Can Things Be Given Away In The Main Forum?

13 years ago

I believe the rules state no self promotion....otherwise there would be no need for us to purchase a WSO even if it is for a freebie! I'd suggest using your signature and/or posting a free WSO or post it in the War Room. Those are the options for using this forum to do what you'd like to do.

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kaper7

13 years ago

Yes it can as long as you don't force people to optin.

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WillR

13 years ago

Originally Posted by kaper7

Yes it can as long as you don't force people to optin.

I'd like some clarification on that one because I always thought otherwise. This is a discussion forum. I always thought the WSO section was for selling your own products and the War Room was for giving away your own products.

Self promotion is still self promotion no matter how blatant or disguised it is.

To the OP, Andrei, you have proven your class by asking before doing... a lot of people won't do that.

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Andyhenry

13 years ago

Originally Posted by WillR

Self promotion is still self promotion no matter how blatant or disguised it is.

To the OP, Andrei, you have proven your class by asking before doing... a lot of people won't do that.

He HAS done it.

That's what this is all about. His posts get deleted and he knows there's a "don't ask why your posts get deleted - read the forum rules" policy, so this is just an attempt to do the same thing.

This situation is actually very simple.

If you start a thread offering something that wasn't asked for and it has any sort of promotional element (yes even a sign up form or push for people to go to your other stuff) then lots of members will see that as self promotion.

The question I always ask myself when I see a new thread that feels wrong is "why would someone post this?". If there's an obvious "because it promotes their paid stuff, or some other product/service, or even just promotes their blog" and no obvious "because someone just asked for it", then I'll often report the post and let the mods decide.

You have to remember how long this forum has been around and how many ways people have tried to circumvent the systems in place to prevent people blasting their stuff here as posts to get exposure.

There's a massive amount of value in this forum without having to resort to abusing it.

Challenging the forum rules when your stuff gets deleted rather than spending the time to look at what gets left and deleted by others is just a reflection of the same mindset - it's all about the poster rather than about the forum.

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mlklyne

13 years ago

I myself am also trying to sort this out and want to respect the rules of the forum, however I see the majority of folks have a link in their signature blocks so I'm a little confused.

I would appreciate if an authority could please take a look at my signature block, look at the link and let me know if its kosher... Not sure how an open invitation to a webinar with free information and no obligation stacks up.

Appreciate your input.

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goindeep

13 years ago

Originally Posted by mlklyne

I myself am also trying to sort this out and want to respect the rules of the forum, however I see the majority of folks have a link in their signature blocks so I'm a little confused.

I would appreciate if an authority could please take a look at my signature block, look at the link and let me know if its kosher... Not sure how an open invitation to a webinar with free information and no obligation stacks up.

Appreciate your input.

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Well thats exactly my point to the question.

Im confused because we are allowed to post sig links but and when I gave away the totally legit free report with virtually no self promotion in it apart from the sig at the bottom of the report, which id seriously and totally take out without even a thought - considering i allowed people to do whatever they want with the report (even change the authors name, which was mine lolll)...

And not only that but in the attachements section we are allowed to upload pdf's....

But i guess there are pro's and cons to all things and i guess one of the sad cons of the forum is things like this arnt clarified and then we dont get notified of our mistakes (if any) so that we can actually correct them.

Its like a cop pulling you over, giving you a ticket, but not telling you why... im happy to do as the forum operators ask, but if I do something wrong i'd like to know what i did wrong so i can correct my actiona and play by the rules.

...still confused.

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WillR

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Andrei Rotariu

Well thats exactly my point to the question.

Im confused because we are allowed to post sig links but and when I gave away the totally legit free report with virtually no self promotion in it apart from the sig at the bottom of the report, which id seriously and totally take out without even a thought - considering i allowed people to do whatever they want with the report (even change the authors name, which was mine lolll)...

And not only that but in the attachements section we are allowed to upload pdf's....

But i guess there are pro's and cons to all things and i guess one of the sad cons of the forum is things like this arnt clarified and then we dont get notified of our mistakes (if any) so that we can actually correct them.

Its like a cop pulling you over, giving you a ticket, but not telling you why... im happy to do as the forum operators ask, but if I do something wrong i'd like to know what i did wrong so i can correct my actiona and play by the rules.

...still confused.

-Andrei

Andrei,

You need to remember this is a discussion forum. This is a place for discussions to take place. It's no different to the way SEO posts should be posted in the SEO section of the forum. Everything has it's correct place on the forum and this is not the correct place for self promotion or giveaways. The War Room is the place for giveaways. The WSO section is the place for paid self promotion. If you have something free or paid you want to 'plug' in any forum then your signature is the best place for that.

You will also notice any articles that are posted in the main discussion forum generally get deleted as well. This is because articles do not always encourage discussion and there is a dedicated section on the Warrior Forum that was created specifically for articles.

What's the difference between placing the link in your signature or in a thread? By placing the link in your signature you are not detracting from the discussion forum. Can you imagine what the main discussion forum would look like if giveaways were allowed? Well, it would probably look very similar to both the War Room and WSO forums.

Whether your intention is self promotion or not doesn't really matter. If you are putting out a free report and offering it for members to download then that is self promotion in itself. They (the mods) have to draw the line somewhere. If you let one person get away with it the next day every man and his dog is doing it.

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goindeep

13 years ago

Thats all good. Im cool with all that. Wont do it again if thats the way it is.

But my main gripe is the fact that we are not told what we have done wrong. Is there an answer to that?

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WillR

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Andrei Rotariu

Thats all good. Im cool with all that. Wont do it again if thats the way it is.

But my main gripe is the fact that we are not told what we have done wrong. Is there an answer to that?

No problems. On a side note I might just mention that you are probably likely to get a lot more exposure for your report by having it in your signature and getting involved in the discussion forums (which judging by your post count you already do) rather than if it were just posted in one thread. So I actually think it's better this way. I also suggest adding it in the War Room since it is a paid area of the forum and tends to give your freebie more perceived value.

There is an asnwer to your other question but I don't think you will like it...

5. If your thread is deleted, do not re-post it. Do not post a thread asking why it was deleted. Read the rules, watch how things are done here, and figure it out. This is not complicated stuff.

6. Remember that threads get deleted for lots of reasons, most of them having no reflection on the original poster. They can be nuked because they're the umpteenth copy of the same discussion in a short period, because they're on topics which too often degenerate into flame wars, because they have nothing to do with making money, because they're pointless, because they tend to drift into bashing, and lots of other reasons.

10. Don't be surprised if something is deleted and you're not told why. This place is too big. It would take more time than there is in a day for us to notify every person of the reason, every time we deleted a post or thread. And that doesn't begin to count the time that would be wasted arguing with people who don't understand or refuse to accept the rules.

Deleting posts is not a personal thing. Don't make it one.

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Ben Armstrong

13 years ago

It would be great if people could occasionally share something valuable with absolutely nothing to gain but other peoples gratitude.

Unfortunately the vast majority of people on here would look for a way to manipulate it to get traffic to their website or subscribers for their list. So I'm happy with a blanket policy that keeps this stuff to the war room or WSO section.

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Ken Strong

13 years ago

Originally Posted by kaper7

Yes it can as long as you don't force people to optin.

Originally Posted by WillR

I'd like some clarification on that one because I always thought otherwise.

Just because somebody says something here it doesn't mean it's true.

No, you can't give stuff away in the section, although you can give stuff away in your sig, but you can't start a thread or make a post in this section pointing people to your sig.

If you're not requiring an optin, you can give stuff away in the War Room or the Make Money Online sections. If you are requiring an optin, you'll have to use one of the paid sections -- Classifieds or WSO (if your product qualifies under the rules).

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Dennis Gaskill

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Ken Strong

Just because somebody says something here it doesn't mean it's true.

No, you can't give stuff away in the section, although you give stuff away in your sig, but you can't start a thread or make a post in this section pointing people to your sig.

I don't mean to cause trouble here, but what about posts where someone gives something away to celebrate their 1000th post or that kind of thing? I know I did that a couple times, but I haven't done it for a while so maybe there are no more exceptions and I'm just not aware of the change?

Those were the kind of things I was talking about when I said I thought it was on a case-by-case basis in my previous post.

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WillR

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill

I don't mean to cause trouble here, but what about posts where someone gives something away to celebrate their 1000th post or that kind of thing? I know I did that a couple times, but I haven't done it for a while so maybe there are no more exceptions and I'm just not aware of the change?

Those were the kind of things I was talking about when I said I thought it was on a case-by-case basis in my previous post.

I've seen a few of those type of posts but generally they are giving something away in the content of the post itself...?

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Dennis Gaskill 13 years ago

Originally Posted by WillR

I've seen a few of those type of posts but generally they are giving something away in the content of the post itself...?

I've given away an ebook before, more than once actually. It was a long time ago though, and things certainly could have changed.
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- goindeep 13 years ago
  
  I think they made a funny at point #5
  
  "5. If your thread is deleted, do not re-post it. Do not post a thread asking why it was deleted. Read the rules, watch how things are done here, and figure it out. This is not complicated stuff."
  
  I could blabber on all day about this...
  
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  Paul Myers 13 years ago
  
  Dennis,
  
  Wait, is that Paul's footsteps I hear coming?
  
  Nope. That was Ken sneaking up behind you.
  
  Andrei,
  
  I could blabber on all day about this...
  
  We know. You've done it before. And, by posting this thread, you've made it clear that you're willing to try an end run around the "If your post is deleted, don't post asking why" rule.
  
  Bah!
  
  Indeed.
  
  You know better, Andrei. And you know why it's not allowed. You've been involved in plenty of these discussions in the past.
  
  For purposes of a recap, and for the benefit of those who may not have seen the explanation yet, here's the "why" which Andrei already knows...
  
  The overwhelming majority of reports, books, articles, or other items which one might wish to post in Main Discussion are motivated by some form of advertising. Direct ads, links, reputation building, etc. (Never forget the rep building motive. That's the one most often in play when someone disingenuously claims, "But there weren't any ads in it!")
  
  If they're allowed here, there are so many people with motivation to post them that it would quickly become a flood, adding to the noise which threatens to drown out discussions.
  
  We (the mods) don't have the time or inclination to vet every one of them for ad content. Or for opt-in requirements, contextual appropriateness (ie, don't promote email spamming), etc.
  
  Yet another example of the basis for the majority of moderation decisions: How many people have motivation to do this, and what would happen if a bunch of them did?
  
  There is a separate section for posting unpaid ads for such offers. Granted, it's not got the clearest name: http://www.warriorforum.com/make-money-online/
  
  As a paid member, you can also offer it in the War Room, although there's no guarantee the offer will be approved.
  
  You have plenty of options, Andrei. Don't come bahing and blabbering in Main Discussion because there's one you're not allowed.
  
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dadamson

13 years ago

This could become a logistical nightmare if the mods not only have to check peoples threads, but also their sales pages and ebooks to ensure there is no self promotion or opt-ins.

I'd say no, just post in the WSO or War Room sections. Plenty of people there actually LOOKING to download ebooks, rather than people here in this forum who are just after some specific help.

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JennSpencerIM

13 years ago

Posting in the forum with a link to your PDF is way different than including a link in your sig! Here are the sig rules, mlklyne: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ing-forum.html

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Suthan M

13 years ago

virtually no self promotion in it apart from the sig at the bottom of the report

Well, that counts as a self-promo.. :-)

Anyway, even if the report is totally free of any links whatsoever.. I personally don't think that it is fit for a "general main discussion forum" consumption. Here's my take on it:

I think the gist of a "discussion" forum, it to discuss posts and ideas on a certain specific topic without needing to sit down and cram our brains reading 240pages report or 2 hours video comments. (just saying of course!)

-->If that is enforced: it will make it harder for the mod to moderate. Think reading pages after pages of report to make sure everything complies..

--> Readers will be bored to read a 14 page report, when the section that matters is page 11 (for example). It waste people's time, and take too much effort. It gets even worse when others start posting Report comments (oh, horror!)

--> Threads wont be specific. The cool thing about the forum is when you search, you get specific Questions and Answers to certain topic of discussion. If this is allowed, you are going to wade through a lot of info to get stuffs you want.

So, definitely if this is enforced, I will hate it.

p/s- I say that if your post is "article sized" long- take it and post it in the article section, and if it is "report-sized" long- take it and post it in the free ebook section. That is the better place for it.

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Dennis Gaskill

13 years ago

I'm sure a mod will pop in here and clarify things, but until then...

As I understand it, it's kind of on a case-by-case basis. People that have been around here a long time, keep their nose clean and contribute to the forum get a little more leeway than newcomers. That said, I'm pretty sure they don't want you to link offsite to it, you'd have to upload it to the WF and let people download it without leaving, without any requirements (like forced opt in) and it still can't be too promotional.

Wait, is that Paul's footsteps I hear coming?

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Paul Myers

13 years ago

Dennis said:

As I understand it, it's kind of on a case-by-case basis.

Almost everything is on a case-by-case basis. And yes, people who've contributed more get more leeway. Such is the nature of virtually all societies. That was explicitly acknowledged in the original set of rules for this place, lo, these many years ago, which contained the pithy aphorism: "Them that gives, gets."

There are some rules for which there are occasional exceptions made. Others for which very, very few exceptions are ever made. And some for which no exceptions are allowed.

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Paul Myers

13 years ago

Will,

To the OP, Andrei, you have proven your class by asking before doing... a lot of people won't do that.

Ah, his format for this worked.

Here's the thing: He didn't. He posted a report here recently and I deleted the post. Just like we do with virtually every other similar report that's posted in this section. That's why I said this was an attempt at an end run around the "Don't post asking why your post was deleted" rule.

He's already heard (and argued with) the explanation of why we don't explain every deletion that's made in the forum. And he's heard (and I believe argued with) the reasoning behind not allowing the posting of articles and reports in this section.

He's already learned that direct confrontation on such basic and long-established rules isn't going to be effective. Feel free to speculate, if you care, on why he chose to take this less direct tack.

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Richard Van 13 years ago

Andrei,

I seem to recollect seing a new thread just yesterday where you gave a way a book "that had been sitting around for a while" and you had forgotten it or something. I believe it was called "How to market online".

I assume, if that got deleted, that you'd have realised it wasn't allowed? :confused:

Or am I having a blonde moment and I've gone and got all my facts wrong?
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WillR

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Paul Myers

Here's the thing: He didn't. He posted a report here recently and I deleted the post. Just like we do with virtually every other similar report that's posted in this section. That's why I said this was an attempt at an end run around the "Don't post asking why your post was deleted" rule.

Ah, that changes things. Can I edit my comment to "class or lack thereof..." :rolleyes:

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Richard Van

13 years ago

Originally Posted by footbag_man

yeah sure i love to do that.

Except of course you don't do that and better still you're not allowed. You didn't even begin to read the thread did you?

Tell you what. Instead of writing useless one line posts in almost every thread, try reading the threads and thinking before you comment, that way you may look a little less obvious than someone who is here for no reason other than to post irrelevant one liners and to bump up your post count.

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sbucciarel

Banned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Andrei Rotariu

Was wondering if things like free pdf reports can be given away in this forum? So not the war room, but right here in this forum.

Lets say there are no opt ins and no blatant promotion of any website, product or service. Just a signature at the bottom of the PDF report with some links to facebook, twitter, linkedin and a random, non affiliate non sales webpage.

Would this be allowed or not?

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-Andrei

I have given away War Room Memberships, ebooks and websites in the main forum. There was no agenda, no opt-in, no advertising at all in the ebooks. No self-promotion at all.

The ebook I give away is instructional and used when someone asks a question like how do I transfer a site. I have an ebook that gives step-by-step detailed instructions on how to transfer sites with no ads or promotion in it.

The websites were given away because I wanted to cut down on my websites and it was fun to give them away. The War Room membership given to give someone a gift.

So the answer would be motive. If there's self promotion involved, don't do it.

EDIT: But it looks like the official answer is don't do it. But you apparently already knew that.

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goindeep

13 years ago

Ok - new question. Why was my video reply deleted?

This has gotten to the point where its just so low its pathetic

The bizarre thing is that im now expecting even this post to be deleted and for me to probably be banned.

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Andyhenry

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Andrei Rotariu

Ok - new question. Why was my video reply deleted?

This has gotten to the point where its just so low its pathetic

The bizarre thing is that im now expecting even this post to be deleted and for me to probably be banned.

So you DO know what will get deleted and you still post it? and then you complain that it gets deleted and you know that your complaining will get deleted - but you still do it!!!!!

Why are you not learning from this?

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Paul Myers

13 years ago

Andrei,

This has gotten to the point where its just so low its pathetic

You know the rules. Play by them or go elsewhere. Or just rehash your same old arguments until you get banned, so you can claim some sort of "moral high ground."

It's one thing for a newbie to make these mistakes. It's another for someone who KNOWS they're violating the rules to push buttons all day long and pretend they're some sort of victim.

But, since you want to quote other-worldly scenarios, I give you the words of Billie Burke, who famously said: "Go away, before someone drops a house on you, too."

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Alan Petersen

13 years ago

Who's got the popcorn eating image handy?

Originally Posted by Andrei Rotariu

virtually no self promotion

Now there's an oxymoron! How can it be virtually non promotional?

The OP reminds me of Stewie...

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goindeep

13 years ago

OK so we arnt allowed to complain... Thats something thats not in the rules.

We dont get told the rules in explicit black and white instead we get told mocking things such as: "5. If your thread is deleted, do not re-post it. Do not post a thread asking why it was deleted. Read the rules, watch how things are done here, and figure it out. This is not complicated stuff."

By that logic ill tell my daughter to stand by a freeway and watch the cars drive past when she wants to learn how to drive. And ask her to read the rules, but if she does something wrong she should expect to be fined without an explanation.

Adding to this, it seems there are different rules for different posters.

There are now two people which have explained that they have been allowed to give away free pdf's in this discussion forum before. Why is that so? I thought rules apply to everyone... Hence the reason they are rules.

Also, you still have not explained why my video response was deleted. And you have not explained why it is allowable to upload PDF's.

But again this is ALL seperate from the fact of what I did, this entire topic is about why we arnt told what we do wrong.

Its like a kid stealing from another kid, you do not explain why he is not allowed to do it, you do not explain why it is wrong. You smack his hand, send him to his room and be silent. Mate, that kid will be seriously messed up when he grows up!

I could come up with a thousand analogies to help you grasp this simple concept. But I believe you understand, in fact I believe some of you even agree with me. Why you still argue the point, I dunno. Im not a psychologist, I could speculate however. But I'd rather not.

I'll have to put up with it because that is the power you guys hold. You get to argue your points with the allmighty power of the moderator status. Deleting those threads, posts and replies as and when you choose. THAT IS A COLD HARD FACT!

In fact you virtually have the power to spin any thread whichever way you want. To the point where you can be perceived to win any argument with dictatorial power. Hence the reason I have not even replied to each thread the way I have wanted to because I know that there is potential for my reply to be deleted. THAT IS A FACT!

My points are all legitimate. Its not complaining, thats just someone elses perception (especially when my replies are deleted), its standing up for something. Standing up for something which I believe in. You should know a fair bit about that AndyHenry considering your sig.

Im considering this thread closed.

And you know what Paul, I will do that I will go away. Ill go away and seriously consider how much time I spend here. If thats how you treat the loyal visitors to the forum which clearly I have been over the years, buying wso's, warrior products and services and in fact literally about to start my own WSO porject.

Sadly, I expect this reply to be deleted. If YOU are reading this - Hallelujah!

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Banned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Andrei Rotariu

Its like a kid stealing from another kid, you do not explain why he is not allowed to do it, you do not explain why it is wrong. You smack his hand, send him to his room and be silent. Mate, that kid will be seriously messed up when he grows up!
-Andrei

If you are a kid that needs parenting, this forum is the wrong place for you. Grow up or go cry to mommy because this forum is not set up to coddle toddlers or babysit.

It's an Internet Marketing forum ... with rules. Follow them or don't. Your loss if you choose the latter.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

If you are a kid that needs parenting, this forum is the wrong place for you. Grow up or go cry to mommy because this forum is not set up to coddle toddlers or babysit.

It's an Internet Marketing forum ... with rules. Follow them or don't. Your loss if you choose the latter.

Your reply is what is called a "non argument".

Click here for information on what an analogy is ---> Analogy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Originally Posted by Andrei Rotariu

Your reply is what is called a "non argument".

Click here for information on what an analogy is ---> Analogy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Click here for information on what rules are --->
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Andyhenry

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Andrei Rotariu

We dont get told the rules in explicit black and white

Adding to this, it seems there are different rules for different posters.

I'll have to put up with it because that is the power you guys hold. You get to argue your points with the allmighty power of the moderator status. Deleting those threads, posts and replies as and when you choose. THAT IS A COLD HARD FACT!

In fact you virtually have the power to spin any thread whichever way you want. To the point where you can be perceived to win any argument with dictatorial power. Hence the reason I have not even replied to each thread the way I have wanted to because I know that there is potential for my reply to be deleted. THAT IS A FACT!

My points are all legitimate. Its not complaining, thats just someone elses perception (especially when my replies are deleted), its standing up for something. Standing up for something which I believe in. You should know a fair bit about that AndyHenry considering your sig.

Im considering this thread closed.

Sadly, I expect this reply to be deleted. If YOU are reading this - Hallelujah!

-Andrei

Ok - I'm going to try one final time to help you out.

You seem to be making a lot more assumptions about things than are logical. I guess you need to do this to justify your victim mentality.

Here are a few insights on points that you seem to struggling with:

1 - Paul is the only moderator that's posted in this thread.

You seem to think that any member who has a lot of posts is a moderator. I'm certainly not a moderator and most of the people trying to help you in this thread are not either. THAT IS A FACT.

So your 'issue' with us all having some sort of power to say what we want in a way that you are not allowed is quite frankly just BS. It's your mind trying to justify how you feel.

2 - Different rules for different posters.

This is one of the points that seems to be giving you the biggest problem. Unfortunately you seem to think that this is some sort of police state and we're all criminals who have to do what the guards say or we get a beating.

THIS IS A FORUM - A COMMUNITY!!!

The rules are only there to protect its members.

So, the reason that there's not a 1000 page "rules of the forum" document is because in general it is expected that the members are here to help and support each other. If that is the way they behave then they build up a reputation which supports that.

If you come here and think this community is just like a barrel of IM sucker fish that is here for you to try and take advantage of then you get a reputation for that and everything you do is seen within that context.

So, yes there is not an unlimited number of rules to specifically cater for every scenario that could ever come up - but there are enough that most things can be quickly assessed and dealt with.

(there's a LOT of spam and abuse thrown at this forum and a LOT of people coming here to abuse it. if the mods (and the members) didn't have a flexible enough approach to deal with that, the forum would've crumbled years ago).

Unfortunately you've posted enough times with the wrong attitude that you've highlighted yourself as someone to keep an eye on. You went on my ignore list ages ago, so I don't even see anything you post by default.

3 - Our replies are protected while yours are deleted.

IN FACT - we're all subject to the same risk of deletion as you. The members here can report anyone's post, so it's often not even the mods that highlight and make your posts disappear, the mods just get them flagged to assess.

My posts are often moved or deleted and I've been here longer than most people and provided a LOT of value here over the years in many ways.

You are not getting special treatment. You're just giving people reasons to report your posts, so when your name keeps coming up because members are reporting your posts, due to them looking like they're there to push your site/content/links, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to realise that once a mod has had to deleted a bunch of your posts they may even start to expect a reported post of yours to be legitimately reported.

All of this complaining and moaning about how the rules are not clear enough for you to be able to behave the way you want without getting stuff removed is not helping your case.

WE ALL get judged by the same rules. First time offenders are bound to get treated differently to serial offenders, and people who are long time members and have a track record of providing value with no hidden agenda SHOULD get special consideration.

For the same reason I will happily read a promotional email from a friend and delete one from someone I don't know. It's about credibility.

Finally, here's where we agree on something.

I think that you're right to have questions about what is acceptable or not in the forum. It's not black and white all the way and some things get judged within a different context to others.

So it will be confusing at first. That is the same for everyone too.

However, the answer is not to start complaining and having a go at the moderators because they're not spending all their time trying to justify their actions.

The most effective approach is very simple and requires nothing from anyone else:

WATCH AND LEARN!

If you post something and it gets deleted - just ask yourself why.

It will usually be - because MEMBERS reported it.

It's about moderators following you around and deleting your stuff - it's about members thinking you're doing it for yourself and not them.

So - if it happens, just ask yourself - "in what situation would it make sense for people to report my post?"

Just because you don't think it was self-promotion doesn't mean others will agree.

For example, there are many members who think that your signature area is the ONLY place where you should be linking to any of your own web pages.

So if you make a post that says "hey, i wrote this article you will like", or "i write a great ebook you can have for free" and link to one of your web pages/sites, some people will automatically report that post. Because they'll see it as someone pimping their own stuff to get views, visits etc.

If you started a WSO saying "free ebook for warriors - check it out and my site here" - no-one would have any problem with that.

You see the difference?

So any time you start a thread and put a link to something of yours in it - it's highly likely it will get reported/deleted.

NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU.

So - just ask yourself why you're posting and you'll probably get your own answer as to why others see straight through your "helpful" post.

The same goes for just reposting an article you wrote in a thread. You can link to it in your sig, but if you pimp it in a post - people will report it.

Same for videos. If you're posting a video of yours - that will be enough for some people to report it.

Don't think this stuff is all revolving around you. It's the way we're all treated by other members.

We ALL have stuff deleted. THAT is why there's a "don't post about why your post was deleted" rule.

You're supposed to be able to learn and adapt.

Andy

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12 years ago

Andy,

Paul is the only moderator that's posted in this thread.

Three mods have posted in this thread to this point, two of whom have the ability to delete the whole thing or any section of it. And yet, it's still here...

Andrei,

We dont get told the rules in explicit black and white instead we get told mocking things such as:

There is nothing mocking about telling grown people to use their own common sense, rather than expecting others to explain every little nuance of a social interaction.

Adding to this, it seems there are different rules for different posters.

Actually, there aren't.

The basic rule that governs things like posting reports in discussion areas is about self-promotion. When someone has proven, over a long enough stretch of posts, that they're not attempting to use the forum for self-promotion, and they've given enough value to the group to know that their efforts are genuine, we tend to assume that attitude will apply to things like reports.

If we have that strong a reason to believe they're not trying to turn the discussion areas into their own private ad spaces, we may allow an exception to the "No giveaways" policy.

Like I said... This is not complicated stuff.

this entire topic is about why we arnt told what we do wrong.

Piffle.

You've been told this directly on previous occasions, and you've read it more than once in other threads: There is not time enough in the day to explain every deleted post or thread. That's true even if it weren't the case that many people will argue and debate until they have so much invested that they feel they have to "win," at any cost.

Its like a kid stealing from another kid, you do not explain why he is not allowed to do it, you do not explain why it is wrong. You smack his hand, send him to his room and be silent. Mate, that kid will be seriously messed up when he grows up!

The particular "kid" in question in this thread has had it explained to him repeatedly. And he's not a kid, as I see him. He's a grown person who's trying to get away with something he knows he shouldn't.

When you explain something to a grown person repeatedly and they refuse to grasp it, whose responsibility is that, Andrei?

I get griped at by some of the other mods and former mods for explaining this at least once a month. Most of them think I should just delete every "Why was my thread deleted" post, without comment. I spend the time for the benefit of the new folks who may not bother to read the stickies. Like the "Being a better member moderator" sticky, which contains a clear explanation of why we don't explain every deletion. (See post #3 in that thread.)

Don't bother trying to claim that rule isn't clearly posted, sir. It's been explained repeatedly for years, and it's been in that post in that thread since February of this year.

I'll have to put up with it because that is the power you guys hold. You get to argue your points with the allmighty power of the moderator status. Deleting those threads, posts and replies as and when you choose. THAT IS A COLD HARD FACT!

Actually, it's not. There are thousands of posts here that I'd delete if I were to act on my own preferences, rather than the rules. And a lot that I delete which I'd leave if it were just my choice. I'm fairly confident that's true of the other moderators here, too.

In fact you virtually have the power to spin any thread whichever way you want. To the point where you can be perceived to win any argument with dictatorial power.

You mean, like discussing this with you, rather than just deleting the whole thread?

Oh... As for your video post that was deleted... The theme from "The Twilight Zone?" Really? That contributed something useful? Or took a great deal of thought on your part? THAT was your example of our horrible abuse of dictatorial powers?

If you don't like the fact that there are moderators, consider what this place would be like without them.

If thats how you treat the loyal visitors to the forum which clearly I have been over the years, buying wso's, warrior products and services and in fact literally about to start my own WSO porject.

The amount of money you spend here, whether with the forum or with advertisers, is irrelevant to moderation policy. There are plenty of people who spend a lot more here than you do, including some who spend thousands every month posting WSOs, who can tell you that it doesn't get them a pass around the rules.

Paul

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