What is up with all the watch me threads?

[Kevin Riley]

Watch me watching paint dry.

Warning: This exciting event may not be for those who are faint of heart.

[Steven Wagenheim]

I thought this was appropriate for this thread.

YouTube - Rockwell - Somebody's Watching Me:...

[Pat Ordenes]

ExRant, I think you may be in the wrong line of work!
Your detective skills are out there...
Its a shame to see these things happen as far as WSOs are concerned, since this is one of the few forums like this were you get pretty good, reliable info, so you expect pretty good, reliable products...

[Bev Clement]

Originally Posted by JayXtreme

So are y'all sayin' you aren't gonna watch me or not?...

I was sure people would watch me..

My mother said people would watch me

Hey!!... why aren't you watchin'?..

Sheesh.. gonna watch Ballamory with my daughter instead of dancing like a monkey...

Peace

Jay

p.s. This thread reminds ME of a Dr. Dre tune from my teens.. "the watcher", I think

Are you sure you didn't mean to say "Watch with mother!!!!!!"

YouTube - Watch With Mother - Andy Pandy

[JohnMcCabe]

Originally Posted by Kay King

We had the same "watch me" and "challenge" threads in the old forom - but the minute a WSO was mentioned, those were deleted. They seem to come in waves - when one such thread gets a lot of posts and attention, a dozen more are started.

And they say the NFL is a copycat league. Ol' Bill "Candid Camera" Belichick has nothing on these guys.

Of course, now that they've been outed, it's like the old joke about the four most dangerous words in the world - "Hey, y'all, watch this!"

[R Hagel]

A hat tip to all the great detective work on this thread.

I think there are only two "watch me" threads worth watching:

1. Pearson's (of course).

2. The "watch the Warrior Women do the photo shoot" thread.

Cheers,
Becky

[Kay King]

I can't even view a "watch me" thread without thinking of #1 son shouting "watch me, Mom" every time he jumped off the diving board at the pool.

But then there was #2 son who didn't shout "watch me" but jumped into the deep end "to see if I could swim" - he couldn't.

Maybe it's best the "challenge-watch me" people keep posting their "Big$$$-few days" as it alerts some of us to keep an eye on what they are really doing.....

kay

[Kevin Riley]

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

I thought this was appropriate for this thread.

Oh man, that brings back some old memories. Thanks.

[Louis Raven]

I love the "watch me" challenges and find them great learning for making money.

I for the love of money can't decide what goes on a blog and what for the main forum so I don't start threads as often as I used to. I understand the main forum is for discussion but my threads/blog posts all provoke discussion.

I'm not looking for a detailed example either .

Louis

P.S. shame on those multiple ID muppets.

[adamv]

Originally Posted by Janeese

I have encountered the same thing. When I figure it out I will pass it on

Wow, you're really cookin'.

8 one line posts that add no value to the forum in 1/2 an hour. Keep up the good work and you'll have that post count up high enough for a WSO in no time.

(Note the heavy sarcasm, I'm laying it on pretty thick.)

[tommygadget]

Allen let us be moderators for a reason. When you see these threads setup only to promote a WSO, just report them. That is what I do. BTW, thanks for the thumbs up Jeremy.

TomG.

[adamv]

Originally Posted by tommygadget

Allen let us be moderators for a reason. When you see these threads setup only to promote a WSO, just report them. That is what I do. BTW, thanks for the thumbs up Jeremy.

TomG.

I've reported so many in the past few days I feel like the forum police.

I just happen to enjoy giving these people a hard time with smart ass remarks.

[ExRat]

Hi Pat,

ExRant, I think you may be in the wrong line of work!

I've been called a few variations of my ID, but that's about the coolest and most appropriate freudian slip of the lot.

[Alan Petersen]

The rant worked. WSO's are history and I think the network has been broken up and banned. Thanks for the detective work!

Man I find it hard enough keeping myself organized I can't imagine managing multiple ID's where I'm having discussions with myself.

Originally Posted by ExRat

Hi Pat,



I've been called a few variations of my ID, but that's about the coolest and most appropriate freudian slip of the lot.

[jhiggins]

I must admit, the "Follow me while I make $1 in 8 Weeks" thread almost had me splitting my sides. I'm laughing my a$$ off again now just typing this and thinking about it. Just my kind of humor.

Jonathan

[Steven Wagenheim]

Originally Posted by tommygadget

Allen let us be moderators for a reason. When you see these threads setup only to promote a WSO, just report them. That is what I do. BTW, thanks for the thumbs up Jeremy.

TomG.

Hey Tommy, love that you finally uploaded your photo.

So that's what you've been hiding all this time.

[Cynthia A.]

Originally Posted by ExRat

Hi John,



Just bear in mind that there seems to be a fair a fair bit of ID shilling going on, so in fact these threads might not be as popular as they seem.

What is ID shilling?

[John Rowe]

O, what a tangled web we weave...

Originally Posted by ExRat

...and then look at comment number #11 - which is from a 'buyer' who apparently has nothing to do with the above mentioned IDs, do you see the website in the sig file -



See the theslidesharesecret.info sig? And apparently he's their first affiliate of one of their products, as well as a buyer of the WSO.

Well domain tools has an interesting twist -
Theslidesharesecret.info - The Slide Share Secret



It seems that the domain of the WSO buyer is owned by the creator of the WSO. Interesting.

[Ken Strong]

What is up with all the "What is up" threads?

[Kay King]

WSO's are history

....and so are those "members"

Good work!

[Angela V. Edwards]

Originally Posted by Alan Petersen

Man I find it hard enough keeping myself organized I can't imagine managing multiple ID's where I'm having discussions with myself.

I totally hear you on that one! I have enough to do without adding posting to myself to the mix.

[Thomas Belknap]

These scammers would be so much further ahead if they just put the same amount of time into something constructive for their business.

Honestly, I think they spend more time and effort scamming than they would actually making money online.

[Martin Luxton]

Originally Posted by Cynthia A.

What is ID shilling?

You know those people in the street with three cups and a coin? Find the coin under the right cup and you win.

Just to show you how easy it is one 'random' person in the audience tries it and wins a couple of times. Then you have a go and lose and the previous 'winner' has disappeared.

In online marketing shills tell everybody how they bought the product and that it is better than viagra/Ben & Jerry's ice cream/English breakfast (insert your own comparison here).

More sophisticated shilling tactics include

1. Having a customer service 'problem' that is instantly resolved by the seller and makes them look like Kevin Riley on steroids.

2. Making a groundless accusation against the seller which creates controversy and gains sympathy for them, particularly when s/he wins the argument.

Martin

[Thomas Belknap]

Originally Posted by OfflineMaster

Actually, quite a few people who have been doing these watch me threads are just trying to help the community! The $10,000 in 45 days thread has helped quite a few people...

I was referring to Roger's post regarding the scammers he found.

I personally think most are doing it to launch a wso. Luckily we don't have to agree all the time on the forum.

[EndGame]

May i ask who is Pearson and what is his thread? Seems to be a popular one with you guys, but I think I missed it.

[Thomas Belknap]

Originally Posted by EndGame

May i ask who is Pearson and what is his thread? Seems to be a popular one with you guys, but I think I missed it.

Follow along with me while I try to make $1 in just 10 weeks.


Pearson really knows this business inside and out. Great read and I am positive you will learn a lot.

[Martha Richardson]

Hey! You looking at ME? YOU LOOKING AT ME?!

[Doug English]

This OP should be a sticky or something.

There is a current 'watch me' thread that is so obviously a 'bait' thing...I really can't believe its lasted this long. The particular poster was already called out before...nothing much came of it.

I'll probably get those 'infraction' things for this post, but cmon....walks like a duck, sounds like a duck, etc...

I've never been an active poster here, but I've visited many times daily for a long time to get some great info. Its getting harder and harder to wade thru the crap.

I think some of the old timers here should be allowed to violate rule #1. They've earned the respect and proved their sincerity...

Just hitting the report button doesn't seem to cut it.

[Dana_W]

Three possible theories as to why all the Watch Me threads:

1.) The Warrior Forum is full of exhibitionists
2.) It's done to distract us from the Riley Mankini threads - if we're watching these threads, we don't have to see Riley in all his "glory".
3.) Riley's mutated super-intelligent hamsters created these threads to distract us, so we won't notice them breaking out of the lab and conquering Osaka. And then all of Japan. And then the world.

[Jason Moffatt]

When I hit 2000 posts I decided I was going to let Warriors watch me build a video game blog and show them how I monetized it from A to Z.

It was going to be a lot of fun.

I had no agenda of turning it into a WSO or profiting from Warriors in any way. I just thought it was a nice gesture to give back, and once I committed to it I would be forced to finish it to the end.

Heck, I even hired on help to take care of the blog.

But guess what happened?

A few people bitched about it and were complaining about it being promotional in some way. The thread was deleted by mods and I was pretty pissed. Pissed enough that I almost stopped posting here all together.

Allen revived the thread cuz he knows my agenda isn't malicious around here. Then it got booted to off topic, and a variety of crap. Bottom line was, I got fed up. Didn't do it. Wasted time and money to get it rolling, but after the treatment I got, decided screw giving away that much killer info for free to folks around here.

I really feel like a lot of Warriors missed out. I had BIG plans for that blog and had a team of people (some Warriors too) involved to really pimp it out.

It was sad that people have some sort of problem with me sharing with others. Since that day, I've provided very little value to the Warrior forum. It felt like a stab in the back.

However, I'll admit this place is quite addicting, so I stick around. To be brutally honest, sometimes I have to wonder why though, especially since I rarely take advantage of the WSO's or try to make any money around here.

Basically I have a group of loyal friends that bring me back here. But I'd be lying if I didn't admit that I was really let down by Warriors throwing a ax in a really cool project that I put a lot of hard work into.

Anyhow, I think I'm gonna start a new thread...

Watch me drink a bunch of beers and make a ass of myself.

[Steven Wagenheim]

Originally Posted by Jason Moffatt

When I hit 2000 posts I decided I was going to let Warriors watch me build a video game blog and show them how I monetized it from A to Z.

Jason, if I remember correctly that was sometime last year. I always
wondered what happened to that thread. I was very interested to see
what you were going to do.

Oh well. Sorry it didn't work out.

[sevenish]

Originally Posted by Kay King

I can't even view a "watch me" thread without thinking of #1 son shouting "watch me, Mom" every time he jumped off the diving board at the pool.

But then there was #2 son who didn't shout "watch me" but jumped into the deep end "to see if I could swim" - he couldn't.

Not to go off topic, but those memories came back to me too. My #2 was a daughter, but had similar logic and bravado at that age.

[adamv]

Originally Posted by Jason Moffatt

When I hit 2000 posts I decided I was going to let Warriors watch me build a video game blog and show them how I monetized it from A to Z.

It was going to be a lot of fun.

I had no agenda of turning it into a WSO or profiting from Warriors in any way. I just thought it was a nice gesture to give back, and once I committed to it I would be forced to finish it to the end.

Heck, I even hired on help to take care of the blog.

But guess what happened?

A few people bitched about it and were complaining about it being promotional in some way. The thread was deleted by mods and I was pretty pissed. Pissed enough that I almost stopped posting here all together.

Allen revived the thread cuz he knows my agenda isn't malicious around here. Then it got booted to off topic, and a variety of crap. Bottom line was, I got fed up. Didn't do it. Wasted time and money to get it rolling, but after the treatment I got, decided screw giving away that much killer info for free to folks around here.

I really feel like a lot of Warriors missed out. I had BIG plans for that blog and had a team of people (some Warriors too) involved to really pimp it out.

It sucks that someone like you who would have given people something of real value gets shut down.

The people who post self promotional crap ruin things for everyone by taking away an opportunity for everyone else to learn something.

I love this forum and there is a lot of great information here but I wonder how much more fantastic FREE information would be here if some people didn't screw it up for the rest of us.

In addition to some good threads getting deleted with the bad ones, people are also complaining that good informative posts are quickly getting buried under the pile of crappy promotional posts.

I guess I'll have to keep reporting the bad ones and maybe start handing out infractions like Halloween candy.

[Noel2010]

Watching and learning. That's my one-liner.

[John Rowe]

Originally Posted by adamv

It sucks that someone like you who would have given people something of real value gets shut down.

The people who post self promotional crap ruin things for everyone by taking away an opportunity for everyone else to learn something.

Adam,

I don't remember ever seeing whatever Jason is talking about, but don't cry too hard for him. There sure was nothing stopping him from starting a blog and letting Warriors watch him monetize a video blog from there.

After all, that's how Jason got his start. Ed & Frank put up a site. They didn't come here to get an audience for their 30-Day-Challenge, only to cancel everything because Allen moved the Challenge to the Off Topic section.

Don't be too hard on the forum Adam, it's a decent resource.

[Jason Moffatt]

Originally Posted by John Rowe

Adam,

I don't remember ever seeing whatever Jason is talking about, but don't cry too hard for him. There sure was nothing stopping him from starting a blog and letting Warriors watch him monetize it his video blog from there.

After all, that's how Jason got his start. Ed & Frank put up a site. They didn't come here to get an audience for their 30-day Challenge, only to cancel the whole thing because Allen moved the Challenge to the Off Topic section.

Adam, don't be too hard on the forum, it's a decent resource.

John,

I never attempted to do anything like the 30 day challenge.

It would be helpful if you knew what you were talking about!

Especially since you even said yourself...

"I don't remember ever seeing whatever Jason is talking about"

Naw wud I'm sayin man?

And oh yeah,

The whole thing was taking place on a blog, that was gonna be
run by rockstar Warrior Craig Desorcy!

And yes, a decent resource, but that would kinda be a big
understatement don't ya think?

[adamv]

Originally Posted by John Rowe

Adam,

Don't be too hard on the forum Adam, it's a decent resource.

I agree. It's a great resource and that's why I'm reporting so many of these "thanks for the info" posts intended to boost post count but not adding any value.

I've learned a lot from this forum and try to contribute when and where I can. I wasn't bashing the forum I was just bitching about the people that are spamming this place.

[lgibbon]

Originally Posted by Jason Moffatt

Then it got booted to off topic, and a variety of crap. Bottom line was, I got fed up. Didn't do it. Wasted time and money to get it rolling, but after the treatment I got, decided screw giving away that much killer info for free to folks around here.

I think you need to get over yourself.
The forum doesn't revolve around you.

[Johnny Slater]

Originally Posted by lgibbon

I think you need to get over yourself.
The forum doesn't revolve around you.

Nor you either Les

[Jason Moffatt]

Originally Posted by lgibbon

I think you need to get over yourself.
The forum doesn't revolve around you.

And I never implied it did. I'm not on some kind of high horse dude.

I said I was simply fed up, and ditched the project. That was my bad, not the forums. But it pissed me off, mostly because so many people were pumped about it as well. But o well.

I'd love to bring it out of the woodworks someday. The first promo video I wrote was four 75 year old grandma's drinking Whiskey, playing Grand Theft Auto on Xbox, and swearing up a storm at young whipper snappers playing against them on Xbox Live.

It's wicked funny.

[kumar]

Originally Posted by Jason Moffatt

When I hit 2000 posts I decided I was going to let Warriors watch me build a video game blog and show them how I monetized it from A to Z.

It was going to be a lot of fun.

I had no agenda of turning it into a WSO or profiting from Warriors in any way. I just thought it was a nice gesture to give back, and once I committed to it I would be forced to finish it to the end.

Heck, I even hired on help to take care of the blog.

But guess what happened?

A few people bitched about it and were complaining about it being promotional in some way. The thread was deleted by mods and I was pretty pissed. Pissed enough that I almost stopped posting here all together.

Allen revived the thread cuz he knows my agenda isn't malicious around here. Then it got booted to off topic, and a variety of crap. Bottom line was, I got fed up. Didn't do it. Wasted time and money to get it rolling, but after the treatment I got, decided screw giving away that much killer info for free to folks around here.

I really feel like a lot of Warriors missed out. I had BIG plans for that blog and had a team of people (some Warriors too) involved to really pimp it out.

It was sad that people have some sort of problem with me sharing with others. Since that day, I've provided very little value to the Warrior forum. It felt like a stab in the back.

However, I'll admit this place is quite addicting, so I stick around. To be brutally honest, sometimes I have to wonder why though, especially since I rarely take advantage of the WSO's or try to make any money around here.

Basically I have a group of loyal friends that bring me back here. But I'd be lying if I didn't admit that I was really let down by Warriors throwing a ax in a really cool project that I put a lot of hard work into.

Anyhow, I think I'm gonna start a new thread...

Watch me drink a bunch of beers and make a ass of myself.

Jason,

I am sure you had good intentions to help people here. I obviously wasn't a member back then, but I think it could have set a false precedent for others to follow, specially those whose sole aim is to gain traffic to their blogs or build a pseudo-reputation here. And in case we would have called them out, they would have cried, "But you allowed J-Mo's blog to stay here!"

[Alan Petersen]

Originally Posted by Jason Moffatt

Anyhow, I think I'm gonna start a new thread...

Watch me drink a bunch of beers and make a ass of myself.

Looking forward to the WSO of that.

[Paul Myers]

Les,

I think you need to get over yourself.
The forum doesn't revolve around you.

Directed at Jason, I find that statement... curious. I've never seen any evidence that he feels anything of the kind. On the contrary, I have seen him consistently try to be helpful, from his perspective.

That you don't agree with that perspective is not surprising. You and he have very different outlooks on the world, each of which is helpful in its own way. Seen from that angle, one could make the same comment to you, and it would be equally inapplicable. And equally attractive, to people who disagree with you.

Adam,

I love this forum and there is a lot of great information here but I wonder how much more fantastic FREE information would be here if some people didn't screw it up for the rest of us.

The loss to the membership over the years from the kind of thing that Jason describes has been huge. There might be as many as a half dozen of the longer term members who have any idea just how bad it is.

I remember when John Reese first started posting here. Some of the village idiots attacked him, and Jonathan Mizel commented, as near to verbatim as I can recall, "You fools! Don't chase Reese out of here, too!"

I was surprised that no-one seemed to catch the significance of that last word.

Detailing the loss would be pointless, and would take pages. Let's just say that we deserve every bit of it, for allowing the "guru bashing" threads, generic or specific, and not rejecting the people that attack anyone who's managed to do better than them as the envious, spiteful little cancers that they are.

Yes, some people call them on their behavior. Not nearly enough of us, and not nearly often enough.


Paul

[Paul Myers]

Kumar,

And in case we would have called them out, they would have cried, "But you allowed J-Mo's blog to stay here!"

To which the proper response would be:

"Yeah. Figure out what was different, and we might let you do it, too. Until then, go away."


Paul

[Jeremy Kelsall]

Originally Posted by Paul Myers

"Yeah. Figure out what was different, and we might let you do it, too. Until then, go away."
Paul

EXACTLY!! Someone GIVING away the type of info that would have been shared would have been the equivalent to a $997 product somewhere. What makes it stick though is the fact that almost everyone here knows that JMO can pull it off

That's like saying if John Reese came in and started a thread saying he was going to show us exactly how he drives a million visitors a month to his site, who the hell would delete that?

[ExRat]

Hi Jmo,

I'm not on some kind of high horse dude.

He smoked it himself - screw the horse.

Hi Paul,

I remember when John Reese first started posting here. Some of the village idiots attacked him, and Jonathan Mizel commented, as near to verbatim as I can recall, "You fools! Don't chase Reese out of here, too!"

I was surprised that no-one seemed to catch the significance of that last word.

Detailing the loss would be pointless, and would take pages. Let's just say that we deserve every bit of it, for allowing the "guru bashing" threads, generic or specific, and not rejecting the people that attack anyone who's managed to do better than them as the envious, spiteful little cancers that they are.

Oops.

[Paul Myers]

Jeremy,

That's like saying if John Reese came in and started a thread saying he was going to show us exactly how he drives a million visitors a month to his site, who the hell would delete that?

Half the membership. Seriously.

It wouldn't matter one bit if everything in the thread was possible without buying anything at all, much less John's product. The fact that he has a product on traffic would make people accuse him of being self-promotional, as though that's somehow evil by itself.

This is something most folks here never quite get their heads around. People create products on the subjects they know the most about. That also happens to be the area in which they can offer the most help to others. No coincidence there, and no conspiracy. Just plain logic.

One of the guidelines I always used when I was moderating was a question: Is the information in this post useful on its own, without needing to buy a product? If so, it's a valid post. If not, it's not.

The decision was based solely on the content of the post. I deliberately ignored sig files for purposes of answering that question, unless the poster made a reference that seemed to point to theirs. That provided a balance of interests that worked. People got to promote their knowledge and their products, in ways that were helpful whether someone purchased anything from them or not.

Win-win.

People pay waaay too much attention to the correlation of sig files and post content these days, and way too little to the value of the content itself.

When I released a product on writing recently, I fully expected to be accused of being self-promotional for my usual habit of commenting in threads about writing. But I didn't really care. Most people don't want the grief.


Paul

[Kevin Riley]

Originally Posted by lgibbon

I think you need to get over yourself.
The forum doesn't revolve around you.

That's a bit harsh. I've never seen Moffatt imply that it has. When he tried to help by doing a cool case study, it was BS that there were complaints. I think case studies are a valuable addition to the forum. Anybody who doesn't want to watch doesn't have to enter that thread.

[Paul Myers]

Kevin,

"Harsh" is a generous understatement.

There are topics I won't touch here any more. Anything I have to say about them is said in private, with a "keep my name out of it" request.

Everyone has limits, and the fallout from my response to someone pushing those buttons again would not be helpful to the rest of the group. So, I just stay away.


Paul

[Kurt]

Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap

Now Pearson's was great but I noticed more and more of these threads popping up. I am just wondering why that is?

Is there a reason why you can put it on a blog here instead of bumping the threads up each and every day?

We are missing some great information. For example Kurt posted some great info on how you can automate content and there is hardly any replies to that while I am seeing "Watch me make so and so in 1 hour" threads.

I do notice wso's are spurting up from the same people that want to be watched.

Thanks Thomas...

To be honest, it's very frustrating. It seems there's only two types of threads people are interested in any more:

1. Threads about "Look at me! Look at me!"

2. Threads that talk about the "Look at me" threads...

Does any one here really want to learn anything new, or do we just want to have a social gathering where we all just gossip about each other?

So what if someone makes a post that may be self-promotional. As long as there's something to learn in the post, that should be good enough.

Those threads are FAR BETTER than the "threads that talk about threads" and do nothing but state how each participant feels how this forum should be run.

No! It's you to YOU to post good threads and posts and to participate in the "good" threads. But instead, you have to clutter the forum and keep bumping the "threads about threads threads".

This ends my participation in threads about threads.