Is it called plagiarism ?

13 years ago

Originally Posted by powerbuks

Hi Everyone,

I was thinking of creating a google blogspot page. The content will be related to news and the template will be magazine style.

Now the question is - if I copy the content from any of the news site and publish it over my blog with the complete address of the source mentioned at the bottom of the article will be it considered a plagiarism by google.

Will this effect the ranking of the blog. I know bout the panda update by google but still wanna know your views bout this....

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Powerbuks.

If your blog consists only of syndicated content, you will probably have trouble getting much attention from Google. A mix of syndicated and original is a lot better.

Also, you want to make sure that you are legally allowed to syndicate the content you are reposting.

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Benjamin Ehinger

13 years ago

Originally Posted by burningdrive

If your blog consists only of syndicated content, you will probably have trouble getting much attention from Google. A mix of syndicated and original is a lot better.

Also, you want to make sure that you are legally allowed to syndicate the content you are reposting.

Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very TRUE. The way Google is moving it is going to be hard to get any type of attention if you use syndicated content. I, personally, would recommend at least half your content being unique.

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nicolava

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Jon Patrick

If your blog consists only of syndicated content, you will probably have trouble getting much attention from Google. A mix of syndicated and original is a lot better.

Also, you want to make sure that you are legally allowed to syndicate the content you are reposting.

I am very much agree with this reply. Illegal thing will punish at the end. So, every time, its better to create a post with your own unique words but you can take help from the articles from where you want to copy it.

Google Guidelines is strictly follow the legal rules i.e. Google always on top..

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powerbuks

13 years ago

Thanks for the tip jon, but if I am taking the content from somewhere and mixing up with my own original content what percentage should I follow in that.

What is the acceptable limit of google's plagiarism (10%,20%,30%).

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Jon Patrick 13 years ago

Well, if you're using content which you have permission to syndicate, it's not plagiarism to begin with. As to your last question, I couldn't put an exact percentage on it, but I certainly wouldn't want more than 50% duplicate content on my sites.
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sbucciarel

Banned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by powerbuks

Hi Everyone,

I was thinking of creating a google blogspot page. The content will be related to news and the template will be magazine style.

Now the question is - if I copy the content from any of the news site and publish it over my blog with the complete address of the source mentioned at the bottom of the article will be it considered a plagiarism by google.

Will this effect the ranking of the blog. I know bout the panda update by google but still wanna know your views bout this....

Regards
Powerbuks.

It's copyright infringement and some news sites just cut to the chase and sue people for stealing their content. Not advisable. You cannot copy whole articles, put a link to their site and call it yours. You have to rewrite it. You can add a couple of paragraphs here in there with their link as a quote. That's it.

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mike76

13 years ago

It all depends on the copyright laws in your country. I live in Korea, where copying factual news articles (and TV footage) is ok, but copying editorials or opinion pieces is not. If you're in the US, I'm pretty sure it's only ok for educational purposes, satire, or discussion.

You would do much better just copying key chunks and adding your own commentary.

If you plan to use photo's, you will need to look into that too.

Remember: This is the internet... only worry about the laws of the country you live in, and the laws of your domain host (if you host in a different country). Most countries are Berne Convention signatories. If yours is a Berne Convention signatory, it means that you can't be prosecuted by people from outside of your country, because the copyright laws of YOUR country will be applied to them if they come at you in the local courts.

EDIT: I publish books in Korea that use the content of famous site (NYT, CNN, Guardian, BBC, LA Times, etc.) and they can't touch me

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f5mtadas

13 years ago

yes that is blagiarism. Google will punish you

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Abby Gibbs

13 years ago

No, it is not plagiarism. As long as you have the permission from the author of the contents. But the problem of it is, you will have a trouble with Google.

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powerbuks

13 years ago

Thanks all for your generous feedback. Reading all the reviews I think that picking up the chunks of popular generic news won't do any harm and if it's added with little bit of spices of originality ... I think that will do the trick.

And NIKE always said.... JUST DO IT! I gonna try it out for a month and will let you know the feedback for sure.

Thanks again.. Powerbuks

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Michael Oksa

13 years ago

Originally Posted by powerbuks

Hi Everyone,

I was thinking of creating a google blogspot page. The content will be related to news and the template will be magazine style.

Now the question is - if I copy the content from any of the news site and publish it over my blog with the complete address of the source mentioned at the bottom of the article will be it considered a plagiarism by google.

Will this effect the ranking of the blog. I know bout the panda update by google but still wanna know your views bout this....

Regards
Powerbuks.

Who gives two rips if Google considers it plagiarism? They have NOTHING to do with copyright protection.

The real question is "will it be considered plagiarism by the copyright holder and under the law?"

THAT is the question.

And, yes, based on what you described it WILL be plagiarism.

Nowhere do you mention getting permission, and the phrase "from any news site" implies that you don't care about getting that permission.

Also, even IF you DO have permission, a lot of times you will have to republish it AS IS, and won't be allowed to "mix and match" with other news stories and your own thoughts.

I'm not sure what the news agency was, but if I remember correctly, there was a case a few years ago where somebody got sued for using only 12 words in the type of thing you're describing.

Advice: Don't do it.

All the best,
Michael

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HeySal

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Michael Oksa

Who gives two rips if Google considers it plagiarism? They have NOTHING to do with copyright protection.

The real question is "will it be considered plagiarism by the copyright holder and under the law?"

THAT is the question.

And, yes, based on what you described it WILL be plagiarism.

Nowhere do you mention getting permission, and the phrase "from any news site" implies that you don't care about getting that permission.

Also, even IF you DO have permission, a lot of times you will have to republish it AS IS, and won't be allowed to "mix and match" with other news stories and your own thoughts.

I'm not sure what the news agency was, but if I remember correctly, there was a case a few years ago where somebody got sued for using only 12 words in the type of thing you're describing.

Advice: Don't do it.

All the best,
Michael

You are right Michael - but it wasn't a couple of years ago, it's recent. There are some shark lawyers that troll the net and find news that's been lifted....then they make real good money by getting newspapers, etc. to sue for copyright infringement. Actually it's a very well paying gig for a lawyer. Almost no work and big bucks in return - just the golden ticket people come onto the net looking for, LOL.

REWRITE news? You can use any facts that would be publicly accessible, such as in a police report or a court document. You have to do your own story around those facts.

So lets say that someone's house burnt down and it was found to be arson and the news had a story about it and interviewed a bunch of witnesses.
You would be able to give the fact that the house burnt down and police suspected it was arson because you could walk into the fire department or police station and get that info yourself, it's public access -- you would not be able to use any of the interview material. That material was not public access, the reporter worked to get it and owns that material. You don't even wanna try to rewrite that stuff because if someone goes after you for it (and that is highly likely), it's going to be expensive.

There's a LOT of legislation milling around over copyright at the time - I don't care what country you are from, you need to watch your step when copying other people's material. The EU has some new laws so if you're in the EU, you better look up what they are. Not sure of other countries, but some are following suit so everyone needs to check out their laws. They are trying to globalize copyright and trademarks.

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sbucciarel

Banned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

You are right Michael - but it wasn't a couple of years ago, it's recent. There are some shark lawyers that troll the net and find news that's been lifted....then they may real good money by getting newspapers, etc. to sue for copyright infringement. Actually it's a very well paying gig for a lawyer. Almost no work and big bucks in return - just the golden ticket people come onto the net looking for, LOL.

Actually most, if not all of Righthaven's lawsuits have been overturned and some lawsuits directed back to them. It didn't turn out to be the golden ticket that they had hoped for.

Righthaven had no legal right to sue for copyright infringement, US judge rules
Welcome to Righthaven Lawsuits
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HeySal

13 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

Actually most, if not all of Righthaven's lawsuits have been overturned and some lawsuits directed back to them. It didn't turn out to be the golden ticket that they had hoped for.

Righthaven had no legal right to sue for copyright infringement, US judge rules
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Not the same thing, Suzanne. I'm talking about lawyers representing copyright holders - not third party contractors. In Ravenhouse's case - they just contracted someone to do all their legalities and it wasn't legal to do that. It is legal for a company to use a lawyer to sue. It's the difference of WHO is filing the suit, and Ravenhouse messed up.

If you dig deep enough you will find that it's the same case as a collection agency. They are not the original holders of the contract and if you refuse to deal with them, that's their problem not yours. You can just tell them to send you proof of loss and they are done.

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sbucciarel

Banned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

Not the same thing, Suzanne. I'm talking about lawyers representing copyright holders - not third party contractors. In Ravenhouse's case - they just contracted someone to do all their legalities and it wasn't legal to do that. It is legal for a company to use a lawyer to sue. It's the difference of WHO is filing the suit, and Ravenhouse messed up.

If you dig deep enough you will find that it's the same case as a collection agency. They are not the original holders of the contract and if you refuse to deal with them, that's their problem not yours. You can just tell them to send you proof of loss and they are done.

Righthaven processed the lawsuits themselves (or I suspect ...himself, since he has no real staff). He did not do that as an attorney representing the clients. He did that claiming to have rights to the copyrights in question. The courts have ruled that he does not have rights to the copyrights ... that only the copyright owners can sue ... and of course their attorneys on their behalf.

In it, the copyright owners assign a third party just the right to sue for infringement and keep anything recovered. "I've personally seen cases where non-exclusive licensees of a work were entitled to enforce the copyright, but I haven't seen cases where a party that has no beneficial interest in a work has been allowed to sue for infringement."

The recent rulings may force the infringement mill to file for bankruptcy. Righthaven has filed an emergency appeal with a federal court in Las Vegas, warning that it may file for bankruptcy or cease operations because several courts are weighing whether their lawsuits are frivolous. So bloggers who are on the level may be relieved to know they'll be less likely to be sued in borderline fair use situations. Blogger Triumphs over Copyright Troll - Lawyers.com Blog Online - Lawyers.com

But back to the OP's question, in regards to getting into a newsroom for news content, there are numerous plans to do that ... all of them cost a considerable amount of money for membership.

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Tina Golden 13 years ago

Originally Posted by powerbuks

Seems like making a simple news blog has got to have a lot of work

Originally Posted by powerbuks

The more work the topic entails.. the more I am getting away from the idea of putting up a news blog.

Fixed that for you. Might as well say what you mean.
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powerbuks

13 years ago

ok... I can't copy news. But what if I give it a new title and a new body.... but the news remains the same.... do you think bout that.

Or if I get the news from some openSource free News publishing house.... where I don't have to worry bout the permissions... will that be fine then.

The more refined the topic is getting.. the more I am getting away from the idea of putting up a news blog.

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sbucciarel

Banned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by powerbuks

ok... I can't copy news. But what if I give it a new title and a new body.... but the news remains the same.... do you think bout that.

Or if I get the news from some openSource free News publishing house.... where I don't have to worry bout the permissions... will that be fine then.

The more refined the topic is getting.. the more I am getting away from the idea of putting up a news blog.

What open source free news publishing house exactly?
NO ... you cannot copy the news, no you cannot copy the news.
You must rewrite it unless you are quoting someone directly (a couple of paragraphs with a link to the source).

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justinpaul

13 years ago

You can do it with 20% mix it and check it don't repeat a complete sentence. Either google will panalized you.

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Zack Lim

13 years ago

You will want to be extra careful if you are going to use the content from the news site. It will always be good to check with the news site webmaster so that he can give you the most accurate answer.

You definitely do not want to get involved in any lawsuit case. If you can invest some time to do research and write your own content, you will avoid all these problems.

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ArticlePrincess

13 years ago

Google is extremely strict about plagiarism. All it takes is a report and they will blacklist your site. It's not worth it! Unique content is easy to get, simply write it yourself or hire someone to write it for you.

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powerbuks

13 years ago

Seems like making a simple news blog has got to have a lot of high end technicalities.... As such I have already email an Independent News Agency to check what they got to say bout this.

Sometimes you need to take a membership and then you can get access to the news room.

Lets see.

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winseosoft

13 years ago

Goole hates duplicate content and you site will be deleted from google...or goes to sandbox.
So at least spin them with before you post them...
Hope thi helps , Good luck

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kindsvater 13 years ago

Absolutely everything about this seems to be a bad idea ...

- Using blogspot

- Copying content from other websites

- Worrying about SEO instead of legal issues

I don't see an upside, but plenty of risks.

My suggestion is to come up with another game plan.

Perhaps ...

- Using a platform other than blogspot. Something where you hard earned work will not be deleted by Google. It will happen.

- Writing about something you know. Or, if 'aggregating' news and least doing something other than a copy and paste.

- Thinking, hmmm, this is a cheap, easy, and lazy method with no barrier to entry. Why aren't there a 100 million people doing this and making a fortune?

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NicoleBeckett

13 years ago

Originally Posted by winseosoft

So at least spin them with before you post them...

Oh, won't that look lovely... Instead of talking about the local train that derailed and tied up traffic on the interstate, you can have an article that talks about the "convoy that thwarted and hog-tied transport on the thruway" :rolleyes:

Sadly, I have seen news articles that have been spun. Trust me, they're not going to increase anyone's confidence in your news-gathering abilities, so you might as well not even bother.

To answer the OP's question, to just take news items and post them on your site is likely a copyright violation. However, if you become a member of news services, you might have permission to reprint stuff, or even rewrite it. When I was in news, our station (like virtually all others) paid to have access to the AP Wires. That way, we could take content from the wires and use it in our scripts, or rewrite it to fit the anchor's "style" but keep all of the same facts intact. But had we not paid for that service, it would have been a major copyright violation.

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Michael Oksa

13 years ago

Originally Posted by NicoleBeckett

Oh, won't that look lovely... Instead of talking about the local train that derailed and tied up traffic on the interstate, you can have an article that talks about the "convoy that thwarted and hog-tied transport on the thruway" :rolleyes:

...or "a great conflagration engulfed the edifice and razed it to terra firma" instead of "the building burned to the the ground".

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jaycee422 13 years ago

Tina if they did that Huffington Post, Mashable, and all the other Multi Million $ blogs would be out of business
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williamspd

13 years ago

Originally Posted by NicoleBeckett

Oh, won't that look lovely... Instead of talking about the local train that derailed and tied up traffic on the interstate, you can have an article that talks about the "convoy that thwarted and hog-tied transport on the thruway" :rolleyes:

LOL, I sense a thread derailing... just to keep the train metaphor going.

'Neighbourhood appendage that went off the rails and trussed up passengers on the freeway" was just one spun variation that I was able to get by clicking that sentence a few times to see it spin. Don't do this at home folks.

Jaycee has a point though - don't Huffington & Mashable tread a thin line on this sort of thing?

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mysterrio 13 years ago

I think unique content is always better. You can use some PLR or Articles from ezine or where ever too but the more unique content the better.
Also - plagiarism is when you out right steal someone'swork and call it your own.
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12 years ago

Originally Posted by NicoleBeckett

Oh, won't that look lovely... Instead of talking about the local train that derailed and tied up traffic on the interstate, you can have an article that talks about the "convoy that thwarted and hog-tied transport on the thruway" :rolleyes:

Sadly, I have seen news articles that have been spun. Trust me, they're not going to increase anyone's confidence in your news-gathering abilities, so you might as well not even bother.

To answer the OP's question, to just take news items and post them on your site is likely a copyright violation. However, if you become a member of news services, you might have permission to reprint stuff, or even rewrite it. When I was in news, our station (like virtually all others) paid to have access to the AP Wires. That way, we could take content from the wires and use it in our scripts, or rewrite it to fit the anchor's "style" but keep all of the same facts intact. But had we not paid for that service, it would have been a major copyright violation.

To put it another way...

Oh, will not that seem lovely... Instead chatting about the regional coach that tangled up traffic on the interstate and derailed, you might have a document that talks about the 'convoy that thwarted and hog-tied transportation on the thruway of

Sadly, I have witnessed announcement articles that have been spun. Trust me, they're not planning to improve anyone's assurance in your news-gathering capabilities, so you might as well not even trouble.

To answer the OP's problem, to post them on your site and simply take information items is likely a copyright breach. Nonetheless, if you become a member of information services, you may have permission to reprint things, or perhaps edit it. , our section (like virtually all people) paid to have access to the AP Cables when i was in news. This way, employ it in our programs and we will carry information from the wires, or rewrite it to suit the anchor's 'design' but maintain all of the same facts undamaged. But had we not compensated for that support, it'd have been an important copyright infraction.

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Prosecutor

13 years ago

If you copy it verbatim, yes, Google unfortunately penalize you for it. Furthermore, you can get into legal hot water doing this as well.

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timpears

13 years ago

Most news articles are rewrites of other news articles. They all feed off of each other. So don't steal the content, look up articles on the subject you want and rewrite them using multiple articles for your inspiration.

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powerbuks

13 years ago

Seems like I can always re-write the article, just need to make sure it's got to be original and the exclusive facts should be left out.

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sbucciarel Banned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by powerbuks

Seems like I can always re-write the article, just need to make sure it's got to be original and the exclusive facts should be left out.

Curation is what you might be looking for. It's a combination of quoting/citing other blogs/sites and then adding your own perspective. It's still a lot of work as you cannot use a lot of someone else's articles and your contribution to the post should be more than 50%.

I have a curated blog and I cite other blogs (no more than 3 paragraphs) with a link back to the source and then I expand on the topic and add content that is 100% mine, as in I wrote it and it's my ideas and opinions.
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uumair

13 years ago

plagarism is strictly not allowed, topics can be same as if some news brokout many writers will write about that, if u post copywritten content or image you should give the link in refrence.

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Alexa Smith Banned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by uumair

if u post copywritten content or image you should give the link in refrence.

This is nonsense.

I think you're confusing "copyrighting" with "copywriting", but anyway giving a link as a reference does not (contrary to what many people imagine) excuse or justify the posting of copyright material or images.
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ryanmilligan

Banned 12 years ago

Plagarism is when you copy something.

So if you copy something word for word, then yes.

Although Google probably wont even notice you if you arn't using any of your won content.

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joshmstanton

12 years ago

Google isn't going to penalize you for having duplicate content on your site. Instead try to think of it like this -

If Page A and Page B have the same content, then the page that has the better SEO will outrank the other accordingly - usually that's the page that was launched first.

There's no direct penalty, it's just easier to rank for the target keyword if you write your own unique content...that's what G's really looking for. ;-)

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James Patch

Banned 12 years ago

Just spin the content and it will be fine. There are plenty online spinners.

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8 years ago

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