how much of internet marketers claims do you believe?

Daniel,

Why don't you do a search on the forum? This topic has been discussed over and over and over and over and over again.

The general consensus is that you are responsible for your own buying decisions.

Just my humble opinion.

Di

None. I skip the claims and see if the offer makes any sense. If it doesn't or what its really about is hidden then I skip it entirely. Rep doesn't matter either. Much of the time rep is just an indication of marketing not content - so I skip that again until some substance is shown.

I'm at a loss why people buy things primarily on claims rather than the details of the offer. If they stopped doing that then the offers would get better . So buyers have a big part of the blame.

I think the question is, to be honest, why would someone reveal an amazing secret that makes them money to everyone... We do some basic tutorials in our publication, some "secrets" we find that can help people in their marketing. However, the one-stop secrets are complete bs.

There are both.

The thing is- most marketers aren't going to sell you the entire puzzle.

They might sell you the method, but not their specific keywords or niche.

Or they may sell you the method because they've now outsourced that and moved on to other things, so it isn't their main income stream anymore.

Or maybe they're just selling it because it's not going to get saturated. New traffic methods appear every day.

I don't mind learning about a new system or a secret that the marketer has.

What makes me laugh though is the fake clickbank earnings.

I am sure everyone knows that these can be made by a simple PHP code you add to the earnings page at Clickbank. I am waiting for someone to show us that they make $1 million a day.

Daniel,
I'm pretty new at this, however I get sick of all the scams out there also I did figure 1 thing out; If you sit back and let things influence you they will, so why not take action and influence others? Be the diamond in the rough you shall be rewarded for your efforts.



rudolph007

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(Just sayin')

Well that's great Di, except when people get duped then it's not really helpful to say "Oh, you're responsible for your own buying decisions".

A lot of people LIE. It's very easy to do so on the internet, but harder now with all the forums and social technologies.

The honest truth is that it's not 1996 anymore, so making money on the internet is essentially like making money off the internet. The upside is how little it takes to actually start-up something, and the fact that you can do at your desk.

I've come to realize that most legitimate marketers don't really throw numbers around loosely. It's pretty easy to spot who is legit and who is not by doing some quick research. Testimonials are great for social proof and it's pretty easy to tell the phony testimonials from the legit ones.

If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is.

so because it has been discussed over and over you cant start new disscution come on we all here to learn !!!!!!!

First off, of course I don't believe any hype claims. People are successful because of good strategy and good business sense, not because of products. And all people sell is products. I've seen firsthand the manipulation of "success".

A few years back in a coaching program, a lady launched an e-commerce store. During her first couple months, she used Adwords and sold about $30K worth of products. Between the cost of clicks and products, she broke even. I know that because she said it herself in her posts. Soon, that fact began to disappear to be replaced by "I started making $30K after 2 months". ha.

And I think "helping others" sounds good, but probably not a huge motivation for most. Most IM'ers love the topic..and there's money in it so it's kind of a natural move.

For over 8 years, I threw my altruistic vibes out there for free to help others. I can count on 2 fingers the ones who have actually worked and achieved. The rest just disappeared.

So why would I bother to help when people just sh1t in your face for it?

I gave up many hours and I shudder to think what it cost me financially. These days, If I see a customer who is totally committed, then I'll happily help them above and beyond the call of duty.

This whole BS argument about doing it for free is based on the totally false premise that the person you are going help will actually commit to following through... and in 99% of the cases, they won't.

Seriously, I wish some people would take their moralistic, over0inflated sense of entitlement and shove up their butt-hole.

Zero, of course.

I approach this from a distance. Many marketers exaggerates. Often the user reviews are not true, and the information and evidence presented in the bids are fictitious. You have to have a tender distance. Not everything is true. Yes, there are real deals that work and you can earn, but ... This offer does not attract real customers. Customers like big money, big keyes, they are often naive. It's my opinion ...

Most bull****, i know guys that are making millions but only a few on this forum

Most of what they say is "funny". Besides, I don't think those guys that make tens of millions per year online will come and tell us how they do it for 7 bucks(if you know what I mean).

The millionaires on the forum aren't going to tell you everything. I think more often then not you have to take your time and weed through the BS. There are some very good warriors who offer excellent products and support.

I wouldn't say I buy any courses based on what the earnings potential is. Mainly because it gets contradicted in the TOS of the site it's on when it has to be disclosed that there is no way to guarantee how much you will make with anything.

To me it's common sense with the offers. If there's something that can be applied such as AdSense CTR improvements or internal linking strategies there is usually value in any products I've got.

Like everything though, they may well be thorough enough to make a return on the investment but personally I think it's a mixture of components that you pick up here and there. Not always courses either.

Just from talking to others about what's happening online and picking up tid bits of information and doing some tweaking here and there.

As far as the earnings of others online, I do believe there are a few top level earners. Whether they choose to train others on exactly how to do the same as them is a different thing altogether.

I wouldn't believe any earnings claims from any pitches but I do believe that at some point that it's possible to make that kind of money. Just not from a $37 eBook though.

why is it that most people think us "marketers" are bad people saying things like "we only do it for the money"

Lets paint this picture for you lets say I offer a coaching program that pays me $200 a month per customer for 6 months but even after the 6 months are up I'm still coaching my customers who are no longer paying me $200 a month

Am I doing it for the money then? I don't think so I'm doing it because I generally want to help those customers succeed with there efforts to make money online or with what ever they are trying to do.

So lose this idea that all marketers are bad and that some do it for the paycheck.

Now I don't mean that everyone is willing to help someone out no not what I'm saying but some of us marketers generally want others to succeed.

The guy who showed me how to make money online sold me his course then closed the doors to the product but still does the webinars doesn't have to but does them anyways.

Oh and about the claims you hear about, I believe some of it because believe or not most of those claims are some what true.

For example if someone made $20,000 in one month then the next month they made half that what do you think that person is going to say "they make $20,000 a month" why because that is what is going to hook people into buying there stuff

It gives the potential buyer that "hey, this guy knows what he is talking about"

Just curios as to how people come to the conclusion as to what is hype and what is a scam?

Facts?

Who cares?

You're never know the real truth anyway.

And remember, it's not how much money they or you make it's how much PROFIT you make.

You can turnover 100k but if you've spent 98k to get that...

Concentrate on what you're earning and set yourself goals so that each money it grows.

Well, I'm thankful that I posted this topic, even if it has been discussed multiple times. I think that what I've learned here is definitely worth it. That is the benefit of rehashing old topics - new perspectives, and real time perspectives.

Thank you all for your contributions.

In 2009 it was estimated that there were 10 million people in the world worth $1,000,000 or more USD in the world. Do I think at least 1,000 of them are internet marketers? ABSOLUTELY

None but some of people here do make a huge income but revealing income here is somethign that 90 percent of people wouldnt like to do so

First, don't ever lose hope.

Stop looking at what someone else is making. Start looking at how you want to make money online.

You could do a method someone else failed miserably at and make yourself a fortune. Take a time out an really evaluate where you are and where you want to go, without comparing your situation to other people's.

Forget the $$$ figures thrown around, use your own common sense to discern what makes sense for you and what will work for you. You are unique and only you can determine what is right for you. Ignore the hype and forge your own path.

Wishing you the best and cheering you on.

Digichik

I truly appreciate this question as I was going to ask the same thing myself. If there are so many people making so much money why is it so hard for others to do so as well? I think there should be a more in depth analysis on the whole money making online situation. I am sure there are many making good money online but sadly way too many people are losing their shirt with IM. Me frankly am one of those people. The humility it takes to tell your family time and time again that this is going to work and them take you serious is a will and testament to patience and drive to succeed at IM. I didn't give up on IM but I am truly jaded by all the of the con-artists. I will say that for all the investment of time and money IM sucks (so far) more than $1000 spent money earned $0. Time spent-way too many hours to count, money earned- $0. Although I have been at it for over a year I will not give up because I have put way too much into it. For now I will slave at my 12 hour everyday graveyard shift job until things turn around. I will say this though this will be my last hoorah. Like Ghostface Killah said on OBFCL... If this sh*t here don't work I'm hanging this sh*t up. Life is too short to be stuck at a computer like a pre-pubescent teen when everybody else is claiming to make thousands a day and you are looking at your paypal like wtf. Sorry if I sound salty but words can not express the frustration and anger I have felt dealing with IM.

If there is somebody who knows a no bs straight to the point way to make money online let me know. For now I will start working on the WSO I just brought called the List Building Fire Storm. There is some good info in there but have yet to implement anything yet as working 12 hours everyday only affords a few hours to devote to something that is very tedious as IM is. When I get a full grasp of IM it will be my duty to take newcomers by the hand and show them how to make money online. Where is that guy? All these millionaires but nobody has the time to be sincere and people wonder why the world is this way. To much GREED and not enough resources.

Although I believe that people really do want to help others, I don't believe it when it is in there sales pitch for $99/month.

Don't believe everything you read....I guess we just need the ability to read ibetween the lines...Anything that's too hyped I usually won't read too much about

It's important to have realistic expectations