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i dont see any problem with people who have knowledge about a subject teaching others who dont know as much in exchange for money.

that is done in just about every facet of our modern world. do you somehow disagree with this model.

should everyone tell everyone else everything they know about all subjects for free?...would you?

I don't totally agree with you. I think you'd be surprised how few IM guru's are "making money beyond most's wildest dreams" - even if they claim they they are. Sure you see screenshots of $1000's of dollars going into their accounts (Paypal/Clickbank etc) BUT that's NOT PROFIT - it's revenue. Sure if I had $100k to spend on PPC I'm sure I could generate a lot of revenue in a week or 2. However it's unlikely I'd make a profit

I have emailed a few (from their contact pages) to find out the actual profitability of these offerings and not 1 has responded. I'm not surprised.

Now before everyone goes nutz and slams me - I'm pretty much talking about the 'push button' make $100k a month offerings (and a few mega releases from some of the well known 'gurus').

Here on the WF and in the WSO section there are a lot of genuine IM'ers sharing their methods. The majority of them actually DO practice what they preach and make good money outside of the IM niche too. I have no problem with them making a few bucks off me for good material. And I do the same. I've been in IM for 6 years and made a LOT of mistakes and learned a lot too.

I don't make much off my my WSO's and I try to give way more value than the cost. I'm not making HUGE money online, but I do OK, so I'm happy to share what works for me and help others take the next step up the ladder.

I can see where you are coming from Zmorris but I think its fair to say that Successful Internet Marketers who target the 'business opportunity' market make money by teaching and coaching 'Newbies' how to market online. And yes a lot of money can be made from 1-2-1 coaching and workshops.

Getting paid to teach, train and coach someone is not a bad thing and people who are prepared to pay for someone to teach them shows that they are serious and committed to becoming a student of theirs. A good teacher will make sure his/her students succeed and not give up.

If the good internet marketers still provide better and effective stuffs to those bad marketers like me too,then I dont see any problem.Example would be Chris Farrell-a good internet marketer provide better information to help you successful in internet marketing and you will found many positive reviews about his program.

zmorris,

Personally, I entered this arena with the same mindset, and too a degree... I think the original question expresses (or should express) your concern for learning proper methods from those whom may actually possess true knowledge. At least, that's how I saw the opportunity in the IM business... and still do.

There are several teachers here that deserve great respect. Others, are purely full of sh*t preying on the unsuspecting with no real knowledge, testing, or experience to back it up. Which in time, I believe is almost always revealed... some are exposed as 'fakes' quicker than others.

However, I have recently began to look at another angle, not necessarily to IM specifically, but on a global scale of teaching business fundamentals. While I have zero success online to speak of from IM specifically... I do have nearly 20 years of small business experience offline, whereby, much of the same practices, principles, psychology, and philosophies apply.

Hence, just as there are some damn good coaches out there that may not have ever "played the game" so to speak, they did naturally possess a gift to encourage, inspire, and motivate students/players to achieve success respectively.

As with any real leader, true teachers or coaches prioritize the success of the student/players, over their own success IMHO. More importantly, they formulate recipes, theories, game plans, blueprints, etc... that are executable based on facts, prior experiences, or parallel the accumulation of experience, by way of informed decision making & proper planning.

Basing my example on those who bring/brought out the best in people, such as; Napoleon Hill, Dale Carnegie, Tony Robbins, Zig Ziglar, etc... and those who specialize in 'triggering' others to overcome fear, and prevail against all odds... those are the teachers that inspire me, and is measurable by their ability to succeed by succeeding others first!

If you look a bit deeper into the success rate of IM'ers as a whole, less than 10% will sustain a suitable living, and even less than that will truly succeed any financial freedom... such is so with any real business.

So I say; Yes, there are in all probability... too many trying to teach that which they do not know in IM business or anywhere for that matter in the sole pursuit of money.

I'd steer clear of such temptation personally, until you can package something that prioritizes a solution, inspires or maps out a reachable goal or success for others, or 'ultimately' delivers value and benefit to others in a manner that encourages them to do the same.

This applies to every niche... not just IM.

All the Best,

Art

As I heard Willie Crawford, The Godfather of Internet
Marketing, say on a webinar recently, a large part of
his empire (thousands of web sites) is outside of the
IM category.

But just as there are students who turn into teachers,
the same applies on the Warrior Forum. Some of them
genuinely enjoy teaching while others have realized
they have a large audience here that need and want
products & services.

As the old saying goes, "if you can't beat em', join em'"

Dallas...

You're speaking of the IM niche. It is a big niche and "dirty" niche.

How about 1000's of other niches such as weight loss, health, fitness etc. Those niches sell stuff to internet newcomers who don't know a lot about whole IM and are there just to find a way to solve their problem.

There are the awesome conversions and big earnings.

Warrior is the place of both Internet Marketing Gurus and newbies. Gurus definitely earn much more by internet marketing like various senior hyperactive warrior member and newbies learn how they earn by this.

I see many newbies now earn online by this Warrior Forum.
You may also if willing.

This is completely incorrect, most good marketers (those making money beyond most's wildest dreams) market to hungry markets, whether it's hair loss, weight loss, eye lash lengthening, muscle gain, hemorrhoid cures, get your ex back, save your marriage, get pregnant, scrap booking, astronomy, self-help, ect...

the main reason for this is people in these niches usually are repeat buyers and are looking for answers.

Not only that but they usually don't know the "marketing tricks" that internet marketers use like opting in to a list to download.

most anyone that has been looking in internet marketing knows that if I optin I'm getting more ads to my inbox, where as someone looking to save his marriage thinks "OK, once I submit my email I get my product."

and there are usually less refunds because they aren't as savvy on the buy and refund like most desperate IMer's

Umm... duh? This is a Internet Marketing forum.

No, not at all

This whole site is filled with highly targeted prospects (but usually looking for cheap products to buy). Just like if this were a weight loss forum most marketers (at least good ones) would market... well weight loss products. That's just marketing 101.

Yes, I market to highly targeted prospects just like any good marketing professional should.