Guru Scammers VS Education

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I was reading through a lot this morning regarding the lawsuit involving Jeff Paul and his Shortcuts to Internet Millions. I hate people like that just as much as anyone since they give the industry a bad name, but it's funny to look back on life and see how much you have been scammed by people without noticing it.

I remember the first year of college when I decided that I was done working for anyone else and tired of sitting in a classroom "getting an education" from a teacher that has no idea what she's talking about - just because the book written in 1978 says something is correct doesn't mean it still is.

The average cost of a bachelor's degree is $25,143 per year at a private college and $6,585 at a public college or university, according to the 2008-09 reports released by the College Board. About 56 percent of students pay less than $9,000 in tuition and fees per year, the board found, while only 9 percent pay more than $33,000. These averages do not include room and board.
Now the above isn't bad - if you made as much as they promise you. But really, how many people really get their Bachelor's in Business and then start immediately make $80,000/year?

My point is that people shed bad light on how they wasted money trying to make money online, but they don't consider how schools and other institutions are scamming them far more than that Internet guru who they paid $1000 to for some stupid turnkey website.

I am not saying that college is a bad thing and would never recommend someone to drop out - but I think the education system should be thought for this example. But I am saying that is it is funny how when I dropped out almost every friend I had said that I was being stupid for just trying to make money online. If that was true, why are they now the same people asking me for loans even though they are the ones with the college degree?

Just some thoughts
#education #guru #scammers
  • Profile picture of the author Justin Says


    Great share.

    I personally graduated high school with one of the lowest GPA's, I was considered one of the people that would most likely never get anywhere in life. I dealt with one brother passing of cancer, and another committing suicide, which pushed my depression even further. I literally had no hopes or dreams.

    But.

    When I came online, things started to change dramatically for me.

    I had never gone to college, never really had much experience online (other than games), and had never built a website before I started.

    When I made my first $0.23, all of my friends thought I was stupid too. Heck even my family thought it was pretty dumb. They kept telling me to give up and do something with my life. To get a real job (I had just been laid off of a trucking company).

    And to just be straight forward.

    I've had single weeks' where I have made more money than most of people I want to school with made in an entire year.

    I'm not filthy rich. Of course, that involves work. But I ignored everything I was ever taught and started thinking for myself. Education is great. It's a good starting point.

    But.

    I absolutely disagree with our educational system and how we are brainwashed into getting good grades so we can graduate and then get into a good college, which after we graduate will ensure us a great job, and we'll live happily ever after.

    Pssh. Most people I know that are in college or have graduated have been screwed in every which way.

    Why the hell are people paying SO MUCH MONEY for so little...

    Ai. Anyways. Just my thoughts. Again I'm not rich. I spend almost all of my money testing new campaigns, new strategies, and new techniques so that I can learn more and more now.. oh and I go out to eat everyday ^^

    Thanks for the share. I just wanted to share my thoughts on the matter, however I have much more, just not enough time in a day to say lol.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by Chase Watts View Post

    But really, how many people really get their Bachelor's in Business and then start immediately make $80,000/year?
    "Not many, Benny".

    The ones who get jobs, I think, would mostly work their way up to that income-figure over 2 or maybe 3 years?

    But like so many discussions here about education, it all comes down to whether you equate the importance of education with earning potential. I sense (from many earlier conversations) that in America that's perhaps a more common perspective than elsewhere in the world (perhaps partly because it typically costs more to go to college, over there?), but many people don't look at education that way.

    The value of "a degree" is something totally different from the value of "education".

    For sure, there's a rather small minority of super-successful people who didn't go to college whose names are habitually and disproportionately cited as "examples", but the reality is actually that in all the countries where so much research has been done on this question for so many decades, average graduate lifelong incomes are way higher than average non-graduate lifelong incomes.

    In any case, "education" is what remains when all the stuff you learned has been long forgotten.
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  • Profile picture of the author YwYoYwY
    I needed a new brain by my early 20's. My academic abilities needed major improvement; a paradigm shift so to speak.

    I joined the Navy for an overhauled brain reconditioning. Brainwashing? I don't know. The kick start worked anyway. Now I don't struggle to get D's. I Ace through every college class I take, and I am Phi Theta Kappa. It is a sense of accomplishment for me. By the way, Algebra is good for you. Of course, money pays for the education. Being able to apply the knowledge is what really matters...
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Putt
    I am 57, and I have said for years that I learned more of what was of use to me in my first year in the real world than I did in all my time at school
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  • Profile picture of the author Vlad Romanov
    There are far more people saying they regret not getting an education that those saying they made the right choice, I think that fact alone proves a point.
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    • Profile picture of the author JCorp
      Originally Posted by Vlad Romanov View Post

      There are far more people saying they regret not getting an education that those saying they made the right choice, I think that fact alone proves a point.
      Most likely because those who spent years and years getting an education in institutions yet are still discontent with their social, financial or economical circumstances are less vocal about it, who really wants to admit they got played by the "system"...
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    • Profile picture of the author boxoun
      Originally Posted by Vlad Romanov View Post

      There are far more people saying they regret not getting an education that those saying they made the right choice, I think that fact alone proves a point.
      Although I agree, not sure its appropriate to use the word "fact" without sourcing.

      More and more people are advocating specialty schools and not so much college.

      Whatever it is, get trained to be good at something. Even if its driving a truck.
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  • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
    Originally Posted by Ken_Caudill View Post

    If you see no reason for education other than to get a "good job," you should drop out immediately.
    I really like that one, Ken.




    Not so much college, that I know of, but...
    In mass education, many people don't realize that alot of teachers are working from script 'mills'. There is an entire industry that produces the itinerary that kids are taught nowadays.
    More of an assembly line...

    While it is true you can learn as much from "fools as from sages",

    I will keep the presence of mind as to what fools I will learn from.


    Finding a good teacher is akin to finding gold.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
      Originally Posted by Roaddog View Post

      In mass education, many people don't realize that alot of teachers are working from script 'mills'. There is an entire industry that produces the itinerary that kids are taught nowadays.
      More of an assembly line...
      I didn't know I was part of a mill.

      I don't know if we're talking about the same thing, but my book is used as the teach text in a lot of colleges. When students take their test they think the teacher made that test up. Not so, I did. For every book I've written for an educational publisher I also had to write a quiz for each chapter, in addition to the quizzes in the book itself. Not that there's anything wrong with that, mind you. It's just not something that's commonly known, I don't think.
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  • Profile picture of the author cardine
    College is currently in a bubble right now. The cost of college keeps on going up even though the value of a college degree (increase in base salary compared to non-college graduates is going down).

    Couple that with the fact that educating yourself is getting easier and easier with the internet (take a look at Wikipedia, Khan Academy, and Stanford's courses that are published for free online), college will be facing a correctional period sometime soon when people realize they aren't getting enough in value to warrant the incredibly steep pricetag.
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  • Profile picture of the author ronaldmd
    Hehe. I found his commercial.

    Interesting. , are those real?
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    • Profile picture of the author E. Brian Rose
      Originally Posted by ronaldmd View Post

      Hehe. I found his commercial.
      watch on youtube

      Interesting. , are those real?
      There was a disclaimer at the bottom of the screen about two minutes in that said, "Your financial results may vary and no boobs in this show are guaranteed to be real."

      That doesn't exactly say whether or not they are real, it just says that there are no guarantees.
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      • Profile picture of the author YwYoYwY
        Originally Posted by E. Brian Rose View Post

        There was a disclaimer at the bottom of the screen about two minutes in that said, "Your financial results may vary and no boobs in this show are guaranteed to be real."

        That doesn't exactly say whether or not they are real, it just says that there are no guarantees.

        Welcome to the road of hard knockers.
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        • Profile picture of the author Itachi
          One thing is sure though is that no school offline teaches you to start your own business by making your own websites for instance, and I even could say that nobody teaches you to make your own business at schools whether it's online or offline at all (the business not the teaching).

          MBA in marketing ? teaches you to market other people product most likely ? again I'm no expert but this is how I see things.

          In fact I believe that nobody teaches you to make your own business and become independant because nobody wants you to be indepandant...

          Maybe I'm paranoid ? or a conspiracy theorist even ?
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          • Profile picture of the author YwYoYwY
            Originally Posted by Itachi View Post

            One thing is sure though is that no school offline teaches you to start your own business by making your own websites for instance, and I even could say that nobody teaches you to make your own business at schools whether it's online or offline at all (the business not the teaching).

            MBA in marketing ? teaches you to market other people product most likely ? again I'm no expert but this is how I see things.

            In fact I believe that nobody teaches you to make your own business and become independant because nobody wants you to be indepandant...

            Maybe I'm paranoid ? or a conspiracy theorist even ?
            You are not too wrong, and I think it has to do with state approval of college courses. I took Web/Graphics design in college that was in the midst of being approved by the state. The focus was more towards gaining entry level employment within a large business organization. Making a quick buck as an internet marketer was never touched upon. From my point of view, college politic will use its upper hand to the detriment of teacher sincerity towards the student. I'm talking about teachers who are actually devoted to the education of their students. If college were paying students instead of students paying college, the college would be less inclined to milk from the learning process every penny it can get away with. Sometimes college greediness goes to far, and then they lose funding (free money the college gets) as a result.
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  • Profile picture of the author UMS
    Oh boy, that video is SO cheesy and cliche ridden, however, I bet it's been extremely effective.
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