WSO's Not Delivering What Title Promised ;-)

by TopKat22 90 replies
I kinda have to chuckle a bit at a few WSO's listed currently and recently.

Title includes "Instant Cash". Sales copy describes how you will get "instant" cash but when contact the person about anyone who bought it getting "instant" cash answer is, "well, it can take some time." huh?

Title includes "No. 1 Ranking in You Tube" Sales copy says how they can get you No. 1 Ranking in You Tube. When contacted, person says, "I can't guarantee No. 1 Ranking in You Tube, is depends on many factors". So why didn't he say that in the sales copy.

Title inlcudes "Articles written and delivered in 24 hours" Guaranteed not spun content and written by English speaking persons. Articles ARE spun and took 5 days to deliver.

There are more, but you get the picture.

I know, this is just life on the internet. I just find it so interesting that they DON'T even TRY to deliver what is promised.

On the first contact to actually deny or say the opposite of the sales copy you just read......makes you wonder.

It makes me chuckle.

There are some sellers who write good titles and sales copy and make sure they deliver (or over deliver) on their promises too, so don't lump every person into this.

As a matter of fact, it seems like the best ones who offer real service that newbies and everyone would want are the ones that disappear more quickly in the searches. Too bad.
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  • Profile picture of the author tpw
    The secret to success is "under promise and over deliver".

    A lot of these folks were dropped on their heads as babies -- repeatedly!!

    They constantly "over promise and under deliver".
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    • Profile picture of the author JamieSEO
      Originally Posted by tpw View Post

      The secret to success is "under promise and over deliver".

      A lot of these folks were dropped on their heads as babies -- repeatedly!!

      They constantly "over promise and under deliver".
      Too many victims of the HypeMonster!
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  • Profile picture of the author browie
    I agree that the titles may get out of hand but as long as the titles don't lie.

    Take your #1 rankings on google and youtube part. Now if they say GUARANTEE then yes I don't like that but they have proof of #1 with a long tail keyword then you just have to know that it's long tail and there probably isn't much competition.

    In mine I said $X,XXX in 15min. of work. It's true it only took me 15min. of work but how many fails did I have? a few. So for that one it's true but 15min. of work could mean a loss of $10.
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  • Profile picture of the author Raydal
    I look at advertising like courting--you're putting your best foot forward.

    I doubt there is one lover who kept the high and idealistic promises
    he made pre-marriage. Reality is always a little less ideal than
    "you're every breath that I take".

    While you should not deceive the prospect you must understand
    the language to be idealistic rather than plain.

    Also look out for those "may" statements that prospect often
    read as "will" or "can" statements. Such as:

    "If you put off ordering right now you're taking a big risk
    because the price may double by tomorrow."

    -Ray Edwards
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    • Profile picture of the author tpw
      Originally Posted by Raydal View Post

      I look at advertising like courting--you're putting your best foot forward.

      I doubt there is one lover who kept the high and idealistic promises
      he made pre-marriage. Reality is always a little less ideal than
      "you're every breath that I take".

      Good analogy.

      Before I married, I told my wife that I would make her laugh every day.

      But my jokes are stale now after ten years. :p
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      • Profile picture of the author Raydal
        Originally Posted by tpw View Post

        Good analogy.

        Before I married, I told my wife that I would make her laugh every day.

        But my jokes are stale now after ten years. :p
        LOL. Already at that stage huh? When you start repeating the
        same stories and your spouse has to listen like it was the first
        time she heard it you know that you've been married long.

        Tell her that men that are bald at the front are thinkers and those
        who bald at the back are romantic. Those who are bald all over
        think that they are romantic. (Just trying to help you out.)

        -Ray Edwards
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      • Profile picture of the author RobHiness
        Originally Posted by tpw View Post

        Good analogy.

        Before I married, I told my wife that I would make her laugh every day.

        But my jokes are stale now after ten years. :p
        Seems like you still got it to me LOL.

        Like You said earlier the secret is "Under Promise, Over Deliver"

        I've also seen some titles such as "Make A Million Dollars In A Week" and delivered one of the best e-books I've read in a very long time.

        That gave me a Chuckle as well.
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      • Profile picture of the author theimdude
        Originally Posted by tpw View Post

        Good analogy.

        Before I married, I told my wife that I would make her laugh every day.

        But my jokes are stale now after ten years. :p
        Read her some WSO titles.
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      • Profile picture of the author Multimedianaire
        Originally Posted by tpw View Post

        Good analogy.

        Before I married, I told my wife that I would make her laugh every day.

        But my jokes are stale now after ten years. :p
        I went the other way ... I told my wife she would have a hard time keeping me in the manner to which I had become accustomed.

        She thought I was joking when I said that almost 20 years ago. I was a musician at the time, then about 6 years ago I made things even worse by declaring that I was going to become a full time internet marketer
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  • Profile picture of the author TopKat22
    Yes, I can see what you guys mean. Being primarily for years in offline businesses where false advertising or even misleading a prospect in print ad is against the law, I have a bit of a different take on it.

    With everything moving online, some day, there may be as strict of guidelines and laws for online promotion as offline.

    The thing that MOST made me chuckle about these is the person DIDN'T even try to hide it.

    One second they are posting the WSO, contact them, and immediately they had a different story. Huh? I said to myself.

    I just read what you just posted and now you say it can't happen. How about saying that I made "instant cash" after 2 years of setting it up or put an asterick by it and in the footnotes say *we had much more set up ahead of time.
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      Originally Posted by TopKat22 View Post

      How about saying that I made "instant cash" after 2 years of setting it up
      "It takes twenty years of hard work to become an overnight success" (Diana Rankin).
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  • Profile picture of the author tpw
    The trouble with deceptive advertising on the Internet is that not all sellers must abide by U.S. law.
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    • Profile picture of the author kindsvater
      Originally Posted by tpw View Post

      The trouble with deceptive advertising on the Internet is that not all sellers must abide by U.S. law.
      But all WSO sellers must comply.

      It is Rule #1:

      "1. All WSOs Must Comply With Forum Rules, US Laws, and the Laws of Your Location."



      And if you sell outside the WF to US consumers you should assume you also need to comply with US law. The US government has no problem suing people from around the world in US federal court when US consumers are harmed.

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  • Profile picture of the author TopKat22
    LOL LOL LOL

    I just think this is funny.

    On one of those WSO's I mentioned above where the guy promises "instant cash" in the title and in the sales copy...

    apparently some people are asking for refunds (I'm not surprised)

    and he responded

    "I don't understand people that ask for refunds or are disappointed that they don't make $1000's of dollars by just opening the WSO. Of course you have to put in work and of course you have to do it without someone holding your hand the entire way.

    This has some really great info and if you choose not to use it or feel that it is too much work for you, I feel sorry for you. Even if you don't follow this method exactly, I can guarantee it will help open your mind and perhaps give you your own ideas for future entrepreneurial endeavours. Who knows when you will use info you have learnt here?

    If it was a crappy affiliate link scam ok ask for a refund, but if you don't make money this time off this WSO but learn something valuable in the process, isn't that worth more than a measly $10? Money isn't the only valuable thing you can have"

    OMG, he promises instant cash, obviously people DON'T make instant cash and then ask for refunds and then he tells them that the real value is "learn something in the process" and "Money isn't the only valuable thing you can have".

    Yeah DUDE, but that is not what you promoted. You didn't promote "learning something" and "there is more to life than money".

    You promoted "instant cash".

    DUH!!! No wonder people are asking for refunds.

    LOL LOL LOL

    It makes it even funnier to me that he doesn't get it and is blaming the clients.

    Edit: I posted that it was the seller that posted the above statement and I was mistaken. It was a purchaser, which changes this post totally.
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    • Profile picture of the author TiffLee
      Originally Posted by TopKat22 View Post

      LOL LOL LOL

      I just think this is funny.

      On one of those WSO's I mentioned above where the guy promises "instant cash" in the title and in the sales copy...

      apparently some people are asking for refunds (I'm not surprised)

      and he responded

      "I don't understand people that ask for refunds or are disappointed that they don't make $1000's of dollars by just opening the WSO. Of course you have to put in work and of course you have to do it without someone holding your hand the entire way.

      This has some really great info and if you choose not to use it or feel that it is too much work for you, I feel sorry for you. Even if you don't follow this method exactly, I can guarantee it will help open your mind and perhaps give you your own ideas for future entrepreneurial endeavours. Who knows when you will use info you have learnt here?

      If it was a crappy affiliate link scam ok ask for a refund, but if you don't make money this time off this WSO but learn something valuable in the process, isn't that worth more than a measly $10? Money isn't the only valuable thing you can have"


      OMG, he promises instant cash, obviously people DON'T make instant cash and then ask for refunds and then he tells them that the real value is "learn something in the process" and "Money isn't the only valuable thing you can have".

      Yeah DUDE, but that is not what you promoted. You didn't promote "learning something" and "there is more to life than money".

      You promoted "instant cash".

      DUH!!! No wonder people are asking for refunds.

      LOL LOL LOL

      It makes it even funnier to me that he doesn't get it and is blaming the clients.
      I just looked at the WSO thread you are talking about.

      ... I think it is important to mention that the quote you just put here is not from the creator of the product. It was from a member who joined in November of 2011, has exactly zero posts to his name, and explicitly said that he purchased (ie., not created) the product on the second page of the thread.

      Just didn't think it was fair to dump on a WSO when the response you mentioned was from a purchaser ... which makes everything quoted above be out of context.
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      • Profile picture of the author TopKat22
        Originally Posted by PPC-Coach View Post

        I totally agree that most of the titles in there are complete b.s. No arguement here. But look at the reason people do that.

        "Instant Cash :: 24/7 Cash Machine :: 2 Minute Setup!"

        versus:

        "Get Ready To WORK, Long Hard Hours and You MIGHT Succeed At This"

        Which one would the typical WSO buyer buy?

        Those ridiculous claims in the titles and WSO's exist because that's what the market wants. The market is just as much to blame as the person who lied in their title. Even when you literally yell into someones ear that it's not THAT easy and you have to work, they don't believe it and still try to find that every elusive, (and non-existent), magic pill.
        I understand the thing about the "hype headline" but there are some WSO's that have good headlines and yet still tell the truth and deliver what they promise.


        Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

        "It takes twenty years of hard work to become an overnight success" (Diana Rankin).
        So true, every time I hear someone say, "They were an overnight success", I think yeah, after 20 years of working at it.

        Originally Posted by TiffLee View Post

        Hi Jim(?)

        Please don't take my reply as defending what is going on in the WSO section, because I certainly do not.

        ... just felt that my reply was necessary as the thread he mentioned was being misrepresented due to his misquote (or lack of specifying that it was indeed a purchaser of the product, not the creator).
        I agree and I am so sorry that I mis-read that. I will correct that now. It makes not as funny, now. ;-)

        Originally Posted by TiffLee View Post

        I just looked at the WSO thread you are talking about.

        ... I think it is important to mention that the quote you just put here is not from the creator of the product. It was from a member who joined in November of 2011, has exactly zero posts to his name, and explicitly said that he purchased (ie., not created) the product on the second page of the thread.

        Just didn't think it was fair to dump on a WSO when the response you mentioned was from a purchaser ... which makes everything quoted above be out of context.
        I agree, it is important to mention. I will edit that post.

        I'm not wanting to dog any one WSO. That is why I just posted a few titles and didn't mention anyone.
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        Once a while back I read some advice in this forum about waiting a few weeks before buying a WSO to see if it works and if there are any refunds and I have found that to be really great advice.

        If a headline interests me, I subscribe to a WSO thread and watch it, if in a few days you start getting people posting problems with customer service, wanting refunds etc., then you know not to buy it at any price.
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      Originally Posted by TopKat22 View Post

      If it was a crappy affiliate link scam ok ask for a refund, but if you don't make money this time off this WSO but learn something valuable in the process, isn't that worth more than a measly $10? Money isn't the only valuable thing you can have"
      You have to admit, it was instant cash for him lol
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  • Profile picture of the author Samrath Gupta
    I agree with you !! They make a salespage like there's no best product then their's and when one buys it... It feels like Crap !! I wasted my xx dollars !

    Very less WSO's deliver what they promise !
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  • Profile picture of the author sloanjim
    Ridiculous....so it's fine to "deceive, stretch the truth, etc" but as long as you don't lie...in the real world a lie is a lie...I.M. isn't the real world!

    I agree that the titles may get out of hand but as long as the titles don't lie.
    So how does this fit into the I.M rules..ok? As it's only a "little lie"?

    Title includes "Instant Cash". Sales copy describes how you will get "instant" cash but when contact the person about anyone who bought it getting "instant" cash answer is, "well, it can take some time." huh?
    Many people have been blinded online....99% of it is junk and stretched truth. But it seems it's fine. Switch the Net off and go in the real world for a month or two to gain some reality.
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  • Profile picture of the author sloanjim
    I've heard on other sites the F.T.C. are looking hard at the W.S.O.'s page..not sure how much truth there is there but would not suprise me. It's been a gravy train for far too long and it's getting MUCH worse. WSo's about creating WSO's you know the game is almost over.

    I agree with you !! They make a salespage like there's no best product then their's and when one buys it... It feels like Crap !! I wasted my xx dollars !

    Very less WSO's deliver what they promise !
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  • Profile picture of the author sloanjim
    hmmm.ok maybe that's the truth in this case but that's no excuse for what's going on there in majority for the past 4+ years...Thousands of them.

    I just looked at the WSO thread you are talking about.

    ... I think it is important to mention that the quote you just put here is not from the creator of the product. It was from a member who joined in November of 2011, has exactly zero posts to his name, and explicitly said that he purchased (ie., not created) the product on the second page of the thread.

    Just didn't think it was fair to dump on a WSO when the response you mentioned was from a purchaser ... which makes everything quoted above be out of context.
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    • Profile picture of the author TiffLee
      Originally Posted by sloanjim View Post

      hmmm.ok maybe that's the truth in this case but that's no excuse for what's going on there in majority for the past 4+ years...Thousands of them.
      Hi Jim(?)

      Please don't take my reply as defending what is going on in the WSO section, because I certainly do not.

      ... just felt that my reply was necessary as the thread he mentioned was being misrepresented due to his misquote (or lack of specifying that it was indeed a purchaser of the product, not the creator).
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  • Profile picture of the author Andrew Wilson
    I think that we are seeing a 'new breed' of WSOs.
    Offers that are not genuine in one way or another.
    Offers that are not special to Warrior Forum.
    Offers selling crippled software unless we buy a VIP upgrade (OTO).

    And yes, purposefully misleading selling copy.

    It is not good enough to say 'well, it its the internet', or 'its just marketing' or even, 'well it is legal in MY country'.

    We should know when something is dishonest and we as forum readers should be able to point out when offers are bogus in one way or another. To be honest, it should be that telling the vendor that something is awry is seen as helping but that seems not to be the case.

    A while back, much of the time, WSOs were kinda like beta marketing events. An opportunity to shake out the flaws, make sure the copy was working right, fine tune the claims. Marketers were able to learn their skills, but not now it seems.

    These days, particularly with the changes in the manner in which WSOs can be promoted the WSO forum is very often the only place that an offer will ever appear and that is not a universal asset.
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  • Profile picture of the author sloanjim
    yeah about the same time big gurus were selling newbies course on how to create "big profit WSO's"

    I got so jaded in that section I do not bother any more.

    I think that we are seeing a 'new breed' of WSOs.
    Offers that are not genuine in one way or another.
    Offers that are not special to Warrior Forum.
    Offers selling crippled software unless we buy a VIP upgrade (OTO).
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  • Profile picture of the author PPC-Coach
    I totally agree that most of the titles in there are complete b.s. No arguement here. But look at the reason people do that.

    "Instant Cash :: 24/7 Cash Machine :: 2 Minute Setup!"

    versus:

    "Get Ready To WORK, Long Hard Hours and You MIGHT Succeed At This"

    Which one would the typical WSO buyer buy?

    Those ridiculous claims in the titles and WSO's exist because that's what the market wants. The market is just as much to blame as the person who lied in their title. Even when you literally yell into someones ear that it's not THAT easy and you have to work, they don't believe it and still try to find that every elusive, (and non-existent), magic pill.
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    • Profile picture of the author Andrew Wilson
      Originally Posted by PPC-Coach View Post

      Even when you literally yell into someones ear that it's not THAT easy and you have to work, they don't believe it and still try to find that every elusive, (and non-existent), magic pill.
      Sadly there is some truth to this.

      The IM/Make Money Online/Magic Beans industry is filled with people new to our business and new to business in general. There is, seemingly, a never ending supply of sheep for the shearing and so we have a cadre of 'marketers' who have grown up with no other business influence than 'shear the sheeple and round up some new ones tomorrow'.

      I think it was the bloke who used to sell cars, I can't remember his name, who did some kind of survey that suggested that 95% of folks who start as 'internet marketers' in January of any year would not be doing so the next January. Very similar to MLM and a very similar selling proposition.
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    Yup the IM niche is definitely an interesting one.

    On the one hand, the stuff that has $500K launch days is the very hyped up, make tons of money with very little effort kind of stuff.

    But then you come into a forum and talk about stuff and remember that it does take hard work.

    Ahh, the irony of IM.
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      Originally Posted by Justin Stowe View Post


      But then you come into a forum and talk about stuff and remember that it does take hard work.

      Ahh, the irony of IM.
      The thing is though, that, done right, there are probably few fields of endeavour where a good living can be made with, over an extended period, quite a small amount of work.

      I do what I do because I love it. I also love that when I needed to take several months away from the business I could do so and when I want to take an extended vacation I can also do so.

      But the downside is that even on 'downtime' I still take a little time out each day to make sure the plates are still spinning.
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      • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
        With everything moving online, some day, there may be as strict of guidelines and laws for online promotion as offline.
        The laws for offline apply online, too. The only issue that's somewhat different is the location of the advertiser and the ad. You don't see a whole lot of run-of-the-mill bookstores in Germany advertising in Canadian newspapers, for example.

        My personal recommendation is to ignore any and all promises of specific results unless they come with a credible guarantee from someone you have good reason to believe will honor it.

        For the most part, you're just much better off believing no promises of specific results at all.

        On the original point: If you see someone advertising a "promise" like the OP describes, and then backpedalling on it in the copy, report it.

        If it says "I did thus and such" and then clarifies that you probably won't get the same results, I have no problem with that if the "I did" part is true. If it suggests you're going to get XYZ results, and then points out after questioning that you probably won't, that's a whole other issue.


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        • Profile picture of the author TopKat22
          Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

          The laws for offline apply online, too. The only issue that's somewhat different is the location of the advertiser and the ad. You don't see a whole lot of run-of-the-mill bookstores in Germany advertising in Canadian newspapers, for example.

          My personal recommendation is to ignore any and all promises of specific results unless they come with a credible guarantee from someone you have good reason to believe will honor it.

          For the most part, you're just much better off believing no promises of specific results at all.

          On the original point: If you see someone advertising a "promise" like the OP describes, and then backpedalling on it in the copy, report it.

          If it says "I did thus and such" and then clarifies that you probably won't get the same results, I have no problem with that if the "I did" part is true. If it suggests you're going to get XYZ results, and then points out after questioning that you probably won't, that's a whole other issue.


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          There is a WSO up that has Guaranteed Sales in the title and then in the first paragraph again, guaranteed sales...reading down the sales letter, it says something about how well you work and then at the very end, it says something about "dependent on your abilility to drive traffic".

          So is that really a quarantee then.

          It makes me think, wouldn't just about ANY campaign do well if you work at it and can drive enough taffic to it!!!!!

          I actually commend this guy on adding that it will take work and traffic however, but then why gaurantee sales?
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          • Profile picture of the author tpw
            Originally Posted by TopKat22 View Post

            I actually commend this guy on adding that it will take work and traffic however, but then why gaurantee sales?

            Why indeed? LOL

            To attract more shiny magic button buyers of course. :rolleyes:
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  • Profile picture of the author HonestAffiliate
    I don't think WSO or online ads are much different from offline.
    Both promise to customers something they 1) desire or 2)need.

    As it is far more difficult to compete in markets where people
    need the products (food,clothing,..) which are usually taken by
    big and efficient companies, you will find much more advertising
    promising customers fullfilment of what their desire (and often
    by buying what they need/not need).

    The line of what is achievable on internet is however more blurred
    as everyone thinks you can just log on computer and the money
    starts pouring from your desktop.
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    • Profile picture of the author TopKat22
      Originally Posted by tpw View Post

      Why indeed? LOL

      To attract more shiny magic button buyers of course. :rolleyes:
      Yes, all the shiny magic button buyers....then the experienced people wonder why the newbies think that they can start in IM and make a ton of money while doing nothing. Afterall, all the headlines say you can.

      Originally Posted by HonestAffiliate View Post

      I don't think WSO or online ads are much different from offline.
      Both promise to customers something they 1) desire or 2)need.

      As it is far more difficult to compete in markets where people
      need the products (food,clothing,..) which are usually taken by
      big and efficient companies, you will find much more advertising
      promising customers fullfilment of what their desire (and often
      by buying what they need/not need).

      The line of what is achievable on internet is however more blurred
      as everyone thinks you can just log on computer and the money
      starts pouring from your desktop.
      Online headlines and promises are very different to me, at least in the US.

      Offline, if you cannot PROVE that what you are saying is fact or cannot prove the promises you are making, then you are breaking the law and the conseguences are serious.
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    Have we made it a week without someone starting a thread complaining about WSO's?

    Advertising not delivering what was promised. Shocking.

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      Originally Posted by Alan Petersen View Post

      Have we made it a week without someone starting a thread complaining about WSO's?

      Advertising not delivering what was promised. Shocking.

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  • Profile picture of the author Lori Kelly
    The same thing happens in everyday life. It's not just WSOs or on the internet.

    Brings to mind the Madoff ponzi scheme. Some of his victims were extremely intelligent. Had they done their own due diligence - a whistle blower was blowing a whistle for many years - maybe they could have taken their greed glasses off long enough to realize the simple "if it sounds too good to be true" adage.

    Caveat emptor.
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    • Profile picture of the author tpw
      Originally Posted by Clark Rockefeller View Post

      People say "you get what you pay for," which is a sorry excuse. If a person makes a promise as to what their product is supposed to do, they're supposed to live up to it. I don't care if a person paid one cent, if the product makes any promises or guarantees, it should deliver. Far too many people make excuses for creators of weak products by saying that the buyer shouldn't expect quality for a low price. That shows me the mindset of most people on here. It's not about the price, its about not living up to the claims made.

      Keep in mind that there are hundreds of WSO sellers and thousands of WSO buyers, in a community of hundreds of thousands of people.

      No paintbrush assumptions about the WSO sellers and buyers should in turn be applied to the entire Warrior Forum community.
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      Clark,

      I agree with the majority of your post. One thing, though...
      That shows me the mindset of most people on here.
      Most?

      I'm curious about a person who's been here two days and believes they have a handle on the thinking of the majority of the other members. One tends to think you've been around longer and just signed up. Or signed up again.

      At any rate, it's a good idea to remember that the loudest people do not always make up the majority of any group.


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      • Profile picture of the author Andrew Wilson
        Hmm... yes and no about the two days and the 'most'

        It does not take too long to see the standard of acceptable behaviour within this culture.
        While 'most' of us might not agree with much of what goes on on the WSO forum we all in the quiet/silent majority contribute to the state of affairs that exists on the WSO forum by our acquiescence.

        Every time we see a dishonest sales post, every time we see weasel words being used, each time we let vendors get away with substandard service, every time we buy a shonky product or service and do not ask for our money back then we accept that what is happening is OK, is acceptable.

        The WSO forum is a training ground for the rising generation of sheep shearers and we, as forum members and product or service buyers are not doing a good job of training future representatives of our little industry niche.




        Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

        Clark,

        I agree with the majority of your post. One thing, though...Most?

        I'm curious about a person who's been here two days and believes they have a handle on the thinking of the majority of the other members. One tends to think you've been around longer and just signed up. Or signed up again.

        At any rate, it's a good idea to remember that the loudest people do not always make up the majority of any group.


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  • Profile picture of the author Marhelper
    WSO's Not Delivering What Title Promised ;-)



    I got sucked in by the title of the thread then saw your actual post. Yeah, I would est. 95% or more do not deliver but the saddest part is that the 5% that do deliver and are really worth the money, only 1% will do something with it.
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  • Profile picture of the author nicelife
    Every time I read a sales copy, especially when it's IM related, there's one question popping up in my head:

    If it's so damn good, why the **** are you telling the whole world about it?

    It pops up every time ......
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        Clark,
        Lurking the forums as a non-registered user and reading enough threads over the past couple of days have shown me a lot.
        Well, it's given you impressions of the people and the place, to be sure. I'd caution against letting first impressions get too much of a foothold, though.

        There's a lot more to the people here than you might see in a few days.


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  • Profile picture of the author jamesrich1
    Boy do I agree with you on this post. I wish all of the junk wso's could be eliminated from the forum. What kills me is the wso's making income claims like make 100 in a day. You look through the thread to see reviews and people make up reviews like, "I think this is a great plan and will work for anybody."

    The whole time every body is thinking did you make any money? That is all I want to see is if anybody had success.
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    • Profile picture of the author tpw
      Originally Posted by jamesrich1 View Post

      Boy do I agree with you on this post. I wish all of the junk wso's could be eliminated from the forum. What kills me is the wso's making income claims like make 100 in a day. You look through the thread to see reviews and people make up reviews like, "I think this is a great plan and will work for anybody."

      The whole time every body is thinking did you make any money? That is all I want to see is if anybody had success.

      I recently put out a wso that described the system I used to make $100k a year.

      I thought I had done well with the system. LOL

      One of the people who bought the package has reported that he has generated $51k in sales in two weeks!!

      Yet, most of the people who bought the product read it, said it was nice, and never lifted a finger to put it to work for themselves.

      Does "the inaction of the majority" define the potential of the offer, OR do "those who implement what they have learned" define the potential of the offer???
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      • Profile picture of the author jamesrich1
        I tip my hat to you that you created success in a persons life. My point is that the people who don't implement it should not leave reviews that add no substance. What good is saying, its a great system, for a person searching through 100s of WSO's to make a decision of what direction they will take? For the struggling marketer its so many choices and real reviews with real experiences are such a great help. I am sticking to the methods in my latest wso course no matter what. I have reached my limit as struggling marketer. I will not waiver anymore and buy the next shiny thing like 95% of what marketers do.

        Originally Posted by tpw View Post

        I recently put out a wso that described the system I used to make $100k a year.

        I thought I had done well with the system. LOL

        One of the people who bought the package has reported that he has generated $51k in sales in two weeks!!

        Yet, most of the people who bought the product read it, said it was nice, and never lifted a finger to put it to work for themselves.

        Does "the inaction of the majority" define the potential of the offer, OR do "those who implement what they have learned" define the potential of the offer???
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    • Profile picture of the author Bill Farnham
      HEAVEN AND HELL

      While walking down the street one day an Internet Marketer was tragically hit by a car and died.

      His soul arrives in heaven and is met by St. Peter at the entrance. "Welcome to heaven," says St. Peter.
      "Before you settle in, it seems there is a problem. We seldom see Internet Marketers around these
      parts, you see, so we're not sure what to do with you."

      "No problem, just let me in," says the Marketer.

      "Well, I'd like to, but I have orders from the higher ups. What we'll do is have you spend one day
      in hell and one in heaven. Then you can choose where to spend eternity."

      "Really?, I've made up my mind. I want to be in heaven," says the Marketer.

      "I'm sorry, but we have our rules."

      And with that, St. Peter escorts him to the elevator and he goes down, down, down to hell.

      The doors open and he finds himself in the middle of a green golf course. In the distance is a
      clubhouse and standing in front of it are all his friends and other marketers who had JV'd with him.

      Everyone is very happy and in evening dress.. They run to greet him, shake his hand, and
      reminisce about the good times they had while getting rich at the expense of other people.

      They played a friendly game of golf and then dine on lobster, caviar and the finest champagne.
      Also present is the devil, who really is a very friendly guy who is having a good time dancing
      and telling jokes.

      They are all having such a good time that before the Marketer realizes it, it is time to go.

      Everyone gives him a hearty farewell and waves while the elevator rises. The elevator goes up,
      up, up and the door reopens in heaven where St. Peter is waiting for him, "Now it's time to
      visit heaven...”

      So, 24 hours passed with the Marketer joining a group of contented souls moving from cloud
      to cloud, playing the harp and singing. They have a good time and, before he realizes it, the
      24 hours have gone by and St. Peter returns.

      "Well, then, you've spent a day in hell and another in heaven. Now choose your eternity."

      The Marketer reflects for a minute, then he answers: "Well, I would never have said it before,
      I mean heaven has been delightful, but I think I would be better off in hell."

      So St. Peter escorts him to the elevator and he goes down, down, down to hell...

      Now the doors of the elevator open and he's in the middle of a barren land covered with waste
      and garbage. He sees all his friends, dressed in rags, picking up the trash and putting it in black
      bags as more trash falls from above.

      The devil comes over to him and puts his arm around his shoulders.

      "I don't understand," stammers the Marketer. "Yesterday I was here and there was a golf course
      and clubhouse, and we ate lobster and caviar, drank champagne, and danced and had a great time.
      Now there's just a wasteland full of garbage and my friends look miserable. What happened?"

      The devil smiles at him and says, "Yesterday we were running an advertising campaign.
      Today, you took delivery of the product."


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  • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
    Originally Posted by TopKat22 View Post

    I know, this is just life on the internet.
    But it shouldnt be.

    These clowns should be stopped. All of them. Period.

    Its total BS.
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  • Profile picture of the author Osman_M
    I can't agree with the notion of under promising and over delivering. Just see what happens when you charge someone for a product and the first email after they receive there product, send um something for free. Don't mention this free gift anywhere in the sales letter and it will do wonders as far as relationship building goes.
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  • Profile picture of the author tpw
    I sense the liberal use of the following in this thread:


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  • Profile picture of the author paulie123
    Should anyone be surprised. When an Internet marketer is bringing a product to market, copywriting advice tells them that the headline is the most important part of the sales letter and the emotion it creates. Make the reader lose all objectivity by promising this and that...who cares if there is any truth behind it. I am not saying we are all part of this hypocrisy, what I am saying is no one is pushing for a new, better standard! In this country it is all about the marketing, and the headline leads this parade.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      no one is pushing for a new, better standard!
      I think some are. Plenty of legal/regulatory agencies, for a start. Understandably. And many of us welcome that. But some marketers and some copywriters are, too, actually.

      Originally Posted by paulie123 View Post

      In this country it is all about the marketing.
      Which country are you in, Paulie? :confused:
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      • Profile picture of the author TopKat22
        I think a lot of people offering WSO's where they DO deliver what they promise would welcome better guidelines, that way the good ones don't get lumped in with the others and harm their own success and reputations.
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      • Profile picture of the author Steve B
        Yea,

        I got a real chuckle out of a recent ad here on the forum by an experienced marketer selling a PLR product . . . that anyone could purchase and resell . . . and "dominate the weight loss niche!"

        Oh really?

        Let's see, Weight Watchers, Jenny Craig, Nutrisystem, SlimFast, Sensa and about a million others are trying to dominate this niche with their multi-million dollar advertising budgets and none that I know of have been successful with what I would call "domination" in weight loss.

        But with a cheap PLR product, I'm going to be able to be the dominant force.

        Maybe Seth Goodin was right . . . All Marketers are Liars (good read, btw)

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      • Profile picture of the author mojojuju
        "There's nothing wrong with those WSOs; You're just not TAKING ACTION." :p
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  • Profile picture of the author celente
    you see lots of people whine because they buy all the WSO's under the sun and think

    1) WOW sounds good, but Im not gunna try that sheeet.

    2) Ok, fella its on to buy the next WSO.

    3) Go back and repeat step 1 and 2 again.

    This is the vicious cycle of a WSO buyer.
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  • Profile picture of the author TopKat22
    I'm sure people whine about WSO's however, this is about the product not delivering what is promised in the title and sales copy.

    There are also WSO's that do deliver what they promise and those are the ones more people should emulate.
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    • Profile picture of the author J Bold
      Originally Posted by TopKat22 View Post

      I'm sure people whine about WSO's however, this is about the product not delivering what is promised in the title and sales copy.

      There are also WSO's that do deliver what they promise and those are the ones more people should emulate.
      The problem is, you want it to be true that you can instant cash just for buying a WSO, no?

      Of course it's not true, you have to do something.

      I'm not making any comment on that particular WSO, perhaps it's not "instant" even if you follow it.

      However, if any WSO is promising you money, it CANNOT deliver on this promise.

      Why?

      Because YOU actually have to do something to make that money.

      I think people complain because they so want it to be true, that they can get rich for doing basically nothing. But obviously it's not true.

      I think it says as much about the buyers who buy on a promise that can't be delivered as the seller.

      Not defending if somebody blatantly lies in sales copy but there's also a lot of gray area.

      I have seen some pretty horrible WSOs that in no way shape or form could deliver on the promises, I agree.

      But in my mind, I'm past that and the sooner others get past it the better off they'll be, because they'll quit playing the victim and actually step up and work for their success.
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  • Profile picture of the author AndrewStark
    Given the fact that people leave feedback on WSO it soon becomes clear who to trust and who not to trust. Also if the price was increased to $100 to list then the crap offers would soon vanish quickly when the chance of making a profit decreases.

    A good shake-up and stricter enforcement of the rules would probably benefit everyone.
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  • Profile picture of the author trytolearnmore
    Gee... people lying in the IM business - what a shocker Honesty is hard to sell, especially since the freaking "american dream" is floating in everyone's head.
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  • Profile picture of the author biswajit2040
    I also agree that a lot of BS flying around here.Bad thing is that nobody calls a bluff in the seller's face fearing he might be counter-trolled or something.(Or plain I do not give a *uck)
    At least,in "so-called" black hat forums,senior guys troll/abuse by passing sarcastic/rude comments to aggressive marketeers.Hope,we will see more sanity here in future.
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  • Profile picture of the author sal64
    This thread is a perfect example of why it gets frustrating on here...

    Any thread with an inch of useful, real info that can change your outcomes sinks like the Titanic within hours.

    Yet start a WSO thread and everything wrong about them and it goes from 0 -60 posts in record speed.

    Bluntly: Why do people worry about what other people are doing?

    Don't buy - simple.
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    • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
      Originally Posted by sal64 View Post

      Any product with an inch of useful, real info that can change your outcomes sinks like the Titanic within hours.

      Yet start a WSO that promises lots of instant automatic cash without work or effort and it goes from 0 -60 sales in record speed.
      Fixed that for you.

      I put up with a lot of crap from people who say I don't make enough money and remind me at every turn that lots of people who aren't as smart or as good as I am are making a lot more.

      All I have to do is be full of crap. What's the big deal? Everybody does it.

      I don't knock a man's hustle. If a man makes lots of money being full of crap, more power to him. But that doesn't mean I have to do it.

      Sooner or later you have to decide whether you care more about your customers or your wallet. One of them will care back.
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      • Profile picture of the author sal64
        I hear you brother... and agree.

        I was referring to the nature of the thread. It's been done to death so unless someone can offer that magic solution, or Admin decide to shake things up, it's all a waste of time.

        My main point is that if people spent precious time on money-making activities and less on creating these threads... we'd all be better off.

        And I agree with your 2nd comment about relying on page 1 for results. My WSO's go on selling without bumps and often turn from $10 to $200 based on my system. But that's just one old man's opinion.

        Sal

        Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

        Fixed that for you.

        I put up with a lot of crap from people who say I don't make enough money and remind me at every turn that lots of people who aren't as smart or as good as I am are making a lot more.

        All I have to do is be full of crap. What's the big deal? Everybody does it.

        I don't knock a man's hustle. If a man makes lots of money being full of crap, more power to him. But that doesn't mean I have to do it.

        Sooner or later you have to decide whether you care more about your customers or your wallet. One of them will care back.
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          Originally Posted by sal64 View Post

          But that's just one old man's opinion.
          It's interesting how frequently the old men quietly agree with one another while the young men stomp around screaming about who's really right.
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          • Profile picture of the author TopKat22
            Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

            It's interesting how frequently the old men quietly agree with one another while the young men stomp around screaming about who's really right.
            That is funny, how we mellow with age.
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          • Profile picture of the author sal64
            Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

            It's interesting how frequently the old men quietly agree with one another while the young men stomp around screaming about who's really right.
            When I was young, I would always tell me dad that he knew nothing because he was sooo old fashioned.

            The hardest part these days is to admit that the old coot was right. Especially when it comes to parenting matters.
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              Originally Posted by sal64 View Post

              When I was young, I would always tell me dad that he knew nothing because he was sooo old fashioned.

              The hardest part these days is to admit that the old coot was right. Especially when it comes to parenting matters.
              I know. It is amazing how much smarter your parents get the older you are.
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          • Profile picture of the author ShayB
            Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

            It's interesting how frequently the old men quietly agree with one another while the young men stomp around screaming about who's really right.
            The old women do the same... :rolleyes:
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            • Profile picture of the author sal64
              Agree...

              Originally Posted by tryinhere View Post

              And that would half the bull crap right there in a way, so many people all you ever hear is money, make money, show me the money, how can i make money, money for jam.

              Yet hardly anyone steps back and says what skills do i need to aquire to further improve my ability to make money ?

              The ebook says i can make money but before that it says I have to do this and that ? what me work or improve ? no way i just want the money part.

              Maybe if people looked at a e book as a way to improve skills or knowledge and not put the money first, then in its application they may indeed earn some more money as a result of increased knowledge and ability.

              bloody cowboys
              Agree again... But it's easier to blame the product, isn't it?

              People want the quick results, so others cater to that desire... knowing full well that it isn't reality... because reality doesn't sell.

              Too many bending over waiting to get pantsed... with a bullseye on their shorts... then crying when they get thrown a bone - so to speak.

              Originally Posted by David Keith View Post

              you sound like one of those old coots sal64 was just talking about.

              in truth, i am a young guy, but i have been doing this IM thing longer than most of the old guys around here, and i totally agree with what you are saying.

              i think the biggest thing these newbies and longtime IM students need to learn is "why money actually changes hands"

              i dont think most of them actually understand what factors go into a person actually doing something that warrants being compensated for.

              most of them are looking to exploit some loophole... not add value.
              Yes, but we guys have work sheds loaded with awesome power tools and gadgets.

              Originally Posted by ShayRockhold View Post

              The old women do the same... :rolleyes:
              And finally...

              Telling someone to take action is lame advice. It's about taking the right action. It's about understanding what you can do and what you need to improve.

              Rule #1: Know thyself

              Rule #2: Everything else follows.
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    • Originally Posted by sal64 View Post


      Bluntly: Why do people worry about what other people are doing?

      Don't buy - simple.
      Actually the recent run of crap WSOs is a BIG DEAL for other wso sellers. Why? Because more WSOs in the system means that legitimate WSOs
      get pushed off of page 1 faster. (then the wso seller has to pay a $40 fee to get his wso bumped back to page 1) Nowadays a seller is lucky if his WSO sticks on page 1 for half or three quarters of a day.
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      • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
        Originally Posted by Your Brand Ebooks View Post

        Nowadays a seller is lucky if his WSO sticks on page 1 for half or three quarters of a day.
        This is precisely what is wrong with most people running WSOs.

        You do not want to be on page 1.

        You want to put your WSO in front of targeted traffic.

        Last year, the best way to do this was to get your WSO on page 1. Today, there are lots of ways to do this. Get creative. I've been saying for over a year that "active forum posting + sig link = bump" according to my sales stats. And posting on the forum doesn't cost me $40.
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        • Profile picture of the author TopKat22
          Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post


          If a man makes lots of money being full of crap, more power to him. But that doesn't mean I have to do it.

          Sooner or later you have to decide whether you care more about your customers or your wallet. One of them will care back.
          Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

          This is precisely what is wrong with most people running WSOs.

          You do not want to be on page 1.

          You want to put your WSO in front of targeted traffic.

          Last year, the best way to do this was to get your WSO on page 1. Today, there are lots of ways to do this. Get creative. I've been saying for over a year that "active forum posting + sig link = bump" according to my sales stats. And posting on the forum doesn't cost me $40.
          Great advice for others who want to make money with good WSO's.

          And good for you for caring about your customers and having an ethical business philosophy.
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  • Profile picture of the author TopKat22
    There is indeed something wrong with a WSO that does NOT deliver what is promised in the sales copy when people DO take action.

    Of course, action is to be taken andthe seller saying well, I'll just issue you a refund immediately.

    No, how about just delivering what you promised.

    As I said, there are WSO's that promise and deliver on those promises or even over deliver.

    It is the ones that don't deliver what they are promising that this is about.
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  • Profile picture of the author TopKat22
    You are assuming that people AREN'T working and blaming the customer again.

    This is not about the customer. Of course the person needs to do something, whatever the product tells them to do.

    However, when one has done that, and then the program, software, training, whatever does not deliver what is promised, it is the WSO that misrepresented their product, nothing else.

    In offline businesses, this is under the legal heading of "truth in advertising".
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    • Profile picture of the author J Bold
      Originally Posted by TopKat22 View Post

      You are assuming that people AREN'T working and blaming the customer again.

      This is not about the customer. Of course the person needs to do something, whatever the product tells them to do.

      However, when one has done that, and then the program, software, training, whatever does not deliver what is promised, it is the WSO that misrepresented their product, nothing else.

      In offline businesses, this is under the legal heading of "truth in advertising".
      Not just offline business, online business too. It's really all the same and you have to play by the same rules. In fact, rules for online business sales practices are even stricter than offline. Whether online, or offline, enforcement is the issue as the government just does not have the man power.

      On the contrary, I think it has A LOT to do with the customer. I will blame customers as I have been and daily continue to be in the customer's shoes being sucked in by such headlines myself. I repeat, I am not excusing a blatantly false headline, but if more people took responsibility for their actions they'd realize you just can't get instant money for doing nothing.

      I repeat, no WSO can deliver on it's promise to make you money. The customer has do deliver on this promise in their own actions. I am not assuming that people aren't working, but no system is going to work the exact same for two different people. If buyer's would realize this, they would go in to any IM money-making purchase knowing it's like a partnership, a 50/50 deal where 50 percent is what they learn and 50 percent is what they do. That's just the facts.

      I think a lot of buyers and sellers alike on this forum just need to grow up.
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      • Profile picture of the author TopKat22
        Originally Posted by redicelander View Post

        Not just offline business, online business too. It's really all the same and you have to play by the same rules. In fact, rules for online business sales practices are even stricter than offline. Whether online, or offline, enforcement is the issue as the government just does not have the man power.

        On the contrary, I think it has A LOT to do with the customer. I will blame customers as I have been and daily continue to be in the customer's shoes being sucked in by such headlines myself. I repeat, I am not excusing a blatantly false headline, but if more people took responsibility for their actions they'd realize you just can't get instant money for doing nothing.

        I repeat, no WSO can deliver on it's promise to make you money. The customer has do deliver on this promise in their own actions. I am not assuming that people aren't working, but no system is going to work the exact same for two different people. If buyer's would realize this, they would go in to any IM money-making purchase knowing it's like a partnership, a 50/50 deal where 50 percent is what they learn and 50 percent is what they do. That's just the facts.

        I think a lot of buyers and sellers alike on this forum just need to grow up.
        ok, I get you.

        So based on the above, all buyers of WSO's be adviced:

        "no WSO can deliver on it's promise to make you money".

        That being the case as stated above, it would be a prudent business decision to stop buying ALL WSO's.

        Since the ONLY reason anyone in their right mind would EVER buy a WSO would be to make money.



        Just kidding.

        As I've said before, and agree with, it takes action by the buyer.

        The point here is if the guy say, buy this and do this and if you do it, this will happen and you buy it and do it and what was promised to happen didn't, then it was a false promise....pure and simple.

        It's like the Heaven and Hell story above.....
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        • Profile picture of the author tryinhere
          Originally Posted by TopKat22 View Post

          Since the ONLY reason anyone in their right mind would EVER buy a WSO would be to make money.
          .....
          And that would half the bull crap right there in a way, so many people all you ever hear is money, make money, show me the money, how can i make money, money for jam.

          Yet hardly anyone steps back and says what skills do i need to aquire to further improve my ability to make money ?

          The ebook says i can make money but before that it says I have to do this and that ? what me work or improve ? no way i just want the money part.

          Maybe if people looked at a e book as a way to improve skills or knowledge and not put the money first, then in its application they may indeed earn some more money as a result of increased knowledge and ability.

          bloody cowboys
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          • Profile picture of the author David Keith
            Originally Posted by tryinhere View Post

            And that would half the bull crap right there in a way, so many people all you ever hear is money, make money, show me the money, how can i make money, money for jam.

            Yet hardly anyone steps back and says what skills do i need to aquire to further improve my ability to make money ?

            The ebook says i can make money but before that it says I have to do this and that ? what me work or improve ? no way i just want the money part.

            Maybe if people looked at a e book as a way to improve skills or knowledge and not put the money first, then in its application they may indeed earn some more money as a result of increased knowledge and ability.

            bloody cowboys
            you sound like one of those old coots sal64 was just talking about.

            in truth, i am a young guy, but i have been doing this IM thing longer than most of the old guys around here, and i totally agree with what you are saying.

            i think the biggest thing these newbies and longtime IM students need to learn is "why money actually changes hands"

            i dont think most of them actually understand what factors go into a person actually doing something that warrants being compensated for.

            most of them are looking to exploit some loophole... not add value.
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  • Profile picture of the author Terry Hatfield
    I really don't see what all the fuss is about.

    If a WSO makes a deceptive claim and you think it is total JUNK then refund it. That is what I do.
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    • Profile picture of the author TopKat22
      Originally Posted by Terry Hatfield View Post

      I really don't see what all the fuss is about.

      If a WSO makes a deceptive claim and you think it is total JUNK then refund it. That is what I do.
      To many claims for refunds with paypal will get your account shut down.

      Just saying......
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  • Profile picture of the author TopKat22
    There is another WSO advertising the moon and it has nothing to do with the customer taking any action.

    The WSO itself says, "we will do it all for you". Basically, you pay them and give them your url and they WILL get you GUARANTEED page one of Google in 2 weeks.

    A few week go by, people say I didn't get on page one.

    Well, the response goes, it will take a bit longer. OK fair enough

    BUT

    CHANGE YOUR SALES COPY - now that you know you can't do it in 2 weeks.

    Or close the WSO until you get caught up so that you can deliver what is promised.

    But that isn't all....not only is it taking longer, but people are reporting that their ranking actually WENT DOWN not up after buying the service.

    I'm just saying-----just deliver what you promise.

    If it is going to take certain actions or upgrades for the client to get the results, disclose it in the sales copy (even if as a postscript.)
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  • Profile picture of the author Arthur Barn
    Titles can be deceiving. For me, i don't rely on the title. I see to it that the product itself is legit as well as the seller. I remember i bought a product telling "It is 50% off" but in the end there are hidden fees.
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  • Profile picture of the author DailyHealthBlitz
    Take action?
    I've been so busy buying WSOs I don't have time to take action! :p
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    • Profile picture of the author TopKat22
      Originally Posted by Arthur Barn View Post

      Titles can be deceiving. For me, i don't rely on the title. I see to it that the product itself is legit as well as the seller. I remember i bought a product telling "It is 50% off" but in the end there are hidden fees.
      yes, you need to do your own due diligence. I think the best way to do that is wait a while and see what the reports of buyers are.

      Originally Posted by JamieSEO View Post

      Too many victims of the HypeMonster!
      Yep, the hype monster definitely gets them.

      Originally Posted by DailyHealthBlitz View Post

      Take action?
      I've been so busy buying WSOs I don't have time to take action! :p
      LOL This really made me laugh. Almost as much when I first started noticing this stuff in the first place.

      Thanks a lot for the little break in the middle of my work day.
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    • Profile picture of the author JamieSEO
      Originally Posted by DailyHealthBlitz View Post

      Take action?
      I've been so busy buying WSOs I don't have time to take action! :p
      That gave me a much needed laugh
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  • Profile picture of the author momfriend
    I agree with you. what about the ones that say custom website for sale, we build everything, just sit back and wait, then you sign up, buy it and its a download. now that is not being upfront.
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  • Profile picture of the author George Wright
    The point was made above that Instant Cash has different meanings to different people.

    I've spent most of my life working for instant cash, by my definition.

    The thing that always defined instant cash for me was getting paid before I did a job or immediately upon completion of the job as opposed to going to work for a Company, waiting one month for my first payday and then getting paid once a month after that.

    So here is what "instant cash" meant for me...

    I was a carpet cleaner, I would load my truck, go to the supply house and buy chemicals, drive to the home or business that contracted my services, worked very very hard all day, make out a bill and present it to the person who paid the bills, waited for him/her to get my cash or check.... Bam, instant cash.

    One more...

    I was an Ice Cream Truck Driver. I'd get up early in the morning, drive to the wholesale Ice Cream Warehouse, Shop, Pay, Load my truck, Drive to the neighborhood where the most kids lived, turn on my music, drive slowly up and down the street, stopping for Parents and Kids who would flag me down, pull over to the side, get up and take orders, open the freezer and deliver the goods, collect the money, Bam Instant cash.

    So you see, Instant Cash takes a lot of work.

    I've had many WSOs a couple on this forum and many on past versions of this forum where I basically promised "Instant Cash" by my definition, (do the work and sell the product and get instant payments through PayPal or money handed to you in person) I too got 2 or 3 refund requests from people saying, "It's just too much work."

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    • Profile picture of the author sal64
      Nice perspective George... as always. It does come down to expectations and perspective.

      Were you really a carpet cleaner, because I was and I know the pain.

      Anyway, the issue mainly comes down to what people want and it seems that many want it now and effortlessly.

      I still maintain that part of the reason is that they are sold a lie to start with. Others will disagree. That IM is easy, affordable etc.

      Now, I suspect that this myth attracts what I call your typical biz opp seeker... looking for the one thing that will hit pay dirt.

      I say this from experience selling from the stage.

      Firstly, fast - easy money always outsells something that requires hard work. I have seen this first hand. People want to believe that there is an easier alternative to their mundane 9-5 existence... and they will tell themselves anything to justify their logic.

      Secondly, people at seminars have maxed out cards and even taken personal loans at the event in order to buy into some crazy stuff.

      I had a look at one WSO. One guy was asking for any proof of income from people who bought it. The fan club circled and hit him with the usual garbage about him being weak and waiting for others to justify his decision - not an action taker - all the usual criticism.

      So I defended his right to seek proof. One cheer leader abused me to no end.

      My point is that is people want to believe, they will go to extremes to justify what they are doing... even defending their decision when they are yet to make money.

      So until this basic animal instinct is eliminated, the cycle repeats itself with new buyers and new sellers.

      On a final note, I received a great bit of advice when it comes to judging WSO's that promise the world...

      Take a look at who's leaving the feedback. Is it established Warriors or relative newbies? The only exception to this rule is when you are buying content.


      Sal


      Originally Posted by George Wright View Post

      The point was made above that Instant Cash has different meanings to different people.

      I've spent most of my life working for instant cash, by my definition.

      The thing that always defined instant cash for me was getting paid before I did a job or immediately upon completion of the job as opposed to going to work for a Company, waiting one month for my first payday and then getting paid once a month after that.

      So here is what "instant cash" meant for me...

      I was a carpet cleaner, I would load my truck, go to the supply house and buy chemicals, drive to the home or business that contracted my services, worked very very hard all day, make out a bill and present it to the person who paid the bills, waited for him/her to get my cash or check.... Bam, instant cash.

      One more...

      I was an Ice Cream Truck Driver. I'd get up early in the morning, drive to the wholesale Ice Cream Warehouse, Shop, Pay, Load my truck, Drive to the neighborhood where the most kids lived, turn on my music, drive slowly up and down the street, stopping for Parents and Kids who would flag me down, pull over to the side, get up and take orders, open the freezer and deliver the goods, collect the money, Bam Instant cash.

      So you see, Instant Cash takes a lot of work.

      I've had many WSOs a couple on this forum and many on past versions of this forum where I basically promised "Instant Cash" by my definition, (do the work and sell the product and get instant payments through PayPal or money handed to you in person) I too got 2 or 3 refund requests from people saying, "It's just too much work."

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      • Profile picture of the author George Wright
        Originally Posted by sal64 View Post

        Nice perspective George... as always. It does come down to expectations and perspective.

        Were you really a carpet cleaner, because I was and I know the pain.

        Sal
        Hi Sal,

        Yes I cleaned carpets for 20 years a more or less. In fact one of my WSOs was about my transition from carpet cleaning to offline marketing. Before OfflineGold there was "How To Pull Money Out Of Thin Air."

        I really was an Ice Cream Truck Owner/Operator too. Makes me want a Bomb Pop thinking about it.


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  • Profile picture of the author GSMarketing
    TopKat, i think it's simple. The oversell and BS copy appeals to the dreamers out there and not the hard workers and lord knows there are plenty more of them in the world. I know saying 'Instant Cash' is clearly going to sell easier and quicker than saying 'Some Cash if you work really hard and educate yourself and then reapply the methods to generate significant amounts of cash.'

    A lot of people in the IM world are looking for super quick fixes and therefore buy into the poor products that offer the world.

    I personally can't see how people actually create these products though knowing they don't deliver what they say they will. I have a HUGE sub conscience and couldn't live with myself knowing I was selling a 'lie'. In my eyes it's just a method of stealing and this is not country dependent.

    Anyway, I'm off to go buy another WSO offering the world, i'm a sucker for them
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