General Legal Tip For Internet Marketers!

by The Lawyer Banned
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First of all, I want to preface this post with an addendum emphasizing the consultation of an attorney in your area before acting upon ANY legal advice presented on the internet.

These are just some points contesting information clients generally have accepted as fact with respect to jurisprudence and accompanying legalities within the ever-confusing sphere, that is internet.


If you ever get a C&D don't freak out. Most likely you have received this due to some alleged infringement and/or violation of a particular copyright/trademark/etc.
  • Most likely since they have acquired counsel, have the means to legally suffocate you financially with legal gymnastics. You'll have to lawyer up if you want to fight it, and it's going to cost you a pretty penny. Expect to spend tens of thousands, depending on the financial means of aforementioned plaintiff.
  • This means, only if you are making nothing short of a killing with your site, is it in your best interest to pursue litigation in civil court.
  • The sad truth is, they can and often due present C&D's to individuals to try to scare them into transferring all title and rights to them without having any real legal merit or basis. They know you cannot afford to hire an attorney and fight them...
So, what can you do?

Always, respond to a C&D, preferably from an attorney who will respond in a fashion implying that you plan to pursue litigation in civil court. This in and of itself may make them decide to ignore you. You can also write them back yourself, although not as powerful.

If they insist subsequent your or your attorney's rebuttal to their alleged trademark and/or name violations and maintain they want you to transfer all rights,etc. to them, then this is what you do next:

  • Explain to them that you spent hundreds (or thousands) of dollars developing the site and furthermore have spend thousands of hours developing the site and planning the marketing structure and business plan all based upon the usage of _____ (whatever they want from you).
  • Tell them you would be willing to settle and transfer rights to them for X amount of money. This is your only and last hope to get something out of this if you don't want to pursue costly litigation.

About half the time they reluctantly agree, which is great and if they don't just hand it over to them. Unless they have blatantly sent you a C&D on a completely fictitious basis which then you can sue them...but that's a whole different post.

You can also try to keep sending reply's to their attorney, which they will have to respond back and that comes out of the pocket of their client. If you keep responding with long retorts the client may just say the hell with you.
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  • Profile picture of the author birddog200
    Haha, I like this, especially the last paragraph.
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  • Profile picture of the author davezan
    Originally Posted by The Lawyer View Post

    • Tell them you would be willing to settle and transfer rights to them for X amount of money. This is your only and last hope to get something out of this if you don't want to pursue costly litigation.
    A catch, though, is some parties might treat that as some proof of bad faith on
    the responding party's part. That's a reason why I say it ultimately depends on
    who you're potentially dealing with, especially if it's someone who unreasonable
    yet arguably might have the law on their side. (arguably, anyway...)

    But I do agree it's best to respond to a C&D when you can, especially if you are
    caught dead to rights.
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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
    First of all, I want to preface this post with an addendum emphasizing the consultation of an attorney in your area before acting upon ANY legal advice presented on the internet.
    And I would like to point out to folks that the fact that someone claims to be an attorney does not mean they are, in fact, an attorney. We've had plenty of people posting here who said they were, without having any of the qualifications required to substantiate the claim. Most recently, someone using the alias "Internet Lawyer."

    It is wise to treat any such claims that aren't accompanied by verifiable proof with a healthy dose of skepticism.


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  • Profile picture of the author mstewart
    Anyway,it is lawyers who could deal with complicated legal issues when needed.They knew more about the laws if they are qualified and experienced.
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  • Profile picture of the author kindsvater
    I received a complaint about this poster and, after reviewing this thread and others, recommend this person be barred from posting until proof of their license to practice law is confirmed.

    The posts do not read as if they are coming from an attorney and this would not be the first legal imposter to invade the forum.

    These are just some points contesting information clients generally have accepted as fact with respect to jurisprudence and accompanying legalities within the ever-confusing sphere, that is internet.
    This is closer to spun gibberish than anything useful.

    Normally I would suggest this privately to Paul, but the posts are disturbing so I would not want anyone to rely upon what is truly bad advice.

    There are several examples of bad advice in the few posts that have been made, including this suggestion in this thread about dealing with a trademark complaint and a domain:

    Tell them you would be willing to settle and transfer rights to them for X amount of money.
    If you have a potential trademark issue, especially with a domain, you do not want to do this. It is called extortion. Also known as how to convert a dispute into a cybersquatting case with the potential for significant statutory damages to be awarded.

    This is a recognized element of 'bad faith' many who are not attorneys are well aware of.

    It also makes no sense that "you" would be making these demands after your attorney has been communicating about the trademark issue. It does not reflect the procedural reality of the situation. If you have counsel please don't try to be your own lawyer at the same time.

    You can also try to keep sending reply's to their attorney, which they will have to respond back and that comes out of the pocket of their client. If you keep responding with long retorts the client may just say the hell with you.
    More likely, they will end the attempt at informal resolution and drop a lawsuit on you to recover their attorney fees and force a judicially imposed resolution. And, suddenly, it may now be you who is paying out of pocket for an attorney.

    Ultimately, though, no attorney would be making these suggestions.

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    • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
      You can also try to keep sending reply's to their attorney, which they will have to respond back and that comes out of the pocket of their client. If you keep responding with long retorts the client may just say the hell with you.
      Originally Posted by kindsvater View Post

      Ultimately, though, no attorney would be making these suggestions.
      I'd also like to think they knew how to form the plural of "reply". :rolleyes:
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      • Profile picture of the author Martin Luxton
        Explain to them that you spent hundreds (or thousands) of dollars developing the site and furthermore have spend thousands of hours developing the site and planning the marketing structure and business plan all based upon the usage of _____ (whatever they want from you).
        . . . because some guy's sister's cousin who's married to a guy who once cleaned the toilets at Google told me you could make a ton of money before you got caught.


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      • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
        I've read a few of the posts by "Internet Lawyer", and most of them sound like a 12 year old pretending to talk like a lawyer.

        Contrast that with the real deal (kindsvater), and draw your own conclusions...
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        • Profile picture of the author Kay King
          In many areas I think it's illegal for a practicing attorney to even participate in discussions of legality without fully identifying himself.

          Anyone listening to and following advice of an anonymous (lawyer) name needs to wake up and smell the cow patties.

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      • Profile picture of the author Bill Farnham
        This thread originally appeared to be ripe for deletion on several fronts. It's clearly posturing and self promotional in nature and borderline dangerous because when someone starts off with "So, what can you do? " followed by "Always..." it raises red flags.

        Additionally, it is structured as an article moreso than a discussion topic.

        I was confused to see this reappear.

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          Even if he's not an attorney, he may have stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night ...

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  • Profile picture of the author Nicola Lane
    And the OP has been hit with the ban hammer.

    It is a good job this chair has arms or I'd be ROFLMAO
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    • Profile picture of the author R Hagel
      Originally Posted by The Lawyer View Post

      These are just some points contesting information clients generally have accepted as fact with respect to jurisprudence and accompanying legalities within the ever-confusing sphere, that is internet.

      Originally Posted by kindsvater View Post

      This is closer to spun gibberish than anything useful.

      Amazing Lawyer-ease Content Spinner inserts lawyer-like words into ANY sentence to make you sound smart!


      You'll fool plenty of people into thinking you're a real attorney. All you have to do is call yourself "The Lawyer" and start using spun phrases like this:

      -- Someone drop a C&D on you? No problem! Just drop a writ of Habeas Corpus on them and watch them scatter like cockroaches in the light!

      -- You can avoid getting sued for cybersquatting simply by mirandizing your surety bond!

      -- Are you an IMer with trademarks in your domain name? No problem -- you have Sovereign Immunity and Subpoena Duces Tecum -- this one-two punch will knock out any lawsuit!


      See? It works like magic! So download the Lawyer-ease Content Spinner today and see if you don't get more respect, more WF "thanks" and yeah... more dates with hot girls!
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      • Profile picture of the author Bill Farnham
        Originally Posted by R Hagel View Post

        and yeah... more dates with hot girls!
        Lawyers get dates with hot girls?

        Does that require those babes to sign a NDA or just a Prenup for future use?

        I'm guessing a reverse Non-Compete is manditory... :rolleyes:

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        • Profile picture of the author R Hagel
          Originally Posted by Bill Farnham View Post

          Lawyers get dates with hot girls?
          Only the lawyers (or wannabe lawyers) who use my software. Duh.
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      • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
        Originally Posted by R Hagel View Post

        Amazing Lawyer-ease Content Spinner inserts lawyer-like words into ANY sentence to make you sound smart!



        You'll fool plenty of people into thinking you're a real attorney. All you have to do is call yourself "The Lawyer" and start using spun phrases like this:

        -- Someone drop a C&D on you? No problem! Just drop a writ of Habeas Corpus on them and watch them scatter like cockroaches in the light!

        -- You can avoid getting sued for cybersquatting simply by mirandizing your surety bond!

        -- Are you an IMer with trademarks in your domain name? No problem -- you have Sovereign Immunity and Subpoena Duces Tecum -- this one-two punch will knock out any lawsuit!


        See? It works like magic! So download the Lawyer-ease Content Spinner today and see if you don't get more respect, more WF "thanks" and yeah... more dates with hot girls!
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      • Profile picture of the author HeySal
        Originally Posted by R Hagel View Post

        Amazing Lawyer-ease Content Spinner inserts lawyer-like words into ANY sentence to make you sound smart!


        You'll fool plenty of people into thinking you're a real attorney. All you have to do is call yourself "The Lawyer" and start using spun phrases like this:

        -- Someone drop a C&D on you? No problem! Just drop a writ of Habeas Corpus on them and watch them scatter like cockroaches in the light!

        -- You can avoid getting sued for cybersquatting simply by mirandizing your surety bond!

        -- Are you an IMer with trademarks in your domain name? No problem -- you have Sovereign Immunity and Subpoena Duces Tecum -- this one-two punch will knock out any lawsuit!


        See? It works like magic! So download the Lawyer-ease Content Spinner today and see if you don't get more respect, more WF "thanks" and yeah... more dates with hot girls!
        Don't look now ..... but I think I smell a refund request coming.
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    When in doubt, always do your due dilligence!
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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
      Originally Posted by kaper7 View Post

      When in doubt, always do your due dilligence!
      It is even MORE important to do your due diligence when you're convinced that you don't have to.

      All the best,
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    • Profile picture of the author lgibbon
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      Originally Posted by kaper7 View Post

      When in doubt, always do your due dilligence!
      Yep,
      The only bit I believe now is the date at the top of the post.
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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
    And the OP has been hit with the ban hammer.
    I'm going to remind folks that you should not assume anything from a ban other than that the account has been limited from posting for some period of time.

    You know less than I do at this point, and I don't know enough to come to a definitive conclusion yet.


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