Warriors Chime In: Whats The Biggest Lie In Internet Marketing?

by maximus242 105 replies
Honest, lets cut the crap, theres a lot of it that gets passed around in internet marketing. What do you think is the biggest lie that is still being told, and what can we do to stop the spread of mis-information and help more people become successful?
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  • Profile picture of the author Robert Michael
    The biggest lie? I'd have to say "BUY NOW, OFFER CLOSING FOREVER IN 24 HOURS!!!"

    So annoying.. lol but there isnt much we can do to stop this.
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  • Profile picture of the author NicheMagic
    The people selling WSO that claim you can make $xx.xxx a day with one click !
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    • Profile picture of the author Newboyontheblock
      Originally Posted by NicheMagic View Post

      The people selling WSO that claim you can make .xxx a day with one click !
      Yup. I see this all the time on Safelists and on landing pages galore. If you aren't actually selling a real, live product or service...it's a scam. And even then, you aren't going to make "X AMOUNT of DOLLARS GUARANTEED."
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
    The BIGGEST lie?

    That the majority of internet marketers are dishonest.

    All the best,
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    • Profile picture of the author Keith Everett
      100% agree with this. I think the majority of Internet Marketers operate with integrity. There is dishonesty everywhere, online and offline, you can't blame it all on Internet Marketers. Some buyers are dishonest too.

      Keith



      Originally Posted by Michael Oksa View Post

      The BIGGEST lie?

      That the majority of internet marketers are dishonest.

      All the best,
      Michael
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    • Profile picture of the author Joseph Ratliff
      Originally Posted by Michael Oksa View Post

      The BIGGEST lie?

      That the majority of internet marketers are dishonest.

      All the best,
      Michael
      Amen to that Michael.
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    • Profile picture of the author im1217
      It actually might not be a lie. It's not so much "dishonest", but the sneaky crap that gets me. For example,

      1. FREE Trial offers that never end. You get automatically signed up to a continuity program.
      2. You buy a Clickbank program, but require 100 upsell products to actually make it work.
      3. The numbers in the headlines like "make $230,000 in 48 hours" - yeah it's possible, but get real, how many of us can do million dollar launches
      4. Promises of riches and when you don't succeed, it's blamed on your lack of effort and poor converting offer, when in reality the product is CRAP!
      5. too many to list.....


      Originally Posted by Michael Oksa View Post

      The BIGGEST lie?

      That the majority of internet marketers are dishonest.

      All the best,
      Michael
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    That everything is a scam and a lie and that this tired old subject needs to be rehashed day after day after day on the Warrior Forum.

    What is it? Can't find anything positive to write about in Internet Marketing? If it's all such a lie, what are you doing here?
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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      That everything is a scam and a lie and that this tired old subject needs to be rehashed day after day after day on the Warrior Forum.

      What is it? Can't find anything positive to write about in Internet Marketing? If it's all such a lie, what are you doing here?
      Yeah. That's what I meant!

      Thanks, Suzanne.



      All the best,
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    • Profile picture of the author tpw
      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      That everything is a scam and a lie and that this tired old subject needs to be rehashed day after day after day on the Warrior Forum.

      What is it? Can't find anything positive to write about in Internet Marketing? If it's all such a lie, what are you doing here?

      LOL

      I am glad someone said it...

      When I said it... My post got nuked... :p
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    • Profile picture of the author Global Warrior
      The earning potential of most GRQ with 3 clicks software!!!

      All those guys that get involved with each other in a JV deal give the industry a really bad name. I mean, they get a product that they allegedly had made and are allegedly earning a fortune from....... they promote it with a video with photos of "one of their click bank accounts", add a few testimonials, don't actually tell you what the product is and then expect you to pay 3 times the cost of the original product for an upsell.

      Ok, then. Please answer me this. If your product is sooooo good, why are you now, 3 days later, via your list that im on, promoting another GRQ scheme, rather than supporting the product you put out in the first place?

      I have a rule which i think has saved me a lot of money. If ive ever bought one piece of software from an Internet Marketer and they they have promoted to me another software in an email, i go and get a refund for the software i bought in the first place.

      Anyway, have learnt lots of lessons from some great people and soon i shall be repaying the community for their help.

      All the best

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    • Profile picture of the author salegurus
      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      That everything is a scam and a lie and that this tired old subject needs to be rehashed day after day after day on the Warrior Forum.

      What is it? Can't find anything positive to write about in Internet Marketing? If it's all such a lie, what are you doing here?
      Geez
      You are a grouchy old gal...
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      • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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        Originally Posted by salegurus View Post

        Geez
        You are a grouchy old gal...
        lol ...now that's funny :p
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        • Profile picture of the author salegurus
          Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

          lol ...now that's funny :p
          I try

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    • Profile picture of the author sal64
      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      That everything is a scam and a lie and that this tired old subject needs to be rehashed day after day after day on the Warrior Forum.

      What is it? Can't find anything positive to write about in Internet Marketing? If it's all such a lie, what are you doing here?
      The Velvet Sledgehammer strikes again!

      Love it!
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  • Profile picture of the author Steven Miranda
    Copy & paste profits
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  • Profile picture of the author John Redlinger
    I think the biggest lie on the internet is where you come across an add that says only "X" amount of people can be sold this item. Then you come back in a week and "X" has not changed.

    A close second to this are the guys that claim they can hit their mouse a certain number of times, then go away from their computer for a few hours, and after those few hours are over they can come back and find they have earned thousands of commissions on clickbank or whatever.

    If anyone out there has a system that works like I've described, PLEASE send me a private message. I am looking for you!
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  • Profile picture of the author profitmaster7
    Guess this one could rank high along-side some of the ones already listed.
    "The done for you -2 hr a day business in a box system "
    As if it only takes 2 hours ....

    I think i might have bought a few of these myself....

    Paul
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    • Profile picture of the author Shaun OReilly
      The biggest LIE in Internet Marketing is that "you can
      get big results, very quickly with little or no effort."


      Take a look at Clickbank, the WSO section etc., to find a
      large number of people willing to sell products that make
      that outrageous claim - and no shortage of fools willing to
      believe and buy into it too.

      The REALITY is that to succeed at ANYTHING, you need
      to sow before you can reap (and sometimes that means
      a LOT of sowing before you can reap anything - let alone
      a BIG harvest).

      All of the successful Internet Marketers that I know have
      worked their arses off - and many continue to do so.

      As the saying goes, the only place where success comes
      BEFORE work is in the dictionary.

      Dedicated to mutual success,

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  • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
    One of the biggest lies out there is that any given market is "saturated" or that there's no room for a new player.

    Remember, you don't have to outrun the bear, you just have to outrun the other guy.

    In most market places mediocrity abounds, so one of the more effective ways to compete in any market place is to simply do better than the next competitor. There are a lot of lazy entrepreneurs out there and oftentimes you can beat them by simply working harder.

    Work a little smarter and you can become an unstoppable marketing juggernaut.

    RoD
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    • Profile picture of the author Steve B
      "Anyone can do it"

      Put 100 random folks in a room and choose who can build a profitable business online. Gov't stats say 4 of the 100 will. Sure, any of the 100 could be among the four. But the reality is . . . the 4 that will emerge won't be those that:

      - do nothing, or
      - study, study, study, study, study, or
      - buy a money-making course and never take action, or
      - jump from one strategy to the next without focus, or
      - fall for the push-button without work promise, or
      - try to be all things to all consumers, or
      - continuously buy IM products without applying IM strategies, or
      - succumb to the "shiney object" syndrome, or
      - fail to pay attention to customer service, or
      - figure "good enough" is good enough, or
      - trust in the business owner is not important,
      - employ "if you build it, they will come," or
      - countless other self-defeating behaviors that Warrior Forum members have been cautioning you about for years and years.

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    • Profile picture of the author Kal Sallam
      Originally Posted by Rod Cortez View Post


      Remember, you don't have to outrun the bear, you just have to outrun the other guy.



      RoD
      Spot on my friend I will make sure to always remember this!
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  • Profile picture of the author Tim_Carter
    Income claims in sales pitches. Head on over to WSO section for lots of examples. Lol.
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  • Profile picture of the author busybusinessman
    The biggest lie in IM in my opinion is the One Time Offer as frequently I get emailed offering the product I've already turned down at the same discounted price or even a cheaper price!
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  • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
    Originally Posted by maximus242 View Post

    What do you think is the biggest lie that is still being told
    That business on the internet is somehow different from business everywhere else.

    What truly separates the professionals from the hobbyists isn't some particular skill or even some particular mindset. It is the simple understanding that business is business, and all the stuff that works offline works online, too.

    Similarly, all the stuff that works online works offline. If you can sell people on a link with an email, you can sell them on a mail-in offer with a postcard. If you can get clients over Skype, you can get clients over the telephone. If you can give a webinar, you can do a live presentation.

    It's that simple little understanding that makes the biggest difference. It's all the same kind of business. Nothing has really changed.
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  • Profile picture of the author Lori Kelly
    There's a "biggest lie" in most professions. It's up to you to be able to determine if what is being sold is a lie or the truth.

    When I see something that touts YOU CAN MAKE $296,395 IN ONE MONTH ON AUTO PILOT! I know better.

    The IM business is similar to many other businesses.

    When a car salesman sells a car for the most money possible, it's up to the buyer to know the actual value of the car, the marks up, and the art of negotiation. And the car salesman just might lie to you.

    When a lawyer tells you he can win your civil lawsuit with a $5,000 retainer and he/she anticipates the case might cost $10,000, it's up to you to decide if the lawsuit is worth it. This scenario could very well result in a cost that exceeds your initial damages.

    When your car breaks down and you know it is a simple repair, cost should not exceed X amount, but the auto body shop finds just a few more things wrong, why they just might be lying to you.

    Disclaimer: This post was in no way meant to disparage car salesmen, auto body shops and/or lawyers. And most importantly, internet marketers.
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  • Profile picture of the author barbling
    It depends on what niche you focus.

    For MMO, it would be:

    This Program Forces You To Accept Money The Hordes of Slavering Customers Insist On Flinging At You!

    For dog-training, it would be:

    This Program Makes Transforms Your Dog Into Rin Tin Tin 3 Seconds After Purchasing!

    For coffee-making, it would be:

    ALCHEMY! This Product Changes Tap Water Into Gourmet Fresh-Brewed Coffee 6 Seconds After I Cash Your Check!

    In other words....

    The biggest lie is anything that, well, lies. Doesn't matter the niche, doesn't matter the customer base.

    What I really hate are the "zero effort/reside on beach!" lies one sees, plus the faked earnings. I have an article about that someplace called False Profits...hang on....

    Here it is!

    Virtual Coach » False Profits – Why you should NEVER trust online income earning claims

    Written back in 2009 that was.....

    Hope that helps!
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  • Profile picture of the author cashcow
    That organic search engine traffic is "free".
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  • Profile picture of the author dete49
    That its easy to become rich "buy my ebook and i will show you how",the person selling the ebook makes the money not their program most do not work..
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      That one of Saddam's nephew's cousins needs my help getting $154,723,276.38 out of Iraq...
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    Make quick profits if you follow the guide.
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  • Profile picture of the author leonardpayne
    1. That you can do it without work. (Having said that just because you do work is no guarantee of success)
    2. That the Guru's have lied to you. (No they haven't - they just have a longer and older network)
    3. Just do it. (That don't always work either - I've sweated my guts out on a product with no takers)
    4. That WSO's will make a fortune - (Not when it slips to page 3 at less than 48 hours it won't ) :-)
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    • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
      Take it from someone who has spent hundreds on WSO "bumps", eventually it is important...essential...to begin developing and cultivating your own means of driving traffic to your WSOs. Unfortunately, it's really quite unreasonable, with all the competition, to expect to make tons and tons of sales off of the back of "bumps" alone.

      The truth is, it WILL slip...and, sometimes, it'll slip really quite quickly. The real winners in the WSO game know when to bump, but they also have cultivated other means of driving high quality, targeted, traffic to those WSOs.

      Of course, everything requires work...but, it requires "smart" work.

      Originally Posted by leonardpayne View Post

      1. That you can do it without work. (Having said that just because you do work is no guarantee of success)
      2. That the Guru's have lied to you. (No they haven't - they just have a longer and older network)
      3. Just do it. (That don't always work either - I've sweated my guts out on a product with no takers)
      4. That WSO's will make a fortune - (Not when it slips to page 3 at less than 48 hours it won't ) :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author Aaron Doud
    That it is easy. People buy into the dream of easy money.

    If you want a home based business it is great. If you make moderate income you should be able to replace it with ease in a few months. But just like any business to make it successful you have to put time and/or money into it to get to the level of replacing a middle to high income.
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  • Profile picture of the author Pierce
    It has to be the whole "get rich in 24 hours thing." Another good one is false scarcity when it comes to digital products.
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  • Profile picture of the author JCorp
    The "Magic Pill" soon to make an appearance with the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy...
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    • Profile picture of the author kencalhn
      I'm a longtime successful internet marketer, fulltime since the 90s.

      The biggest misrepresentation out there is from the pitchfest IM seminars and "big" $1997 product launches and other content out there, about applicability of techniques shown to "anyone's" list.

      A guru saying "I made $50,000 with this new listbuilding technique" or whatever is completely misleading, because the LISTS are completely different across merchants, and as my colleague the late Corey Rudl used to teach, the list IS your business.

      So some guru talking about making a lot from their launches, (because they have big lists and affiliate-incentivize their colleagues to cross-promote to their lists) does NOT translate into, you can also be successful with your (sub 10k size) list.

      And techniques taught by a lot of 'gurus' are not even directly scalable to smaller size, for a variety of reasons (like long-term publicity value of the guru, vs "you and your list, and you're not famous") makes a huge difference.

      The biggest lie is that the techniques taught to you guys are replicable largely across lists. The RELATIONSHIP you have and Market POSITIONING and branding and LIST SIZE WITH QUALIFIED PEOPLE WHO KNOW YOU (not Just list size, I routinely delete thousands of leads from India etc who don't buy, from my email accounts) are all much more important than specific techniques or WP themes or whatever you're using. Seems a lot of IMers, especially newbies, focus way too much energy on "technique-y" stuff (like a shiney WP theme or video player) vs your positioning as expert and long term relationship for multiple sales, credibility, expertise and positioning (that can THEN be leveraged via product/service launches that are aff driven).

      -k

      Bonus tip: your wealth is not so much in your list (only), it's MORE about the 2nd, 3rd, 4th sale you make to your best customers whom you've EARNED the TRUST of over time, who buy repeatedly from you because you've worked very hard to genuinely help them. If you "get" that, you have a shot at becoming successful. That's why I'm against affiliate-only marketing etc, as it's becoming an undifferentiated sales rep, vs personal positioning and trust-building.
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  • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
    I almost forgot this one...

    "Of course, I'll still respect you after your credit card clears..."
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  • Profile picture of the author Sheila Dunfrey
    The biggest lie is.... when someone sells a product says "ONE TIME PAYMENT, NO HIDDEN FEES".
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  • Profile picture of the author apolwar
    The biggest lie would be you'd get more profits without having to lift a finger. That its as easy as 1-2-3 Snap!
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  • Profile picture of the author J Cohen
    Ok so people say "That IM is easy" is the biggest lie.

    For me the biggest lie is "IM is hard" It's not hard it just as to be done the right way with focus and commitment.

    Jay
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  • Profile picture of the author Big Al
    I think the expectations put upon new marketers.

    They (and by they I mean me ) end up with dollar signs in their eyes and when they only make $100 or add 50 subscribers to their list in a week they see it as failure rather than the first step towards success.
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  • Profile picture of the author vishalduggal
    The biggest lie "Internet Marketing is easy".
    There is no such thing as easy specially in Business, It requires lots of knowledge, hard work testing,tracking and experience.
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    • Originally Posted by vishalduggal View Post

      The biggest lie "Internet Marketing is easy".
      There is no such thing as easy specially in Business, It requires lots of knowledge, hard work testing,tracking and experience.
      I gets easy when you get going and enjoy it. Now I think it is really easy.
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  • Profile picture of the author Paul200
    Only 5 left so buy now before they are sold out

    I have a method that will make you an easy $xxxxx a week

    I have a fool proof way of making fast money working 2 hours a week

    I am a SEO guru and will get your site listed on Google within 24 hours (You dont need to be a SEO guru to get listed in 24 hours)
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    • Profile picture of the author tryinhere
      Originally Posted by Paul200 View Post

      Only 5 left so buy now before they are sold out
      you mean ?

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    • Profile picture of the author barbling
      Originally Posted by Paul200 View Post

      Only 5 left so buy now before they are sold out

      I have a method that will make you an easy a week

      I have a fool proof way of making fast money working 2 hours a week

      I am a SEO guru and will get your site listed on Google within 24 hours (You dont need to be a SEO guru to get listed in 24 hours)
      Oh, getting listed in Google in less than 10 minutes is easy - simply buy the company.

      I think I wrote a humor post about that years ago...
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  • Profile picture of the author Geraldm
    The biggest lie is this:

    "Setup a website on a NEW domain and within 1 month you will be earning $xxx/day from free search engine traffic!"

    Oh .. not to mention the above can be done for you with just ONE click of a button!
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    • Profile picture of the author PicktownChris
      I think the biggest lie are people that are "Making 30K / Month" and are willing to share their secrets in their WSO for only $10... In most cases the info is either crap or they are trying to upsell on their OTO (which I can't stand OTO's)
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      ''get rich over night''
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  • Profile picture of the author tryinhere
    Originally Posted by maximus242 View Post

    What do you think is the biggest lie that is still being told?

    There are boundless people who want to believe in instant miracles, fantasy dreams and good luck fairies blowing sparkles up their backside and as a result the biggest lie would would be from people who fail to use common sense then as a result blame anything other than their own actions and decision making for failed outcomes.
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    • Profile picture of the author Keith Everett
      I agree. I think the biggest lie in Internet Marketing is believing that you are going to make money without first offering value. With as lot of people, it's all ME, ME, ME. I don't believe it's really possible to make money in IM until you change that mindset from ME to YOU.

      Offer great value up front and the money will come. Keep on with that ME, ME, ME and you'll still be chasing your tail for years to come. It took me six months to realise this, that's when I started to make money online.

      Keith





      Originally Posted by tryinhere View Post

      There are boundless people who want to believe in instant miracles, fantasy dreams and good luck fairies blowing sparkles up their backside and as a result the biggest lie would would be from people who fail to use common sense then as a result blame anything other than their own actions and decision making for failed outcomes.
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  • Profile picture of the author rts2271
    The biggest lie in IM is that IM is a big lie.
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  • Profile picture of the author sal64
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  • Profile picture of the author stephenwaldo
    Biggest lie in Internet Marketing?

    Hmmm...There are so many to choose from...I think probably the best one would be...

    Google. Google is the biggest lie in Internet Marketing.

    Why? Because Google tells the most lies to the most people. It's to the point where you literally can not take anything they say, especially to the SEO community (aka: spam community if you ask Google), as fact.

    Recent example? How about the news that Google's going to be hiding keyword data from webmasters 'for the sake of privacy', but still going to collect all the same information on their end, and they'll still give it to you IF you're a paying advertiser.

    Of course, 'We want more privacy' sounds a lot better than 'we want more money', so there you have it. Just one example.

    Obviously I still make a good chunk of my money from SEO, so it's hypocritical for me to complain about them. I guess you can call me a hypocrite then. But to be fair when I market my websites I'm not looking for Google traffic, it just comes naturally.

    I see that a lot of other people are talking about the 'Magic Income Claims' as being the biggest lie...And yea, I guess I can see that. But come one people. Just don't believe it when someone says you'll earn 5 figures in a week.

    To me the 'Magic Income Claims' is just the same lie told over and over...It's easy to see through, but not if you're desperate. Google lies in ways that are much more subtle and difficult to detect, and they lie to the entire world, not just desperate folks looking for quick cash.

    I guess this could be said of any big company, but there aren't that many other big corporations that we in the IM community have to deal with. So that's my gripe.

    Anyways, hope my ramble wasn't too boring.
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  • Profile picture of the author FidelityNat
    Sorry to interrupt, but I think that instead of looking for what is lie in IM try find out what is true. As many times happens that what works for some people would not work for others.
    Find out your own truth...
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  • Profile picture of the author Jonny Mulroy
    I would say it's guys doing big launches on Clickbank that claim to make $323,476 a month with 2 clicks of the mouse when actually the money they are really making is from the actual product launch itself...
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  • Profile picture of the author kencalhn
    Other 'big lie'/misconception:

    a) IM = must have affiliates. From 1999-2006 I had no affiliates and did very well. Only recently I'm starting to experiment with jvs and affiliate promotions. The truth is that if you add genuine value to a list that you've earned the trust of, you can make a successful business. And you do not have to get a bunch of affiliates to cross promote you to spammy namesqueeze pages; I've seen that and have found that often the 'free webinar chasers' that opt in are low-quality leads that don't buy anyways.

    So don't overvalue affiliates. Endless cross pitches for newly launched products (a la 'circle jerk' approach that gurus and wannabes use) fatigues lists and they don't buy, over time.

    Also note gurus just want to build their lists from 'scraping' leads from you affs, at your expense, which is bad to do, via 'send your online business to my squeeze page and you can potentially earn big commisshes'. Beware first-cookie aff pgms since their buddies who have larger lists will get aff credit not you. Use "send your order number in to get my (your) bonus" to track aff purchases and you'll see the shrinkage.

    On the positive note:

    + Any teaching that shows you HOW to produce Better QUALITY Content, is good... so in years past I bought books on how to write, produce video, creative thinking and other content-focused training. Books are inexpensive, including those by world-class authors. I've never bought a $1997 product in my life (and never will). I've never spent more than 1k on any IM product, and the best of those (like copywriting courses) are all focused on content creation.

    + Like any small business, if you're not willing or able to work 12+ hour days for years on end, to actually help people with high-quality content -- you won't make it, for the long haul.
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  • A lot of good points, but surely the wrong question.

    It doesn't matter what the biggest lie is. They all cheapen our industry and by extension, all of us who work in it.

    I'd sooner discuss what we're going to do about it.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    "with no knowledge or skills necessary".

    Oh really? You are going to use advanced technology to build a business and communicate with masses of people with no communication skills, or use technology on your own with no knowledge? Um....yeah, good luck with that one.
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    • Profile picture of the author Brenny76065
      How about "I have given you everything you need to succeed".
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  • Profile picture of the author Rose Anderson
    That there's only ONE way to have a successful business. The mind-set of, "I did it this way and you should to or you're an idiot." Many roads lead to a thriving business. This is a good thing...or the one road would be really crowded.

    This also explains why we can't tell new people the one magic secret or the "best way to make money online". The best way for me is not the best way for you.
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  • Profile picture of the author Scott Skinner
    EASY MONEY.

    No experience necessary, know nothing, do nothing, just buy my product, point-click, profit immediately.
    :rolleyes:
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  • Profile picture of the author MarcusHichens
    Make X amount! PROVEN and GUARANTEED!
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  • Profile picture of the author mdmmarketing
    That there is a push button solution to make you thousands everyday while you do no actual work.
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  • Profile picture of the author Geraldm
    lol

    This has got to be the absolutely BEST ad ever shown on WF. Seriously ... There is no way you can get more honest than this!!!! Classic! I wish all WSO's and IM would be this honest with their products !! !





    Cheers .....
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    • Profile picture of the author PatriciaJ
      That Internet marketers are aliens sent to take over the planet.

      Biggest lie that I've seen so far today apart from the regular lottery scams was in my inbox subject line 'Re: Your $595 check!‏'. As if I'm going to spend money with those who send emails out to their list with that sort of subject line. The unsubscribe button was hit fast, good way to lose your list I suppose.

      PS I don't get checks I get cheques
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      • Profile picture of the author Devid Farah
        BIGGEST lie?

        "Stay away from competitive, saturated markets!" (like weight loss, health, dog training, make money online, internet marketing, finance etc)

        How many times have you heard this?


        The truth?

        DO NOT ignore these "red hot" markets, because developing some decent research skills, you can find MASSIVE opportunities within these competitive and "saturated" markets out there.
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  • Profile picture of the author dagaul101
    I think the making of X amount of Dollars in so many days is one of the most prominent, and unfortunately it hooks in a lot of newbies
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  • Profile picture of the author iservu
    I would say it has to be the FAKE claims of making hundreds of dollars each day with some revolutionary software. What is sad is many desperate internet marketers fall for this hype only to find that they have been conned.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alex Kage
    How about "Get Rich Over Night"?
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  • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
    “Not everyone can be successful at IM”

    Although some people will find it easier, I think anyone can succeed at IM. (When they truly want to.)
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  • Profile picture of the author Damielle
    That it is easy and you don't have to build a business.

    That you can just push a few buttons, while in your underwear :rolleyes: and earn thousands of dollars overnight.
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  • Profile picture of the author joekoffi
    I think the biggest lie is that you can make money online overnight
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  • Profile picture of the author TheHappy4
    Love when you shell out the big bucks for an awesome script that's suppose to be super easy for non techies to setup, complete with instructions that will have you setup in less than 30 minutes. You read the instructions and they look like greek, then you have to spend around $20 extra and locate someone who will do it for you and explain what the heck they did. Not exactly the 30 minute newbie friendly script is it? Lol.
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  • Profile picture of the author Barry Unruh
    Money for Nothing and Chicks for Free


    wait a second...that's from a Dire Straits song, not IM.
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    • Profile picture of the author sal64
      Originally Posted by Barry Unruh View Post

      Money for Nothing and Chicks for Free


      wait a second...that's from a Dire Straits song, not IM.
      Did you mean to say...

      Money For Nothing and Clicks For Free?

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  • Profile picture of the author maximus242
    What amazing input guys! Its good we have the warrior forum to keep us all together and protect each other from losing our hard earned dollars.

    Ive seen some amazing posts, some angry posts, but overall, these are some really excellent ideas you've all put forward.

    Now the question is, what can we do to help new people entering the field from being taken by less than ethical marketers -- and help to point them to marketers who are going to nurture them into successful entreprenuers?

    How can we continue to dispell mis-information to accelerate everyones success in marketing? I believe unrealistic ideas such as making $10,000 tommorrow without ever having tried internet marketing are the types of things that prevent people from eventually achieving their financial goals. Unrealistic initial expectations lead to dissapointment and frustration.

    Disclaimer -- Before tearing into me, im not saying most marketers are unethical, im saying that there is a lot of hyped up claims that give people unrealistic expectations of making $8,000,000 next month and I dont think its fair to do that to people. Lets help them and show them the full picture instead of trying to win through trickery and deciet. Even if they are telling the truth in the salesletter they are creating these false images in the customers mind of what they can expect to achieve -- and when that happens we have a tremendous amount of customers who are going away trying to make $10,000 tommorrow without a list, product, or anything.

    I dont think its the best way to help people.

    If we first educate people on the process they will probably go through, or the process most people go through before experiencing success... such as needing to learn about marketing, traffic generation, its application, etc... perhaps more people would be successful and the online economy as a whole would grow and prosper even more?

    I think that customers are people who are entrusted into your care, and its your responsibility to take care of them, and to help them prosper. To do everything you can to enrich the lives of the people who do business with you. And in exchange they offer you value in monetary form.

    At the end of the day, no one sits on their death bed thinking of how many people they made money off of, but they do think of how many people they helped - and how many lives they touched.

    What do you think?
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeHumphreys
      Originally Posted by maximus242 View Post

      Now the question is, what can we do to help new people entering the field from being taken by less than ethical marketers -- and help to point them to marketers who are going to nurture them into successful entreprenuers?

      How can we continue to dispell mis-information to accelerate everyones success in marketing? I believe unrealistic ideas such as making $10,000 tommorrow without ever having tried internet marketing are the types of things that prevent people from eventually achieving their financial goals. Unrealistic initial expectations lead to dissapointment and frustration.
      I'll probably get zinged for my post but I'll still give you my honest opinion.

      I think a lot of new people make the mistake of not thinking of online marketing as an online BUSINESS.

      They don't realize that they will need to develop business skills like budgeting (cashflow and future expenses), accounting (for tax purposes), marketing, interviewing (for hiring potential outsourcing help, support desk, or virtual assistants), and countless more skills.

      Lacking or refusing to develop these needed skills means they are a strong candidate to fail at their business... unless they PAY someone else to do handle those parts of the business for them.

      Lacking any skills early on doesn't mean you can't succeed. You can fill that void using either time or money... time to learn the skill so you can do it yourself or money to pay someone else to do it for you.

      But the biggest skill to develop in any type of business (both offline and online) is a B.S. detector. There's countless things pitched to you everyday and not all of them work as advertised.

      Quick sidebar: Before anyone zings me and professional copywriters as a collective bunch (which includes me), please realize that 99.9% of copywriters are very wary of writing copy for anything that could rip the general public and will NOT do it. The other point many don't realize is that copywriters, along with their clients, became liable in the eyes of the FTC if they DO write something that defrauds the general public. So I always turn down any "risky" projects and so do every other copywriter that I personally know.

      Okay, back to countless things to buy.

      Great example... when I owned my massage therapy center, a guy came in to sell me advertising on gas pump handles. Of course, once you were actually HOLDING the gas pump handle to fill your fuel tank, you couldn't see the ad but he still thought I needed to buy it (I didn't).

      Most people don't use everything they buy. Doesn't matter if it's ebooks, shoes, DVDs, physical books... everybody has something sitting on their hard drive or house that is untouched and they've been meaning to "get to sometime real soon"... even me.

      I have stacks of books in my office that are future reading and even more digital ones on my hard drive that are gathering "digital dust".

      Since my primary business is professional copywriting, the majority of the materials I read & review are client-related which is a major time filler.

      Because I don't need to add more "stuff" to my "getting to sometime real soon" piles, I rarely buy any new educational stuff unless I'm going to use it right away. Buying only what training materials I'm going to use right away has made my businesses more profitable and increased my productivity even more because I'm more focused on what I need to be focused on.

      The reality is owning a business is rarely easy. If it was, then everyone would own their own business and no one would be an employee or work for someone else. Of course, if you have customers or clients, then you are still working for someone else.

      Anyways, to borrow a line from Dennis Miller... "That's my opinion... I could be wrong."

      Take care,

      Mike

      P.S. Probably 50-60% of the successful online business owners I know started out offering a service online like graphic design, copywriting, programming, etc. They took some of the monies they earned from their service business and used it to help build their own online business. Another 20% or so, worked a "day job" while building their online business. The day job took care of their monthly living expenses, the online business was their after-hours passion. Day job or freelancing... either way, it's a proven path to success but it still takes a lot of time to build a business in size and scale.
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  • Profile picture of the author vtotheyouknow
    Originally Posted by maximus242 View Post

    Honest, lets cut the crap, theres a lot of it that gets passed around in internet marketing. What do you think is the biggest lie that is still being told, and what can we do to stop the spread of mis-information and help more people become successful?
    This is like asking: "Who's the most corrupt politician?"

    Answer: Ron Paul. Oh wait, he's the only consistent, honest one. :p

    But on the real tip - my vote goes to any variations on "Internet Marketing is easy".

    There are outliers for sure but FOR ME and for what I suspect is the majority of people who did it, IM has been grueling just about every step of the way and even now, doing relatively well, it still kicks my ass (and lights a wicked fire under it) on the quotidian.

    Everything truly rewarding, be it a good meal or a communion with mother nature, is earned.

    *steps off soapbox and resumes perusing worn copy of Atlas Shrugged


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  • Profile picture of the author art72
    The biggest "lie" on the internet is trying to sell "the truth" as it has become second rated by all the horsesh!t consumers line up to buy on a regular basis!

    I have heard a ton of people state they joined IM, because they like to sleep a lot...

    Yeah, me too... there's only one problem; for the last 6 months I have slept an average of 30-40 hours per week, and worked 90!

    When, my 'education' permits, it would be nice to work hard 30 hours per week exclusively online, sleep at least 50-60 hours, and I'd still have 10 more hours free to spend time and with my wife and kids... which is my #1 goal.

    Unfortunately, by both nature and statistics people almost appear to like being lied to, cause God Forbid we all start disclosing the truth which is; this business, like any business requires a serious investment of time, energy, discipline, obedience, perseverance, technical knowledge (*my nemesis), some money, testing, and more freaking hours than I can possible count...

    It's no wonder the success rate is under 10%.

    The hard part is steering clear of contributing to the horsesh!t marketing methods... as it almost seems tempting when seeing the number of 7-figure launches these gift-horse guru's whip up in a menial display of who can make more selling the next 'load of crap' to each others "prized" lists?

    I'm off to go beat myself with a whip... as the temptation to make quick money seems to be dominating 90% of the IM community, and I feel to be playing for the minority team... which is to suffer at the expense of the other 90% that make our jobs a whole lot harder.

    All the Best,

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  • Profile picture of the author kencalhn
    Success is about developing content for a wide group of people you can genuinely help, who are qualified buyers. No secrets there.

    That's why techniquey-focused training is insufficient. 'how to build backlinks' and 'traffic generation 101' and 'social media marketing' are all things I pay no attention to. They are small tiny insequential things compared to branding, position, and the ongoing ability to produce content that's worth paying for.

    "how to develop and deliver better presentations", and "how to write great copy, and content" are much more useful. when I do webinars I've gotten as many as 2k+ people on them, and have sold a lot. But that's the end of a long process that took time, to build trust, credibility, content and actually add value to people's lives, before ever even thinking about sales.

    It's a multi-year journey that starts with being prepared to 'stand and deliver' as an authority whose free content is so good, people can't help but want to buy your premium content. I learn from people like Brian Tracy, Jeffrey Gitomer, Orison Swett Marden, Earl Nightingale and others, as core role models. The IM related stuff is SECONDARY compared to your ability to produce QUALITY, Professional-grade CONTENT.

    But that's hard work that takes years. That's why I succeed in a very competitive niche (trading), compared to others.. I'm a known published industry expert (speaker at conferences, published in trading magazines etc), which took years to get to. It's hard work but can be worth it. Stop screwing around with WP gadget and backlink based stuff, and instead figure out how to actually become an expert and add value to the lives of thousands of people with your expertise and content. Takes years. Welcome to reality.

    (2nd choice, is the 'publisher' model, where you jv with known experts and create sites/new ways to package and deliver their content to monetize it to their lists plus new leads)
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  • Profile picture of the author Benjamin Ehinger
    There are so many I don't know how to choose.

    Duplicate Content - highly misunderstood
    Quantity of backlinks matters
    ALL GET RICH QUICK SCHEMES (anything promising unreal earnings with very little work)
    Nearly every automated system
    Article marketing is dead


    Those are just a few.

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  • Profile picture of the author StevenJones
    The biggest lie in IM is the statement of working 2 days a week to maintain a killer income. Like every entrepeneur, offline or online, both need to invest time, energy and devotion into their business.

    The people that promote - get rich quick - schemes are the ones that are getting rich. But they destroy their reputation, which can come in handy for the long run. So basically these - get rich quick - shemes are a part of the lie I mentioned in the first paragraph.
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  • Profile picture of the author jrbizlink
    To me the biggest is - You can get Started making money for just 10 bucks, but when you buy the product you need to get a domain, a hosting account and an autoresponder! I ahve seen that so many times!
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  • Profile picture of the author Rudder
    I'd say any offer with Photoshopped ClikBank or PayPal image's is a dead giveaway since there are no names as to whom this supposed account belongs to. Just because You could make x amount in 2010 don't tell me I can make it Today.
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  • Profile picture of the author The Niche Man
    Originally Posted by maximus242 View Post

    Honest, lets cut the crap, theres a lot of it that gets passed around in internet marketing. What do you think is the biggest lie that is still being told, and what can we do to stop the spread of mis-information and help more people become successful?
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  • Profile picture of the author andy moore
    It must be the word "Secret!"
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  • Profile picture of the author ry6782010
    I'd have to say one of the biggest I've seen is "gurus" who promise you can make huge amounts of money in like 2 days (enough to quit your day job so to speak), or "Buy my cash system that's 24/7 automated and pumps money into your Paypal account while you sleep!" "Do you want a rich lifestyle you've always dreamed of?.. Buy my course for xxx and I'll show you how!". Eff that.

    Who in their right mind would shell out 400 dollars for a course that could suck?.

    As for saturated markets, I see it like this, if you find someone who turns out to be a scammer/someone who lies, etc and tries to sell customers his crap/services (which, they end up shelling out cash for and later regretting it), why not compete against him and offer the same service, or something else, and earn the trust of those people?.

    An example would be some guy offering graphic design packages for a set price, yet he doesn't deliver on any his promises/flakes out on emails. Why not offer things he doesn't seem to care about, such as a trusting personality, awesome customer service, etc.
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    • Profile picture of the author sal64
      I can assure you that real gurus don't make those sorts of claims.


      Originally Posted by ry6782010 View Post

      I'd have to say one of the biggest I've seen is "gurus" who promise you can make huge amounts of money in like 2 days (enough to quit your day job so to speak), or "Buy my cash system that's 24/7 automated and pumps money into your Paypal account while you sleep!" "Do you want a rich lifestyle you've always dreamed of?.. Buy my course for xxx and I'll show you how!". Eff that.

      Who in their right mind would shell out 400 dollars for a course that could suck?.

      As for saturated markets, I see it like this, if you find someone who turns out to be a scammer/someone who lies, etc and tries to sell customers his crap/services (which, they end up shelling out cash for and later regretting it), why not compete against him and offer the same service, or something else, and earn the trust of those people?.

      An example would be some guy offering graphic design packages for a set price, yet he doesn't deliver on any his promises/flakes out on emails. Why not offer things he doesn't seem to care about, such as a trusting personality, awesome customer service, etc.
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    Over night success takes years to build, in contrast to what IM-ers suggest (over night)
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  • Profile picture of the author Kal Sallam
    Make thousands over nite!

    Internet is almost money on demand...while it could be however it takes work.

    Our copies will get sold out soon HURRY!!
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  • Profile picture of the author jasono
    The biggest LIE would be people telling you that you can earn 20 times as much as a normal guy earns without any details of how to do it. There are few though that are true. In fact, I've really saw their credits.
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  • Profile picture of the author ibacklinkpro
    I agree with some of the other posts here that say that Internet marketing is easy and fast... it sounds like some cheap hooker... the reality is that to be successful in Internet marketing, you have to work your butt off for results that you may not see for months or even years sometimes...
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    That affliction t-shirts and barbwire tattoos make you look cool.
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    The biggest lie that it is easy because "all you need is a computer". I mean, it's really a full-time job and a LOT of work. Websites don't build themselves neither do they rank themselves..product creation, content creation etc...
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  • Profile picture of the author nickchou
    The biggest lie is that you can get traffic for free. Nothing is free today. If you don't spend money, you will spend time, and A LOT OF time, to get traffic.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
    That you can make bank with just 5 clicks using push button software and that it was all possible because of a "secret" meeting with underground movers and shakers. lmao

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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Sorrell
    That email marketing is dead... and Facebook is where it's at....and people tell you that via EMAIL!!
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