Article Spinning Infinity paradox

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So I keep reading about article spinning.

If this really worked and really generated 'unique' content couldnt a person take a small hadnfull of articles and generate thousands of 'unique' articles every day?

If google were fooled by this it seems like it would be way to easy to simply submit several thousand 'unique' articles daily to directories, blogs or whatever and overwhelm the serps. As much as I believe google overstates what they can and cant do I just cant imagine this works

Second forget the backlinks. If this content is truely 'unique' you could submit i to your own blogs. spread the artcles out over a hundred blogs or so and the sheer volume would soon generate enough page rank to tip the calses. Some easy page rank sculpting and homepage links would be extremely effective.

If article spinning doesnt work on this scale, then doesnt it stand to reason it doesnt work on any scale? I am not making a statement I am asking a question.

PS: please note the context of this post is spinning for seo reasons only not for quality user content.
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  • Profile picture of the author TheJustWarrior
    Originally Posted by dracoboar View Post


    PS: please note the context of this post is spinning for seo reasons only not for quality user content.
    There's no difference, its a lot of work generating reconfigured words and synonyms with buggy software. The desperate swear by it.

    I have heard this crappy software was actually responsible for the 2010 panda update
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    • Profile picture of the author dracoboar
      so I am guessing you are in the no it doesnt work on any level camp?
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      • Profile picture of the author TheJustWarrior
        Originally Posted by dracoboar View Post

        so I am guessing you are in the no it doesnt work on any level camp?
        I understand what you're asking, but any mention of spinning software makes me suspicious. It has and still foes cause havoc for ordinary content creators trying to fabricate honest content.

        The concept of it just never tasted right to me and as inferred above, I dont think it is in the best interest of "the business"

        If you cant provide a well articulated group of sentences that add up to 4 or 5 paragraphs in under 6 minutes, then spinning is what you might resort to. But original content is not much to ask for, for incredible autonomous income.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by dracoboar View Post

    If article spinning doesnt work on this scale, then doesnt it stand to reason it doesnt work on any scale?
    I follow your reasoning, I think.

    I'm honestly not sure whether it necessarily follows from that that spinning doesn't work, on any scale. But fortunately, the reality is that there are so many other reasons from which it does follow that spinning doesn't work, on any scale, that my lack of complete conviction about the one above doesn't really matter, anyway.

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  • Profile picture of the author dracoboar
    Alexa,

    always god to see you post

    Really this question has one other element tht makes the whole thing moot anyways. That question is does google limit how many copies of a piece of content it will index?

    if not then spinning really serves no purpose anyways.

    of course I am open minded and welcome differing opinions
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by dracoboar View Post

      That question is does google limit how many copies of a piece of content it will index?

      if not then spinning really serves no purpose anyways.
      Correct.

      Google does not limit how many copies it will index, and never has done: I believe that this is simply factual, and not contested by anyone (and certainly it's very difficult indeed to imagine how it could possibly be contested, when it's so easily observable and verifiable!).

      In theory, Google will index one copy in the main index and the remaining ones in the supplemental index. In practice, as we can all see, it doesn't always work out that way, because what Google's algorithms "intend to do" and what they actually "manage to do" overlap by perhaps only 80% rather than the 100% which they'd obviously prefer.

      But the link-juice of a backlink from something in the supplemental index isn't worth any less than the same backlink on the same page would be worth in the main index. It's true that technically I can't prove that, but technically I can't prove that water is wet, either. I've certainly never seen anyone assert otherwise, and clearly it would be very bizarre indeed if anyone tried to. Even people selling spinning software and spinning services, whose sales pages pretty often contain large numbers of factual misrepresentations about "duplicate content", are not alleging that (they can bamboozle some people about "duplicate content", perhaps, but not about something like that, which they'd just have no remotely plausible or sensible way of justifying or explaining)! I don't think even the members of the "Flat Earth Society" can believe that the value of the link-juice is less in one index than in the other - especially not when "which copies live where" for indexation purposes is so fluid and changeable.
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  • Profile picture of the author David Keith
    this article spinning stuff started several years back by some black hat seo guys who figured out that you got the same amount link juice from a truly unique article submitted to the article directories as you from "spun" articles.

    and since spun articles are faster and cheaper to create, they started spamming these spun articles to all the directories.

    google eventually caught up to these their tactics and has since implemented countless measure to devalue spun articles and the article directories in general.

    once the black hat method no longer worked very well, several article spinner and auto submitter software programs and guides started popping up. basically these guys knew the trick was essentially dead so they sold the idea to un-suspecting marketers who followed their advice even though the method was basically not working very well any longer.

    now fast forward a few years to today, and these black hat guys were so successful selling their "secret" that many believe that spamming articles is actually a viable marketing method. its not by the way. today those articles have so little seo value its not even worth the time it takes to create them let alone learn the methods.
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    • Profile picture of the author Azarna
      I really think a lot of people completely forget the whole point of articles.

      Sure, you want google to rank you high - but surely more important is that PEOPLE (yes, real people who use the internet) enjoy your articles and come back for more.

      And people CAN tell if all your articles are just spun and respun over and over.

      I know that I personally like to read well-written, imaginative, innovative articles, and suspect most people are the same. So pretty sure that is the best thing to deliver, google or no google.
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  • Profile picture of the author dracoboar
    OK so lets take this to its final conclusion.

    Could you not in theory then make a hundred wp blogs and syndicate the actual unique content to each one if google would idex all of the copies, then use an auto submitter like AMR as an index driver to point at your 100 blogs?

    I know this is not proper article marketing but i would like to finish out this thought
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by dracoboar View Post

      Could you not in theory then make a hundred wp blogs and syndicate the actual unique content to each one if google would idex all of the copies, then use an auto submitter like AMR as an index driver to point at your 100 blogs?
      Yes, you could.

      There are people selling "backlinking services" which do exactly this (some of them with far more than 100 blogs/sites). Some sell it as a "spinning also included" service; others not. It's all the same thing.

      Some sellers even have the chutzpah to call what they're selling an "article marketing service". :rolleyes: :p

      Exactly as Owslaw says, just above, "it would not be worth your effort".

      "Numbers of backlinks" alone count for almost nothing (as I discovered myself, over an extended period, when I used many such services, and mass-submitted my own articles to thousands of article directories, both with and without spinning ).

      Quality and relevance are what matter, for SEO.
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  • Profile picture of the author David Keith
    yes, you could do that, but the value of each of those backlinks would be so close to zero it would not be worth your effort.

    backlinks from pr-0 pages have virtually no link juice.

    its not the number of backlinks that matters, its how much weight google gives each of those backlinks.

    1 backlink from a pr 5+ site will be worth hundreds of links from pr-0 pages.

    basically quality counts a lot more than quantity.
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  • Profile picture of the author dracoboar
    really good stuff guys tyvm
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

      In theory, Google will index one copy in the main index and the remaining ones in the supplemental index. In practice, as we can all see, it doesn't always work out that way, because what Google's algorithms "intend to do" and what they actually "manage to do" overlap by perhaps only 80% rather than the 100% which they'd obviously prefer.
      From what I've observed and read from others, Google will index all copies they find and attempt to show what they believe is the most relevant one. It may be the original, indexed first on the author's site, or it may be a syndicated copy for another reason.

      Geography might be one of those reasons. Let's say I have an article on , oh, 'saltwater fishing in Florida' . It's indexed on my site in the US, and syndicated on a travel or fishing related site in Australia. Someone searching from Australia may very well be presented with the local syndicated copy above the original.

      Either way, a human reads that article, with links to where I want them to go next.
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