Do you ever feel like crying?

I hate to be a dick or a Debbie Downer, but NO you don't have the drive.

The day that you truly realize that is when you can maybe break the cycle. But spending 3 years and having nothing to account for it isn't drive pal. That's a complete lack of it.

You have desire, not drive.

There is a HUGE difference.

Again, I'm not trying to be an ass or put you down. But I'm a total realist, and I've realized that people who don't get this business after a year, almost never do.

Key word is... almost.

You need a serious change in focus, desire, and work ethic. Because the truth is, I know some brain dead half retarded dudes that are making a very respectable income on the internet and I'm positive you are probably 5 times smarter then they are.

I'd give yourself a real deadline.

Make a grand in the next 2 months or give up and focus on a job that you can truly grow with. Internet marketing isn't for everybody, nor should it be.

Best of luck pal.

Hope the verbal kick in ass propels you to do something great.

Also, you may want to make sure your website in your signature actually works.

I genuinely clicked it with hope of maybe even buying something from your site. It looked interesting to me.

And oh yeah, I've cried, about 5 hours ago when the Cardinals beat the Eagles.

Funny thing cuz I don't even really care about either of those teams. I just like to root for the underdog and love to take part in celebrations.

Nothing like spite to get one going. We'll see what I come up with.

Hope to verbally kick your ass eventually just to show you I made it.

I'll let you know how it came out.

How about you PM me!

Internet Marketing is not for everyone, 3 years with no sales is bad to say the least. It sounds as though you're trying but failing (maybe because IM is not for everyone?).......
For instance my offline business is tilling and I'm very very good at it to say the least. But tiling is not for everyone either. IM for me is something I do afer work and on weekends, I love it! Never know maybe one day I'll love it more then tilling, then maybe I'll go full time!

I really hope it works out for you though, I really do!
Look at it this way, at least you 3 years closer to your first sale then you were at the start!

Best wishes and best of luck

Steve M

ps I'm rooting for you!

How about after you have rotater cuff surgery and your son pulls your arm.

yeah , when am not making any dime

Set a goal and achieve it. You'll feel much better.


Andrew

Oh yeah I can cry like a baby. But over IM? No. I have more heart wrenching catastrophies than not doing affiliate marketing right :p

Some good options I can think of:

a) get a good mentor to teach you a lot of things
b) IM really isn't for everyone, look for another career path
c) try to find out why it hasn't worked for you, what you haven't done that you should do, what you do that you shouldn't, etc, and try to fix the problem. are you in the wrong program, promoting something that doesn't sell, not getting enough traffic, etc?

this is a horrible story which makes me feel bad.

The first thing is that you HAVE to get your relationship problems solved.

No self-pity please, look at the solutions and NOT the problems.

Then look at your marketing, and you can probably scrap EVERYTHING you made in the last three years since it only got you in the red - so proof right there that this is not working.

Look into options like JV with big marketers, they know what they are doing.
STOP spending money...do whatever you want but do things which dont require MONEY - you want to make money and not fricking lose it.

Maybe its harder to do things without being able to invest/spend....but do not invest/spend without having SOME income, no PPC, no outsourcing. If this means hard and long work, so be it.

I have the same problem with 5 zillion "ideas" and some of them don't work...maybe just sit down and make a PLAN and think about the plan and ask other people about their opinion, and dont get distracted by 500 things in your head.

Wish i could give better advice. Also..success can sometimes take VERY long to finally manifest. I remember when i started out it was really only PENNIES from adsense, i didnt make any sales on clickbank...it was horrible. I thought the whole thing is a joke.

Stop crying and get active. Maybe I have the answer for you. Forget about what hasn't worked and look forward as this is the one you've been waiting for.

Not this

you can also waste a lot of WORK and TIME on things which wont "work" ultimately.

That's why you need coaching, a proven plan, something WELL planned and thought out before it even goes on sale...or something where you already have proof that it works, and then continue this path and expand on it.

Maybe that's the trick that no one tells you. Maybe it's all about getting your ass kicked rather than finding the right niche.
I've been working IM for nine months and have only made one sale ($6.95) but the more I get shoved in my face the more I give back!
Anyway keep trying Buildingfuture and I'll keep rooting for you.

Best Regards Sublerjr, Ps where at in Colorado....

I can't find the post from a few days ago but it was right on. The gist was to get fired up about what you are doing to the point that you simply cannot do anything else. Passion takes over and suddenly you're released from fear and inaction. I wish I could remember the word he used so I could find it in a search. Must be the high altitude here in Colorado that causes memory lapse. Ok, it's really old age.

by the way...get away from "the money i desire" <--

of course it's "the money" we all desire...but focus on a successful product first and the desire to "do it right"....the money comes as a "by-product".

The money should not be your passion, it should be the product, passion doing what you're doing and NOT "just doing it because it could make money" <--

Man the Cardinals beat the Eagles??? Wow.....This is going to be a good superbowl.

If you've only made 200 dollars in three years you either weren't trying or you are literally blind.

Quit trying to make money...and focus on bring value.

I did an advanced search on the Warrior Forum earlier today for the word "value" in the title.

Not one post showed up.

I even did it again...to make sure I wasn't doing something wrong.

That's anyone's problem who isn't succeeding.

They simply aren't producing enough valuable content for their audience.

People want to do the same stupid shit over and over and get rich.

Look at all the guys who make millions...They create awesome value and treat their customers like GOLD.

It's a tried and true concept. Use it sometime.

Your story really made me think.

It reminded me of myself alot. You see we are both young, have ambitions and dreams...and want to make it work.

But people especially the ones we love feel what were doing is stupid. Trust me I know this because I hear it ever single day of my life.

There hasn't been a day when someone hasn't shot a wise crack at me to stop or I am going no where with my life.

What do I do? Nothing. Why would I answer to someone who knows nothing about anything in my field and also goes out and parties every single day which they will only be working a job until they die.....sounds pretty rough huh but it's the truth.

Don't give up man...send me a PM bro!

Seems like you got an interesting story.


Omar!

Wow. This is a good thread. Lot's of tough love here, but in a good way. This thread is proof that after you buy all of the expensive 'get rich in 24 hours' secrets, that the only REAL secret is hard work, passion, and persistence.

Talltom

Need a little motivation... Must watch video!
This man is so inspirational, just over 5 minutes...

Nick Vujicic - Get Back Up

YouTube - Get Back Up

Dave

Sean,

Here are two motivational posts that help me out:

Failing Online And My Story | Andrew Hansen Dot Name

Karl I love you man, hope you don't mind me posting this! - Karl Warren Blog Archive The real Karl Warren

Watch this video if you ever feel like quiting:

Spending $18 000 on your girlfriend was a bad move.

Hopefully you learn something from that.

I don't agree with some of Jason's comments (that if you don't get it in the first year, you probably won't), because it's taken me quite some time (years) to even figure out this stuff enough to turn a profit.

Maybe that's because I'm young, but I don't think that really has much to do with it.

I'm not the marketer Jason is and probably never will be. But I DO know that there are people who work their asses off and never get anywhere, and not just in this field.

You need the right mindset, and that can take a fair bit of trial-and-error before you figure it all out. I have finally figured out that kind of mindset when it comes to music, thanks to some amazing people. Still figuring it out when it comes to marketing though.

But I'm trying, and I'm working at it. I'm seeing real, measurable improvements every week, if not every day.

But if I may add my two cents...

Crying and bitching doesn't solve anything.

You need to sprinkle some concrete on your cornflakes and harden up, and work your ass off at this stuff. I guarantee it will take you more work than you thought it would. That is certainly my experience.

You've obviously got some personal issues you've got to work through. Who doesn't?

But at the end of the day you've got a choice - work harder, figure out what it is you're doing wrong, or give up.

Make the choice, and take action to bring it to fruitiion.

-Dan

P.S. if your girlfriend cheats on you, that's YOUR fault. Maybe you didn't give her what she needed, or maybe you just made a bad choice in choosing her as a mate. God knows I've done the same thing before. But it was MY mistake and I accept that... And I don't get that vibe from you.

She may be a bitch or whatever but it's still YOUR FAULT and YOU need to accept responsibility.

Seeing a pattern here?

-Dan

I want to sue some IM gurus for wasting my time by promising the absolute best traffic tactic These super tactics keep coming every month.Whenever I sit down to do some work I get distracted by these latest tools,latest top secret...etc

Buddy everybody has problems and issues. So what if you are heartbroken there are plenty fish in the sea...

And all of you guys rock!

I had some suicidial thoughts when it comes to relationship and current situation but giving up is just not the solution for your problems.

You are all over the place right now and I feel for you. I don't think that you don't have what it takes to be an IM-er.

And Karl is right internet friends, messengers and all that stuff only take time and accomplish nothing for your business.

Take care!

Massive respect to people posting before me.

This has been a great thread. I am sure that if someone put all the responses together it could sell as a motivational aid!! "Put the Drive Back Into Desire!".

Sean: "Profit" in your business is not just about money. It's also about who you become. Someone with more experience for example.

There are no failures - only results.

You tried a few things, and they didn't work. So what?

Now learn from your mistakes and move forward.

It will not be easy because your brain will be saying "I don't want to fail" - but remember that all great men "lean into their fears."

Take it a step at a time and you will get closer and closer to your goal.

- George

Most people have a story to tell.

Yours is no different.

If you spent two years giving this gig an honest effort (I doubt you did), and that's all you have to show for it, well I think that's a sign that maybe this just isn't for you.

As for the woman problems, well that's just silly.

The real winners aren't sitting in their sorrow. The only people wallowing in self pity and depreciation and still making a living are writers and artists, and even then most of them don't smile often.

The real winners aren't sitting on this forum every day wondering why they aren't good enough, they are out there grinding every day.

Francis Bacon:

"The good things which belong to prosperity are to wished; but the good things that belong to adversity are to be admired."

"The virtue of prosperity is temperance. While the virtue of adversity is fortitude which in the morals is the more heroical virtue".

Going from one "success" to another may be fun but you learn naught both as a entrepreneur or as a person.
If you survive the bad times, know what you did wrong and do it better next time you will be on your way to success.

all the best
fazal

You know what, I think we all have those moments. I think the difference is what we do AFTER having those moments. Some of us wake up and say F*** This and slam into forward as hard and fast as we can. We take the bull by the horns and say not me, and move forward. Others throw in the towel or drag themselves on not really doing anything and wondering why things haven't changed for them.

As for the $200 or so in 3 years...get your ass in gear. My baby girl whose 10 has made more online in the last WEEK. Know the difference? She had an end goal in mind, she decided what she wanted and asked for help and advice on how to get there and TOOK ACTION. She's still not at her goal but she hasn't thrown in the towel or given up, shes asking what else can I do to get there.

Difference here? She's 10...so you don't have your momma leading you by the hand, you should be man enough not to need it. Kick your own ass into gear, ditch the $20K girl and get your life started. Stop crying, and just take action. Or keep up the whining and get a real J.O.B till you're man enough to do this business.

You can do it, but will you?

Sylvia

lots of good posts happening in here. I hope you are reading them all.

Life sucks. Unless people have been spoon fed their whole life and the worst that has happened to them is their Hummer got a flat tire...then everyone has experienced shit in their lives. I work a full time job from 8-6, spend 3 hours with my family after work, then hop on the internet from 9pm - 3am working on freelance, on ideas for IM, etc... I have been paying medical bills for both my kids for 3 years who both have had medical surgeries before they even reached the age of 1. Life sucks bro...and when life kicks you where the sun down shine...grit your teeth and keep fighting.

It's a lot of work...but as the sole income provider for a wife and 2 children...I HAVE to bust my ass to make sure they are taken care of.

Who gives a shit if your GF makes more money then you. If she is pushing that in your face...no offense but she is a bitch. Does she enjoy trying to make you feel less of a man or something? It's time to jump on the gas pedal and floor it.

I don't have the IM experience here to help..but maybe someone here can literally take you step by step of a money making process that does work...and maybe teaches you a few things that your existing projects have been missing.

Good luck bro...I hope you find the answers you are looking for.

The John Reese Crap Method might help...

"Crap can make you rich."

Don't laugh. Let me explain.

The beautiful thing about marketing online is that we can achieve RESULTS for anything LIGHTNING FAST. We can put up some Google AdWords, drive some traffic, and starting getting results in a matter of MINUTES... I can essentially write a sales letter, include an opt-in form, and create a little info-product to sell, all in less than ONE HOUR and have it getting results.

Okay, so the product may completely STINK -- it's CRAP. The sales letter may be nothing but CRAP too. And even if someone DOES order, they'll be getting that product which is CRAP and most likely will request a refund. Heck, after all, I only spent an hour on the entire thing.

But none of that matters. The GOLD is not in the crap itself, the gold is in the RESULTS. Everything in marketing has a "Cause and Effect" -- everything.

If you put up the WORST CRAP EVER right now on a web site, something WILL happen. And those results are what eventually drives a few hundred dollars a month in profit, and eventually produces several thousand dollars a month, and can eventually create a small fortune.

Okay, so maybe your conversion rate will initially be 1 out of 1,000. That's okay. With enough data that 1 out of 1,000 will become a solid average and that site will CONSISTENTLY produce 1 sale out of 1,000.

The point is this. There is tremendous value in a 1 out of 1,000 visitor conversion rate -- no matter what the price of the product is. No matter what the offer is. Why? Because it's GUARANTEED that you can IMPROVE upon it. You can make it better. You CAN get MORE people to buy.

All you have to do is improve your marketing. Test small changes. Try a few little tweaks. Improve it little by little. Get better and better RESULTS.

Here is something I want you to engrave deep into your brain...

You will NEVER, that's right, NEVER, launch a site that will be even 20% of "perfect".

You're never going to launch a site that starts pulling a 20% conversion ratio, let alone 100%.

So why are you spending SO MUCH TIME to get that latest project launched? What the heck are you waiting for?

Know this... everyday that goes by without you launching your latest project is a day that you could be using to test and IMPROVE upon what that project produces. Yes, that means make you more money.

Your project will never be perfect. You could have always made it better. You could have always done this or done that. WRITE THIS DOWN...

"The biggest piece of crap ever created and launched online makes more money than an almost-perfect project that was never launched."

The biggest mistake we entrepreneurs make is trying to make our little projects PERFECT before we are willing to launch them and see what they will do. This can be the "kiss of death" for our businesses. Because until we launch projects we don't get any RESULTS.

What you need to realize is that RESULTS are the biggest ASSET to your online business.

Even the CRAPPY RESULTS.

Because the results are what tells us what is working and what isn't. And believe me, I've probably made MORE MONEY from the results I discovered about things that weren't working, so don't just think it's all about what works.

So learn to produce projects on an ACCELERATED launch schedule. Just get the sucker to the quickest version that will allow you to launch it and start getting ANY results at all. Then spend your time IMPROVING on the results.

Let's face it. Many of our projects FLOP. It just happens. People just won't buy enough of something to make it profitable. So we must move on and work on another project. Get it out there and see if that one starts making money. Repeating the process again and again.

But think about what I just said and realize something. If you KNOW the reality that many of your projects will fail, why the heck are you taking so long to find out?

It's probably the same reason "I've" often delayed things... FEAR.

I'm AFRAID to see my "baby", my special project, fail. But since we've already come to realize that the reality of business is that some projects WILL FAIL, we just need to GET OVER IT.

Put that CRAP together and launch it! Unpolished. Unperfected. Ugly. Yes, I say let the crap fly!

So get your projects launched absolutely, without a doubt, as quickly as possible. Get SOME results. Any results. THEN work on improving whatever those results are to increase your profits.

If you are planning on doing JVs with people for your new product, or rolling out an affiliate program for it, the "JOHN REESE CRAP METHOD" (as I will call it) still definitely works.

Here's how you use it...

You put together your web site and product as quickly as possible. Start tracking the results -- no matter what they are. Make changes and TEST them. Continuously work to improve the results of the site.

When you're able to get the site to a satisfactory conversion level, then and only then proceed with putting together JV deals and really rolling out the product.

You know, the biggest kiss of death for an online marketer can be to launch a product with JV partners WITHOUT having first tested and improved a site's conversion. Do you think your JV partners are going to promote your next project if the initial one completely FLOPS and doesn't make them any money? Absolutely not.

SO USE THE "JOHN REESE CRAP METHOD" AND PROFIT!

1. Create and launch crap. 2. Test that crap. 3. Improve that crap. 4. Make money with crap that eventually becomes non-crap. 5. JV the non-crap to make a LOT more than you ever dreamed.

Seriously. Don't laugh. This process works. Again and again. It has made many, many people rich.

Learn it. Live it. Love it. Let crap make YOU rich.

-- Anonymous (Don't know who wrote it but, it's the truth!)

I have one suggestion for you:

Create a ebook on whatever (yes whatever) you like and you know everything about it. Make a simple site no need for high graphics, then sell your ebook for low price between 5-10$.
Also remove the thought from your mind of being looser in the past, just go on.
Write some articles and try your luck now.

I can understand your condition, I have gone through it but I haven't spend 3 years in learning without a sale, lol.

Just go for it, Best of luck!

Yes! I cried few times but I keep going and learning more about internet marketing. Here's a guide for you to succeess:

1. focus on one business
2. set specific goals (eg. how much you want to make in 2 months)
3. create a specific plan
4. implement your plan and blocked everything out until you reach your goal

Trust me, I started to make money only when I focus on one business.
You can add other stream of income later if you want.

I was calling the girl who cheated on you a bitch; not the current one.

There is never any justifiable reason for that other than sheer selfishness. If things are that bad, you should break up, or discuss an open relationship; not cheat.

And it's not like she only did it once.

I thought that you are with a different girl now. I could be wrong.

-Dan

Sean, you must understand that people who posted in this thread obviously had only one thing in mind - to provide the motivation needed to get you going.

Its good to see you back with a complete change in attitude.

It might help if you were more specific about what you tried before - because I'm baffled as to how an intelligent person could try for so long and not see much better results.

What type of products did you try to promote? Do you have an example of a sales page that we could look at? (Are we allowed to link to those here in the main forum?)

I'm not an internet millionaire, and I have tried a couple of things that weren't profitable, but I make my living entirely on line and I've made a profit in a number of different ways, including an adsense site, clickbank product that I promoted with article marketing, and selling services online.

I mean, are you giving up too quickly on each project? Did you get people to review what you were doing and give honest feedback?

When I hear of someone who doesn't make money for years without want of trying, I can only think of one thing.

Poor time management.

The fact is you're probably not making the best use of your time to do things that are PROFITABLE.

You're probably not making enough SACRIFICES.

You're probably making wrong choices with your time day in and day out.

You're probably trying too hard, but not thinking critically. You're thinking of all the wrong things (the world is out to get me, everything is against me, I will DEFINITELY win). You're thinking emotionally, instead of critically.

You probably have the hunger, but not applying it the right way - in marketing, in business, and maybe in being greedy even.

Allen

Sean,

I have been following your thread here and you already have gotten some great advice. Great to have people that will 'watch your back'.

Here's what I would like to add:

The first thing the two of you need to decide is if your relationship is strong enough to push on through. It sounds like it is.

Next, the two of you have to decide to stop letting everyone determine whether you should be together. That decison is not theirs to make. Kind of like not letting 'naysayers' determine whether to do IM or not.

If you find that you can get past the first two parts, then you are well on your way. You see, the fact that you are making the effort is what she sees and is willling to support you in doing so. By continually maintaining a steady line of communication, you will maintain a unity in what you do. Without unity, your relationship is doomed.

Since a relationship is all about give and take (emphasis on give), what you are seeing is she is willing to give to help the two of you carry on. Nothing wrong with that. If you are making your best effort to succeed, her support will play a big role in things. It sounded like this was a bigger concern that you failure at business and yet it can play an important part.

The reason I say all this, is that this is a true test of what your relationship is made of. It's easy to make things work in the good times, but what happens when things get rough.

I guess that's why the marriage vows go with 'for richer or poorer, sickness and in health' etc.

Either way, I think that you can have it all by following the solid business advice you are getting here and following your heart in your relationship. Maybe now's a good time to put together an overall strategy that helps to bring the two of you together.

One thing I do know, is things of the heart can devastate the things of the mind. Get your relationship sorted out and everything else will fall into place.

Thanks,

John

Look, I apologize for the words I used...but bare in mind I was speaking in a general sense here. As you stated yourself, the WAY you presented your inital post laid out the mentality that your GF was giving you a ton of crap for what you were doing, fights, etc..and the way your words flowed made me believe she was throwing it in your face. I think "anyone" who uses verbal swords in that manner are in the wrong.

I didn't try to offend her or you, but I just felt it was shitty on her part "IF" what I had thought you were saying was true. Apparently not, so accept my apologies.

That is the problem with the internet. You can be an amazing writer..but without emoticons, facial expressions, tone of voice, etc... one may never get the REAL intent of your words.

If you've only made $200 in 3 years you haven't done anything...I have one Squidoo lens that's done more than that, lol.

My advice: Put as much effort into your business as this thread and you'll double your income within a week.

Scott

Building Futures,

(dude, you need to use your name)

when you first joined this forum, you posted a thread along the lines of "Am I Immature?" You posted some personal issues and encouraged (humorous) responses. You and I crossed swords a little because once confronted with some comments on those aspects of your life, as presented in that thread, you got a little offended, annoyed or even indignant.

The result was that I think you and I became friends.

("Awwww" - for Valerie!)

In that thread or via PM, I can't remember now, I recollect saying that if you needed any help with anything to just let me know. You said you where working on something and you'd get back to me via PM.

You never did.

You have done the same thing here. You posted some pretty personal stuff and appear to have been offended by some of the replies. Of course people are going to comment. The way that you wrote about the $20K girl did indeed make her sound like a bitch, for example. So why be offended when people agree with you?

This does display a lack of emotional maturity. But the apparent change from the forlorn to the go-getter goes some way to ameliorate this.

Please act on it.

There are so many inspirational people here, with such inspirational stories, that almost every day I come across someone I admire and respect. Many have posted in this thread. They have given a ton of great advice.

Please take it.

If someone has gone to the trouble to genuinely reach out to you in order to help, please take them up on it. Heed their advice but also make sure that not only is it valid, but also that it fits with a kind of business that *you* would like to run.

Don't just follow the quick buck. There's nothing worse than creating a business that at one time seemed like a good idea but quickly becomes a millstone.

Trust me I know.



Good luck and my offer stands...always.

Remember that anything really is possible. If you doubt this, perhaps spend a little time getting to know some of the people around here. They are living testament to this fact.

Thomas

You need some small successes!

my problem is also maintaining focus, because I get e-mails every day hyping up the next big thing. now I will stick with one program and do what it teaches me.

it seems you focus(ed) too much on other products which promised YOU "the next big thing" <--- am i right?

Do you want to know the truth?

The people making the MOST money are the ones SELLING "the next big thing" to others.

( If you look around, i have the impression that currently the really BIG sellers are IM training/coaching courses....some EXTENSIVE programs coming with 20 DVDs and hours and hours of material *promising* to everyone how they can get RICH themselves. This just as a side note. There are obviously coaching courses sold for $2000....and some people OBVIOUSLY got rich selling this training to others. Maybe you want to look into this )

Being a marketer myself i always have a healthy scepticism. Is there REALLY the "golden egg laying goose" which i can buy, making me "super rich" just by following this or that method? MAYBE, MABYE NOT.

I am telling you, i myself "believe" in only approx 15% of any claims of any fellow marketer when it comes to "the next big thing"...the reason is there are just "too many" "next big things" around and i just dont "BUY IT" <-- (in any sense)

So...you can keep hoping for "the next big thing"...which probably might never come since it ONLY exists for the marketer selling this to you - or go the hard and slow way.

Do NOT "phantasize" of the next big thing, there are things which are proven and steady. And you can build upon them.

The internet gives you plenty of oportunities to look around, eg. here on the forum, getting ideas. One might work for you, MANY wont.

Most importantly: KEEP IT REAL.

Look at what you can do, how "realistic" it is, forget any unrealistic expectations of millions coming in next week. Also, think like a customer, what a customer wants...and whether you can deliver to their needs.

Thats the most important thing!

Its not your "desire for money".....because the customer doesnt care about YOUR desire for money. Think what the CUSTOMER wants and how and what you can do to deliver it to them.

I can relate to every message in here. Everyone does it all wrong when starting out. You don't sell the product, in fact it doesn't matter what the product is. Discover attraction marketing and set yourself up as a leader, someone who can help others...it's the only way. If you can't sell yourself how can you expect to sell anything else?

According to Dan Kennedy, in his book Business Success,
"Some people think and talk in terms of trying a business or
trying out the entrepreneurial experience. Before achieving major
success in business myself, I went through considerable agony,
corporate and personal bankruptcy, stress, embarrassment,
humiliation and near starvation. If I had been just "trying",
just taking a test drive, I'd have quit. And make no mistake
about it, my experience is the norm among ultimately
successful entrepreneurs. (pg 6,7 emphasis mines)

You're in good company if you don't quit!

-Ray Edwards

Maybe you are creating products that are over people's heads? A really good thing to do is to show people your web site etc when they are actually in the room with you.... different kinds of people... and observe what happens. See where they get stuck. See if you can get them to tell you where they "fell off". This sort of info is invaluable.

You certainly know how to write a killer headline and copy that pulls people in - look how many responses this thread has accumulated.

Remember, a chain breaks at its weakest link. You might be really good at 90% of internet marketing, but have completely missed one vital point which is preventing you from success. In other words, that's how it goes. You bust your ass for ages trying to make the thing fly and then you crack it and it takes off.

And as far as it taking longer to succeed is concerned - I quote Machiavelli: "That which is acquired with ease is held on to with difficulty; that which is acquired with difficulty is held on to with ease."

I say "move the free line". The best successes I have ever had online have been when I decided to give away "more than I should have done" for free. The next thing you know, people start linking to you, you achieve popularity. If you can achieve popularity, you will achieve success online.

Don't worry about anyone's opinion. Stay strong - remember, success is "get knocked down eight times get up nine." Everything that is worth achieving will push you beyond your limits at some point. But it's only by going beyond ourselves, outside of our comfort zone, that we grow.