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13 years ago

You mean, like people from Pakistan or India claiming to be from Chicago or Liverpool?

Yeah.

Here's the pattern: They have accounts created in the city they claim to be from using proxies, either human or machine. When they get called on it, they claim the posts from other countries were made by employees to whom they outsource the work.

Sometimes it's even true. But usually not.

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Steve Wells

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Paul Myers

You mean, like people from Pakistan or India claiming to be from Chicago or Liverpool?

Yeah.

Here's the pattern: They have accounts created in the city they claim to be from using proxies, either human or machine. When they get called on it, they claim the posts from other countries were made by employees to whom they outsource the work.

Sometimes it's even true. But usually not.

Paul

Well, I wasn't going to call them out on it, but since you did, yep, thats exactly what I mean....

They say they are based in the UK, London, or New York, or Chicago, California, some of the major cities.

Then they offer design services for like under $35.00 - $50.00 or some other super low ball price, which you know someone would never offer in cities like the ones they are from.

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sbucciarel

Banned 13 years ago

This was a huge issue on Elance until I made a big fuss about it. Providers could literally list their location as anything they wanted to, without a proxy. It didn't matter to Elance that people from Pakistan and India and China were lowballing on US projects, all the while pretending that they were US providers, so I'm sure the problem isn't confined to just the freelance sites.

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Tina Golden

13 years ago

Writing services and providers have been doing this for a while. They'll say they are based in the US or UK and they're in India or wherever. They'll also say they are native English writers and when you call them on it, they say they've had to take English in school their whole lives so it counts.

I don't deal with people again if I catch them in a lie. I don't care how good they are at what they do, either. I don't like liars and I choose not to work with them once I know.

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Banned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Tina Golden

Writing services and providers have been doing this for a while. They'll say they are based in the US or UK and they're in India or wherever. They'll also say they are native English writers and when you call them on it, they say they've had to take English in school their whole lives so it counts.

This one has gotten me a couple of times. Writers that have perfect samples, claim to be in US or UK, claim a degree in English and to be native English writers. Hire them and it's painfully obvious that they are not native English writers at all. This is why I only give out very small projects until a writer can write the content that I need.

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Tina Golden

13 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

This one has gotten me a couple of times. Writers that have perfect samples, claim to be in US or UK, claim a degree in English and to be native English writers. Hire them and it's painfully obvious that they are not native English writers at all. This is why I only give out very small projects until a writer can write the content that I need.

I check samples when considering a new writer but yeah, it doesn't always reflect the truth. There's quite a trade in pre-made samples in certain other places on the web. I'm the same, Suzanne, I start out with one article, then maybe 3 before I consider anything larger.

Another thing I hate is when they tell you they do everything themselves but when you get the work back, it's obviously the work of multiple people. Fine if it's all good work, but I have yet to encounter that scenario.

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Steve Wells

13 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

This was a huge issue on Elance until I made a big fuss about it. Providers could literally list their location as anything they wanted to, without a proxy. It didn't matter to Elance that people from Pakistan and India and China were lowballing on US projects, all the while pretending that they were US providers, so I'm sure the problem isn't confined to just the freelance sites.

Yep, that's exactly what I am talking about........

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onegoodman

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Steve Wells

Yep, that's exactly what I am talking about........

It is a shame that Elance doesn't take an action. They probably are not doing it only for trust but to earn more, they know people welling to pay more to hire someone from the same company

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Steve Wells

13 years ago

Originally Posted by onegoodman

It is a shame that Elance doesn't take an action. They probably are not doing it only for trust but to earn more, they know people welling to pay more to hire someone from the same company

It always boils down to earning more, but in order to do that, they want to be trusted, so they use a city or country that is reputable, or looks reputable.

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Azarna 13 years ago

I don't care where someone comes from.

But I do care if they are lying to me. If they lie about this, what else do they lie about?
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Originally Posted by Steve Wells

It always boils down to earning more, but in order to do that, they want to be trusted, so they use a city or country that is reputable, or looks reputable.

I hope this is not some grand epiphany for you, I think this is blatantly apparent to 99% of Warriors. Notwithstanding, what's it to you where someone wants to identify with as their home/base/etc. locale?

Focus on the service, reviews, quality, price, etc...factors that impact the service/product and its acquisition.

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Tina Golden

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Security

I hope this is not some grand epiphany for you, I think this is blatantly apparent to 99% of Warriors. Notwithstanding, what's it to you where someone wants to identify with as their home/base/etc. locale?

Focus on the service, reviews, quality, price, etc...factors that impact the service/product and its acquisition.

Wow, you always come into a new place being such a ray of sunshine?

If you read the entire thread, you would see that it matters to quite a few of us when we are lied to for whatever reason.

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Banned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Tina Golden

Wow, you always come into a new place being such a ray of sunshine?

If you read the entire thread, you would see that it matters to quite a few of us when we are lied to for whatever reason.

With all do respect Ms. Tina Golden, he is right. What is worse than being lied to is someone creating a thread and then responding to it all under the guise of 'active inquiry' just to spout a few meaningless mantras in an attempt to boost his status.

I'm sure you would agree.

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Tina Golden

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Technology

With all do respect Ms. Tina Golden, he is right. What is worse than being lied to is someone creating a thread and then responding to it all under the guise of 'active inquiry' just to spout a few meaningless mantras in an attempt to boost his status.

I'm sure you would agree.

Sure, after two years and 1,400 posts that would make sense - time to boost his status. :rolleyes:

Almost as bad as creating multiple accounts at a forum in order to exhibit troll-like behavior because you're not man enough to do it with your own identity.

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Banned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Tina Golden

Sure, after two years and 1,400 posts that would make sense - time to boost his status. :rolleyes:

Almost as bad as creating multiple accounts at a forum in order to exhibit troll-like behavior because you're not man enough to do it with your own identity.

That explains everything! The fact you associate 'status' with # of posts is all I needed to know. That type of juvenile thinking is what leads to to many of the vices we see and hear about on the forum.

The fact that you are so affected by my and the other guy's statements reveal who actually has the ulterior motivations.

Here is a little secret...we've evolved nobody cares whether you have 299999 posts or 100. It's about quality, not quantity.

Because you are probably uneducated as well, which may explain your limited thought process and penchant to associate status with posts, accusing someone can and will get you into legal hot water.

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Cali16

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Security

That type of juvenile thinking is what leads to to many of the vices we see and hear about on the forum.

It's about quality, not quantity.

Because you are probably uneducated as well, which may explain your limited thought process and penchant to associate status with posts, accusing someone can and will get you into legal hot water.

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. Tina is a highly respected member here, and attacking her makes you look juvenile.

As for "quality" posts - perhaps you could provide an example - you certainly haven't done so in this thread. :rolleyes:

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Sleaklight

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Security

That explains everything! The fact you associate 'status' with # of posts is all I needed to know. That type of juvenile thinking is what leads to to many of the vices we see and hear about on the forum.

The fact that you are so affected by my and the other guy's statements reveal who actually has the ulterior motivations.

Here is a little secret...we've evolved nobody cares whether you have 299999 posts or 100. It's about quality, not quantity.

Because you are probably uneducated as well, which may explain your limited thought process and penchant to associate status with posts, accusing someone can and will get you into legal hot water.

Well, judging from the quality posts you've made, you can take a guess where we classify you at.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by Security

That explains everything! The fact I associate 'status' with # of posts is all you needed to know. That type of juvenile thinking is what leads to many of the vices we see and hear about on the forum.

The fact that you are so affected by my and the other guy's statements reveal who actually has the ulterior motivations.

Here is a little secret...You evolved nobody cares whether I have 299999 posts or 100. It's about quality, not quantity.

Because I am probably uneducated as well, which may explain my limited thought process and penchant to associate status with posts, accusing someone can and will get me into legal hot water.

Fixed that for you!

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sbucciarel

Banned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Ken_Caudill

Heh. Serves you right for bottom shopping.

You mean that $1.98 robe really isn't silk?

You don't know what I shop for, who I do business with or how much I pay for what I need. You may think you do, but who really gives a rats ass what you think?

Originally Posted by Security

Here is a little secret...we've evolved nobody cares whether you have 299999 posts or 100. It's about quality, not quantity.

And I've yet to see the quality you are speaking of coming from your little fingers.

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sbucciarel Banned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Ken_Caudill

That's rat's ass to you Ms. Bottom Shopper Crowd Sourcer.

...or is that sorcerer?

I'm a genuine native speaker.

What an idiot. You may be a genuine something or other, but your winning way with words and caustic personality doesn't sell me. If I'm ever in the mood for real bottom shopping, I'll knock on your door.
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Security

Banned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

You don't know what I shop for, who I do business with or how much I pay for what I need. You may think you do, but who really gives a rats ass what you think?

And I've yet to see the quality you are speaking of coming from your little fingers.

There you go again, digressing from the original topic because I nailed you to a cross.

Nobody asked or inquired anything about you, so your irrelevant response is just that, irrelevant.

Quality, my little fingers? If you have a mental issue there is no shame in that at all.

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Cali16

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Security

There you go again, digressing from the original topic because I nailed you to a cross.

Nobody asked or inquired anything about you, so your irrelevant response is just that, irrelevant.

Quality, my little fingers? If you have a mental issue there is no shame in that at all.

And you're NOT digressing from the original topic with posts like this??? In fact, the majority of your posts have been similarly hypocritical.

Listen, you are not winning points here by continuously attacking highly respected members on this forum. In fact, this type of behavior can quickly get you banned. Keep it up at your own risk, but your behavior has been noticed (and most likely reported) by several members already.

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CDarklock 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Security

Here is a little secret...we've evolved nobody cares whether you have 299999 posts or 100. It's about quality, not quantity.

Quality frequently comes from experience.

Who has more experience writing: someone who's written 299,999 forum posts, or someone who's written 100?

See, you're completely right, it's about quality. Not quantity.

But quantity tends to breed quality.

Among other things, if your posts suck monkey balls you are probably not going to be around long enough to make 299,999 of them.

In fact, you're probably not going to be around long enough to make 100 of them, which - judging from this post alone - chances are pretty good you won't manage yourself.
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Cali16 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Security

what's it to you where someone wants to identify with as their home/base/etc. locale?

As several have already stated, most of us prefer to hire (and do business with) people who are honest. Lying about one's location to boost credibility is deception, plain and simple, and deception is never a good business practice.

If honesty isn't important to you, that's fine - but I'll pass on doing business with you should you offer services or sell something here.
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sbucciarel

Banned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Security

I hope this is not some grand epiphany for you, I think this is blatantly apparent to 99% of Warriors. Notwithstanding, what's it to you where someone wants to identify with as their home/base/etc. locale?

Focus on the service, reviews, quality, price, etc...factors that impact the service/product and its acquisition.

Because the assmonkeys that are lying about their home base are doing so to convince people that they are actually native English writers, which happens to be a criteria for many buyers who want quality content. Once the project is awarded and paid for, we the buyers, find out that they aren't what they said they are, and aren't capable of producing so much as a line of native English quality content. So ... the factors that make me buy are a freaking lie. Anything difficult to understand about that?

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TheCG 13 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

assmonkeys

For some reason that word always makes me laugh out load....hahaha
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Originally Posted by sbucciarel

Because the assmonkeys that are lying about their home base are doing so to convince people that they are actually native English writers, which happens to be a criteria for many buyers who want quality content. Once the project is awarded and paid for, we the buyers, find out that they aren't what they said they are, and aren't capable of producing so much as a line of native English quality content. So ... the factors that make me buy are a freaking lie. Anything difficult to understand about that?

That is a very good explanation. Yes, I understand now.

However, the OP mentioned, along with another, "especially" "web design" --then associated the location deception with variation in status across locations.

Your snarky remark is valid and I understand now; however, don't give me that slight of hand and change the conversation topic from web design, etc. to out of the blue WRITING quality--and then implicate me with some sort of miss appropriation.

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Danny McConnell 13 years ago

I've got to say your attempt at highfalutin' language isn't helping the cause either. Doesn't seem to be a good fit for you.

By the way, can someone explain how in the world wallah ever came to stand in for voila?

Three beans at least makes sense.
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Cali16 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Security

and then implicate me with some sort of miss appropriation.

Who's uneducated....?
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Tina Golden

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Security

That explains everything! The fact you associate 'status' with # of posts is all I needed to know. That type of juvenile thinking is what leads to to many of the vices we see and hear about on the forum. Um... no. It's called "critical thinking", "logic" and perhaps "reading comprehension", because what I was referring to is the fact that after being around that long and being an active member, the idea that he was posting the thread simply as a way to "boost status" was both asinine and insulting.

The fact that you are so affected by my and the other guy's statements reveal who actually has the ulterior motivations. Ooooo-kay, sure, dude. Whatever delusion you need to get you through life.

Here is a little secret...we've evolved nobody cares whether you have 299999 posts or 100. It's about quality, not quantity. Agreed. Which if you had read with comprehension, you would realize that was not what I was saying.

Because you are probably uneducated as well, which may explain your limited thought process and penchant to associate status with posts, accusing someone can and will get you into legal hot water. Accusing who of what? I mentioned no names and did not specify any particular person with what I said. Guilty conscience, perhaps?

Originally Posted by Security

Your snarky remark is valid and I understand now; however, don't give me that slight of hand and change the conversation topic from web design, etc. to out of the blue WRITING quality--and then implicate me with some sort of miss appropriation.

The correct term is sleight of hand, not slight of hand. And miss appropriation is actually one word, misappropriation, but since that is not the correct word in this sentence, I think perhaps you were thinking of the word misapprehension?

Definition of MISAPPROPRIATE

transitive verb
: to appropriate wrongly (as by theft or embezzlement)

-- mis·ap·pro·pri·a·tion \-ˌprō-prē-ˈā-shən\ nounDefinition of MISAPPREHEND

transitive verb
: to apprehend wrongly : misunderstand

-- mis·ap·pre·hen·sion \-ˈhen(t)-shən\ noun

What was that you were saying about being uneducated?

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by Security

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Furthermore, nice try. But if you even attend law school and spend some time in a torts study group, you'll learn how the meaning of 'misappropriation' in terms of origin, is found within the study of anachronism. Your definition is an alteration of the legal origins made to fit the vernacular of passive and/or conversational rhetoric.

If nothing else, it's an amusing read.

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George Curtis

13 years ago

As someone who has outsourced content a lot, I can say that something like this infuriates me. Why? Because VERY RARELY do content writers from outside of U.S. write as well as U.S. writers.

That being said... the very best content writer I have ever had (and still do) is from India and lives there. She has to correct my grammar and spelling.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by George Curtis

As someone who has outsourced content a lot, I can say that something like this infuriates me. Why? Because VERY RARELY do content writers from outside of U.S. write as well as U.S. writers.

That being said... the very best content writer I have ever had (and still do) is from India and lives there. She has to correct my grammar and spelling.

I've got a great one too from the Philippines, not as perfect as yours seems to be - but she's quite the good writer. Mind sharing with me your writers contact info?

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by George Curtis

As someone who has outsourced content a lot, I can say that something like this infuriates me. Why? Because VERY RARELY do content writers from outside of U.S. write as well as U.S. writers.

That being said... the very best content writer I have ever had (and still do) is from India and lives there. She has to correct my grammar and spelling.

While I know what you are trying to say - can I please point out that native English speaking people from Canada, the UK, Australia and other countries do, in fact, write just as well as American writers.

Let's just remember that the English-speaking world does expand beyond the US borders.

That being said, I do WHOLEHEARTEDLY agree that ESL people usually do not write as well as native-English speaking people. Being dishonest about it makes it even worse.

The thing is, people can generally tell from your writing samples whether your English is up to par or not. We shouldn't really have to specify our first language.

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Paul Myers

13 years ago

One of the reasons a lot of non-native English writers think they're excellent with the language is that other people in their culture tend to "break" it in the same ways. The biggest source of this is a difference in syntax. (No political commentary, tankeweverrymutch.)

Unless someone has learned a language so well they can think in it without effort, they'll tend to slip into the patterns of their native tongue in the translation process. They also tend to choose similar adjectives to those normally used in their first language.

These things provide clues that can often be just as clear as the dialects we'd tend to recognize in our own lands.

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Azarna

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Paul Myers

One of the reasons a lot of non-native English writers think they're excellent with the language is that other people in their culture tend to "break" it in the same ways. The biggest source of this is a difference in syntax. (No political commentary, tankeweverrymutch.)

Like how many Americans use 'walla' in forums etc. Meaning the French word 'voilà'. I have seen walla or wallah loads of times, but never once the correct word. It is just being spelt something like it sounds, I suppose.

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Bill Farnham 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Ken_Caudill

Yeah, that makes sense.

Walla.

Voilà, there it is, that word 'walla'.

Now I can say I've actually seen it...

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onegoodman

13 years ago

I agree with you, some people would claims that they are from other countries. I personally don't care where they are from as long as they are not doing it for manipulating the price

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Steve Wells

13 years ago

Originally Posted by onegoodman

I agree with you, some people would claims that they are from other countries. I personally don't care where they are from as long as they are not doing it for manipulating the price

I really don't care where they are from either. The problem is that they are deceptive, and crafty. Being deceptive, dishonest and crafty are not good business principles, at least for honest people.

It would be great to be able to figure out who these people were and make sure they use their correct country.

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Sleaklight

13 years ago

All this talk of walla is reminding me of the walla walla walla wally park theme song they have here in California for the wallypark. lol

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ashokpobox

13 years ago

How can pricing of services like SEO, programming or design depend upon in relation to the location. Weird.

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Sleaklight 13 years ago

Originally Posted by ashokpobox

How can pricing of services like SEO, programming or design depend upon in relation to the location. Weird.

Same reason labor wages are cheaper in other countries versus others...
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