marked cancelled in July but recently it was changed to complete. I then saw i could leave feedback so i did. I left a 1.0 and a scathing but accurate review. Elance said it would be posted within 24 hours.
Nothing for a week.
Then i get on on Sept 16th and Elance has changed my rating from a 1.0 to a 5.0. ( i have screen captures of all of this )

I let it sit for a few days and it stays. I finally write Elance and tell them the gravity of what happened and i have screen captures of the whole thing.

I get two phone calls at my house on a Sunday. Funny how i got Zero help from them for 4 months about the provider that ripped me off. But all of a sudden i am getting phone calls and emails saying he made a "mistake"
He changes my page immediately...but providers page stay with the 5 star for another day. Something seems really wrong here.

So now i wonder how many other times this has happened. If indeed i really did hired a 5 star provider...and what are they covering up.

Any suggestions on what to do about this?

Everything about Elance is based on their rating system and now it is in question for me.

Thanks ahead of time

Shasta
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  • Profile picture of the author Angelz
    It sounds like you weren't clear in what EXACTLY you were expecting from him to complete the job, and so he complained to elance, and they sided with him. Did you outline the milestones to be 100% clear in what you were expecting from the job?
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    • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
      Originally Posted by Angelz View Post

      It sounds like you weren't clear in what EXACTLY you were expecting from him to complete the job, and so he complained to elance, and they sided with him.
      It doesn't matter who they side with, if you leave a one-star review, that is your review and nobody should be changing it to a five-star review. It would be dishonest enough if they just hid it or didn't count it in the average, but actively changing it is simply outrageous and inexcusable.

      I'd post these screenshots publicly somewhere. Do you have a blog?
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      • Profile picture of the author Angelz
        Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

        It doesn't matter who they side with, if you leave a one-star review, that is your review and nobody should be changing it to a five-star review. It would be dishonest enough if they just hid it or didn't count it in the average, but actively changing it is simply outrageous and inexcusable.

        I'd post these screenshots publicly somewhere. Do you have a blog?
        So if a buyer tried to scam a seller, and the seller provides EXACTLY what the buyer asked for or EXACTLY what was promised, but the buyer just didn't get the results they were looking for, does that really warrant a user getting a 1 start review? No.

        You can not unfairly rate someone a 1 star. If it was changed, then it was changed by Elance because they didn't feel it was an honest review. What kind of world do you live in where it is PERFECTLY fair to leave a review which was not accurate of the work done?

        If that was possible, then there would be tonnes of the "big boys" creating fake accounts, and hiring people for jobs then leaving 1 star reviews and therefore destroying their competitions image.

        Luckily, Elance can jump in and moderate at their discretion if they feel the review was not accurate of the work done.
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        • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
          Originally Posted by Angelz View Post

          What kind of world do you live in where it is PERFECTLY fair to leave a review which was not accurate of the work done?
          The one where I look at other people's reviews to see how good a provider is, and when it says "Joe gave this provider 5 stars" I would like that to mean Joe gave this provider 5 stars, not that Joe gave him one star but the provider pissed and moaned at the staff until they changed it to five.

          When I give a review, that is my review, and whether you think it is fair or not I am the one in charge of it. It's perfectly fair for someone at the site to flag that review and say "this review may not be accurate," but it is NOT fair to hide that review so nobody sees it, and it is even LESS fair to change the review so it looks like I gave a good one.
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          • Profile picture of the author Angelz
            Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

            The one where I look at other people's reviews to see how good a provider is, and when it says "Joe gave this provider 5 stars" I would like that to mean Joe gave this provider 5 stars, not that Joe gave him one star but the provider pissed and moaned at the staff until they changed it to five.

            When I give a review, that is my review, and whether you think it is fair or not I am the one in charge of it. It's perfectly fair for someone at the site to flag that review and say "this review may not be accurate," but it is NOT fair to hide that review so nobody sees it, and it is even LESS fair to change the review so it looks like I gave a good one.
            Maybe you should just live in a world where you give an ACCURATE review instead. The problem with sites like elance and freelancer is that people are not clear about the results they want. I can not believe you are actually trying to justify people giving false reviews. Are you trolling me?

            You need to have a very clear way to measure results and a clear set of terms that each person must stick to. If you are not giving VERY clear measurable results then you can't give a bad review of the worker.

            Elance would not change the review unless it was 100% inaccurate based on the results given. If YOU have 100% clear terms when you hire someone, then you won't get scammed. It is your responsibility as an employer to know exactly what you want, and make it clear, especially when you are dealing with someone outside of your country.

            Elance makes it easy to see which country you are dealing with. Would you normally phone someone in a foreign country and make a vague deal with them and expect perfect results? No. So why should Elance be any different? If they are working their butt off to reach the goals you set out, and Elance says they reached those goals, then they deserve 5 stars.
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            • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
              Originally Posted by Angelz View Post

              Maybe you should just live in a world where you give an ACCURATE review instead.
              My review is generally based on how happy I am with your work and how likely I would be to hire you again.

              Please explain how you intend to evaluate the accuracy of that review. "I did what he wanted" has jack squat to do with either of those things.
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              • Profile picture of the author Angelz
                Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

                My review is generally based on how happy I am with your work and how likely I would be to hire you again.

                Please explain how you intend to evaluate the accuracy of that review. "I did what he wanted" has jack squat to do with either of those things.
                Wow. So in your mind, if a seller does exactly what you ask for word for word, but you just don't get the results you thought you would, then they could get a bad review? Nice way to take responsibility.

                That is NOT how ratings systems are meant to be used. This is just silly how some of you guys are refusing to accept YOUR responsibility as the buyer to tell the sellers exactly what you want and set out proper terms for them to follow.

                If they deserve a 1 star review, then they don't deserve to be paid, in which case the job should be cancelled. If you pay them, then they did a good enough job to deserve 3 stars or higher. Why pay someone who doesn't do the job they were supposed to do?

                How does that help anyone?
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      • Profile picture of the author Shastasage
        CDarklot...thanks for this! Someone gets it.
        I went on their forum and asked what was up and people didn't believe Elance did it and thought i was hacked. I tried to explain even if i was hacked no one could possible change it as feed back is a one time thing with Elance..( or so we think)
        I was very clear with details.
        I was naive about a 5 Star being a pro. Heck i have been with them forever and most folks were great providers with a few goof balls inbetween but this 5 star had been with them since the start...who would have thunk?
        But i think what Elance did was worse.
        The banned me from their forum for asking the same question i did hear.

        Something shady going on.

        I will make a youtube video and host it on my site without youtube..then post it here.

        Thanks again!

        Shasta
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        • Profile picture of the author Kay King
          I've done a lot of work through elance (as a provider) and this thread doesn't make sense to me.

          How did you lose money if the project was "canceled". If you paid with elance escrow and the work wasn't done, the money would not be paid to the provider.

          i got Zero help from them for 4 months about the provider that ripped me off.
          Did elance release the payment to the provider without you marking the job complete? If the project was canceled, what "help" did you ask for? I'm not saying you were wrong but the scenario doesn't hold up unless there are facts left out.

          The five star rating is only valuable if the provider has done a lot of work on elance. One or two jobs can get you a 5 star rank but keeping that rating depends on good work on every project you take on.

          Elance would not change the review unless it was 100% inaccurate based on the results given.
          If you are using the rating system to get back at someone, elance will investigate it. If they feel the rating is vindictive, they will not post the comments even thought they may allow the low start rating.

          Sorry - but this sounds like one side of the story and I think there's more to it. I don't understand how you lost money if the work was canceled.

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          • Profile picture of the author Shastasage
            Kay King you analysis sounds like one side of a response.

            And is the attitude that i am sure most providers talk to each other about .
            Much like the Buyers do as seen on the internet.

            Again i ask. If i pay money and am not satisfied are you saying i am not allowed to offer me opinion?
            This is a skewed protected system where Elance protects the providers that make it money.
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            • Profile picture of the author Shastasage
              A lot has changed since the last post...stay tuned!
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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by Angelz View Post

      It sounds like you weren't clear in what EXACTLY you were expecting from him to complete the job, and so he complained to elance, and they sided with him. Did you outline the milestones to be 100% clear in what you were expecting from the job?
      When I was with Elance, they didn't "side" with anyone. It wasn't their policy. The only way to get rid of a bad review was if the person who gave it agreed to it remove or change it.

      Interesting situation ... but naturally, has nothing to do with Warrior Forum and no one here can assist you with an Elance problem.
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      • Profile picture of the author Angelz
        Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

        When I was with Elance, they didn't "side" with anyone. It wasn't their policy. The only way to get rid of a bad review was if the person who gave it agreed to it remove or change it.
        Not true. Maybe you needed to read the fine print in the disputes sections. Elance has people who can moderate transactions if one or both people dispute whether the job was completed as promised or not. It very clearly outlines in their terms that they RARELY will change or remove a review, but they reserve the right to do it in extreme cases.
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        • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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          Originally Posted by Angelz View Post

          Not true. Maybe you needed to read the fine print in the disputes sections. Elance has people who can moderate transactions if one or both people dispute whether the job was completed as promised or not. It very clearly outlines in their terms that they RARELY will change or remove a review, but they reserve the right to do it in extreme cases.
          I guess you missed the "when I was with Elance". Dumped them a long time ago.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        Is there any possibility above zero in your book that the provider did anything wrong here?
        I'm not defending the provide but your attitude toward elance and the way you pursued this. There are some bad providers. There are providers taking jobs they don't have the experience to do. There some with no ethics at all. There are also buyers who change the job, are unclear in what they want, etc.

        My point was that you are bashing elance as unfair and I don't think that's true. They can make mistakes but your way of going about "proving" your case is too aggressive in my opinion.

        And I reiterate - if you take communication outside the elance site, you are removing one of the protections you have. Something good to keep in mind going forward.

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  • Profile picture of the author mariomvr
    Originally Posted by Shastasage View Post

    Just went through a horrible experience with Elance and a provider there and it cost me $1120.
    I have been with them since 2003-2004 and spent a good sum of money.

    The project was marked cancelled in July but recently it was changed to complete. I then saw i could leave feedback so i did. I left a 1.0 and a scathing but accurate review. Elance said it would be posted within 24 hours.
    Nothing for a week.
    Then i get on on Sept 16th and Elance has changed my rating from a 1.0 to a 5.0. ( i have screen captures of all of this )

    I let it sit for a few days and it stays. I finally write Elance and tell them the gravity of what happened and i have screen captures of the whole thing.

    I get two phone calls at my house on a Sunday. Funny how i got Zero help from them for 4 months about the provider that ripped me off. But all of a sudden i am getting phone calls and emails saying he made a "mistake"
    He changes my page immediately...but providers page stay with the 5 star for another day. Something seems really wrong here.

    So now i wonder how many other times this has happened. If indeed i really did hired a 5 star provider...and what are they covering up.

    Any suggestions on what to do about this?

    Everything about Elance is based on their rating system and now it is in question for me.

    Thanks ahead of time

    Shasta
    Hi, I'm tired of elance and odesk's rules as well. They protect too much the employer and not the employee.

    We are in a social media society so you have the power of bringing this case to a new level of seriousness just by sharing it on the right places.
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  • Profile picture of the author David Keith
    i agree that you cant let the rating system be manipulated by the users (fake accounts leaving bad reviews for competitors) or by elance.

    but having said that, there is a possibility of abuse no matter what side you take.

    here is my advice from someone who has spent thousands of dollars outsourcing over the years.

    for small projects just go with the rating system. it is usually pretty accurate. i have been burned, and probably will again, but i am not going to do 8 hours worth of research on a provider i am only planing to spend $50 bucks with.

    for bigger projects, i always contact past employers to get there "off camera" advice about the provider. i usually get a lot more accurate feedback about communication and such when using more private methods.

    this also helps me to decide for myself if the reviewers are really even that qualified to leave a review. much like in the wso section here, many of the reviews saying "great product this will help me make more money" are done by people who have never made money online, so who cares what they think about a MMO product.
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    • Profile picture of the author Shastasage
      Kay King i did get my last Escrow back. I was going after the previous money i paid once she made the admission after the project was over that she couldn't do what she was hired for and it was too advanced and that she wanted to write the book her way and not the transcripts i originally hired her to convert into a book. I know it sounds Waco...and it was...and is.

      When i get the video and blog done i will post it here.

      In the mean time here is a quick version of it. She wrote reams to Elance and my response took days to go through the Emails and ended up being 28 pages long.

      Maybe i am being stubborn but i am done with all the stealing and fraud in this country. This is my little bit of standing up where it is happening.

      Bottom line: whatever you think of me or my story. What do you think of Elance changing my project from "Cancelled" to "Complete" after 2 months?
      Then a week later putting a 5 star for the provider under my account?


      Here is the short version:

      Angelz...are you really serious???

      First off this is not like Amazon...you cannot just go give reviews.
      There is a long process to get to the point of leaving a review.
      Including paying money for the Job provided


      The provider wanted $1500 for the project. A fixed rate project.
      I hired her to review the project for $120 ( separate project ) to make sure she understood what i wanted before i hired her for the $1500 project.
      After i had invested in the first $500 milestone she sent an outline that a highschool student could have done in an hour. I wanted to stop the project. She begged me to go on and let her show me what great work. She said if i wanted to back up and get more of an outline i would have to pay her more because her rate was $45 and hour...mind you this is a fixed rate project. Everything was now hourly in her book and she said after the second mile stone that it would now be $3000 to complete the project based on the hours it would take her.
      She knew i was invested and had a fairly recognizable name and started working me for the money.
      I got 8 pages of off topic material from her for the second $500 milestone...she changed the name of my book without permission and said she was taking my book in a new direction.
      When i let her go she wrote and said that my project couldn't be done as the material was too advanced so she was doing me the favor of making a book that would sell. Can you believe that?

      OK so after i pay her for a review and 2 milestones later she now lets me know that she doesnt think she can write the book i hired her for because its too Advanced?
      This is what i paid her the initial $120 evaluation project to determine
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      Now my book is basically 200 pages of transcripts from my 6 hour 2 dvd set. The same transcripts and DVD's that she called me crying and emotional saying how amazing and powerful they were and how it had dramatically changed her life. The same project she couldn't wait to do.

      So when i fired her and told her i didnt hire her to write her own book i hired her to make my 200 pages of transcripts into a book that people could read as a book not as transcripts of a spoken seminar....she proceeds to use her masters in psychology to write me ( more than the 8 pages i paid $500 for the second milesstone) She wrote me scathing deluded psychological attacks and within it she is still trying to sell me on doing my book her way..... and then at a later date.... trying to do my advanced transcripts ( that changed her life) sometime in the future once i established myself with her book.
      Is this whacked or what?
      Again i have all this documented.

      I wrote Elance and they wont even look at it as they say their dispute assistance is to get the buyer and provider to talk but they cannot make any judgments! What??
      In 2003 when they found out the guy i hired had plagiarized material they took dramatic action so i expected the same . Apparently they have changed how they do business.

      The provider offered to give me back $300 of the $500 and release my escrow. Then an hour later wrote me threatening that if i didn't take her offer she would keep it all (Money and Escrow $1000) including $1350 of material i sent her and she would dispose of the material. I didn't like the threat and though Elance should know what a 5 Star (?) was doing.

      Knowing what i know now i should have taken the offer. I didn't realize that she knew the system and how to game it so well. And i was stupid enough to think Elance would help and not put up with the abuse and power tripping of this provider.
      I wasn't thinking of how much money she was making for Elance.

      By the time it got to arbitration i found out (Through Google searching) that the arbitration company is somehow related to Elance. Others who had gone through this before said their investigations showed the arbitration company is one guy named Bruce who was an ex-coder and always rulled for the provider. They also said that while Elance doesn't get money from the judgments they do get money from the arbitration process.
      When i wrote Elance and asked them if any of this was true they only responded that Elance doens't make money from the Judgments.
      They wouldn't answer any of my other questions.
      And it is $200 to go through this company for arbitration. You cannot hire another arbitration company or take them to court..or do a charge back..all must be resolve through Bruce.
      Their paper work looked worse than any credit card contract you have ever seen. You are basically locked in. And after going through all of this i have to say i think it is a massive fraud. I wondered why Elance has done so much advertising on how protected you are as a buyer...."They doth protest too much". I think word is getting out.

      During the dispute process the provider agreed to send back my material. I sent her my Fed_Ex # and address so she would't have to pay a dime.
      After many requests and two months of not getting my material back so i could continue with my project. Someone from Elance finally contacted me and sounded empathetic.
      Provider wrote to me at the same time and said that if i didn't send her more money in a Postal Money order she would destroy my material in 30 days.
      Nice lady huh!


      Back to Elance Customer support ...The guy was trying to placate me because i told him i was ready to bring the rating change to my list and my podcast audience, my face book and blog. I had always recommended Elance in the past when telling people how to make products. Now i felt i should warn them.
      He was really nice....until i pushed him on the change in my rating.
      For those who have never been through this. Because the Job was never complete it was marked as "cancelled". Now once your job is marked as cancelled you CANNOT leave feedback. It is not an option. Also You cannot as a buyer ever find out why a job was cancelled ( this needs to change as well )
      So two months later when i see the that job has been changed from "cancelled" to "Complete" i also see that i can leave feedback and a review of like 1900 characters.
      So i leave a 1.0 and a long review of how i saw it. Elance says my feedback will be up in less than 24 hours.
      A week later my review is missing but my rating is now a 5.0.
      Now to make a rating of 5.0 you have to rate 6 different things. Things like Would you hire provider again?... and 5 categories like adherence to cost..responsiveness.. professionalism etc.
      So it is not a one click mistake. Someone took effort to do this.

      When i wrote Elance after several days of seeing the 5 star still there. I wrote them and said that the gravity of someone changing the rating could be criminal fraud because their whole system is based on it. How can i now be sure that the 5 Star (?) i originally hired is actually a 5 Star if someone at Elance can change my rating this easily?

      I receive a telephone call on a "Sunday" at my house from this guy apologizing and saying it was his mistake and if i would call him he would explain how it happened.
      I had too much to do that day and didnt respond to him right away or Monday. I got another phone call at my house and 2 emails. Amazing how responsive Elance is now after 2 months of nothing.
      I finally write him and say i am not convinced it was an accident but i am open to what he has to say.
      He writes back and says he has tried to communicate with me and that if i won't call him back he will close my case. I tell him i would like to see his explaination in writing first before i talk to him on the phone.
      He says i am being unresponsive and closes the case ( again All this is documented ). I then find out i am locked out of other things at Elance like their Forum...go figure.

      So here i am wondering my next move.

      On my Facebook i have had private messages from elance providers and buyers who gave my contacts to California Attorney Generals office...A Interested class action Lawyer ...and lots of folks who have had similar experiences.

      I figured there are probably a lot of members here who have dealt with them. Maybe there is something i can do before investing the time and energy and money to take it to court.

      Ideas?

      Shasta
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      • Profile picture of the author Angelz
        Originally Posted by Shastasage View Post

        I hired her to review the project for $120 ( separate project ) to make sure she understood what i wanted before i hired her for the $1500 project.

        After i had invested in the first $500 milestone she sent an outline that a highschool student could have done in an hour.

        I wanted to stop the project. She begged me to go on and let her show me what great work. She said if i wanted to back up and get more of an outline i would have to pay her more because her rate was $45 and hour...mind you this is a fixed rate project. Everything was now hourly in her book and she said after the second mile stone that it would now be $3000 to complete the project based on the hours it would take her.
        She knew i was invested and had a fairly recognizable name and started working me for the money.
        I got 8 pages of off topic material from her for the second $500 milestone...she changed the name of my book without permission and said she was taking my book in a new direction.
        When i let her go she wrote and said that my project couldn't be done as the material was too advanced so she was doing me the favor of making a book that would sell. Can you believe that?

        OK so after i pay her for a review and 2 milestones later she now lets me know that she doesnt think she can write the book i hired her for because its too Advanced?
        This is what i paid her the initial $120 evaluation project to determine.

        Now my book is basically 200 pages of transcripts from my 6 hour 2 dvd set. The same transcripts and DVD's that she called me crying and emotional saying how amazing and powerful they were and how it had dramatically changed her life. The same project she couldn't wait to do.

        I wrote Elance and they wont even look at it as they say their dispute assistance is to get the buyer and provider to talk but they cannot make any judgments!
        This is ridiculous. Do you know what Milestones are used for?

        You as the buyer dropped the ball HUGE on this one and you are EXACTLY the type of buyer I despise. If you didn't like her work, why were you releasing ANY milestones to her?

        The whole point of milestones is that you like their work so far, and you want them to continue down that same path because you are really liking what you see.

        I am preparing to deal with my own problem VERY similar to yours right now, but I am dealing from the sellers point of view. I was hired to do a job, but instead of just letting me do the job the way I wanted, I had to reach certain milestones to get paid. So I changed the way I normally do it, and reached all the milestones EXACTLY as the buyer described them. Now the buyer doesn't like the end results, because he thought that if I reached all the milestones, his site would "go viral", but it hasn't and he blames me.

        Milestones are the EASIEST way to avoid getting ripped off, but you need to know how to use them. If you didn't like the work, you shouldn't have been releasing any milestones.

        As for the class action lawsuit, that is silly as well. Elance reserves the right to change ratings at their discretion, it is listed in their terms of service.

        Do buyers not know how to protect themselves or something? If you are VERY clear about what you want on Elance, it is nearly impossible to get scammed because you are protected by escrow. The sellers are taking ALL of the risk, because they can put hundreds of hours of work in, and not get paid anything if you don't like their final delivery.

        The only thing Elance should be investigated for is why they allow connects to be spent on Jobs that are obviously not real. When someone posts a $10,000 job 10 times and never rewards it to anyone, that is clearly meant as a scam to suck up peoples connects.
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        • Profile picture of the author Kay King
          I think you are way over the top. If you sent 28 pages of this diatribe, not surprising elance did not respond as you wanted. You should be able to state your case chronologically without all the side argument that confuse it.

          When i get the video and blog done i will post it here.
          Don't try that here. Read #1 rule of this forum - this is not a site for attacking someone or something. You can't use this forum to carry on a disagreement with someone.

          i am done with all the stealing and fraud in this country
          What country is that? You don't have one listed.

          On my Facebook i have had private messages from elance providers and buyers who gave my contacts to California Attorney Generals office...A Interested class action Lawyer ...and lots of folks who have had similar experiences.
          Your problem is with one provider on one freelance site - sounds like it's become a personal crusade and those often don't end well.

          I found a recent pic of her on the web...WOW what a difference. I think this says something
          What does it "say"? Can't imagine how you draw a conclusion from an image.

          I wrote Elance and they wont even look at it as they say their dispute assistance is to get the buyer and provider to talk but they cannot make any judgments! What??
          In 2003 when they found out the guy i hired had plagiarized material they took dramatic action so i expected the same . Apparently they have changed how they do business.
          I don't think so - that tells me that first problem you had was a documentated problem. This problem is a mishmash of times when you should have stopped the project but instead allowed yourself to be convinced to continue.

          DID YOU ESTABLISH COMMUNICATION OUTSIDE THE ELANCE SYSTEM? It sounds like that was the case. I never allowed a customer to do that. Using the message system on elance documents every step taken and it protects buyers and providers.

          By the time it got to arbitration i found out (Through Google searching) that the arbitration company is somehow related to Elance.
          Of course it is - I know that from the elance site. The charge is to stop people from artibitrating without first trying to resolve issues.

          It does sound like you hired a bad provider - but you chose the person. You could have stopped the project earlier but didn't. You could have refused to release earlier funds but you didn't and allowed yourself to be convinced.

          Sometimes transactions just don't work out. It's a fact of life and business. Turning one bad outsourcing job into a major cause is a waste of time. Learn and move on.
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          • Profile picture of the author Shastasage
            Kay King you are for sure only looking at one side and are quick to judgement. You are just defending your ideas and not seeking the truth.
            Is there any possibility above zero in your book that the provider did anything wrong here?

            My response included her writing. I probably had 8 pages responding to her 20...remember she is the writer.

            Ok i am new here so i will not post the link here here. I am not for breaking your rules.
            It was not going to be an attack just something showing the screen captures of the rating change. No biggie.

            From the USA

            Personal Crusade...maybe...but the responses i got from both providers ( one with tens of employees on Elance ) tell me that i wasn't alone.
            Sometimes you gotta let stuff go...sometimes you have to play it out.
            Playing it out exposes my naive and not so smart moves...but at the same time hopefully it stops others from going through the same...and maybe even helps improve the system for all.



            Yes you are right i did have communication with her on personal email and on the phone.
            Same as i have done with other providers in the past without issue. It can be much faster and convenient. However after this experience i will have every post within the system. And yes i can see how it seems like a mish mash. It was a quick abbreviated version.

            As far as the first guy back in 2003. It was another Elance provider that found it for me. She ran it through some software called EVE ( not sure if this is accurate ). The provider argued that he changed a few words so it was ok. He was from India so maybe laws are different there. Either way Elance was there for me and got me most of my money back.

            Since then i have had 60 - 70 projects with no issues and me giving most of them 5 star ratings and rave reviews. I have been very happy with Elance until this happened.

            Yep time to move on is right. My wife who is a professional writer also thought she was the writer for the project. After the outline and first milestone my wife asked me to stop with this provider and take the loss or get her to flesh it out more to show she knows the material.
            After a conversation with the provider she convinced me she knew it and please let her continue to prove it ( don't think i didn't pay for that decision in many way's )


            So yeah i screwed up by trusting too much and wanting to see the project continue after my sizable investment in her learning and reading the material. And she had a background in this material...a Masters...and plenty of writing

            But i have only heard you talk about where i screwed up without any possibility or error from the provider. This isn't a casino where i just take it on the chin and move on is it?
            Its a business and she is supposed to be a professional...is there any possibility of her doing something wrong here...or is it just me and i should be glad it wasn't more...and now move on buddy!
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          • Profile picture of the author Shastasage
            Ok so on to what has transpired today.

            I got another phone call and long letter from Elance.

            To be fair it was a very nice letter.

            They apologized for the rating mishap. The guy took full responsibility.

            He also let me know what the provider did wrong..and what he thought i did wrong.

            He also said they were going to reinstate my feed back and let it stick.
            If i want to change it i can talk to the provider first and see if we can work something out.

            Overall very nice tone. I thanked them and said to be fair i wanted to let those i have told about this also know.

            And got a nasty letter from provider in the mean time saying she would write a review to make sure no one would ever work for me again unless i changed it right away.

            Unless anything else major happens...i will let this sit.

            Thanks to everyone who had any kind of understanding for what i experienced.
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  • Profile picture of the author Shastasage
    Man i guess some folks still think the banks did nothing wrong and it was all the buyers fault

    We cannot believe BOA did anything wrong to protect their system.

    PS while writing this i just got a call from Elance saying i am getting a full refund and my most recent feedback will stand....news at 11!
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  • Profile picture of the author Rocket Media
    I smell class-action lol... ROUND EM UP BOYS
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  • Profile picture of the author SEOExpert999
    Wow. This is amazing I have done business on elance i have never had any issues other than making sure I got the right tech.
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  • Profile picture of the author Shastasage
    thanks Kay! i get your last post and understand how where i was after several months of frustration might look like me coming into town with guns blazing.

    Sorry i will do my best to consider the room i am entering next time!
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