A few questions about Kindle book formatting...

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I've spent HOURS searching Google trying to find info about Kindle book formatting -- but good, correct info is very hard to find.

Note: I intend to manually format a Kindle book using simple HTML -- I'm NOT going to just do a "quick and dirty" conversion from Word.

Anyway, here are my remaining questions:

1) Should I include the cover image within the book's HTML? (I want the cover to be seen when someone reads the book.)

2) Can you use HTML tags like <blockquote> to offset sections of text?

3) Apparently, I need to have both OPF and NCX files. Will Amazon's publishing system create/add them for me, or do I need to use MobiCreator (?) to add those files?

4) Do I need to zip all the book's files together in a single folder (and then upload it to Amazon)?

Thanks in advance for any advice you can offer.

-John
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  • Profile picture of the author lotsofsnow
    Hi John,

    I know that formatting ebook for the Kindle can be a pain in the back; I have done it several times.

    There is one guide that shows you how to do all that: Quick Kindle Formatting Secrets w/ Free Software & 10 Newbie Easy Videos

    Hope that helps.

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    • Profile picture of the author Warrior Richard
      You have a HTML file for the book's content and then you have a separate image for cover. With MobiPocket you then connect them together. It should produce one file. Look at the official amazon howto, part Using MobiPocket Creator to Build Your Book.

      Then if you want to publish the book you could either upload the original word file (didn't try it with the html) or you use the produced file from the above step. Here's the amazon video tutorial for uploading the book:
      https://kdp.amazon.com/self-publishi...A2M7MM0UP7PHK0
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    • Profile picture of the author OhioWriter
      Originally Posted by hpgoodboy View Post

      Hi John,

      I know that formatting ebook for the Kindle can be a pain in the back; I have done it several times.

      There is one guide that shows you how to do all that: Quick Kindle Formatting Secrets w/ Free Software & 10 Newbie Easy Videos

      Hope that helps.

      HP
      I would recommend this one as well. Great stuff.
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  • Profile picture of the author gfMedia
    Hi John,

    Great questions. Here are my answers which I hope help.
    Originally Posted by Johnny12345 View Post

    I've spent HOURS searching Google trying to find info about Kindle book formatting -- but good, correct info is very hard to find.
    I've done the same and totally agree. Most sources of information and even most WSO's continue to give out the wrong directions or are missing important details that are needed to get the best results.

    Originally Posted by Johnny12345 View Post

    Note: I intend to manually format a Kindle book using simple HTML -- I'm NOT going to just do a "quick and dirty" conversion from Word.
    I think that's a really good way to go to get the best results.

    Originally Posted by Johnny12345 View Post

    1) Should I include the cover image within the book's HTML? (I want the cover to be seen when someone reads the book.)
    As long as you correctly use Mobipocket Creator to build your PRC/MOBI file and you don't get any errors, you are good.

    Mobipocket Creator pulls all files into the PRC and links to them correctly.
    Originally Posted by Johnny12345 View Post

    2) Can you use HTML tags like <blockquote> to offset sections of text?
    Yes, just follow this guide Mobipocket Developer Center - Open-eBook HTML tags
    Originally Posted by Johnny12345 View Post

    3) Apparently, I need to have both OPF and NCX files. Will Amazon's publishing system create/add them for me, or do I need to use MobiCreator (?) to add those files?
    Not exactly, the OPF yes is pretty much handled by Mobipocket but there appears to be a bug in the current version that prevents Windows 7/IE9 users from building a correct toc.ncx file. There seems to be ways to fix this but I haven't been able to make it work and I'm a web developer. That means I create the toc.ncx and the OPF files outside of Mobipocket and it works great.
    Originally Posted by Johnny12345 View Post

    4) Do I need to zip all the book's files together in a single folder (and then upload it to Amazon)?
    No, not if you use Mobipocket to build the PRC/MOBI file.
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    • Profile picture of the author Johnny12345
      Hi Brad,

      Thanks for the tips.

      At this point, I plan to do the basic formatting in HTML and let Mobi Pocket Creator add the opf, ncx, and e-cover.

      HTML is so easy that I don't understand why people try to use Word for formatting. If Mobi can add the (missing) additional files/elements, I'll be happy.

      John
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  • Profile picture of the author ebooks4u
    Send me your file, and I will do it for you free.

    Originally Posted by Johnny12345 View Post

    I've spent HOURS searching Google trying to find info about Kindle book formatting -- but good, correct info is very hard to find.

    Note: I intend to manually format a Kindle book using simple HTML -- I'm NOT going to just do a "quick and dirty" conversion from Word.

    Anyway, here are my remaining questions:

    1) Should I include the cover image within the book's HTML? (I want the cover to be seen when someone reads the book.)

    2) Can you use HTML tags like <blockquote> to offset sections of text?

    3) Apparently, I need to have both OPF and NCX files. Will Amazon's publishing system create/add them for me, or do I need to use MobiCreator (?) to add those files?

    4) Do I need to zip all the book's files together in a single folder (and then upload it to Amazon)?

    Thanks in advance for any advice you can offer.

    -John
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    • Profile picture of the author angela99
      I'm not touting anything here that you must buy (you can certainly do it for free), but have you looked at Scrivener?

      I use Scrivener because I'm way too busy to worry about Kindle/ ereader formatting.

      Scrivener converts to the Kindle format in a few clicks. You can include a title page image, and a Table of Contents. (And other images too...)

      I've been using Scrivener on my Mac for years, and there's a beta version for Windows.

      Beyond ebook formatting, it's an amazing tool for anyone who's into creating books, ebooks and other info products.

      Here are the links:

      Windows: Literature and Latte - Scrivener

      Mac: Literature and Latte - Scrivener

      There's an Exporting Ebooks video on this page, it'll give you some idea of how easy "Kindle formatting" is:

      Literature and Latte - Scrivener Tutorial Videos

      I export to Kindle format in around 15 seconds, because I've saved the settings for exporting to Kindle from the first time I set up an export.

      There's a very active Scrivener forum with wonderful people and fantastic insights. I haven't visited for a while. Must do that, thanks for reminding me. :-)

      Again -- I'm not touting anything in this post, nor am I posting affiliate links.

      I'm just telling you what I use; it's a wonderful program. Don't know what I'd do without it. If I had to rely on MS Word to create ebooks, I'd cut my own throat with a rusty, blunt knife just to end the aggravation... :-)

      Cheers

      Angela
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      • Profile picture of the author Johnny12345
        Hi Angela,

        Thanks for mentioning it. I never heard of Scrivener before. I'll check it out, but I'm interested in seeing what Mobi Pocket Creator can do (especially since Amazon recommends it).

        John

        P.S. And try to stay away from those rusty butter knives!
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    • Profile picture of the author Johnny12345
      Originally Posted by ebooks4u View Post

      Send me your file, and I will do it for you free.
      Thank you for the offer, Dirk.

      But I really want to do it myself.

      John
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  • Profile picture of the author SerenityS
    Yes, I use mobicreator for that.
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  • Profile picture of the author godinu
    Many authors also use smashwords (site) which will convert the books for you. then list them through kdp on amazon. smashwords also allows you to sell them via barnes and noble, etc.
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    • Profile picture of the author marciayudkin
      Note: I intend to manually format a Kindle book using simple HTML -- I'm NOT going to just do a "quick and dirty" conversion from Word.
      There's nothing "dirty" about converting from Word if you have a simple text format. You can get your manuscript to display perfectly in Kindle from Word. I posted an article on this in the Article section: http://www.warriorforum.com/articles...asy-steps.html

      It's not necessary to get into the HTML unless your formatting for your book is unusually complicated and that's essential to the communication you intend.

      In any case, good luck. Kindle is a great medium for sales!

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      • Profile picture of the author Johnny12345
        Hi Marcia,

        The HTML that Word produces -- even using the "filtered" option -- is quite "dirty." Word adds a lot of styles and other unnecessary "junk."

        You're using an alternate method (and that's fine), but I like the control that HTML gives me. It's not a chore; it's easy.

        Your article doesn't mention e-covers, OPF files, or NCX files -- and, in my rather limited experience, those seem to be the elements that confuse most beginning Kindle authors.

        In addition, your article mentions setting specific point sizes in Word. But the Kindle displays HTML and doesn't allow font sizes to be "set" -- so, at some point, a conversion has to take place.

        My point is that starting with HTML and letting a program like Mobi Pocket Creator handle the complexity of adding the cover, OPF, and NCX files seems to be the path that involves the least amount of "conversion" -- so my file has the best chance of looking EXACTLY as I intended.

        Of course, I haven't actually done it, yet. So I may be naively mistaken. We'll see...

        John


        Originally Posted by marciayudkin View Post

        There's nothing "dirty" about converting from Word if you have a simple text format. You can get your manuscript to display perfectly in Kindle from Word. I posted an article on this in the Article section: http://www.warriorforum.com/articles...asy-steps.html

        It's not necessary to get into the HTML unless your formatting for your book is unusually complicated and that's essential to the communication you intend.

        In any case, good luck. Kindle is a great medium for sales!

        Marcia Yudkin
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  • Profile picture of the author zamzung
    The way how I'm doing it is to write a complete ebook in MS Word, then I save it as web page, filtered, which converts it to HTML format... after that I'm using Mobipocket to create .prc file which is then uploaded to KDP on Amazon... so far it works pretty good...
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    • Profile picture of the author Johnny12345
      This is probably the same basic method I'll use -- except that I'll clean up the HTML. (Either that, or delete ALL the formatting and add the HTML tags manually.)

      John


      Originally Posted by zamzung View Post

      The way how I'm doing it is to write a complete ebook in MS Word, then I save it as web page, filtered, which converts it to HTML format... after that I'm using Mobipocket to create .prc file which is then uploaded to KDP on Amazon... so far it works pretty good...
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      • Profile picture of the author gfMedia
        The real test is how well it works on the actual Kindle or the other e-readers once it is finally uploaded.

        If anyone is wondering if their Word upload is fully working or not just check if it has a functional nav and menu controls.

        For example: In the Kindle Previewer does the Cover (Ctrl+R), Table of Contents (Ctrl+T) and NCX View (Ctrl+N) all work without any of them popping up an error dialog? It's surprising just how many out there throw a Missing NCX file or Missing Table of Content.

        Even Mobipocket isn't completely correct. The toc bug has been there for awhile and doesn't seem to an issue they are concerned about that much. That's why I do it my way.

        The final say will always be in the finished product no matter what. If it is just okay will that be enough to stand out from the crowd? Will it leave your readers with a good impression?

        Also, how easy is it to add extra premium features?

        There are several fairly good tools available but for me each has pros and cons.

        For me, I like to be sure I know what's going on and not to blindly rely on beta (er buggy) code unless it's mine ;-)
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  • Profile picture of the author sal64
    LOL. WHen I read the title, the first thing I checked was if you are a War room member... and you are.

    Go there and do a search for Paul Coleman. You'll find every thing you need and then some.

    PS: Give yourself an uppercut.

    Sal

    Originally Posted by Johnny12345 View Post

    I've spent HOURS searching Google trying to find info about Kindle book formatting -- but good, correct info is very hard to find.

    Note: I intend to manually format a Kindle book using simple HTML -- I'm NOT going to just do a "quick and dirty" conversion from Word.

    Anyway, here are my remaining questions:

    1) Should I include the cover image within the book's HTML? (I want the cover to be seen when someone reads the book.)

    2) Can you use HTML tags like <blockquote> to offset sections of text?

    3) Apparently, I need to have both OPF and NCX files. Will Amazon's publishing system create/add them for me, or do I need to use MobiCreator (?) to add those files?

    4) Do I need to zip all the book's files together in a single folder (and then upload it to Amazon)?

    Thanks in advance for any advice you can offer.

    -John
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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Gram
    Not sure why anyone wants to use HTML or even other stuff like Mobi and Calibre.

    You can get perfect formatting using just Microsoft Word and upload it from Word directly to Amazon without any additional programs and without messing with html or anything else. No need for html, mobi, calibre, or anything else. Just Word.
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    • Profile picture of the author sal64
      Nice presell for your WSO.

      Originally Posted by Paul Gram View Post

      Not sure why anyone wants to use HTML or even other stuff like Mobi and Calibre.

      You can get perfect formatting using just Microsoft Word and upload it from Word directly to Amazon without any additional programs and without messing with html or anything else. No need for html, mobi, calibre, or anything else. Just Word.
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      • Profile picture of the author gfMedia
        Originally Posted by sal64 View Post

        Nice presell for your WSO.
        Couldn't let your comment go without offering my take

        I do hope this comment applies to the op after I explain my reasoning.

        As a marketing forum, we're all here to connect in some way to build relationships that hopefully lead to increased business. That's a given.

        But the key or important part at least for me is to offer REAL value and not to just spam our offers.

        For example, does my reply answer the question the op asked? Will it add something of value or JUST try to take over the conversation? If it does both then great but at least it adds value, right?

        I think it's critical to give before getting anything.

        So we can debate what tool to use to do a job and that's great. There are many tools that can do the job, just like there are many brands of cars that all allow you to drive. People just prefer one brand over another and everyone seems to be happy with that.

        Each person has their preference and that makes things interesting.

        But being successful in business isn't just about using a good tool. It's also vital that you use that tool in a way that gives you a significant advantage in the marketplace or you won't be around long.

        So pick the best tool that gives you that advantage, add the best strategy you can find and build a great system out of it.

        If a system comes along that has all these elements then awesome, use it or find something else that you prefer.
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      • Profile picture of the author Paul Gram
        Originally Posted by sal64 View Post

        Nice presell for your WSO.
        You don't need my WSO to make it work but it does make it easier and saves time but again, it's not a requirement. Many people think Word can't format properly for the Kindle or that you need other software to make it work and it's just not true. FYI, I did not even mention it in my post.
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        • Profile picture of the author KenJ
          I must be doing this all wrong.

          All my kindle books were easily formatted following the step by step instructions supplied by the good people at Kindle. I am not technical and do not know half of what this thread is about. But why make things so complicated when it is so simple?

          Very Puzzled

          Kenj
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          • Profile picture of the author marciayudkin
            why make things so complicated when it is so simple?
            Some of us are working from manuscript files that were created prior to the existence of the Kindle. When you take a manuscript that was formatted without an eye to what Kindle can do and can't do, then it is no simple matter at all to convert that into something that looks good and flows correctly on Kindle. It's also no simple matter to fix up the file for a full-length book so that it will work well.

            I'm really glad you didn't have any problem doing this. Perhaps you had a short, simple file to work with. If you have bullet points, several levels of subheads, chapter breaks and information in tables or charts, it's extremely challenging.

            Count yourself lucky!

            Marcia Yudkin
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  • Profile picture of the author JayElle
    I'm curious and could use a hand if you have a moment. I've read the instructions here (and several other places, including the nice link share for the training class and the Kindle site). One step intrigues me. If you can import a .doc file to either the Kindle uploader OR MobiCreator, why the step to convert to HTML first?

    Thanks in advance and I'll be on the lookout for a question I can answer.

    Blessings
    MamaRed
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  • Profile picture of the author GuruGazette
    I've been using Word for the past several months. If you don't have complicated layouts like multi-column pages it works fine. Use the standard TOC tools and bibliography tools if applicable, and KDP converts it with no problems.

    For the past several years I just used raw html with a standard text editor. You create the TOC using bookmarks and anchors, insert cover and other images with regular image tags, etc.
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    • Profile picture of the author JayElle
      Thank you Kathy... I appreciate the quick response.
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